Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: FastJack on <09-04-10/0022:22>
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Now, I'm all about the commlinks ('natch). But I've noticed a two new trends in the PAN business:
[Arsenal, p. 58] (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=57423&filters=0_0_0_1700)
Personality Software - This bit of software can be installed on everything from your Commlink to your Panther Cannon to your Mr. Soykaf. Their are a bunch of 'official' personalities out there, plus a ton I've seen some hackers whip up (some guys REALLY like their soykaf with a Maria Mercurial purring about the temp of the water <shakes head>). It doesn't actually *make* your equipment more intelligent, but some runners live by it, saying that it makes their stuff more 'user-friendly'. Personally, I've seen enough AIs and Technomancer's sprites around the 'trix that I don't know if I want my equipment backtalking me. But what do I know? I'm old.
[Arsenal, p. 34] (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=57423&filters=0_0_0_1700)
Weapon Commlinks - What's the Razorguy to do when he doesn't want to lug around a hunk of plastic with all his info on it, but doesn't have room in his head to install the Commlink internally? Why, install it on his gun, of course. The obvious downside to this, is that you gotta carry your gun everywhere. But most sammies I know do that anyway (even to the Stuffer Shack at two in the afternoon - I swear, if I hear of another gun battle splattering foodstuffs everywhere, I'm going to shut down production of your favorite slushies for a year). And hey, if you include the Personality Software, you can finally live out that old Marine fantasy:
This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen. [/url]
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[Arsenal, p. 34] (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=57423&filters=0_0_0_1700)
Weapon Commlinks - What's the Razorguy to do when he doesn't want to lug around a hunk of plastic with all his info on it, but doesn't have room in his head to install the Commlink internally? Why, install it on his gun, of course. The obvious downside to this, is that you gotta carry your gun everywhere. But most sammies I know do that anyway (even to the Stuffer Shack at two in the afternoon - I swear, if I hear of another gun battle splattering foodstuffs everywhere, I'm going to shut down production of your favorite slushies for a year). And hey, if you include the Personality Software, you can finally live out that old Marine fantasy:
Commlink with a motorised tripod and a Barret Model 121 sniper rifle a couple hundred yards away in a window overseeing your extraction point can really get you out of a tough spot.
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[Arsenal, p. 34] (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=57423&filters=0_0_0_1700)
Weapon Commlinks - What's the Razorguy to do when he doesn't want to lug around a hunk of plastic with all his info on it, but doesn't have room in his head to install the Commlink internally? Why, install it on his gun, of course. The obvious downside to this, is that you gotta carry your gun everywhere. But most sammies I know do that anyway (even to the Stuffer Shack at two in the afternoon - I swear, if I hear of another gun battle splattering foodstuffs everywhere, I'm going to shut down production of your favorite slushies for a year). And hey, if you include the Personality Software, you can finally live out that old Marine fantasy:
Commlink with a motorised tripod and a Barret Model 121 sniper rifle a couple hundred yards away in a window overseeing your extraction point can really get you out of a tough spot.
Get your gearhead to add a Propulsion System [Arsenal, p. 152] and the fraggin' thing can fly, covering you from the air...
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Get your gearhead to add a Propulsion System [Arsenal, p. 152] and the fraggin' thing can fly, covering you from the air...
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Good point, altought the stealthier method is bit more confusing for your opposition, since they if don't know if you have an extra sniper on your team and don't know from what angle they should take you cover. Plus if you happen to have put your shinny new sniper/drone in a hotel room, you just happen to have a place to stay for things to cool down for the night without compromising your main crib. And please remove and replace the glass of the window your shooting from :D
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I just recommend upgrading the software on your gun (Smartlink™ plus Sensor and put a dog-brain Pilot on it)! Don't want to have to rely on sending a wireless command to fire the gun that could be jammed or, even worse, hacked (:P). Better to have it be able to choose targets and fire on its own.
Of course, the other problem is that once you put all that money into the gun, you're going to want a way to retrieve it. Which can get difficult if the opposition sends their people to the sniper's roost.
Heh... It might be cheaper just to hire your buddy with a sniper rifle.
