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Title: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (00:57:06/07-13-16)
We've talked a lot about the state of errata for Shadowrun. It's become something of a sore subject for a lot of us, so much so that fights have erupted, people have quit the game, and any number of unpleasant incidents have occurred. It's a fraught subject.

One question that gets asked a lot is, "Why doesn't Shadowrun do errata the way that BattleTech does?" Well, as of earlier today, we do. I've been talking with the Powers That Be at Catalyst Game Labs, and I gave them a plan, and we're now in the very beginning phases of implementing that plan. My name's Patrick Goodman. I'm a freelance writer, and as of a few hours ago, I'm also the Shadowrun Errata Coordinator.

I'm in the process now of putting together a team of rules-knowledgeable people to help me. Most of the people I've asked have already said yes, though I'm still waiting to hear from a couple of folks. Once the team composition is nailed down, I'll introduce them, but it consists of freelancers, Catalyst Demo Team agents, and a few of you. I've invited a few of our harshest critics onto the team, to keep us honest. If any of the team members wants to step up and introduce themselves, however, they're more than free to do so.

As the next few weeks and months unfold, here's what's going to happen: We're going to go book by book and look over all the outstanding errata issues. We're going to discuss them, issue by issue, and reach a decision on how best to fix them. We'll consult with the author of the section to determine intent. We'll talk it out amongst ourselves, bring in consultants as needed, and once we reach a conclusion, we'll post the answer to the forum. At that point, it's what I call "provisionally official;" it's official, but subject to change in case we messed something up and it needs to be tweaked. Once things have been road-tested here on the forums, and the issues in a book have been addressed, I'll compile them all and get an official errata doc for that book up on the website.

Then we'll move on to the next book. And so on, and so forth. This is not a quick fix; while we'll be able to start getting some things answered in very short order, there are quite a few books that need to be worked on. This is a long-term project, and I'll ask you to be patient as we get things rolling and fine-tune the process.

There are some back-end things that need to get done first, and all my recruits need to tell me yea or nay, so we probably won't get started until next week. In the meantime, as things develop, I'll let you know here.

Patrick Goodman
Shadowrun Errata Coordinator.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Jack_Spade on (01:08:24/07-13-16)
I applaud you for taking up that mantle and the courage to admit it  :)

Best of luck, and don't hesitate to ask for help in the forum - I am certain most people who complained will be happy to identify and also cross reference existing issues for you and your team.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Dinendae on (01:13:14/07-13-16)
Ok, that is awesome news! Thank you very much for getting this finally implemented (or at least getting the ball rolling in this direction)! I do have a question: Since there's been many errata threads (one for each book) with suggestions for changes from the people posting in the forums, will the team be looking at (and possibly considering using) these suggested fixes? Actually that gives me a follow up question: Will there be a thread or other means for players to suggest to the group fixes or changes?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Prime Mover on (01:14:05/07-13-16)
Kudos to you and looking forward to the process and the results.  Been really digging into some of changes from 5th the last couple of weeks. 
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Mirikon on (01:41:57/07-13-16)
Good to see that something like this is finally happening.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Medicineman on (01:48:53/07-13-16)
Kudos too
( I just spread the News in 3 German Forums :) )

with a longsleeved Dance
Medicineman
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Shadowjack on (02:14:14/07-13-16)
Amazing, thank you for taking the initiative and leading the charge.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Imladir on (02:21:05/07-13-16)
Great news!
Even if it doesn't come tomorrow, it's still nice to know that something is done.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Quatar on (05:16:08/07-13-16)
This is amazing news! Thank you for doing this Patrick!

If I may make a suggestion though? You mentioned going book by book, most likely starting with the CRB and then going in order of release.
You have quite a few years of catching up to do however, so it will be a long time till you'll reach the recent books, and by then new stuff will have been released. I'm not quite sure how BattleTech does it, but I guess they don't start 3 or 4 years after the initial book release :)

So maybe something like this would be better:
Go through every book (well not every, just the major Core Books), and grab maybe 2-5 of most contested issues. Not necessarily the "worst bugs" out there, but those where people simply can't agree on anything (those usually tend to be major things anyway). There should be plenty of discussion about those here, so it shouldn't be too hard to find suitable candidates.

Then see if you can come up for fixes for them.
Not just quick and dirty fixes, to have something out, but actual fixes, that you think will pass the test of time too, using that same process you talked about. It will take some time of course.
Release them in the "provisionally official" format, here on the forum for people to playtest them. See if your solution holds up, etc.

In that time you can then go book by book. Of course, revisit those issues again, see how the playtest was doing, and either rework them or include them in the official errata document.

Anyway, I have no idea if that's actually a workable solution, or if it is in fact a lot easier to just go book by book. I just feel this way you'd be able to grapple some of the major issues people have with SR5 in a relatively short timespan, while then going back and fixing the rest.

Either way, I wish you and your team the best of luck. And if you ever need someone to come up with stupid ideas, like the one above, let me know :)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Wakshaani on (06:37:44/07-13-16)
*puts hat over heart*

Godspeed, my brother.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (06:54:44/07-13-16)
*puts hat over heart*

Godspeed, my brother.
Well that doesn't sound ominous at all ;)

I'd just like to echo what's been said and say thanks for taking charge, Patrick. Good on ya!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Beta on (08:18:13/07-13-16)
Great news!  Best of luck and best wishes on getting the team you want to all say yes.  And I hope that all  of us cheering from the sidelines will help with dealing with the inevitable slings and arrows that come from being the visible point person on anything that anyone doesn't like.  A lot of us will be pulling for you!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Wakshaani on (08:44:43/07-13-16)
*puts hat over heart*

Godspeed, my brother.
Well that doesn't sound ominous at all ;)

I'd just like to echo what's been said and say thanks for taking charge, Patrick. Good on ya!

I know firsthand what it's like to gather up this stuff after a book drops. He's going above and beyond what I was doing and I wish him all the best. (And will be helping out here or there, but not part of the actual team. I'm a data-vacuum by nature and I organize well, but I have a bad habit of rules vagueness that I need to work on.)

Patrick runs a tight ship and I expect he'll knock the Hell out of this. Nothing but respect, yo.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Bull on (08:56:01/07-13-16)
Good luck Patrick.  Holler if you need help.

I tackled some FAQ/Errata stuff for Missions for a couple years, so I know what a colossal chore it is.  And I was cherry picking pretty carefully to only deal with stuff that either had to be fixed, or was Missions specific.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Tym Jalynsfein on (09:38:33/07-13-16)
Awesome Patrick... Good Luck.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (09:41:20/07-13-16)
Well Patrick,

All I can say is.... "I wish you the best, and have confidence in you and your team."

Its very true that we have needed updated errata for a while now, and I am glad that you have stepped up to lead a team to provide that errata.

And, I am also a realist :P  I know we won't see much of anything for a couple of weeks to months as just organizing what exactly has to be errata'd will be a huge job....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Dinendae on (10:45:27/07-13-16)

And, I am also a realist :P  I know we won't see much of anything for a couple of weeks to months as just organizing what exactly has to be errata'd will be a huge job....


I'm guessing it'll be a few weeks to a month or two to get the team together, get the processes in place, and then start sifting through a rather large amount of material. I think it'll probably be in the fourth quarter of this year before they start getting the errata out; there's so much to go over in the CRB itself, and that needs to be referenced with the various writers, as well as checked against any changes in later supplements (Matrix, I'm looking at you), and conversing with those writers as well. It's going to be a huge undertaking at first, until the processes get streamlined, and that's going to take awhile.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: adzling on (11:06:02/07-13-16)
I can't say how stoked I am that Catalyst is taking this step and that Patrick is leading it.

Let's get this game knocked into shape the way Battletech is!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: AJCarrington on (11:16:04/07-13-16)
Echoing the comments of others, I'm really excited to see where this leads. Happy to help out in any form/fashion needed...sent you a PM.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: PiXeL01 on (11:55:24/07-13-16)
This is interesting to say the least and should give people like me a little hope for the future of the setting.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Fizzygoo on (12:06:04/07-13-16)
"Why doesn't Shadowrun do errata the way that BattleTech does?" Well, as of earlier today, we do. I've been talking with the Powers That Be at Catalyst Game Labs, and I gave them a plan, and we're now in the very beginning phases of implementing that plan. My name's Patrick Goodman. I'm a freelance writer, and as of a few hours ago, I'm also the Shadowrun Errata Coordinator.

I'm in the process now of putting together a team of rules-knowledgeable people to help me. Most of the people I've asked have already said yes, though I'm still waiting to hear from a couple of folks. Once the team composition is nailed down, I'll introduce them, but it consists of freelancers, Catalyst Demo Team agents, and a few of you. I've invited a few of our harshest critics onto the team, to keep us honest. If any of the team members wants to step up and introduce themselves, however, they're more than free to do so.

As the next few weeks and months unfold, here's what's going to happen: We're going to go book by book and look over all the outstanding errata issues. We're going to discuss them, issue by issue, and reach a decision on how best to fix them. We'll consult with the author of the section to determine intent. We'll talk it out amongst ourselves, bring in consultants as needed, and once we reach a conclusion, we'll post the answer to the forum. At that point, it's what I call "provisionally official;" it's official, but subject to change in case we messed something up and it needs to be tweaked. Once things have been road-tested here on the forums, and the issues in a book have been addressed, I'll compile them all and get an official errata doc for that book up on the website.

Then we'll move on to the next book. And so on, and so forth. This is not a quick fix; while we'll be able to start getting some things answered in very short order, there are quite a few books that need to be worked on. This is a long-term project, and I'll ask you to be patient as we get things rolling and fine-tune the process.

Patrick Goodman
Shadowrun Errata Coordinator.

This makes me happy.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: celondon on (12:07:11/07-13-16)
Congratulations on the new title and responsibilities. You've got your work cut out for you!

I, for one, am extremely pleased that you have this task. For several years, I've seen you post and work with the SR community to try and make sense out of the state of the game. If you're given proper time and resources, I've no doubt  that you can make excellent progress in improving the state of the game.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: El Diablo on (12:21:58/07-13-16)
I wish you the best.

Just curious, any particular order for the erratas?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Bamce on (12:24:18/07-13-16)
Hello Boys.

