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Rules and such / Re: Talk to me about IC
« Last post by Xenon on (23:13:59/04-17-18) »
If the IC can't interact with those device icons

Maybe it can. I just have not read anything to support that it is something that IC normally do.

However...  It's possible I'm wrong, and that it's possible for a device to be slaved to a host without the icon being in the host.  If someone can show me where the book says I'm right or wrong (before I find it), then I appreciate it.  If not, then I'll bring this to the errata team.

If you attack a slaved device out on the grid it get to defend with master ratings, but there is nothing really to stop you from attacking it out on the Grid (except GOD). You can also always spot it out on the Grid no matter how far away you are (but noise might become an issue). You don't have to enter the host. And you can't be attacked by IC when messing around with the device no matter if it is not slaved, part of a PAN or part of a WAN - unless you happen to do it from within a the Host it is slaved to.

You can avoid fighting master ratings by establishing a direct connection. Either by physically connecting to the device or by being inside the Host it is slaved to. This will cut down the distance to 0 meters. But the icon will still be out on a Grid, never inside the Host.

We had a very good discussion about this when I was active on this forum back in '14 or '15.
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I don't see why you couldn't.

I'll do some reading about Buddhism :p

Monk robes sounds like a neg. quality to me :) (distinctive style)
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Gear / Re: Ares S-III Super Squirt
« Last post by kyoto kid on (22:51:12/04-17-18) »
...getting back to the topic at hand again the current version of the Super Squirt III  is described more that of a capsule/gel round than the original squirt gun it was in 3rd ed.  So yes, why bother with the exotic skill when capsule rounds can do just as well (an Ares Crusader loaded with Pepper Punch can be very effective in suppression mode).

One of our Missions FAQ committee members has the advance release of Street Lethal for Missions evaluation and in there is a carbine styled weapon that is a true squirt/spray gun that can be used in full auto mode to "hose down" an area with DMSO/Narco. It does take Exotic Weapons skill, but when you can knock out several people in one action that would make it worth taking.  Granted not good against armour with chemseal, but for annoying gangers or average facility guards it can be quite effective and not leave a body count. 

To deal with guards in chemseal, nothing better than an Ares Sonic Rifle set at moderate choke.  My namesake has used it effectively on several occasions.
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So I've got a lot of Character's Already Built I've got a question for You about the "Code of honor" quality.  Can I have my code of Honor be Buddhism? I've got this Idea for a troll bare shaman Who walks the path of the Buddha to quiet his trollish rage and violent ways that his bear mentor sprit wiping to him about.  He also fights evil spirits with a stun staff and dress in monk robes.
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Gear / Re: Ares S-III Super Squirt
« Last post by kyoto kid on (22:21:09/04-17-18) »
...true, it is more something I could see some terror extremist group perpetrating rather than a runner team, would make for a very challenging job to take them down.

Again, I've played with some really serious hard core people in the past who would turn "good cop bad cop" into "bad cop worse cop" and not worry about collateral damage (in one scenario, Portland City Hall was blown up as a distraction [2nd ed]).

Anyway like I mentioned in my previous post, I do agree the use of magic as a distraction (or paying a gang to go about robbing Stuffer Shacks) is a much more viable and "sane" option.  The caveat is you need to cast at a reasonably high force level to affect a decent number of people, and that usually means taking physical drain (spirits can only cast spells up to their force rating) or your mages having power foci, several initiate grades and the spell shaping metamagic.

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Catalyst's Shadowrun Products / Re: Upcoming Products / Releases
« Last post by kyoto kid on (21:56:27/04-17-18) »
...yes thank you.  I purchase the PDFs as for me it is difficult to lug 20 or so Kilos of books around to each session (as I have serious bone & joint arthritis) compared to a lightweight slim notebook.  Some people in my missions group say they don't like them but I've been able to get around finding the information I need little trouble.  At home I have a display that I can rotate 90 to view an entire page.
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A, now I get what you are fishing for.

What you are asking for is not possible.


K, I'm on the same page with you I think.  My problem is reconciling what firebug said over in the thread that spawned this spinoff thread.  Perhaps I'm misunderstanding her context, and that she was only referring to the vehicle being wireless-off and not the Rigger as well.
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I don't *have* a concern in this thread.. I wasn't the OP I was answering the OP :) 

I even linked the other/similar thread to this one upthread where I was the OP on a similar question.
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You will never make a build that runs 16-20 in even most skills. Going that high is well into diminishing returns.

If you want the highest possible odds of the broadest possible skill set the max edge build will do that but edge can go fast if start using it on everything.

Skillwire builds only intended to be used a on skills that not primary role, or failing that filling in the gaps at a given table. Primary role should maxed and be distinct  from any skill wire component.

For example my Skillwire build Street Sam Primary and Jack of all trade secondary. Which has come in very handy at many tables, but it's no replacement for primaries.

 
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Rules and such / Re: Talk to me about IC
« Last post by firebug on (18:02:19/04-17-18) »
I don't think IC can interact with Device Icons out on the grid, even if they happen to be slaved to the Host...

If the IC can't interact with those device icons, how do you do any hacking of icons slaved to the host while inside the host?  One of the points of hacking into a host in the first place is for the Direct Connection to all the devices in the WAN.

I'm absolutely certain a device slaved to a host may have its icon accessed from inside the host.  In fact, it's the only way, as when you’re outside of a host you can’t interact directly with icons inside it.  That's part of why hosts actually do make things more secure.

However...  It's possible I'm wrong, and that it's possible for a device to be slaved to a host without the icon being in the host.  If someone can show me where the book says I'm right or wrong (before I find it), then I appreciate it.  If not, then I'll bring this to the errata team.
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