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Ya... Pilot and smartlink is a must.
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But, really, do we want guns that are smarter than their sammies?
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But, really, do we want guns that are smarter than their sammies?
Its not hard to be that smart :D
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Most sammies I deal with may not have been born with much for brains, but they certainly had them installed after a couple paychecks...
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Yeah, I don't know how many times I've had sammies come up and apologize for previous behaviors/comments after they've gotten that encephalon microprocessor installed.
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Even after the upgrade they're still jellyfish brains, speaking from personal experience at least.
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I've been partial to the combat ax wielding troll ever sense they talked about it in I think second edtion.
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I've been a fan of folding submachine guns since I first heard of the real life Ares FMG. The Ares was copied by the Russians, and inspired the MagPul FMG-9.
Too bad the Shadowrun versions (first introduced in Arsenal) are worse than the real life weapons.
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Yeah but most of the weapons in real life don't translate well to Shadowrun.
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I love the Ares Thunderstruck Gauss Rifle (Arsenal p.30). For those who know about that gun, any ideas if it's possible to recharge the power pack with magic, like a controlled thunderbolt something like that?
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I don't recall anything about that in the rules. Certainly thinking outside of the box though! ;D
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I wouldn't consider that the same kinda of energy.
Just have a charger in your vehicle and carry spares.
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As a GM I would allow it if you went to the trouble and spent the karma to develop an new spell for the purpose
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Maybe but then again it could just be me haveing an issue with magic and tech working together.
Don't get me wrong I like both it's why I love Shadowrun but something were just not meant to be.
That said I build a Hacker/Mage in a sec!
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Thanks for your opinions guys.
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I will have to dig through my filing cabinet, I printed out a great article by Blackjack on this vary subject many years ago.
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Nice, that would be interesting.
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I've been partial to the combat ax wielding troll ever sense they talked about it in I think second edtion.
Yeah, this is a dangerous PC indeed.
Seriously, the troll PC in my game took out FIVE gangers with his shotgun and combat axe alone.
That bastard is getting APDS and an assault rifle next time!
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Yeah, this is a dangerous PC indeed.
Seriously, the troll PC in my game took out FIVE gangers with his shotgun and combat axe alone.
That bastard is getting APDS and an assault rifle next time!
...ouch! APDS rounds are strong as hell, your troll PC will make swiss cheese out of his ennemies.
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With all the talk about guns I feel the need to say something about my personal favorite piece of equipment. The oft forgotten and much under estimate knife. It's a tool, weapon, eating utensil, and best of all it never runs out of bullets/batteries. It can't be hacked and it never jams. ;)
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Plus they're easy to enchant ;D
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With all the talk about guns I feel the need to say something about my personal favorite piece of equipment. The oft forgotten and much under estimate knife. It's a tool, weapon, eating utensil, and best of all it never runs out of bullets/batteries. It can't be hacked and it never jams. ;)
I am reminded of a saying i heard somewhere: "Always bring a knife to a gunfight, just don't forget the gun." I think it was one of the wonderful people at Aegis Consulting (http://www.swordsmanship.net/).
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;D ;D The Emotitoy ;D ;D
Bonus Face points to everyone!!!
<<<------Runs away from the flames
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And I forgot to say what my favorite gear was.
I think I will have to say it is the Aztechnology Itzcóatl Gauss Cannon (Arsenal pg. 123) mostly because I like big guns, and I like gauss weapons.
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Some of my favorite gear...
Multi-tool
Mini-flashlight w/ IR LED illuminators
Waterproof stormproof lighter
White Noise Generator
Ceramic punch knife
4 oz. squeeze bottle filled w/ mixture of LV CryoOil & powdered teflon (1/3 surface tension of water: guaranteed to be loads of fun on smooth floors as you are running away from the security guards)
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With all the talk about guns I feel the need to say something about my personal favorite piece of equipment. The oft forgotten and much under estimate knife. It's a tool, weapon, eating utensil, and best of all it never runs out of bullets/batteries. It can't be hacked and it never jams. ;)
Listens to the sound advice from the wise sage.
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Some of my favorite gear...