I am super excited for the potential this project represents. I would formally like to volunteer as tribute in helping. While I do not visit these boards often, I am a regular over on the shadowrun subreddit.

As for a few quick qualifications over the passion I have for the game.

I run a small gm oriented youtube page https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDRfgjt0eJddvOvmIOLx9w (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDRfgjt0eJddvOvmIOLx9w)
I am a founding member over on the runner hub subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/RunnerHub/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RunnerHub/)
I am the lead of their character creation division
I am part of the rules discussion team that helped put together extensive house rulings to adapt for our circumstances.

Hope to hear back.

Gmbamce@gmail.com
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Adamo1618 on (12:34:45/07-13-16)
Thank you. This is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Marzhin on (12:50:02/07-13-16)
I'm one of those GM that use only 10% of the rules in my games, so I was never bothered by the lack of errata. But I know and understand that a lot of players like their rules clear, and that a clean system is important for the long-term health of any game. So I applaud the decision and the courageous step you've taken to make this battle yours.

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Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Tsuzua on (13:29:28/07-13-16)
This is great news and I look forward to future announcements!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: celondon on (13:56:51/07-13-16)
Hello Boys.

I am super excited for the potential this project represents. I would formally like to volunteer as tribute in helping. While I do not visit these boards often, I am a regular over on the shadowrun subreddit.

As for a few quick qualifications over the passion I have for the game.

I run a small gm oriented youtube page https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDRfgjt0eJddvOvmIOLx9w (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDRfgjt0eJddvOvmIOLx9w)
I am a founding member over on the runner hub subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/RunnerHub/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RunnerHub/)
I am the lead of their character creation division
I am part of the rules discussion team that helped put together extensive house rulings to adapt for our circumstances.

Hope to hear back.

Gmbamce@gmail.com

While I don't agree with Bamce on everything (see: Archery) I can vouch for his knowledge of the rules and his experience at trying to hash out some of the more intractable issues present in Shadowrun's systems. If you're accepting volunteers, you won't find many better suited to the task.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Tecumseh on (14:01:42/07-13-16)
Can we call this The Horizon Project? We'll call the team The Consensus. Patrick can be Gary Cline.

I understand that community resourcing can get out of hand quickly, but I think you'll find nothing but support here. If there are some aspects which require a brute force approach - setting up a wiki or a shared document to catalog potential issues by book and page, for example - then I'm sure the various fan communities would be eager to contribute.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Magnaric on (14:16:55/07-13-16)
Wow. Massive kudos to you for taking this on dude. Obviously the community has been wanting this for a while, but props to you for taking on the responsibility. Good luck omae.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firesshadow42 on (14:58:48/07-13-16)
First I'll echo what others have said! Thanks for taking on this burden and starting this journey with a handpicked team of specialists chummer, I think this is one of the single biggest things the community wants and needs in terms of this amazing game.

That said a curious thought that I suspect is too big to answer right now, but could this errata work include something like a master index and/or reprints (reissues in the case of PDFs) of some of the books with errata included, maybe at least the CRB ala 20th anniversary? I know that's more a question for CGL than most here, but I think it's something worth considering and keeping in mind as the journey moves on! I would gladly at least buy a CRB with such things in it!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: cchopps on (14:59:15/07-13-16)
This is incredible news!

It isn't just about the Errata that will come, but on the process that Catalyst has agreed to. If this works out well, hopefully other RPG companies will do something similar. I participate (or stealth read) a few different RPG forums and lack of or poor errata is very common in this industry. Would be great to see Shadowrun leading the way in turning this around.

Good luck, team!!!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: DragginSPADE on (16:20:17/07-13-16)
I'd like to echo what many others have said:  Thank you very much for taking this on. 

Shadowrun has been my favorite RPG for many years and it's been painful to see many of the issues 5th has had.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Hobbes on (16:29:11/07-13-16)
Good luck, this is a massive undertaking if you're going to try and "do it right".  Very impressive for a Freelancer to step and do this for essentially the love of the game.  We all thank you and wish you the best of luck.

Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Beta on (17:02:48/07-13-16)
This is incredible news!

It isn't just about the Errata that will come, but on the process that Catalyst has agreed to. If this works out well, hopefully other RPG companies will do something similar. I participate (or stealth read) a few different RPG forums and lack of or poor errata is very common in this industry. Would be great to see Shadowrun leading the way in turning this around.

Good luck, team!!!

I'd just come back to this thread to post something similar -- wanted to extend thanks to Catalyst for making this possible, too.  It takes hard work and a thick skin to do such a task, but you also need someone to open the opportunity.  Glad to see Catalyst agree to this brave proposal -- and after all the flak that gets thrown their way on these boards, it is important to also acknowledge when they get things right, IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Linkdeath on (17:05:38/07-13-16)
Patrick, you have my condolen...congratulations. It's a deep, complex task, and I don't envy you for it, but I'll appreciate the hell out of you for it. Especially as I continue running games!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: tequila on (21:19:04/07-13-16)
That's great!  Congrats and good luck!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (22:17:34/07-13-16)
Thanks and good luck Mr Goodman!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Teknodragon on (11:31:36/07-14-16)
My hat's off to you and your team, Patrick.

I really appreciate this.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Raven2049 on (17:12:38/07-14-16)
Good luck, and happy Errata-ing!

looking forward to seeing what you come up with. And super pumped that this will be official. If you need help im willing!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:24:20/07-15-16)
I do have a question: Since there's been many errata threads (one for each book) with suggestions for changes from the people posting in the forums, will the team be looking at (and possibly considering using) these suggested fixes?
Absolutely. I'd be a dozen kinds of fool to ignore them, and last I checked I was only at five or six different kinds, so....

The plan includes going over the Missions FAQ and squaring as much with that as we can. Some of the things in the FAQ are Missions specific, but I have Ray Rigel (the man who oversees the Missions FAQ) at my side to help all of us separate the things that need to be Missions specific from the things that don't.

I've already spoken with Jason about getting the material that was sent to both the French and German licensees sent to me as well, so that we can do our best to make things as consistent as possible on both sides of the Atlantic.
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Will there be a thread or other means for players to suggest to the group fixes or changes?
This forum right here, actually, will be the place to bring it up. We, and especially I, will be watching this forum closely as we move forward. We'll be talking about how this can best be handled probably some time after GenCon, since half the team is going to be there without me and will be up to their eyeballs in running games and socializing and chasing Charizards and stuff like that.

I'll post more on how you guys can help out later, as we get things hammered out.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Nightmare on (17:05:22/07-15-16)
Don't forget to ask the management at Catalyst for some of the material corrections sent in by some of the freelancers and such too.  I know there is at least errata/corrections for the Seattle Sprawl box set sent to them (thanks Wakshaani, for that).  Will help your group get that one done faster, at least.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:07:51/07-16-16)
If I may make a suggestion though? You mentioned going book by book, most likely starting with the CRB and then going in order of release.
You have quite a few years of catching up to do however, so it will be a long time till you'll reach the recent books, and by then new stuff will have been released.
The bigger the windmill, the easier it is to tilt at....

The plan at this point, yes, is to hit Core and Run Faster at the same time, since those are the two biggies for character generation. Then, yes, hit the splats in order of release, and then move on to other stuff.

No plan survives contact with the enemy, however, and I'm already seeing that we're probably going to be doing a lot of parallel processing. One of our guides is going to be the Missions FAQ, and it's got a lot of stuff in it. As we address it, there's going to be overlap with other books, so even at the outset things are going to be scattered about a bit.

We're not really going to be able to get started until after GenCon anyway, and that's in a couple weeks, so it'll probably be the middle of August before we really get going. And by then, the plan might change yet again.
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I'm not quite sure how BattleTech does it, but I guess they don't start 3 or 4 years after the initial book release :)
Pretty sure you're right, but I'm not sure how their current system actually got started. It could have been as a result of similar circumstances. I didn't ask; didn't seem pertinent why it got started the way it is, as long as it's a process that works and can be easily emulated.

Basically, they take rules questions from the forums. In their own little Fortress of Solitude, they have a team of knowledgeable guys look over the rules question, and figure out how to fix it. They talk to the guy who wrote it, when possible, to determine intent. Then they fix it. Then they publish the fix. Then they move on to the next one.

Emulating that, what I've outlined (and what may, like the order of things addressed, change drastically once we get into a groove with this) is this:

1. Identify problem.
2. Argue about problem.
3. Fix problem.
4. Publish fix for field testing.
5. Fix the fix later if necessary.
6. Repeat for next problem in the book.

Once a book is finished, it goes:

1. Gather all the field-tested fixes and put them into an errata document.
2. Get errata document laid out and looking pretty, since that's a big deal these days.
3. Post errata document.
4. Provide errata document and layout notes to Jason and Matt (the layout guy) to correct the PDF.
5. Post/update the PDF once corrections are made.
6. Breathe a sigh of relief when it's time for a reprint and corrections are already made.

All of this is, of course, subject to tweaking. As I said before, no plan survives contact with the enemy.

I hope that addressed some of your concerns.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Tarislar on (16:20:57/07-16-16)
1st off.   
Patrick ....   you rock!     
It's great to hear you are taking on this project.


The plan at this point, yes, is to hit Core and Run Faster at the same time, since those are the two biggies for character generation. Then, yes, hit the splats in order of release, and then move on to other stuff.

No plan survives contact with the enemy, however, and I'm already seeing that we're probably going to be doing a lot of parallel processing. One of our guides is going to be the Missions FAQ, and it's got a lot of stuff in it. As we address it, there's going to be overlap with other books, so even at the outset things are going to be scattered about a bit. 

2nd. 
Love that your grouping those 2 books first.
I was going to suggest the exact same thing.
Which is where my 2-cent suggestion comes in.
As your doing them in order of release, perhaps "group" a couple related books together by Topic/subject
Half of them reference each other anyway as they expanded from the 1st tier expansion book.

Example
Run & Gun + Other Combat = Gun Haven + Assassins Primer + Bullets & Bandages + Possibly Chrome Flesh
Street Grimoire + Other Magic = Shadow Spells + Aetherology

Not sure if its feasible but just seemed like a good option to cross reference rules & blend some of the "old & new" at the same time.
Stuff like Hard Target that hits on multiple levels could probably wait till the end after the "focused/specialized" books are worked on.


