Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: Henker on <02-03-12/0802:39>
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Hello,
I have been very surprized to notice that their is no sound suppressed assault rifle in the core rules.
I have found many sound suppressed SMG, some pistols, but no AR.
Have I miss something in a supplement?
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Hello,
I have been very surprized to notice that their is no sound suppressed assault rifle in the core rules.
I have found many sound suppressed SMG, some pistols, but no AR.
Have I miss something in a supplement?
Arsenal has all sorts of weapon mods. A Sound Suppressor is a 3-slot mod that lets you turn any automatic weapon short of a Machine Gun into a silenced weapon.
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And SR4A has a sound suppressor listed among the firearm accessories, and that will work on ARs.
Of course, it has to be replaced every 300 rounds, but it's cheap enough, or at least cheaper than the ammo you've just fired...
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I still say that they ought to allow you to suppress larger weapons, since IRL there's a guy who made a suppressed FA grenade launcher...
Also the same guy who made an integrally suppressed shotgun.
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Thanks for these answers but my main concern it on the availability....
the sound suppressor fit on almost any automatic weapon but has an availability of 12F that make it difficult to find.
When you look at the weapons that come equipped with a sound suppressor the availability is often less:
HK227X is 8R
Beretta Mod 70 is 5R
Ares Silvergun is 5R
etc....
With this kind of weapons "joe runner" can have a sound suppressed gun at a good price and easier to found that a sound suppressor alone....
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Perhaps, but if you think about it there is no legitimate reason to fit an AR with a sound suppressor, and certainly not to manufacture an AR with an integral sound suppressor. An assault rifle is a weapon of war, not for security work (just look at the range ! no security force can accept the risk of stray bullets killing some innocent half a kilometer away). So any sound suppressor made for an AR is bound to be something hard to find, and illegal, since it almost screams "I want to murder someone very thoroughly".
Hey, the Ares Alpha is 12F too ! Sure, the AK-97 is only 4R, but that's because the market is overrun with the damn thing and it's almost a collectible :)
Besides, even at 12F your fixer can have a sound suppressor for you in 3 or 4 days for a measly extra 75Y
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Actually, the AR is used by a lot of private security companies where security is paramount. Nuclear facilities, for instance, but any power company would be a good example. Military contractors. Police forces (yes, police forces today have assault rifles).
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there certainly is a legitimate reason to use a sound suppressor, i can't get a sound filter installed in my ears yet, and who wants to have the neighbors calling the cops when you're having a good time doing target practice in the back yard?
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Actually, the AR is used by a lot of private security companies where security is paramount. Nuclear facilities, for instance, but any power company would be a good example. Military contractors. Police forces (yes, police forces today have assault rifles).
Some police forces, yes.
Laugh my ass off, but the SWAT team back home apparently has to go to the local Armed Forces Armory to ask for their weapons.
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Actually, the AR is used by a lot of private security companies where security is paramount. Nuclear facilities, for instance, but any power company would be a good example. Military contractors. Police forces (yes, police forces today have assault rifles).
Some police forces, yes.
Laugh my ass off, but the SWAT team back home apparently has to go to the local Armed Forces Armory to ask for their weapons.
I am actually :) We have local police departments (not SWAT or anything, just local cops) equiped with FN P-90s. OK, technically that is a SMG, but I don't believe that for a second. Granted, we invented the thing, so it's easier to get it than other weapons, but still. When I hear stories about police shooting I think the only way I felt safe when they start firing those is right behind them.
But a FN P-90 can actually be supressed as well (together with a subsonic round you can get a sound level of 33 dB). So it is possible, but I don't think you can get that supressor together with the civilian version of the weapon.
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I think most Police Forces in Canada and the US have at least AR-15s in the trunks of their squad cars now at the very least, as well as the shotgun in the front.
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In the US they certainly do in big cities, after that bank robbery in LA where they had to raid a local gun store to match weapons with the robbers.
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I still say that they ought to allow you to suppress larger weapons, since IRL there's a guy who made a suppressed FA grenade launcher...
Also the same guy who made an integrally suppressed shotgun.
Someone else a fan of Red Jacket, eh? ;)
I think most Police Forces in Canada and the US have at least AR-15s in the trunks of their squad cars now at the very least, as well as the shotgun in the front.