Multi-tool
Mini-flashlight w/ IR LED illuminators
Waterproof stormproof lighter
White Noise Generator
Ceramic punch knife
4 oz. squeeze bottle filled w/ mixture of LV CryoOil & powdered teflon (1/3 surface tension of water: guaranteed to be loads of fun on smooth floors as you are running away from the security guards)
Love that last one!
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I do my fair share of mojo-slnging, and even have a lighting spell in my repertoire. But you just can't beat the good, old-fashioned flashlight. Outdated? Slightly. Conspicuous? Definitely. Useless? Oh ye of little imagination.
It's multiple uses include (but are by no means limited to) the following:
Lighting up a dark area
Code speaking
Blindness inducing device
Improvised club slapstick comedy devicel
Improvised concussion inducing device
Flashlight tag (Great as one of those "WTF are they doing?" distractions, and pretty darn funny)
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4 oz. squeeze bottle filled w/ mixture of LV CryoOil & powdered teflon (1/3 surface tension of water: guaranteed to be loads of fun on smooth floors as you are running away from the security guards)
Did you just give us a scientific version of the Grease spell?
AWESOME.
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Posted by: Inverse
I do my fair share of mojo-slnging, and even have a lighting spell in my repertoire. But you just can't beat the good, old-fashioned flashlight. Outdated? Slightly. Conspicuous? Definitely. Useless? Oh ye of little imagination.
It's multiple uses include (but are by no means limited to) the following:
Lighting up a dark area
Code speaking
Blindness inducing device
Improvised club slapstick comedy devicel
Improvised concussion inducing device
Flashlight tag (Great as one of those "WTF are they doing?" distractions, and pretty darn funny)
Good, from now on I won't underestimate the good ol' flashlight ;), those are good ways to use it, love the "WTF are they doing?" distraction usage XD
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For teh moment my favorite gear is my AA16. I'm looking forward to upgrading to a Panther XXL in the future. ;)
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Oddly enough, I really like the squirt guns.
Ares SuperSquirt (TM) + DMSO + [insert drug of choice here] = hilarity!
Hijinks ensue...
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A pair of deputies. Quick draw holsters hung low on the hip. Custom look so they know the next time they see them to run like hell, and the Gecko hands bioware doesn't hurt either.
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Wired Reflexes when you absolutely positively have to draw first and you gotta do it on a budget. +
Ares Predator in quick draw holster modded for burst fire with some recoil comp,smartlink and custom grips.
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4 oz. squeeze bottle filled w/ mixture of LV CryoOil & powdered teflon (1/3 surface tension of water: guaranteed to be loads of fun on smooth floors as you are running away from the security guards)
Did you just give us a scientific version of the Grease spell?
AWESOME.
The best that I have come up with at least.
Better Shadowrunning through chemistry!
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Hacking: Use a RFID tag as a router/decrypter so that when they come looking for you in the food court they beat the heck out of some corporate drone sitting 20 meters away.
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I like grenades. Of all kinds. I use them for everything. Attacks, distractions, door-making, 'interrogation' aides, escape hatch 'constructors' (stairs are for pansies, grenades can make nice drop holes in floors), everything. I drop them through vents, toss them out car windows, reverse pickpocket them onto people, pack cheap drones full of them for use as kamikazes. They're easier to conceal, carry, and set up than explosives and can be just as effective. And they're more versatile. You can't load explosives full of aerosolized hallucinogens and toss them at CorpSec.
I also love Bust-A-Moves. Those cheap pieces of crap can be modded in so many useful ways it's disgusting. I've used them as spies, bombs, killbots, distractions, everything.
I also enjoy tossing low-end commlinks around or into weird places to give hackers extra range.
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Wired Reflexes when you absolutely positively have to draw first and you gotta do it on a budget. +
Ares Predator in quick draw holster modded for burst fire with some recoil comp,smartlink and custom grips.
There is just something about meeting up some Corpsec who thinks he is top draw and playing by Bangkok rules. Trying doing it with a drake I lost my favorite coat that way.