3rd
Patrick ....   you rock!      (Did I say that yet?)
I look forward to hearing great stuff.
Let me know if any assistance is needed, happy to help.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Wakshaani on (01:34:39/07-17-16)
It'll be neat. I have full confidence in Patrick's ability to get this up and running.

And I'm fully aware of how many time sthat he's gonna come after me with a bat.

Eep.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (01:51:56/07-17-16)
Look at this way Wak, now you have a reason to buy those new running shoes :D

Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Trillinon on (14:05:39/07-18-16)
Knowing that you're going to start with a particular book or two, it might make sense to start threads for each chapter (or cross-chapter topic, such as vehicles). In these we can post questions, suggestions, have more focused conversations, and generally collect all the related confusion in one place.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:32:19/07-22-16)
That said a curious thought that I suspect is too big to answer right now, but could this errata work include something like a master index and/or reprints (reissues in the case of PDFs) of some of the books with errata included, maybe at least the CRB ala 20th anniversary?
That's probably a little out of the scope of what we'd be able to do, at least at first, but I agree, a master index would be nice. We'll just have to see, but for right now? Gonna have to say no. That doesn't mean it'll never happen, but it's not something I'm going to commit to at this point, especially since I don't know if it would be in my power to do such a thing or not in the first place.

But it'll go onto my list of "Hey, while we're at it" projects, for sure. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (17:20:33/07-22-16)
Been meaning to get on and update things, but real life has been impinging on my time a great deal the last couple of days, and to be honest there hasn't been a lot to update. We're kind of in a holding pattern until after GenCon since TPTB and fully half of my team (maybe more) are going to be there, so we can't really get things going until everyone's home and has had a chance to decompress. Target start date is still mid-August.

Speaking of my team, I've asked and they all seem okay with being introduced publicly, so I thought I'd do that. I asked three Catalyst Demo Team agents, three freelance writers (including myself), and three outsiders/critics who seemed to know their stuff and with whom I thought I could work. The Agents are Ray Rigel, Bob Volbrecht, and Ron Rummell. The freelancers are myself, Rob Thomas, and Alexander Kadar. My outsiders are Adzling, MijRai, and PiXeL01.

Why stop there, Goodman? I hear some of you asking. Why didn't you invite other well-known Agents, writers, and outsiders? Where are Robert Loper and Aaron Pavao and Bamce and Malik Toms and Tim Patrick? Where are Robert Derie and Frank Trollman, if you're really going after outsiders with serious anger issues regarding SR?

Well, over the past few decades, I've learned that my managerial limit is about 8 people. More than that, I quickly find myself in the weeds. There are a lot of people I could have invited, who would likely be extraordinary; if I had more skill at dealing with and managing more people, I might have invited more. Some of those people above didn't have the time because of real-world commitments. Some of them I just don't like, or they just don't like me.  Some of them I don't know. Some of them, for various reasons, slipped my mind as I was working on putting things together (I have a three-month-old boy with Down syndrome, so sometimes things like names slip through the cracks).

I intended no slight, and I hope that nobody takes umbrage at not getting invited. I basically ran out of room really quickly; people were saying "Yes" faster than I could send out the messages asking if they wanted to join. That's not to say that I won't be consulting with Aaron or Malik, for instance, as we move ahead. They're smart, sharp guys and I've worked with them both, and feel like I can count on them to provide useful information when asked, and I'd be a damned fool not to seek their help on things as we move along.

But as Dirty Harry put it, a man's got to know his limitations, and I'm pretty well-acquainted with mine. So I stopped while I could, before I let myself get overwhelmed before the project even began. I hope nobody holds it against me.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (17:54:06/07-22-16)
That looks like a good list of people.

A diverse selection of writers and out spoken critics, hopefully you can get them focused on all the same issues and hammer out some solutions.

Personally, the timetable doesn't sound too bad, especially given this is Con season. Hopefully you'll have some written traction on some of the issues by mid October.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (17:57:01/07-22-16)
Again, best of luck you you and the "tram", Patrick :)

Definitely needed, so here's hoping you all can get it done.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (18:22:45/07-22-16)
Again, best of luck you you and the "tram", Patrick :)
I have no idea what you're talking about....
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Definitely needed, so here's hoping you all can get it done.
Thanks. And thanks to all the rest of you who've offered congratulations, encouragement, and condolences. I appreciate it, and I'm fairly sure the rest of the guys do, too.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: wraith on (05:46:48/07-28-16)
So, just out of curiosity, y'all getting paid for this?  As in is this at least officially freelance work for Catalyst, or is this a bunch of fans volunteering because the company has no interest in actually fixing their own mistakes?

Either way, it's badly needed, and I'll look forwards to what you come up with!    :D
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (10:54:45/07-28-16)
I'm going to be a little old-fashioned, and a bit blunt at the same time: Publicly discussing compensation is a little bit on the unprofessional side, generally speaking. Also generally speaking, it's not really any of your business.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (13:09:42/07-28-16)
Okay, that came across way blunter and dickier than I intended, Wraith, and I apologize for that. I had a kind of a rough night last night, and I was feeling a little snippy. Sorry if I came across like a jerk.

That said, I prefer not to talk about compensation. And THAT said, since I was kind of a dick about it...I'm a volunteer at the moment. I'm working on compensation for the team even as we speak.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: wraith on (13:40:30/07-28-16)
I could have been less blunt as well, my apologies there.  I was mostly just asking if this was more of an official project that was spurred by your offer, or if we're talking labor of love that got an official go-ahead.   :D
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:03:32/07-28-16)
Right now, the latter, though negotiations are ongoing; I'm going to be asking a lot of these guys.

To be fair, however, I think the BT guys are volunteers, as well.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (15:46:33/07-28-16)
Worth pointing out that talking about compensation isn't a big deal all over the world. In most of Europe, the UK excepted, talking about what you get paid for your job is quite commonplace.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:18:19/07-28-16)
Might just be an old-fashioned American thing, but I am distinctly uncomfortable talking about it.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (16:27:44/07-28-16)
What snacks/drinks you like, I could get some and try to find you at GenCon ;)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: wraith on (17:21:51/07-28-16)
If you're taking requests, I've been trying to get an answer to this one for years now. :)

Just a bit of clarification, is this the proper methodology?



Say you slap a quarter kilo of minimum rating (6) plastique in a directional shaped charge (45 degree arc to only blow into the room) onto an apartment door to blow it in.  Logic + Demolitions scores four successes. So our equation looks like this :

Rating + (Successes on Demolitions + Logic) x sqrt(number of kilograms of explosive)

[6 + 4] x sqrt(.25) = 10 x .5 = 5

So we've got a DV 5 explosion.

Quote from: SR5, Page 436
An explosive’s Damage Value is calculated
as its Rating (modified by the Demolitions Test,
if you made one) times the square root of the
number of kilograms used (rounded down). The
Blast value for a circular explosion is –2 per meter,
while the Blast value for a directional explosion
(up to 60 degrees in a specific direction)
is –1 per meter. When explosives are attached
directly to a target, the target’s armor is halved;
otherwise the explosive has an AP value of –2.
If an explosion destroys a barrier, it creates a
cloud of deadly shrapnel that threatens an area
far bigger than the actual blast—the shrapnel blast
has a DV equal to the explosive’s DV minus the
Structure rating of the barrier, with a Blast of –1/m.

Quote from: SR5, Page 197
If a character intends to destroy a barrier (or knock a hole
in it), resolve the attack normally. Since barriers can’t
dodge, the attack test is unopposed. The purpose of the
attack test is to generate extra hits to add to the Damage
Value. If a character got no hits, then only apply the base
Damage Value. The only way a character could “miss”
is if he got a critical glitch on the attack test, thus proving
themselves literally unable to hit the broad side of a
barn. A character may use Demolitions as the attack skill
if he has the proper materials and time to set charges.

Before rolling the barrier’s damage resistance test,
adjust the modified Damage Value to reflect the type of
attack, as noted on the Damaging Barriers Table.

Now then, onto what happens when it goes boom.

First, the barrier gets to roll a damage resistance test, with structure + armor.  Given this is a standard door, it has Structure 2 and Armor 4 per the chart on pg 197.  However, since this is an explosive placed up against the door, we're not done with the math and ready to roll yet.  Per the 'Damaging Barriers' chart on page 198, explosives in contact with the barrier get to use Base DV times two.  As this section quotes a completely different method of blowing up a door than the one under Demolitions :

We're going to assume the Base DV of this explosive is the one calculated above, despite it having the results of a demolitions + logic roll added in, as the rules on 197 state that the table's results adjust the modified DV.  So the next roll is as follows :

2 (structure) + 4 (armor) dice rolled vs 5 (base DV) x 2 (per damaging barriers chart)

So 6 dice vs DV 10.

Assuming an average roll on 6 dice, the barrier gets 4 successes.  This leaves 6 DV unsoaked, which is more than the 2 structure the door has, and thus the door has been damaged!

Per 'Damaging A Barrier', page 197-198,  The remaining 6 successes are divided by the door's structure to determine the extent of the damage. 1 square meter of hole is generated per multiple of the structure left over in DV.  Thus here, a 3 square meter hole would be generated.

We'll assume most apartments don't have a 3 square meter door.  Now back to page 436!

Quote
If an explosion destroys a barrier, it creates a
cloud of deadly shrapnel that threatens an area
far bigger than the actual blast—the shrapnel blast
has a DV equal to the explosive’s DV minus the
Structure rating of the barrier, with a Blast of –1/m.

The penetrating a barrier section on page 197-8 doesn't actually have any specifics at all as to how you actually destroy a barrier, only how to punch a hole in one.  In this case, I'm going to go with the assumption that if the hole is larger than the object, that object is destroyed.

This door has clearly been destroyed!

Therefore, anyone on the other side of this door needs to soak :

The 5 DV (AP-2) (Minus 1 DV per meter as this is a directional explosion) explosion/blast effect itself.

-AND-

The secondary shrapnel explosion, at :

5 (Explosion DV) - 2 (structure rating of the door) with a Blast of -1 per meter.

