Interestiing idea, and you could certainly house-rule that being the case. But how does mana fit into a Grand Unified Field theory?
Making those threats more extraterrestrial loses something, in my opinion. Probably several somethings. Being an astral/metaplanar threat really makes them different (thought processes, motivations, fears, etc) from an entity that originates from another ball of rock somewhere in space. It possibly also changes the astral plane to being no more than a version of 'hyperspace' - does this really fit?
Side question: Do insect spirits require a minimum mana level, or do they get what they need by forming melds with metahumans (insect spirits = Goa'uld? ;) )? Something I'd like to ask Man-of -Many-Names 8)
How would you imagine the planets of Bugs and Shedim to be like? It seems like a bit of a stretch to me that there is a planet out there where insect life has developed that is identical to that of our planet in most regards, and that their astral presence is greater than that of our home-grown bugs.
The idea of Shedim from outer space would bear some resemblance to Scientology's alien ghosts theory, though. In your game universe, Hubbard might really have been on the right track.
It also raises the question of whether humans could use Alchera or Astral Projection for interstellar travel, essentially making Deep Metaplanar quests planetary excursions.
SG 1 in action :)
But you are realy inspiring something. Thank you :)
It also raises the question of whether humans could use Alchera or Astral Projection for interstellar travel, essentially making Deep Metaplanar quests planetary excursions.
I'm not particularly versed in Scientology, but the idea is that these being come from primarily Astral space, at least the Horrors do. Invae would more likely have physical bodies that they take with them to here, but being that their bodies can't exist here, they perform Merges. Horrors could be completely Astral, stuck on planets when the mana in that area ebbs away, trapping them there and putting them into a torpor due to the lack of power, while others may scramble for the few sites of energy to be inevitably found.
I'm not particularly versed in Scientology, but the idea is that these being come from primarily Astral space, at least the Horrors do. Invae would more likely have physical bodies that they take with them to here, but being that their bodies can't exist here, they perform Merges. Horrors could be completely Astral, stuck on planets when the mana in that area ebbs away, trapping them there and putting them into a torpor due to the lack of power, while others may scramble for the few sites of energy to be inevitably found.
Sorry, I just realized that I got Horrors mixed up with Shedim, but looks like you still got what I was trying to say.
Well, basically Scientology says that we are under attack from ghosts from outer space (Thetans) that slowly drive us insane (that's the reason why Psychology is BS). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu) if you're interested in the details.
Are there "normal" metaplanes in your game universe too, or do you want to replace them with alien planets completely ?
How would you imagine the planets of Bugs and Shedim to be like? It seems like a bit of a stretch to me that there is a planet out there where insect life has developed that is identical to that of our planet in most regards, and that their astral presence is greater than that of our home-grown bugs.
The idea of Shedim from outer space would bear some resemblance to Scientology's alien ghosts theory, though. In your game universe, Hubbard might really have been on the right track.
Metahumanity is a physical entity, as is most life on Earth. So unless we develop magic that can conjure us, i doubt we'll be summoned anytime soon.
Metahumanity is a physical entity, as is most life on Earth. So unless we develop magic that can conjure us, i doubt we'll be summoned anytime soon.
Still, parts of metahumanity that can Astral Project being "called" while projecting would make an interesting plot device.
That would certainlt add a new danger to being awakened, being summoned yourself. Could explain freaky nightmares, unsolved disappearances, and any number of strange things.
What if Horrors and Shadow spirits and Invae live on the astral planes(or even physical areas) of other planets
What if Horrors and Shadow spirits and Invae live on the astral planes(or even physical areas) of other planets
Nice theorey, but I think it doesn't fly. Why? Because the metaplanes are much more than any other planet could be. There's a metaplane with cowboys, equipped with clockwork-cyberware riding on dinosaurs, for example. That simply doesn't feel like another planet. You could try to explain horrors with "from another planet", ok, but many, many other things you cannot explain that way. So personally I would say, no, it's pretty unlikely, that the metaplanes - the place where all these beings come from - are simply different planets, connected by the astral space. They are much more than that, not even bound by the same basic physical laws as our world. Another planet would follow similar rules, but the metaplanes aren't bound by these rules. Thus they aren't simply a physical place somewhere else and thus cannot be another planet.
What if Horrors and Shadow spirits and Invae live on the astral planes(or even physical areas) of other planets
Nice theorey, but I think it doesn't fly. Why? Because the metaplanes are much more than any other planet could be. There's a metaplane with cowboys, equipped with clockwork-cyberware riding on dinosaurs, for example. That simply doesn't feel like another planet. You could try to explain horrors with "from another planet", ok, but many, many other things you cannot explain that way. So personally I would say, no, it's pretty unlikely, that the metaplanes - the place where all these beings come from - are simply different planets, connected by the astral space. They are much more than that, not even bound by the same basic physical laws as our world. Another planet would follow similar rules, but the metaplanes aren't bound by these rules. Thus they aren't simply a physical place somewhere else and thus cannot be another planet.
I'm a long-time fan of Shadowrun since '07, back in middle school coming across forum boards and RP fansites.
I'm a long-time fan of Shadowrun since '07, back in middle school coming across forum boards and RP fansites.
That popping noise you hear is the sound of me visibly and physically aging 10 years after just reading that sentence :) I thought I felt old already, but now I feel freaking ancient :(
(For what it's worth, I think it's awesome we have younger fans like you playing Shadowrun. That's the kind of thing we need to keep the game and our hobby alive. :))
By comparison, I was in 10th grade when Shadowrun debuted back in '89. :)
Course, I know folks who play and were out of college when it came out, so... Even I'm not the oldest dog around here :)
By comparison, I was in 10th grade when Shadowrun debuted back in '89. :)Yeah I started SR in '90 (it took two years to filter down to Backwoods GA) and I was in 11th grade then. It really makes me feel old to know I have characters older than some of the posters here....... :P
Course, I know folks who play and were out of college when it came out, so... Even I'm not the oldest dog around here :)
By comparison, I was in 10th grade when Shadowrun debuted back in '89. :)By comparison, I was 23 and halfway through my miltary service....
Course, I know folks who play and were out of college when it came out, so... Even I'm not the oldest dog around here :)Alarmingly enough, neither am I....
It really makes me feel old to know I have characters older than some of the posters here....... :PI have dice older that some of the posters here. And a lot older than some of the guys at my FLGS....
It really makes me feel old to know I have characters older than some of the posters here....... :PI have dice older that some of the posters here. And a lot older than some of the guys at my FLGS....
:oIt really makes me feel old to know I have characters older than some of the posters here....... :PI have dice older that some of the posters here. And a lot older than some of the guys at my FLGS....
I have dice older than you, Patrick, and I'm one of the SR3 whipper-snappers. Ah, hand-me downs from old gamers.
But I was only 2 when SR first debuted
It really makes me feel old to know I have characters older than some of the posters here....... :PI have dice older that some of the posters here. And a lot older than some of the guys at my FLGS....
Shouldn't that then mean that whenever we leave our bodies (our 'anchors', if you will) that we can be summoned by an extraplanar entity?And if such entities are capable of summoning us, what's to stop them from hiring us?
That would certainlt add a new danger to being awakened, being summoned yourself. Could explain freaky nightmares, unsolved disappearances, and any number of strange things.A very interesting possibility.