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Posted by: Dead Monky
I like grenades. Of all kinds. I use them for everything. Attacks, distractions, door-making, 'interrogation' aides, escape hatch 'constructors' (stairs are for pansies, grenades can make nice drop holes in floors), everything. I drop them through vents, toss them out car windows, reverse pickpocket them onto people, pack cheap drones full of them for use as kamikazes. They're easier to conceal, carry, and set up than explosives and can be just as effective. And they're more versatile. You can't load explosives full of aerosolized hallucinogens and toss them at CorpSec.
I also love Bust-A-Moves. Those cheap pieces of crap can be modded in so many useful ways it's disgusting. I've used them as spies, bombs, killbots, distractions, everything.
I also enjoy tossing low-end commlinks around or into weird places to give hackers extra range.
Never thought about doing that with the commlinks, thanks :P
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I like grenades. Of all kinds. I use them for everything. Attacks, distractions, door-making, 'interrogation' aides, escape hatch 'constructors' (stairs are for pansies, grenades can make nice drop holes in floors), everything. I drop them through vents, toss them out car windows, reverse pickpocket them onto people, pack cheap drones full of them for use as kamikazes. They're easier to conceal, carry, and set up than explosives and can be just as effective. And they're more versatile. You can't load explosives full of aerosolized hallucinogens and toss them at CorpSec.
I also love Bust-A-Moves. Those cheap pieces of crap can be modded in so many useful ways it's disgusting. I've used them as spies, bombs, killbots, distractions, everything.
I also enjoy tossing low-end commlinks around or into weird places to give hackers extra range.
Now some of that sounds fun while others (the commlink) sounds usefull.
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Hmmm... Plant a commlink on the 'mark'. Might make it easier to hack his PAN....
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That too could be usefull
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I've always been partial to the Remington Roomsweeper. Point, shoot, instant red mist. Just don't play an elven decker (er, sorry, it's hacker nowadays, isn't it?) with a BOD and STR of 1 and a listed weight of 98 lbs. when you use it.
Poor Sparky went right over the rail after a particularly bad roll. Off the top of a Seattle high-rise. According to the GM, Sparky's death prompted more than one unfortunate cabby to go vegetarian.
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I've always been partial to the Remington Roomsweeper. Point, shoot, instant red mist. Just don't play an elven decker (er, sorry, it's hacker nowadays, isn't it?) with a BOD and STR of 1 and a listed weight of 98 lbs. when you use it.
Poor Sparky went right over the rail after a particularly bad roll. Off the top of a Seattle high-rise. According to the GM, Sparky's death prompted more than one unfortunate cabby to go vegetarian.
hahahaha, poor guy, i'm sure he regretted his choice of weapon while he was falling, or even better, maybe he thought something like "Woooohoooo that was aweso.....wait isn't that the grou..Splat!"
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[ "Woooohoooo that was aweso.....wait isn't that the grou..Splat!"
Thats is just too funny not to applaud!
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Well thank you ;D
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Favorite piece of equipment at the moment: Ultrasound headware. Frag you, "I cast improved invisibility" mages! To be precise, frag you with a narrow burst ExEx ;D
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Favorite piece of equipment at the moment: Ultrasound headware. Frag you, "I cast improved invisibility" mages! To be precise, frag you with a narrow burst ExEx
What self respecting mage casts only improved invisibility? Silence negates ultrasound. But of course it would get fuzzed out anyway by all the screaming when my fire elemental finds you. ;D
Going back to my love of grenades, another fun thing is disguising them. Most folks won't flee from an EMP grenade, so a frag grenade dressed up to look like one can make for a nasty surprise. You can also dress them up like cheap commlinks or 'discarded' guns and toss them at the enemy. They tend to shoot at links though, fear of hackers and all. The trick really only works once, but when you're dealing with grenades once is usually enough.