So the door is gone, and the guy standing behind it is soaking two hits, one at 5DV (AP-2) and one at 3 DV.

As this is a shaped explosion, the people on the outside of the door do not have to soak it as well. If this was a standard spherical explosion, they would have to soak 5 DV (AP-2) -2 per meter from the door.

I have intentionally assumed this apartment is big enough that we don't have to calculate the blast reflection as well.


Now we move on to the next combat turn, and hopefully success on the part of the runners storming the apartment.


You see the number of assumptions I had to make up there? This is why I'm asking if this is an errata point or rules as intended, because there are details missing and conflicting rules in these two sections that need clarification.  Also, there's a typo in the earlier part of that same rule on page 436. The rules for barriers are not on page 194 as quoted, they're on page 197.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Carmody on (03:05:06/07-29-16)
Worth pointing out that talking about compensation isn't a big deal all over the world. In most of Europe, the UK excepted, talking about what you get paid for your job is quite commonplace.

You can add France to the list of countries where people do not talk about how much they make (except to state that it is not enough obviously).
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: prionic6 on (02:30:51/08-01-16)
Same in Germany. Very rare to talk about numbers, even with your colleagues.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (04:42:48/08-01-16)
you do in the Frozen North among your co-workers, but generally not with people outside of that unless it's in a general sense of the profession as a whole.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Agonar on (17:18:23/08-01-16)
But it'll go onto my list of "Hey, while we're at it" projects, for sure. Thanks.

Patrick, I have a question.. and the heat right now may have fried my brain, so that if it's already been mentioned, I apologize.
Are you going to re-assess the existing errata?  Like, how Adepts can't Initiate for instance?

I ask because of Recoil.  As presented originally, Progressive Recoil was a very good mechanic..  recoil accumulates until you spend an entire Action Phase doing something other than shooting..  unfortunately, it seems people misinterpreted that little statement, and when recoil was erratad, now you could spend a simple action to reset recoil...   

It worked the way it was, and there were posts and reviews, and blogs everywhere back then about how great progressive recoil was, because you couldn't just Simple-Action Full Auto repeatedly for hours on end (okay, not hours, but combat turns on end) without ever suffering a recoil penalty.  You eventually had to choose to drop shooting, and spend that Phase reloading, aiming, picking your nose.. whatever, as long as shooting wasn't involved.  With the errata..   Allowing a simple action to reset recoil is just too good.   If this was still SR4, where you were able to shoot with both of your simple actions, then there'd be a slight tradeoff, but you can only shoot on one of your simple actions.  So, depending on weapon, if you are spending a simple action to shoot, then you always have another simple action on which you cannot shoot, so you always reset recoil.

I may be alone in preferring the older mechanic, or others may like it too, I don't know..   but I really think that the original errata didn't fully take into consideration the mechanical differences in combat between SR4 and SR5 before they went and made the recoil more like SR4 again.

So I was just wondering if existing errata was on the table as well, with the stuff looking for fixes.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (22:37:21/08-03-16)
Patrick, I have a question.. and the heat right now may have fried my brain, so that if it's already been mentioned, I apologize.
Are you going to re-assess the existing errata?  Like, how Adepts can't Initiate for instance?
Yeah, especially since (in regards to that last bit) I broke it. Yeah, existing errata is going to be on the table for discussion, especially as we compare things to the French and German errata.

And the adept initiation thing WILL be fixed. That's kind of embarrassing. Recoil will be discussed, especially in light of Run & Gun and its optional rules.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (00:33:55/08-04-16)
Just as long as the discussion revolves around the core rules; optional rules are just that, optional. I don't think it makes much sense to base errata on rules people may or may not be using, unless the errata is for said optional rules...
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (01:22:25/08-04-16)
It's mostly going to be done to make sure we don't break one book by fixing another.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Kiirnodel on (15:26:36/08-04-16)
I feel like I've missed something. What rule says Adepts can't initiate?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: adzling on (16:40:42/08-04-16)
This has me confused as well...
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (17:05:35/08-04-16)
I know there was discussion at some point about Adepts being unable to use skills linked to Magic (such as spellcasting and counterspelling) and how a "Magic related skill" was to be interpreted. Some saw it as all skills in the Magic Skills section, which includes Arcana even though it's linked to the Intuition attribute, while others saw it as only being a restriction on skills linked to the Magic attribute. Away from book so I don't have page references, but I could have sworn this was laid to rest some time ago. Restricting Adepts from learning Arcana and I believe Astral Combat makes no sense when Arcana is used for Initiation and there are plenty of (well, some) powers aimed at adepts engaging in Astral Combat.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Imladir on (17:12:08/08-04-16)
Street Grimoire (p126) allows mundanes to learn Arcana so I don't see this being a problem for Adepts...
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (17:35:30/08-04-16)
Like I said, I was under the impression that that discussion had been resolved. But this is getting somewhat off topic.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (20:25:14/08-10-16)
The band's together, and we have a place to play. Gotta sweep the stage and get the playlist together...and then it's time to rock.

Little luck, we'll be getting stuff out by the end of the month.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (21:15:46/08-10-16)
Nice to hear Patrick!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Sterling on (08:05:33/08-11-16)
The band's together, and we have a place to play. Gotta sweep the stage and get the playlist together...and then it's time to rock.

Little luck, we'll be getting stuff out by the end of the month.

Freebird! FREEBIRD!!!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:26:00/08-11-16)
Maybe even a little tiny thing or two by the end of the week; I started us off with a couple of softballs so we can get a feel for things.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:00:17/08-12-16)
Okay, it's not much, but it's a start. We've got discussions going on regarding several other points, we're getting organized slowly but surely, and we're about to start hitting our stride. But we did settle on this one little thing so far, and didn't see any reason to wait in order to share it. So...its small. But it's only the first thing. Watch this space.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (14:02:20/08-12-16)
Did I miss the levels explained?  Does provisional mean you sent it up the line for approval?  What are the other statuses?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (14:08:49/08-12-16)
Great first start, Patrick, glad we can finally put that one to rest from a RAW perspective.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:11:11/08-12-16)
"Provisional" means it's take-it-to-the-bank official, but we reserve the right to fix it if it turns out we messed up. Things stay provisional until we're satisfied with how it's tested out, and then it goes into the errata doc and sent up to be put into the next printing of the book/revision of the PDF. Once it's published, I'll change it to "Official." I don't want to jump the gun on anything (though this one is likely not going to get any bad reviews, I think).

If it changes...I'm not sure what I'll call it, but I'll post the new version and provide a pointer. We're still figuring this out, so bear with us as we do so.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Tarislar on (22:56:39/08-14-16)
But we did settle on this one little thing so far, and didn't see any reason to wait in order to share it. So...its small. But it's only the first thing. Watch this space.

Am I missing something or what did you settle on that you are sharing?

EDIT.  Nevermind, I found the other thread  :-[
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Shamie on (23:47:26/08-15-16)
Excited to see the errata is been made for the books :)

Question though i read that any suggestion for erratas on the core should be done on this forum but it should be posted here

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=11363.0

or in a separate thread?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (00:50:31/08-16-16)
That thread is just fine. I read everything on this forum, though I don't respond to very much.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:37:28/08-18-16)
Today has been very productive for me, at least behind the scenes. Over the last 24 hours, I've been in touch with both my French and German counterparts, and have made arrangements to get the errata they've incorporated into their editions. In fact, Black Book Éditions has already sent me errata for the core rulebook, and Pegasus Spiele is compiling theirs and should have it to us sometime next week.

After we have all that, we'll compare everything, make sure nothing contradictory comes up between the two versions, and begin posting things hot and heavy, hopefully by the end of the month.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on (15:50:09/08-18-16)
Neat!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (18:23:29/08-18-16)
Wow, just, wow.  Thank you so much for putting the effort in Patrick, it's a breath of fresh air to a lot of people on this forum I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (20:48:25/08-18-16)
Thumbs up Patrick!


Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: adzling on (19:31:14/08-19-16)
Patrick is da man;-)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:00:06/08-20-16)
And now we have the German errata. Once a couple of guys get back from their weekend off, we're going to have some work to do.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (17:00:46/08-23-16)
Okay, in my continuing efforts at transparency with all this:

Nothing I posted today is major, just some explanations of terms I'm using and a couple of typo fixes. We're having talks on a lot of chargen stuff from the "Creating a Shadowrunner" chapter, with able assistance from the errata provided by Black Book and Pegasus. They've also very recently delivered their Run Faster errata to us, so things are going to be getting really interesting.

Most of our chargen talks right now are based on qualities, though there are a couple of other issues coming up, too. Most of the errata from the overseas licensees is pretty clear; most of the debate is how we phrase it (minor translation bugaboos, but we're getting a lot of help from Black Book and Pegasus, for which I am extremely grateful).
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: markc on (08:59:15/08-24-16)
I would just like to say thanks and keep up the good work I am going to beginning playing in a SR gem for the first time in about 21 years but have loved to material for use with another game system.

So any errata will/should help if we decide to continue the campaign for any length of time.

MDC
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (14:40:25/08-25-16)
I really hate to nitpick, but is the only errata to be made going to just be typos? I may be jumping the gun here as actual crunch could be coming down the pipes, but so far nothing has really changed. (Except people actually doing something as opposed to nothing. That's a big plus which deserves gratitude)

Perhaps I'm just being a little impatient with it, but the errata as a whole has been overdue. I'm excited, anxious, and bordering worrying. I really want this to happen not just for the game, but for the community too.

I'm not sure how best to say this, however is what has come out so far what we should expect or is it just the surface we have yet to scratch?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (14:45:04/08-25-16)
Mr Goodman said they are still just testing the water and getting their feet wet.  I believe the more hardcore stuff will come before too long, but he did just start this about a month ago.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Trillinon on (16:37:59/08-25-16)
I really hate to nitpick, but is the only errata to be made going to just be typos?

It would probably be a good idea to describe the intended scope of the errata right now. I'm under the impression that the goal is to clean up the rules as written, remove inconsistencies, clarify vague rules, update anything that was changed in later books, and codify rulings and missing rules.

Basically, getting the books to actually reflect the rules as intended, but not to revisit and rewrite rules.

But, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:42:48/08-25-16)
It's a valid nitpick; I'm just as impatient, so I understand the frustration.

Barring dissent, a couple meatier bits should go up next week, with more to follow. Part of the holdup is me; I have a life which includes a four-month-old with Down syndrome, and he will always take precedence over paying freelance work (which I also have at the moment), which shares time with volunteer efforts to get a lot of errata for a lot of books agreed upon by a bunch of other volunteers.

We are working on it. Anybody else involved in the process is welcome to step up and talk about things if they like.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:53:47/08-25-16)
You should also understand that even the meaty bits will come in fits and starts, for reasons listed above.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: deville on (20:31:16/08-25-16)
I am very excited about this project and really appreciate Patrick and the others stepping up to make it happen. While I can't wait to see what comes from all your effort, I am already declaring it a complete success because of the line in Patrick's profile that I only just now noticed:

fixing the fixless since 2016

I may be easily amused but I'm going to be laughing about that for a while.

Good luck in everything  you guys will be doing, I wish there was something I could do to help, and thanks for a good laugh!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: EiraHaexa on (21:39:08/08-25-16)
It's a valid nitpick; I'm just as impatient, so I understand the frustration.

Barring dissent, a couple meatier bits should go up next week, with more to follow. Part of the holdup is me; I have a life which includes a four-month-old with Down syndrome, and he will always take precedence over paying freelance work (which I also have at the moment), which shares time with volunteer efforts to get a lot of errata for a lot of books agreed upon by a bunch of other volunteers.

We are working on it. Anybody else involved in the process is welcome to step up and talk about things if they like.

I used to freelance several years ago and stopped taking commissions due to having a sick kid, so I understand completely. Take your time.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Fabe on (00:49:33/08-26-16)
I am very excited about this project and really appreciate Patrick and the others stepping up to make it happen. While I can't wait to see what comes from all your effort, I am already declaring it a complete success because of the line in Patrick's profile that I only just now noticed:

fixing the fixless since 2016

I may be easily amused but I'm going to be laughing about that for a while.

Good luck in everything  you guys will be doing, I wish there was something I could do to help, and thanks for a good laugh!

I liked the "I write shovelware fan-fiction" one but this new one isn't bad either.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (15:13:24/08-27-16)
Will Complex forms wording get clear up and better drain code? Maybe putting them in groups for specialty (magic users get specilty groups, tms got to do specialty per complex form.)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Dinendae on (21:55:02/08-27-16)
Will Complex forms wording get clear up and better drain code? Maybe putting them in groups for specialty (magic users get specilty groups, tms got to do specialty per complex form.)

Considering that they are working on a Technomancer book, I'm guessing that most items like that will be in that new book.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Imladir on (23:20:46/08-27-16)
Yeah, if it's still on the table that is.

Hi! I haven't introduced myself, but I'm Amy Veeres, a freelancer with Catalyst. I've written some stuff for Chrome Flesh and a new book in the 10 ______s series, but this thread is about something you'll see from me either late this year or early next, a book entirely about Technomancers!

It dates from 28 May 2015, and was the only message from the author on the boards.
So better fix what can (and should) be fixed where it is relevant, and not wait for some hypothetical book, which some might not buy anyway, but would still like to get to play TMs with not-so-horrible rules.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (00:57:32/08-28-16)
Yeah, we're going to be looking at technomancers shortly.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (03:20:20/08-28-16)
i was thinking that i should of ask if the tm fix would be here or the new book but it looks like.     I was too sleeply and forgot. Any way, thx for letting us know.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (07:50:10/08-28-16)
New book or no, there's still issues in the book that need looking at. So that falls into my domain, as it were.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:28:41/08-30-16)
A few little things, but meatier this time. In the middle of a couple of writing gigs, so not able to address as much right this minute as I'd like, but one of them is fixing to be over, so I should be able to get some more stuff up to the team and some more answers out of them soon.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (15:34:57/08-30-16)
I'd say the shifter thing is pretty major
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (23:16:24/08-31-16)
I had already houseruled the shifter changes for my game, so I'm glad for it :D
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Kiirnodel on (02:46:17/09-02-16)
I'd say the shifter thing is pretty major

Agreed, and I would like to add a few suggestions as far as the re-introduction of the Shifter Powers and Weaknesses go. Firstly, since space in a chart is usually at a premium, I would suggest avoiding a huge list like that being added to every single variety of shifter. Adding an extra paragraph to the "Creating a Shapeshifter" section should let you list out all of the powers that all of the Shifters share in one swift and concise way. There's even space on Page 103 if you wanted to add it as a sidebar (or for the text to spill over). If you were to do that, moving the "Shift" power to that section would also save you some space too.

I know it was a thing in previous editions, but it might also be worth mentioning that some variants of Shifters are weak against different metals/materials rather than Silver. It was part of the sidebar in 4th that allowed Shifters of non-human metahuman forms, so it would be worth mentioning separately in this edition.

Finally, unrelated to Shifters:
"Power foci live up to their name. They are very powerful foci that temporarily increase your effective Magic rating.
That means they add to your Sorcery, Conjuring, and Enchanting dice pools, along with any other test where
Magic is involved. Power foci can take any form, but for some reason, rings and amulets are quite popular."
  SR5 p319

Does this mean they increase your Magic rating for the purposes of whether Drain is Physical?
One assumes they don't increase it with regards to focus addiction rules?

Since it just came up (again) in the rules forums, I thought it might be worth mentioning again for the errata crew. A clarification of what Power Foci are intended to do. I have quite a bit to say, but I'm going to post it to the other thread to keep discussion on that topic.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (07:49:51/09-07-16)
Hope the work going ok, and i hate to only be asking things here but will the missing mentor spirit coyote be able to be added back in? I been thinking about a mentor for my spell caster but non of the other feel like they fit him.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (20:08:51/09-07-16)
Nothing this week. I've been wrestling with a paying contract which is overdue because of mental vapor lock. Think I've gor things back in motion so will be getting back on this horse next week.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Beta on (20:46:11/09-07-16)
Hope the work going ok, and i hate to only be asking things here but will the missing mentor spirit coyote be able to be added back in? I been thinking about a mentor for my spell caster but non of the other feel like they fit him.

Coyote got defined in one of the Sioux PDFs.  I forget which one, counting coup possibly? (It was more adventure than source)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: deville on (21:59:36/09-07-16)
Hope the work going ok, and i hate to only be asking things here but will the missing mentor spirit coyote be able to be added back in? I been thinking about a mentor for my spell caster but non of the other feel like they fit him.

Coyote got defined in one of the Sioux PDFs.  I forget which one, counting coup possibly? (It was more adventure than source)

I just checked and you are correct. The Counting Coup adventure has a sidebar for the Coyote mentor spirit.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (03:58:40/09-08-16)
In my def, i would not of looked at a adventure book for him. It any good for lore?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Beta on (10:23:30/09-08-16)
In my def, i would not of looked at a adventure book for him. It any good for lore?

I read a review of the product when it came out, and the reviewer mentioned the mentor spirit.  I never would have suspected, otherwise.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Critias on (19:56:47/09-08-16)
Remember, Coyote's also playable using the "stats as per Raven" thing, mentioned right in the core book (bonus to Con, bonus to Manipulation spells).  More than one of us wrote in-book fic with a Coyote shaman featured (because we figured 'yote was the safe bet), and it wasn't until later in the process that we realized Coyote hadn't made it in.  Putting 'yote in as an option tacked onto Raven was the best we could manage right then.

And, of course, you can always play a shaman of Coyote (old school) by just not taking a mentor spirit.  The old "no bonuses, no penalties" routine.   ;)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: deville on (23:45:26/09-08-16)
In my def, i would not of looked at a adventure book for him. It any good for lore?

Not really, if you want lots of shaman lore or Coyote lore, it's a pretty good adventure IMO. I've wanted to run it for a while now. The Coyote shaman has a bio at the end with the mentor spirit sidebar. The bonuses are pretty much like Raven but there's the disadvantage and insight into how Coyote thinks and acts that I really like.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: EiraHaexa on (03:46:35/09-09-16)
Remember, Coyote's also playable using the "stats as per Raven" thing, mentioned right in the core book (bonus to Con, bonus to Manipulation spells).  More than one of us wrote in-book fic with a Coyote shaman featured (because we figured 'yote was the safe bet), and it wasn't until later in the process that we realized Coyote hadn't made it in.  Putting 'yote in as an option tacked onto Raven was the best we could manage right then.

And, of course, you can always play a shaman of Coyote (old school) by just not taking a mentor spirit.  The old "no bonuses, no penalties" routine.   ;)

I feel like anyone who takes a Coyote mentor spirit should have a hard time turning away anyone of the opposite gender. Coyote is one raunchy motherfragger in RL Native American Mythology.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (17:28:09/09-16-16)
Sorry for the long delay in getting anything up. I had some family stuff going on and some paying gigs. I think I've got that all in check, so I'm getting some old stuff that we'd talked over going up today, and I'm  getting more stuff set up for discussions and votes. Sorry I disappeared there for a few days.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:47:56/09-24-16)
With the stuff I'm posting today, we're just about done with the German errata on the chargen chapter in SR5 Core, and a good chunk of the French errata on the same chapter, so we're almost done on that bit. We'll shift focus for a little while to "The Mess of Metahumanity" in Run Faster, and then we'll get to the skills chapter in Core, and probably work on qualities as well in RF.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:36:10/09-24-16)
And of course, I get called into work before I'm done. I'll get more up later, guys.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (00:38:52/10-08-16)
We've got most of the chargen stuff done for the core book; I've just got to get it posted, so the delay's on me. Tonight, though, I'm cleaning house on some of the snowflake stuff in Run Faster, so that I have a better idea where we actually are. There's a lot of little things all over creation in there, and it's proving a daunting task.

Once I get things back in order, I'll be able to get the rest of the chargen stuff up, and then it's on to skills!

This isn't going as quickly as I'd hoped, but I think things are working out well.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (00:57:47/10-08-16)
Thanks Patrick.

We know you and your team are doing your best.

And sometimes, Life throws you a curve and stuff has to take a backseat.

