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Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: orewashinigamiza on <01-31-12/2300:12>
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Alrighty, I've bee thinking about this for a few days now and thought I'd post it for feedback and advice on how to mechanically define it... In short it is what I've posted up there. I'll write a blurb as if it were in a book below, but some stuff isn't defined (like damage code) because I'm not too sure where to go with it. So without further ado:
The underbarrel shotgun attachment for pistols gives police and security forces increased versatility while decreasing the need for larger weapon systems, something critical in an urban warfare environment. The system runs off of a pistol's powered rail system and requires a smart-gun system on the pistol in order to operate. The weapon looks like an oblong rectangle, a little larger in both length and width than a 12 guage shotgun shell. To load the weapon, insert the round directly into the barrel until it clicks into place. To unload the weapon either use the smartgun system to eject the round or remove the weapon from the powered slide mount and press down on the round until a click is felt and the round is released. Users are strongly discouraged from using the manual method while the weapon is attached to the powered slide mount. To fire the weapon, simply use the smartgun system to fire the weapon. An electrical signal will then ignite the round's propellant. As the weapon features no ejection port for used shell casings, the weapon only accepts caseless ammunition. Unfortunately, since the barrel of the weapon is of inconsequential length, the weapon has ranges comparable to those of hold-out pistol, limiting it's usefulness to tight quarters and urban combat.
That's that I suppose....in short:
Requires:
- Smartgun equipped pistol
- Powered Rail System equipped pistol
- Caseless ammo
Range:
- Same as hold-out pistol
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As I read it it is just a caseless shell under a pistol?
Will the firering of that shell not develope a lot of heat that is very close to your unprotected hand (or hands if you use a propper two-handed firering style)??
Rasmus
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no work no way the under barrel mod got to be smaller in size so your best option is to go the la mat way
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redwolf: Two thinks, one that system is a lot smaller then pistol and secondly it's a new item, so mod rules don't matter anyway.
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max yes & no: if he got powered rail it is a mod .second 12 gauge or any shotgun round need some kind of barrel lengths to work so imo flechette round in underbarrel barrel make more sens allso is it a master key sistem or surprises option ?
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for shotguns you use the Longarms skill, how long do you want your pistol to be.... even with a sawed-off...
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for shotguns you use the Longarms skill, how long do you want your pistol to be.... even with a sawed-off...
Really, what it is is a slightly-more-powerful version of an underbarrel Ares Viper.
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I'd see it work for maybe a single round, possibly two rounds (double barrel).
I think the problem of people here is that the consider it a shotgun, while really it isn't. It's basically just two metal cylinders capable of (barely) fitting in a 12 gauge shell and firing making it explode.
The recoil would be horrible, accuracy even worse, but I could see it working.
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Yeah, doing an underbarrel shotgun on a pistol is really only good for a belly gun or a master key idea. And the master key concept works better on an assault rifle, anyways.
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I don't see any issue with it, but it would have to be a modification (pistols have no under mount for an accessory version). I can easily see it as a standard issue for KE officers.
Ares Predator IV
-Electric Firing
-Powered Slide Mount (3 slot size)
*Underbarrel Weapon: Single Shot Shotgun
-Electric Firing
-Endoscope
-Flashlight
Carrying a couple Flechette, Shock Lock, APDS, and Ex-Ex shells open up a lot of options (everything from 7P/-5 to 9P/+5 and the ability to open doors fairly easy) for everyday officers.
You can already do it in game without the modification restrictions you place on it (Underbarrel Weapon: Eichiro Hatamoto II).
The Hatamoto II is already a single shot Heavy Pistol that fires a shotgun shell and uses the pistols skill, so its not really introducing anything controversial to the game unless you start adding more ammo and firing modes.
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Wouldn't the officers just be carrying a shotgun for those situations or have it in their patrolcar?
A shotgun has the added benefit of an intimidation factor.
Rasmus
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Also good for low-lethality rounds like beanbag rounds and such.
Oh, that's IRL.
Gel Rounds from a Shotgun, now that'd smart and knock down a troll!
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"I wanted him alive!"
"He is! Those were gel rounds."
"From a shotgun? At point blank? To the face!?"
"You didn't say "Alive and pretty"."
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Also good for low-lethality rounds like beanbag rounds and such.
Oh, that's IRL.
Gel Rounds from a Shotgun, now that'd smart and knock down a troll!
I always think shotguns need more love in SR4, so i statted beanbag rounds as a little better gell rounds.
Bean bag round
Shotgun round intended to disable or stun the person being shot at without killing him.
Bean bag rounds reduce the target’s Body by 3 when checking for knockdown.
Uses same ranges as shot rounds.
-(Stun) +2 6R 40
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The recoil on the weapon would be a real bitch too. Might even break a wrist!