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Favorite piece of equipment at the moment: Ultrasound headware. Frag you, "I cast improved invisibility" mages! To be precise, frag you with a narrow burst ExEx
What self respecting mage casts only improved invisibility? Silence negates ultrasound. But of course it would get fuzzed out anyway by all the screaming when my fire elemental finds you. ;D
Going back to my love of grenades, another fun thing is disguising them. Most folks won't flee from an EMP grenade, so a frag grenade dressed up to look like one can make for a nasty surprise. You can also dress them up like cheap commlinks or 'discarded' guns and toss them at the enemy. They tend to shoot at links though, fear of hackers and all. The trick really only works once, but when you're dealing with grenades once is usually enough.
You're beginning to worry me, Monky.
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You're beginning to worry me, Monky.
Why? I'm harmless. Just horrifyingly creative.
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There is nothing better than setting C4 on the ceiling. Nothing by far.
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Make C4 and claymores PART of the ceiling, thats the way to go (and the walls. And the floor. And some parts of the furniture). Old character of mine used to do this... I miss him... hmmmmm
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You want to set up some fun. Monowire trip line across a doorway. The others had to buy new legs but worth it.
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Monowire is great. I like setting up monowire tripwire linked to mines or grenades. That way, if the massive blood loss doesn't off them, the bomb will.
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Monkey I like your style. You ever come to the southwest look me up.
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Monkey I like your style. You ever come to the southwest look me up.
Will do. It'll be monowire and grenades for everyone! :D
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Monkey I like your style. You ever come to the southwest look me up.
Will do. It'll be monowire and grenades for everyone! :D
Just don't trip when carrying the stuff. ;)
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Just don't trip when carrying the stuff.
If you see an enormous explosion coming from the direction of the Southwest, you'll know I have. ;D
EDIT
Fixed my typos.
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@Monkey and Tex You guys stay away from west Texas. (or at least warn me so I can evac the family) :P
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Just don't trip when carrying the stuff.
If you see an enormous explosive coming from the direction of the Southwest, you'll know I have. ;D
If you see that you know we are partying hard. ;D
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I had an idea for a drone swinging around a set of four monowire whips like a weed whacker.
Good times...Good times.
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Why am I thinking of the movie "Braindead" right now?
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Why am I thinking of the movie "Braindead" right now?
Don't know but never seen it.
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I like DMSO alot. I also like to build stupid weapons like a shotgun with an under barrell shotgun, or a Ares Thunderstruck Gauss Rifle with an under barrell Stoner-Ares M107. Ive also had a lot of fun with the edit program but you probably ont need to hear about that...
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Aside from my extensive selection of firearms, blades, and body armor; my favorite piece of gear is an old fasioned paper little black book with my numerous contacts for every little occasion.
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I had an idea for a drone swinging around a set of four monowire whips like a weed whacker.
Good times...Good times.
Had a guy in 2nd edition make a drone that rotated on the ground in a circle while advanceing and it had mono whips in it he called the ankle biter
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Friend of mine wanted to have monwire coming from his hand razors. never got around to making it
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I heard about someone wanting to replace their hair with monowire. I don't know the story, but I imagine it ended with him either:
1) being talked out of it or
2) self decapitation.
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Jeez, first time he gets frustrated and runs his fingers through his hair...
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Monowirehair - when visiting a Trollmetal concert turns into multiple homocide with a corus.
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Why am I thinking of the movie "Braindead" right now?
Because that movie is awesome.
I just thought of something to try: Making a monowire net for the net launcher. It'd be like one of the traps from Cube. God I love that movie.
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Monowirehair - when visiting a Trollmetal concert turns into multiple homocide with a corus.
this had my whole team pissing themselves.
I once had a character with razor wire in their 30cm high mohawk. and fiberoptic pubes.
btw does anyone know if you can smartlink a penile implant
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I don't see why not. Though I also don't see why. Well, I do. I'm just trying not to think about it.
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Hey women are always saying men need to learn to aim..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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just for the fun of it. plus it'd probs help with aiming and other stuff......
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The "fun of it"? Penis surgery? You have an interesting definition of "fun."
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Another idea has been fed to me by my dark master: a monowire-grenade bola. Take a monowire bola and replace the weights at the ends with grenades.
Enemy has severed legs but not dead yet? Worry Not! Shrapnel hitting them at three times the speed of sound from six inches away will solve that. Order now to qualify for our special Super-Psycho Super Saver Plan! Operators are standing by.