We're just happy SOMETHING is getting done.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (11:42:43/10-18-16)
Well, we're just about done with the chargen chapter, and we've started into the skills chapter on the core book. Since we're currently focusing mostly on the French and German errata and getting all of us onto the same page, there might be some issues lurking in that huge thread that we haven't touched on yet. Once a bigger chunk of the overseas material is worked into the American edition, we'll start looking through the thread to see what we might have missed, and we'll go back and revisit things that haven't been addressed.

While I still want to work on Run Faster in parallel, honesty compels me to admit that I might have bitten off a whole lot more than I could chew, trying to do two books at once with a shiny new process that we're still tweaking. So while there are a few more things that we'd worked on that will be coming out over the next few days, stuff for RF is probably going to dry up a bit as we focus on the core book.

There will be a brief detour as we start hitting Anarchy, but a lot of the issues there are typos. They should be pretty easily addressed, and I don't see a lot of issues there. My (admittedly ambitious) goal for Anarchy is to have an errata sheet ready for it by the time the print book drops. We might not make it, but I'm going to try really, really hard.

There are a few more technomancer bits that'll be going live soon, but some of the big stuff is going to be delayed until we get to the Matrix chapter.

We're moving slowly, but we're moving. Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:45:56/11-03-16)
I think I have a bit of good news regarding a couple of things, but I don't want to jinx it by being premature. I will say, however: Watch this space.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (01:05:05/11-04-16)
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Adamo1618 on (14:43:10/11-04-16)
Patrick, please take care of your personal life before anything else. I know there are a lot of expectations, but all that is secondary. And this of course applies to the entire errata team as well.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (18:42:50/11-13-16)
Are you planning to do the matrix parts book by book or all at once? (Core, DT and rigger 5)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (12:23:18/11-18-16)
One bit of good news is already out there: We got the updated Street Grimoire PDF uploaded. The updated errata sheet will be out there soonish, but I've got a couple of other projects I have to get done, and I've got deadlines.

One of those deadlines is even pertinent to this discussion, but I still can't talk about it yet. As usual, watch this space.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: blayz001 on (14:06:34/11-18-16)
Patrick, let me just tell you that I (and I expect I'm not alone) very much appreciate your communication, as well as your work.  Thank you!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:11:28/11-18-16)
Are you planning to do the matrix parts book by book or all at once? (Core, DT and rigger 5)
By book, mostly. I mean, certain things in Core are going to affect items in DT and R5, so we'll touch on those as we come to them (sort of the way we touched on Chrome Flesh as we were working on 'ware-related things). When we did the technomancer tweaks, we touched on all the books at once. The first big push of Matrix stuff, though, will be for Core, and we'll get to DT and R5 in due course.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:20:02/11-18-16)
Blayz: Happy to help.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (10:30:24/11-26-16)
Due to a number of factors (a high-priority errata push, some paying work for another game I'm very emotionally invested in, a seven-month-old, and printers actually turning this one around much more quickly than I'd anticipated), we will not meet my goal of a full errata sheet for Shadowrun Anarchy being ready upon the book's physical release. It's still high on my list, though, and work is still underway. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on (16:00:17/11-28-16)
How dare you. ;)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:31:42/12-08-16)
There's been a long, quiet, dry spell, and I apologize for that.

My day job is at a supermarket, and the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are murder for us. I've been getting home from work in a fairly exhausted state; it's been all I can do some nights to get my kids their story time and nightly Bible reading taken care of.

I'm also a volunteer for this gig, and I've had a few paying jobs that I've had to deal with. As some of you may know, I'm writing for the new Star Trek Adventures (http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html) RPG by Modiphius Entertainment, and the paying jobs have had to take some priority.

Add to that the usual family emergencies and stuff. The days have just been packed.

That said, though, we're getting back into things slowly. There's a considerable backlog that I need to deal with, and I'll be getting that posted as well as getting new things started with the team in our little Sanctum Sanctorum. We haven't been completely idle...well, they haven't. Like I said above, the world's been busy of late.

But some new stuff should be flowing by this weekend. Again, sorry for the long quiet spell.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (18:30:28/12-08-16)
Dude, take care of you and yours first.... We can wait!

The holidays are hard on everyone, either we are working too much, or not enough, so remember to take some time for yourself and everything else will fall into place when the time allows.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (18:32:08/12-08-16)
I'm with the alcohol part of Reaver.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Dinendae on (23:34:10/12-08-16)

I'm also a volunteer for this gig, and I've had a few paying jobs that I've had to deal with. As some of you may know, I'm writing for the new Star Trek Adventures (http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html) RPG by Modiphius Entertainment, and the paying jobs have had to take some priority.


YES!!!! \o/


That being said, take your time and don't burn yourself out.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Marzhin on (08:54:38/12-09-16)
As some of you may know, I'm writing for the new Star Trek Adventures (http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html) RPG by Modiphius Entertainment

Sweet, congratulations! I'm really looking forward to that one.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (12:53:05/12-19-16)
At Last It Can Be Told, Part 1

I've made some vague allusions to things that have been going on behind the scenes; I can finally talk about one of our big projects.

Early next year, there's going to be a reprint of Run Faster. The team put in a lot of effort, and there's going to be a boatload of errata. I've checked the proof, and almost everything we submitted made the editorial/development cut and is in the reprint. There will be an errata sheet put out soon, but I'm not going to be able to work on anything errata-related until after the new year; the rest of this one is taken up with family, Christmas, and a couple tight deadlines for Star Trek Adventures. (And yeah, sadly, the updated Street Grimoire errata sheet/change log is going to have to be delayed for these same reasons.)

A corrected PDF will be going out Real Soon Now, though I don't have a concrete date for that yet. I think they're shooting for January for the physical release, but I could be misremembering that; it's been really busy for me of late, so my synapses aren't all lining up quite the way I'd like.

Not everything we've got posted in the Run Faster errata thread (http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=24596.0) made the editorial cut; some things that made the cut haven't been posted yet. After the new year, I'll be working on getting that thread up to snuff, along with the aforementioned errata sheet.

Just thought you'd like to know.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (13:06:11/12-19-16)
This is good news! Thank you for the update and the hard work you and your erratta team have done.

And for sure, xmas is the time to spend with family! (For those lucky enough to do so).

So, merry 'Bah-humbug' to you and yours, and thanks again!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on (15:16:53/12-19-16)
OK, cool.  Official-offical errata sheet will be good. 
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (18:54:16/01-13-17)
Got any news for the new year?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (11:23:29/01-18-17)
Most of my paying gigs are done for the time being, so will go and start clearing out some backlog soon.

A quick note: Family and paying gigs will always take precedence over this. This is a volunteer gig for me, and the only payment I get is satisfaction and frustration...and not in equal measure. I get a lot of email asking, with varying degrees of politeness, why I haven't done anything for a while.

I've been supporting my family, like a grown-up is supposed to do. And I will continue to do that in preference to this. This will be here when I get back.

If that's not good enough, then I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (11:40:07/01-18-17)
Most of my paying gigs are done for the time being, so will go and start clearing out some backlog soon.

A quick note: Family and paying gigs will always take precedence over this. This is a volunteer gig for me, and the only payment I get is satisfaction and frustration...and not in equal measure. I get a lot of email asking, with varying degrees of politeness, why I haven't done anything for a while.

I've been supporting my family, like a grown-up is supposed to do. And I will continue to do that in preference to this. This will be here when I get back.

If that's not good enough, then I don't know what to tell you.

Of course mate! That's the way the world works...... What is amazing is the number of people that just don't get that :D

You know the old saying: "No good deed goes unpunished!!"



Personally, get to the Errata when you can, obviously life comes first. And for those that don't get that, give 'em 2 middle fingers and a frozen boot!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: jim1701 on (12:03:03/01-18-17)
As a suggestion I would get an admin to sticky the official errata threads so they don't go astray. :D
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (12:56:15/01-18-17)
That's why there's an index thread. A dozen or more stickies is, at best, distracting.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Quatar on (14:38:33/01-20-17)
Of course mate! That's the way the world works...... What is amazing is the number of people that just don't get that :D
I'd say most people don't even mean anything bad by it, they're probably just not aware that this is a volunteer gig and neither Patrick nor his team get paid. Except totally rude, entitled people of course...

Anyway, thanks for the update Patrick, looking forward what you guys will put out next.

Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:28:21/01-20-17)
Well, the current plan is to get the updated errata sheet/change log for Street Grimoire then get the one for Run Faster created, then get Anarchy errata put together and submitted.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (15:55:14/01-21-17)
I hope i did not come off as rude when i asked what going on. I know life comes 1st.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (11:05:25/02-15-17)
Oh, look, my provider is letting me get to the site again. Maybe I can get some work done after this appointment....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (17:33:10/02-15-17)
There's more, but it'll have to wait. Real-world issues. Rah rah rah.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (17:37:58/02-15-17)
Every little bit you do counts!  Thank you again, Patrick.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (12:23:17/03-06-17)
I have not abandoned you, but I have been having considerable issues with my provider out here in the sticks. We've been having a lot of trouble allowing me to connect for any great length of time, which means my ability to update the errata threads has been seriously degraded. We're working on the issue, and hopefully will have it resolved soon. No, I don't know exactly what's wrong.

I have the errata sheets just about hammered into shape for submission, in the meantime, so hopefully I'll have those submitted soon. Thanks for your patience, and I hope to see you more regularly soon.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Fabe on (02:07:54/03-08-17)
Aren't you also working on the new 'Star Trek' RPG as well? That has to be taking up time ,time I assume you're getting paid for unlike the errata which you are doing more or less on your own .Still  I'm still just glad that errata is being worked on and appreciate all the hard work you're putting into it.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (12:52:15/03-16-17)
The combined errata sheet for Run Faster has been submitted for layout; as soon as I know something, you guys will, too. In the meantime, I'm going to start updating the thread so you can at least see the changes until the sheet itself is out there.

I ran into a bit of a snag on the Street Grimoire sheet, but am working to get that resolved ASAP so that I can get that one off my plate, as well.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (16:08:56/03-16-17)
Okay, everything for Run Faster that made the reprint and was already in the thread has been marked as Official or has been Superseded and replaced with its updated version from the reprint (in a couple of cases, wording was tweaked before it was incorporated into the book).