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Really depends on the weight of the pistol its attached to. If its a mostly plastic automatic like modern glocks are then it would be horrendous, but if it were an all metal gun it shouldn't be too bad.
My grandpa used to have an old WW2 flare gun that had been modified to fire a 12 guage shell. It weighed considerably less than my .357 but the recoil on it wasn't much worse. At most, I'd say a +1 recoil modifier, but I wouldn't really even go that far since the Hatamoto II doesn't bother with it.
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sounds like a great way to break your wrist, unless your using .410 rounds.
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Here in the real world, the Confederate States of America issued around three thousand "pistols with underbarrel shotguns" to its cavalrymen and a few officers. The LeMat Revolver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeMat_Revolver) was a nine shot cap & ball black powder weapon, in .42 Ball, that had a single-shot 16 guage shotgun built in. I've had the pleasure of playing with a modern reproduction, albeit made with modern smokeless powder and calibers (specifically 20ga shotgun / .44 magnum) and it was a fine weapon, the handgun rounds were as controllable as any similar revolver when fired with one hand (actually, a little gentler with the extra weight and long cavalryman's barrel). The shotgun kicked quite a bit and I wasn't brave enough to try it one handed, but the weapon's owner showed me that it was quite possible if you knew what you were doing.
Mechanically, a Ruger Warhawk or Colt Deputy with an underbarrel Hachimoto would be the perfect way to represent the gun in SR4.
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I want a double barrel version of the Remington room-sweeper
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i want the double barrel Hachimoto (or any heavy pistol), styled something like this
(http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/arsenal-second-century-1911/wdouble4.jpg)
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I want a double barrel version of the Remington room-sweeper
Add a burst fire modification to the Remington Roomsweeper, see if your GM will allow you to remove its semiauto mode. Done.
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i want the double barrel Hachimoto (or any heavy pistol), styled something like this
<<insert photoshop>>
Because it would be so much fun clearing a Type I malfunction and a Type II malfunction at the same time... But why stop at two barrels when you can have the P333AT from Kel-Tec (http://blog.robballen.com/2012/03/13/p5475-a-breakthrough-in-powerful-concealed-carry-a-saam.post)!
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Because it would be so much fun clearing a Type I malfunction and a Type II malfunction at the same time... But why stop at two barrels when you can have the P333AT from Kel-Tec (http://blog.robballen.com/2012/03/13/p5475-a-breakthrough-in-powerful-concealed-carry-a-saam.post)!
From their quote "...just as reliable as our other guns on the market..." I take it that Kel-Tec guns are crap?
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Kel-Tec guns are, well... Kel-Tec is like the Hyundai of the gun world. They're a budget-priced brand, which means you get budget-priced quality control, fit and finish, and so forth. Mind you, Kel-Tec of 2012 is a much bigger company and has much better quality than Kel-Tec of 1992. But gun folks have long memories... we're still mocking HK for a catalog they published in the late `90s were the ammunition was loaded into the magazine backward, many of us are still miffed at Smith & Wesson for the trigger locks of the `90s, and... well... our worship of John Moses Browning (Praise Be Unto Him!) is kinda creepy.
I own an early production run P3AT, bought it used (with less than 50 rounds through it for 60% of retail!), and it had some failure to feed problems during my break in of it. The pistol was still under warranty, even though I wasn't the original owner, they fixed it for me pretty quick. It's very reliable and my daily carry. I've also been lusting after a KSG shotgun (http://olegvolk.net/blog/2011/05/25/magnolia/), which has been getting excellent reviews and might just be the most Shadowrun-y gun I've ever come across in real life.
Edit to Add: The RFB (http://olegvolk.net/blog/2011/07/05/another-way-to-set-up-keltec-rfb/) is also a very neat gun. Very hard to find though, massive backorder even years after it was released.
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I take it that Kel-Tec guns are crap?
Na, they just aren't great guns. If you want to see complete crap quality look no further than Hi-Point.
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I have to stop reading the forums as soon as I woke up, Ajax.
I was wondering where the hell you found a PIAT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIAT)!
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I take it that Kel-Tec guns are crap?
Na, they just aren't great guns. If you want to see complete crap quality look no further than Hi-Point.
Yeah. When a semi-auto 9mm runs like $150 or so, you know you're getting some quality issues. ;)
On the other hand, I've continued to hear nothing but good reviews of their carbines, for the money. I've never really heard anyone say anything positive about their actual pistols, but those carbines of theirs are -- by all accounts -- pretty solid for the cash. I know lots of guys who keep 'em as a trunk gun.
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i want the double barrel Hachimoto (or any heavy pistol), styled something like this
<<insert photoshop>>
*except it's not a photoshop.*
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/03/09/its-real-the-double-barrel-arsenal-1911/ (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/03/09/its-real-the-double-barrel-arsenal-1911/)