Depends on the department. Mine use either an AR or a M-4. I do know of some who have suplus M-14's. Some carry MP-5s but I would imagine those are more for urban areas. Rural, cornfield-type areas like mine sometimes require something with reach. Although, every deparment and jurisdiction has their own...opinions on having carbines and or rifles. Yes, after the North Hollywood shootout, many departments adopted the policy of a AR/Longrifle with a shotgun in the car. No one wanted that to happen to them.
But as to the usability of a suppressor will depend on the mission profile. Security, eh, maybe if there is a need to hide your position for whatever reason. Perhaps a few weapons with them but the majority regular. Military, especially special/covert operations, oh yeah. SWAT-style raids are kind of a waste as the dynamic entry tactics rely on a lot of noise and confusion when the operators enter.
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Not all suppressors are used for nefarious purposes.
In some areas using a suppressor is just being neighborly. Sound pollution, y'know.
-k
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Not all suppressors are used for nefarious purposes.
In some areas using a suppressor is just being neighborly. Sound pollution, y'know.
-k
nooooooooooo i want noise i want bang i want i want i want ;D but i live in the middle of nowere 8)
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Not everyone does. Some of us live in a place that doesn't allow civilians to own firearms above a certain quality due to their "Military" and "Aggressive" purposes.
On the bright side, Longarm Registry is dead and gone!
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so can you get a smle naw or not?
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Not a stock SMLE, have to get the magazine modified (Or a new one) that only holds five rounds.
Also, Firearms Licenses are still required to get any kind of firearm in Canada.
There's also a lack of places to shoot it (I don't hunt), and the fact that I can't sight down a longarm.
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What does surprise me, is that a lot of security or counter terrorist units use suppressed AR or Carbines.
Some M4 verisons have short barrels and sound suppression integrated with the picatini 20mm rail
this kind of thing...
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What does surprise me, is that a lot of security or counter terrorist units use suppressed AR or Carbines.
And for a good reason - they are loud as hell. You don't wanna cause a widespread panic, when you have to use them. People should stay in their offices and work, and not care.
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What does surprise me, is that a lot of security or counter terrorist units use suppressed AR or Carbines.
Some M4 verisons have short barrels and sound suppression integrated with the picatini 20mm rail
this kind of thing...
There's also the fact that guns are deafeningly loud especially in enclosed spaces (such as buildings). It's nice to have a sense of hearing both during the mission and over time.
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Of course, it has to be replaced every 300 rounds, but it's cheap enough, or at least cheaper than the ammo you've just fired...
No one really bothers with that. :-X
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What does surprise me, is that a lot of security or counter terrorist units use suppressed AR or Carbines.
Some M4 verisons have short barrels and sound suppression integrated with the picatini 20mm rail
this kind of thing...
There's also the fact that guns are deafeningly loud especially in enclosed spaces (such as buildings). It's nice to have a sense of hearing both during the mission and over time.
Most operators will use hearing protection on themselves, rather than the weapon unless the mission profile requires a suppressed weapon. Keeps your hearing intact, while causing havoc for your opposition.
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Most operators will use hearing protection on themselves, rather than the weapon unless the mission profile requires a suppressed weapon. Keeps your hearing intact, while causing havoc for your opposition.
Sound Dampeners are on almost all my characters for just such a reason.
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Not that it matters.
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Most operators will use hearing protection on themselves, rather than the weapon unless the mission profile requires a suppressed weapon. Keeps your hearing intact, while causing havoc for your opposition.
Sound Dampeners are on almost all my characters for just such a reason.
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Not that it matters.
If you were playing one of my games, it would. I tend to pull things like that out. I'm also the kind of GM who countered my players stealthy exit by using the backup alarm from the van they boosted. Details can kill ya!
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Gunfire in enclosed spaces. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Pw6JODjc0&t=2m32s)
-k
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True, but In this situation, if it's losing my hearing or being zombie chow....the ringing goes away...I hope. I also like to point out that the richochet in that could have also been just as fatal as a combie love-bite. Good thing the round cought on something in the tank, or at least that's what I like to think. I know that the technical advisor would NEVER overlook something technical like that. I mean he knew EXACTLY where the safety on a Glock was right?
;)
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mystic tanks have a kevlar liner called a spall liner. Back to the topic in hand, yes you can put a sound supresser on assault rifles. Its actually kind of a smart Idea. Not only will it make it harder to pin point you, but coming from personel experance fireing assault weapons inside of a building, is hell on your ear drums, even with ear plugs.