Now for all the stuff that hadn't been put in the thread yet at all because of time crunch....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (17:33:41/03-16-17)
Not finished posting the new errata for RF, nor are we as a team finished with the book, but we're moving back to the Core, and fulfilling a request for (and promise of) Anarchy errata. So hopefully some good stuff starts showing up in the next few days.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (00:13:50/03-31-17)
Until the pretty, laid-out version is ready​ and up on the website, a quick-and-dirty PDF of the Run Faster errata sheet is attached to the appropriate topic here in this forum. I hope to have the same done shortly for Street Grimoire.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: andrewm9 on (22:10:25/04-08-17)
Okay, everything for Run Faster that made the reprint and was already in the thread has been marked as Official or has been Superseded and replaced with its updated version from the reprint (in a couple of cases, wording was tweaked before it was incorporated into the book).

Now for all the stuff that hadn't been put in the thread yet at all because of time crunch....

I know your busy, but any reason the provisional errata for shapeshifters (dual natured, regen, etc) wasn't made official that you can speak of?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (09:54:07/04-12-17)
Some of the shifter errata was not given final approval. I was overruled; the line developer has that option. It's still listed as "Provisional" in the forum post, and will remain so, but ultimately it wasn't my call.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Kiirnodel on (14:23:54/04-12-17)
So if the sudden removal of a slew of powers/weaknesses from Shifters was purposeful enough to warrant not approving the errata to reinstate them, why isn't there some sort of reasoning to go with it?

One of the biggest reasons people get upset by these sorts of changes is because there isn't any information being passed along to the consumer (players and fans of the game). This game has a history, the line developer (Jason Hardy) knows that, he's been involved in Shadowrun for a long time, right?

So if something fundamental is changing, like how Shifters function as a species, why can't we get some sort of answer? Since Run Faster was released this has been a topic of debate, hotly contested as to whether the removal was purposeful or accidental. Along comes the errata team, a welcome reprieve as the books haven't seen in nearly 3 years. They propose that the powers should all be there, which itself implies the absence as accidental.
Now it gets blocked, throwing that existence into question again. Shifters are in an existential limbo; do they exist as they have in editions past? Has their biology changed somehow in the years since their release in 4th edition? Why do we have this sudden change, and why can't the errata add it back.

Failing to approve the Provisional errata has only brought up more questions.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (17:46:10/04-12-17)
[SR5 is] in an existential limbo
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:43:19/05-06-17)
Using My Powers For Good:

Some of the writers approached me to ask if they could speak to the errata team before they submit something, in an effort to cut down on what might need to be fixed after a book releases. I didn't see how this would be a problem, so I turned them loose upon each other. It already appears to be bearing some fruit, though we'll see what happens later, once the manuscripts being looked at become books
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:54:43/05-06-17)
Lordy, I am so far behind...dang real-world issues....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (16:14:40/05-06-17)
Woooooo! Go Patrick! (And team)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:12:51/05-08-17)
Playing catchup...it's a slow process. But, as the CRB errata gets caught up, I hope it's a worthwhile one.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (18:05:27/05-08-17)
Praise Gabe- Goodman, *cough* >.> Goodman! Bringer of the light! Savior of the mistreated! Fixer of the fixless!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (12:15:50/06-15-17)
I was organized once, I swear....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (11:26:42/06-22-17)
Okay, in the process of compiling errata-to-date for the Core Rulebook for Jason's approval. Work continues; we're addressing the combat chapter at the moment, so that could take a bit. Once the remaining chargen and skills issues are ironed out, I'll be able to start posting some of the combat stuff.

The earliest I'll get the current stuff to Jason is sometime next week, and I'm not sure how long he'll take to approve it, since it's upcoming-con silly season, but once he does, I'll put together an updated errata sheet and post it.

Speaking of updated errata sheets, I'm revamping my personal Shadowrun site as a mirror for the errata sheets. Once I get the basics of it put back together, I'll post the URL.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Iron Serpent Prince on (12:52:23/06-23-17)
Speaking of updated errata sheets, I'm revamping my personal Shadowrun site as a mirror for the errata sheets. Once I get the basics of it put back together, I'll post the URL.

That will be good, considering the hiccups the Shadowrun Tabletop website has experienced.

I have a broad question:  Should I just post my rules questions / potential errata points in this forum?  Or would you rather I post them to another forum to hash out anything I may have missed in my reading of the material first?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (13:02:31/06-23-17)
Here is the best place, generally. If a thread doesn't already exist, go ahead and start one.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (22:06:34/07-25-17)
Okay...while the forums have apparently calmed down, I'm back to random bouts of not being able to connect. Working on it, but it's a PITA.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:38:28/10-04-17)
Wow. It let me in today. Been trying for the better part of three months, and now I'm here. Maybe I can get back to work now.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (04:56:31/10-05-17)
Hurray!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (23:52:42/10-11-17)
Tonight was a good night. More news when I get back from my vacation.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (02:17:39/10-19-17)
Submitted everything in the Core Rulebook thread, and had almost all of it approved. I've started marking Provisional items as Official; Ill finish tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: adzling on (17:47:17/10-19-17)
hit it Patrick!!!!  :) 8)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Beta on (12:05:30/10-22-17)
Submitted everything in the Core Rulebook thread, and had almost all of it approved. I've started marking Provisional items as Official; Ill finish tomorrow.

Thank you s much!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HP15BS on (15:16:31/10-22-17)
As a Techno player, I love the 10/10 (edited 10/20) errata post.

Quote from: Patrick Goodman
"Priority Table Clarification (P. 65, Priority Table)
In the Magic or Resonance column for Technomancers, change the number and type of skills in each row as follows:

Priority A: Change from "two Rating 5 Resonance skills" to "three Rating 5 skills from Resonance, Electronics, or Cracking skill groups"
Priority B: Change from "two Rating 4 Resonance skills" to "three Rating 4 skills from Resonance, Electronics, or Cracking skill groups"
Priority C: Change from none to "three Rating 2 skills from Resonance, Electronics, or Cracking skill groups"
« Last Edit: (15:16:40/10-20-17) by Patrick Goodman »"

But I honestly think a more balanced approach might be to only add 2 skills to C, and 1 at half-strength to A and B. (So B would have a third at 2 and A's third would be at 3).

But idk.  Maybe that's just my inclination to split the difference talking.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: ShadowcatX on (11:14:33/10-24-17)
As a Techno player, I love the 10/10 (edited 10/20) errata post.

Quote from: Patrick Goodman
"Priority Table Clarification (P. 65, Priority Table)
In the Magic or Resonance column for Technomancers, change the number and type of skills in each row as follows:

Priority A: Change from "two Rating 5 Resonance skills" to "three Rating 5 skills from Resonance, Electronics, or Cracking skill groups"
Priority B: Change from "two Rating 4 Resonance skills" to "three Rating 4 skills from Resonance, Electronics, or Cracking skill groups"
Priority C: Change from none to "three Rating 2 skills from Resonance, Electronics, or Cracking skill groups"
« Last Edit: (15:16:40/10-20-17) by Patrick Goodman »"

But I honestly think a more balanced approach might be to only add 2 skills to C, and 1 at half-strength to A and B. (So B would have a third at 2 and A's third would be at 3).

But idk.  Maybe that's just my inclination to split the difference talking.

Meh, it is a couple skill points on one of the weakest primary archetypes in the game. It isn't going to break anything.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Horsemen on (23:42:12/10-27-17)
Thanks Patrick. This is truly appreciated!  8) :)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (19:55:57/01-01-18)
Any news for the new year? (and is the fourm better now?)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (19:51:14/01-27-18)
are you guys ok?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Ein on (23:30:12/02-21-18)
Something i noticed today trying to download the Run Faster Errata. It says the file cannot be found.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: adzling on (13:44:20/02-23-18)
there are a few errata team members continuing our work however sadly our leader has been awol for months and most of the errata team has disappeared due to the constant forum outages and have not returned.

i hope at some point someone in the future catalyst will come back and give a shit, until then myself and a few other dedicated errata members continue to toil in enforced secrecy waiting for the day that someone does.

best of luck out there
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: SlashXVI on (04:07:50/02-24-18)
there are a few errata team members continuing our work however sadly our leader has been awol for months and most of the errata team has disappeared due to the constant forum outages and have not returned.

i hope at some point someone in the future catalyst will come back and give a shit, until then myself and a few other dedicated errata members continue to toil in enforced secrecy waiting for the day that someone does.

best of luck out there

Well damn, but then again I guess bad news is batter than no news. I really hope the project is not completely dead (can you publish anything without a leader?). Looking at the community at large, there are probably enough people willing to work with you guys (heck I would if I had any kind of references to qualify me for that job), though that is probably not on your minds right now, as there is little reason in finding people to do work that may never see the light of day. 
Just let me say that I appreciate the work you have done and are still doing and I hope I keep seeing you around.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: LazloZingo on (16:35:04/02-27-18)
there are a few errata team members continuing our work however sadly our leader has been awol for months

Maybe he will be willing to pass the mantle of leadership on to someone else who has the time to devote to the project? There is no shame in real life happening and taking away from your volunteer time. The problem is when you are unable to let go and let someone else take over. :-/

Thank you for your continued efforts, Adzling!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Marcus on (19:05:28/03-01-18)
there are a few errata team members continuing our work however sadly our leader has been awol for months and most of the errata team has disappeared due to the constant forum outages and have not returned.

i hope at some point someone in the future catalyst will come back and give a shit, until then myself and a few other dedicated errata members continue to toil in enforced secrecy waiting for the day that someone does.

best of luck out there

Patrick has been Modnapped?? :o
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (17:20:37/05-27-18)
What the pulse on this?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (03:41:17/05-28-18)
I'm the new Errata Coordinator, and we're continuing to work on errata!  I'd give more details, but I genuinely don't really know what the NDA I signed covers so, may as well play it safe.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Michael Chandra on (04:05:03/05-28-18)
Makes sense. Better safe than sorry after all, otherwise we have to wait for your replacement. :P Good luck! ;D
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Xenon on (12:18:23/05-28-18)
Good luck firebug!