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You are one SICK Monky!
<scribbles notes on monowire-grenad bola for campaign>
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Use different grenades all timed with code by the hacker you toss it the flash bank goes off blinding them then a thermal smoke goes off to keep them blind then the bola hits the target and the high explosive one (s) go off!
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You are one SICK Monky!
Thank you. ;D
Use different grenades all timed with code by the hacker you toss it the flash bank goes off blinding them then a thermal smoke goes off to keep them blind then the bola hits the target and the high explosive one (s) go off!
Nice. You could also use gas grenades loaded with shrike nanites or Pepper Punch. The Punch would feel great in their leg stumps.
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Glad to help Monkey
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Why am I thinking of the movie "Braindead" right now?
Because that movie is awesome.
I just thought of something to try: Making a monowire net for the net launcher. It'd be like one of the traps from Cube. God I love that movie.
That movie is awesome, have you seen the other ones or only the first?
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What other ones?
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Cube2: Hypercube (include some time and space traps also this time)
and Cube Zero (which is the story of how it all began, a prequel if you prefer)
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Oh, you were talking about Cube. I thought you meant Brain Dead, which has no sequels. I've seen all the others and I don't much care for them. Cube 2 had an interesting premise but a terrible execution. Cube Zero was okay, I guess.
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Oh, you were talking about Cube. I thought you meant Brain Dead, which has no sequels. I've seen all the others and I don't much care for them. Cube 2 had an interesting premise but a terrible execution. Cube Zero was okay, I guess.
Pretty much agree with you, best one is the first and maybe it whould have stayed the only one. The concept is good though.
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this had my whole team pissing themselves.
Glad to be of service ;D
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tbh i dont understand why KE dont have something in the key of robocop to patrol the barrens.
I quite like the combination of shiva arms and two handed swords such as the claymore. particularly when said character is a troll with the beserk quality
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tbh i dont understand why KE dont have something in the key of robocop to patrol the barrens.
Because it doesn't pay. Most people in the Barrens probably dont pay any taxes, so KE doesnt make money by patrolling their hoods. Containment is so much easier.
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Now this goes way back, all the way to the very first run I ever did in 1st Edition beta test. I had the mildly off center Dwarven Street Sammie. I'd spent the money to give him a plain old medium machine gun and a gryro mount. Nothing special, but he refused to part with it. Why is that a favorite?
It wasn't until the Rat Shaman cast an illusion on it to make it look like a three foot candy cane....
"Check all your guns at the door!" says the Troll at the bar where we are meeting Mr. Johnson.
"Forgive my dwarven friend, he thinks he's one of Santa's Elves." says the Rat Shaman.
Ten minutes later a team comes in to try and off our Mr. Johnson.
Eye witness report given to Lone Star, "Then this dwarf started shooting his giant candy cane and all hell broke loose."
No one ever questioned the Dwarf carrying the MG ever again.
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ROFLMAO :D
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A good piece of gear a former chum of mine (who was 15 at the time) could have used, a better door. He was a new character, an Ork Sammie, was "at home sleeping in bed". OK no problem. Then, the GM announces "two thugs bust your door open, what do you do?" To which said Sammie sez "Who are you?", and nothing else.
His uncle, another player in the game, jokingly yells "SMITH AND WESSON". We all stop, laugh, and like Mills Lane says "I will Allow it!", and proceedes to have the two thugs fill our poor newb sammie full of high speed projectiles.
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tbh i dont understand why KE dont have something in the key of robocop to patrol the barrens.
Because it doesn't pay. Most people in the Barrens probably dont pay any taxes, so KE doesnt make money by patrolling their hoods. Containment is so much easier.
In my games KE does have something not entirely like Robocop patrolling the barrens, just not officially and for a very broad definition of "patrolling." They use the barrens as a testing ground for some of their nastier tech including drones.
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A good piece of gear a former chum of mine (who was 15 at the time) could have used, a better door. He was a new character, an Ork Sammie, was "at home sleeping in bed". OK no problem. Then, the GM announces "two thugs bust your door open, what do you do?" To which said Sammie sez "Who are you?", and nothing else.