Let me know if you guys need more matrix related things to errata/clarify ;-)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Stainless Steel Devil Rat on (12:21:21/05-28-18)
I'm the new Errata Coordinator, and we're continuing to work on errata!  I'd give more details, but I genuinely don't really know what the NDA I signed covers so, may as well play it safe.

Nice to see you firebug... I had wondered what became of you!

Should I offer congratulations or condolences on your new responsibilities?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Michael Chandra on (12:23:00/05-28-18)
Condolences.

(Seriously though, NDAs suck because you can't speculate anymore... -.-)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Tecumseh on (12:24:07/05-28-18)
Ha, I was going to say the same thing to firebug that Stainless Steel Devil Rat did.

And speaking of disappearing, I would like to welcome back Michael Chandra after 3.5 years away! I presume it was a case of CFD.

Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Michael Chandra on (12:33:42/05-28-18)
And speaking of disappearing, I would like to welcome back Michael Chandra after 3.5 years away! I presume it was a case of CFD.
I got engaged. It was... a whole thing. I'm back now though.

Let's stop talking about it here though. :-X They're always watching, y'know.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (13:42:06/05-28-18)
Indeed, I missed your contributions to the forums. Hopefully you will be back for a while!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Marcus on (22:19:55/05-28-18)
Please allow me to add my humble Congratulations to Firebug, you certainly deserve the position and I pray it works well for you!

On the other topic I'm not sure I was around last time you were Michael, regardless welcome back. It's good to have another experienced perspective.

Tragically the war of magic perception grinds on and I must get back to the front.

Good Luck too you both!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (23:48:38/05-29-18)
Is it out of turn to inquire about Patrick Goodman?

Also, firebug, have ya'll worked any on Resonance Veil?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (02:07:15/05-30-18)
From what I understood, Patrick is/was a very busy man, and with the forums being down for so long......well you know how it goes.

(At least, I hope that was the full story, I have yet to hear otherwise)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (08:18:59/05-30-18)
Also, firebug, have ya'll worked any on Resonance Veil?

Resonance Veil is that weird "matrix illusion" Complex Form, right?  I've never understood what it's supposed to be able to do since day 1...  I'm as lost as anyone else.  I'll have to see what the team thinks about it.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Marcus on (12:46:19/05-30-18)
From what I understood, Patrick is/was a very busy man, and with the forums being down for so long......well you know how it goes.

(At least, I hope that was the full story, I have yet to hear otherwise)

I feel sure he is still modnapped, and whatever runs were sent out after him clearly failed. So whoever took him must pretty serious business. Maybe a Dragon? or a Hive Queen? Maybe one the Old Ones try to get him to Errata it so they win?

It's clever plan on their part really. Maybe at one of the big cons they can get some prime runners together and go pull whatever is left of the poor guy out.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (03:21:03/05-31-18)
It's clever plan on their part really. Maybe at one of the big cons they can get some prime runners together and go pull whatever is left of the poor guy out.
Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Chummer 5 is Alive on (09:45:11/05-31-18)
So are there going to be any substantial changes in the errata structure, or an ETA on the next content drop you can provide?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (09:52:13/05-31-18)
No major changes.  I'm trying to shift work towards the core rulebook (which still has a ton of unresolved issues), which is working out.  Shadowrun Anarchy got a lot of love, so if all goes well, errata for that should be on its way.  That's as much detail as I can give.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: on (23:11:43/06-04-18)
Can y'all talk about what y'all are working on? (Just out of curiosity)

Also might Gunnery be on the list of things to clarify?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Michael Chandra on (00:22:59/06-05-18)
I second that. (Oh goddess how much effort it took me to make judgement calls on Riggers that didn't defang the class and kept the game actually playable... Am I glad my campaign is over, otherwise the Rigger would never forgive me once errata come out.)
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: PiXeL01 on (07:53:50/06-05-18)
Everything that has caused confusion and may need clarification is or will be looked at. That’s includes the Rigger chapter.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: ClaytonCross on (23:50:53/06-06-18)
No major changes.  I'm trying to shift work towards the core rulebook (which still has a ton of unresolved issues), which is working out.  Shadowrun Anarchy got a lot of love, so if all goes well, errata for that should be on its way.  That's as much detail as I can give.

Long time no see. I have been away in part due to the site outages and my group switching back to D&D due to rule fatigue. I would love to see you get some forward movement on errata because I really miss this game.

That in mind....
I had posted here (https://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=22807.225) about a bunch of rigger questions that need work.
However ... sticking with the core rule book on rigger clarifications for gunnery so we FINALLY have something in writing?

Old reference threads for reflection:
https://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=24322.10;wap2
https://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=24322.30

More to my point I have a list of all the rules in the book spread around the book to various places on one topic that is so convoluted I had to make a chart to play my character. I also have quotes from people of interest like Aaron who are key to the community but has made a ruling one day that gave riggers +1 for all matric actions through the rig +2 for hot sim for a total of +3, then the next day time the topic came up he ruled the +1 was a typo and its the same +2 for hot sim bonus mentioned weirdly in to locations, and another who moderator who once told me is specific over general so the +1 matrix action over rides the +2 hotsim so its only +1. I am really fine with a +3 or +2 (+1 for 1/3 a chance of a hit is not worth hot-sim physical damage, In my opinion. I just wouldn't bother with it anymore), but the point is that because the rules on remote gunnery (logic?), physical gunnery (agility?), control device gunnery (agility?!?), riggers in AR performing gunnery as a control device matrix actions, riggers in vr-cold gunnery as a matrix action, riggers in vr-hot gunnery as a matrix action, using sensor targeting with [sensor + rig level] as the limit, using sensors visually while manually targeting [accuracy + rig level], adding or not adding the rig level your using to the pool, and/or drone pilot + autosoft with all the same options... Might be the worst outlined, scattered, and least clearly written part of the core rule book, it basically makes any and every rigger new or old get a headache and at some point an argument with their GM.

I can post all the quotes but despite my understand and having "rulings" on all of this. Their desperately needs to be something in writing via errata to make riggers less a mess. Maybe a nice chart, lol. I mean I didn't even get into driving/speed tests and vehicles as drones but not as drones...

Look! Another link: https://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=23247.0  <---This one might be the best most inclusive one.

thanks for a minute of your time.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (06:13:39/06-18-18)
They may as well send Street Lethal right to your door from what i hear.....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: PiXeL01 on (08:26:56/06-18-18)
We’ll welcome it gladly.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Redwulfe on (10:23:23/06-18-18)
Is their going to be a new thread for street lethal errata or do we start posting it here?
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: PiXeL01 on (17:39:12/06-18-18)
Separate is highly preferred
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: ClaytonCross on (05:38:25/06-25-18)
They may as well send Street Lethal right to your door from what i hear.....

Based only on your comment I have just ordered Street Lethal. (Really hope you intended it for me, lol) I hope it has some answers on drone movement in combat or one of my other 15 questions. Thank you.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: HiddenBoss on (05:01:21/06-27-18)
They may as well send Street Lethal right to your door from what i hear.....

Based only on your comment I have just ordered Street Lethal. (Really hope you intended it for me, lol) I hope it has some answers on drone movement in combat or one of my other 15 questions. Thank you.
Well this is awkward....
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Marcus on (07:51:09/06-27-18)
They may as well send Street Lethal right to your door from what i hear.....

Based only on your comment I have just ordered Street Lethal. (Really hope you intended it for me, lol) I hope it has some answers on drone movement in combat or one of my other 15 questions. Thank you.
Well this is awkward....

LOL... LOL oh forums. I mean it's a good read. It may not help with drones but it certainly a fun book.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: ClaytonCross on (09:48:28/06-28-18)
They may as well send Street Lethal right to your door from what i hear.....

Based only on your comment I have just ordered Street Lethal. (Really hope you intended it for me, lol) I hope it has some answers on drone movement in combat or one of my other 15 questions. Thank you.
Well this is awkward....

lol, Ya one look at the table of contents and I was like "well HiddenBoss was talking to someone else or confuse.. but ok, never hurts to have a new shadowrun book"

... So firebug.... you still around? any progress? lol
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (14:35:48/06-28-18)
I wasn't available for a while due to a mix of issues including a fever, but the team doesn't need me around to make progress, so don't worry.  Right now I'm at a stage of making sure I understand the process required before I can begin releasing what we've completed (as either "provisional" or "official" errata).  I'm trying to make sure I don't do anything reckless or irresponsible by tossing out a bunch of stuff that can't or shouldn't be considered official.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: ClaytonCross on (05:13:20/06-29-18)
I wasn't available for a while due to a mix of issues including a fever, but the team doesn't need me around to make progress, so don't worry.  Right now I'm at a stage of making sure I understand the process required before I can begin releasing what we've completed (as either "provisional" or "official" errata).  I'm trying to make sure I don't do anything reckless or irresponsible by tossing out a bunch of stuff that can't or shouldn't be considered official.

Sounds perfectly reasonable. Just glad to know your on the case sorta speak. As I already posted there is a ton of work Riggers would be grateful for like drone in vs out of combat speed but please know I am not trying to rush you. Its not like we haven't survived this far without it. I am just happy to hear someone is still trying to work on things. That is enough for me to patiently wait my turn. Thanks again!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: firebug on (14:02:35/07-09-18)
I'm starting to transition what the team's decided upon to Provisional errata to post in the threads made by Patrick a while ago.  It'll be a slow process, but expect a semi-regular trickle of Provisional errata being released over the next month or so.  My life's been really rocky lately, so I can't promise I'll be able to be 100% on top of it.
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: Reaver on (15:40:26/07-09-18)
I'm starting to transition what the team's decided upon to Provisional errata to post in the threads made by Patrick a while ago.  It'll be a slow process, but expect a semi-regular trickle of Provisional errata being released over the next month or so.  My life's been really rocky lately, so I can't promise I'll be able to be 100% on top of it.


Do what you can, when you can. No one is expecting you to sacrifice your health or private life for a volunteer job!
Title: Re: The Official Scoop on Official Shadowrun Errata
Post by: odd on (23:11:57/07-09-18)
Do what you can, when you can. No one is expecting you to sacrifice your health or private life for a volunteer job!

Someone doesn't work for aztechnology