His uncle, another player in the game, jokingly yells "SMITH AND WESSON". We all stop, laugh, and like Mills Lane says "I will Allow it!", and proceedes to have the two thugs fill our poor newb sammie full of high speed projectiles.
Rule around the table is never say anything you don't want to happen in game.
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Rule around the table is never say anything you don't want to happen in game.
Pretty much, but to be fair, the encounter didnt leave and perminent damage, our mage healed him up right away. But it was a funny intro to the Sixth World.
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I desided I'm changing my answer. My favorite piece o gear is... my Runner party. Nothing I have can cover my back (except armor), but that can't warn me if someone sneaking into my 6. My slap patch won't do me any good if I'm uncon & bleeding to death. No My party is my most valuable piece of equipment.
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My favorite piece of gear? My armor. I've seen what happens to runners without it. Always wear armor!
And while your crew can cover your @$$, they can also get you killed. Trusting anyone too much will get you killed.
If you want to rely on something, rely on your own wits and ability. And if you don't have those... a good knife will suffice.
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Or in my case a sweet Damascus Steel Axe!
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Nice. Yeah, those combat axes are something to watch out for.
To fight something like that I use this:
x2 Melee Hardened Pistols 6p -2AP SA
Wired Reflexes R1
Pistols 6
Clubs 4
Martial arts: Firefight R2 Reduce the ranged combat “attacker in melee combat” modifier by 2.
Two Weapon Style: A character using this maneuver has trained to wield a second
melee weapon in his off hand. In order to use two weapons, each
weapon must have a Reach of 0 or 1.
The character may choose to apply the Full Defense option
using only one of these weapons, attacking with the other weapon
as normal (and without sacrificing an action). The defense or attack
action with the off -hand weapon suffers the standard –2 off -hand
weapon modifier.
Riposte: A character with Riposte who successfully parries or blocks
a melee combat attack may make an immediate attack on his attacker,
even if it is not her Action Phase in the turn. Making a riposte is considered
an interrupt action, however, and uses up the character’s next available action.
Clinch: This maneuver allows the character to step inside an opponent’s reach and get
up close and personal. The character can choose to make a melee attack and if successful,
she engages her opponent in a clinch rather than dealing damage. While clinched, both characters’
Reach bonuses are negated. To break the clinch and move away, a character must succeed at a
Strength + Body Opposed Test, which costs a Complex Action.
And if start to lose I thermal smoke grenade and jam it. Heh.
While this isn't the strongest I think it's a pretty damn cool way to fight.
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I swing my Axe. What, it's worked for over 30 years. ;D :-*
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Yeah. I just have an overdeveloped sense of style. I can respect the directness of an axe, but it has never suited me.
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Sounds like my brother used to be. He developed 'spell strings' he preplanned for D&D and wrote em down on 3x5s. So he could remember em all. God he was a wonderful Analretentave gaming master!
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Style develops over time. My very first PC, Party Animal the Dwarven Sammie, had two basic solutions to everything.
1- Machine Gun, if no machine gun Ares Predator. Repeat until dead.
2- Guns don't work, apply 1/4 pound pre made plastique shape charge. Repeat as needed.
Needless to say he didn't get taken on missions requiring subtly.
Later on I went in many "style" directions to explore the game and have fun, but one can never fully discount the simplicity of "Shoot or Boom, either way it's gonna die"
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Scariest player i have ever encountered was one of our soldiers in Germany, she is 100% Comanche and is a certified level 3 unarmed combat through the army, she personally had about 9 years Aikido...she was bad. Well she loved shadowrun because of what they did with the NAN so she made a Mystic adept who used bows (yeah i dare you to poke fun at her)
In one of the runs, the GM had this pimped out street samurai that had this amazing don't mess with me rep....she one shoted this buffoon while saying "F&^k you lone ranger, tanto ain't your bitch no longer" Turned out this guy was all delta grad, poor GM did not know what to say!
On a side note in a meeting 1SG ask the platoon sergeant about why she was fast tracked to her strips he was like, 1SG i am sick of her intimidating my sergeants, they can't get her to control her temper so it was either this or we kick her out....and tell you the truth if you want to kick her out you can tell it to her face, i sure the hell am not going to!
Edit: i was just sitting in on the game, didn't have time to play...but it got me thinking about it so here i am now :)
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Inline skates, nothing says "Frag you" like a roll by fireballing. 8)
The smart pack/pouches are pretty handy.
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except a fly by fireballing
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My brothers Troll 'muscle' is quite the bowler. Not only does he throw strikes on the lanes... he's a hell of a shot at 15m with his 16lb ball.
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thats what im talkin bout.
ive come to love the idea of ejector seats on a bike, also improved entry and exit points on a bike.
pointless, but funny
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And rocket boosters. Put rocket boosters on it.
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our team had a tricked out bulldog stepvan that was our tech-whiz/face's pride and joy.....until the GM blew it up with about 5K of C12 on the gas tank as a warning
i mean this thing was so tricked out i made the TMNT party wagon look tame....not to mention smart paint and morphing liscense plate, i think the GM hated it because it gave the tech whiz more dice for a lot of his tests
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our team had a tricked out bulldog stepvan that was our tech-whiz/face's pride and joy.....until the GM blew it up with about 5K of C12 on the gas tank as a warning
i mean this thing was so tricked out i made the TMNT party wagon look tame....not to mention smart paint and morphing liscense plate, i think the GM hated it because it gave the tech whiz more dice for a lot of his tests
Y'know what's cool... The fact that you can now add "Personality" software to your equipment. So you CAN make Knight Rider. ;D
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our team had a tricked out bulldog stepvan that was our tech-whiz/face's pride and joy.....until the GM blew it up with about 5K of C12 on the gas tank as a warning
i mean this thing was so tricked out i made the TMNT party wagon look tame....not to mention smart paint and morphing liscense plate, i think the GM hated it because it gave the tech whiz more dice for a lot of his tests
Yeah, why let a player/character keep something they spent a ton of money and time on, if you can just blow it up instead of doing your damn job and incorporating it into the campaign so everybody has fun with it... god I hate GMs like that.
*ahem* Sorry about that rant.
Y'know what's cool... The fact that you can now add "Personality" software to your equipment. So you CAN make Knight Rider. ;D
Man, I must have been drunk or something. Takes an old dude to push me onto this ;D
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our team had a tricked out bulldog stepvan that was our tech-whiz/face's pride and joy.....until the GM blew it up with about 5K of C12 on the gas tank as a warning
i mean this thing was so tricked out i made the TMNT party wagon look tame....not to mention smart paint and morphing liscense plate, i think the GM hated it because it gave the tech whiz more dice for a lot of his tests
Yeah, why let a player/character keep something they spent a ton of money and time on, if you can just blow it up instead of doing your damn job and incorporating it into the campaign so everybody has fun with it... god I hate GMs like that.
*ahem* Sorry about that rant.
Y'know what's cool... The fact that you can now add "Personality" software to your equipment. So you CAN make Knight Rider. ;D
Man, I must have been drunk or something. Takes an old dude to push me onto this ;D
Heh... what's really fun is that you can add the Personality to your gun too. So, next time you see a Sammie talking to his Vera, she just might talk back.
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And just think of the look on the Sammies face when he grabs a fallen gun and gun pops up with an AR face telling him "to get the frag offa my back or I'ma bust a cap in yo ass, muthafragga, I ain't ya bitch!" ;D
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Your gun talks like Dolemite?
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oh he made losing the van part of the story line as we shifted from "Queen Euphoria" towards "Bug City" like it was one of our contacts, a lot of which we lost He had worked with it for a while, the problem was the guy was a power gamer and a rules lawyer who had worked things so that he had like 21 dice on certain tests making them stupid easy, doing it from the van upped the dice somehow that i dont remember.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think you can legally get more than 20. I think I read that its either 20 or your attribute plus your skill multiplied by two. Whichever comes first.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think you can legally get more than 20. I think I read that its either 20 or your attribute plus your skill multiplied by two. Whichever comes first.
That's actually an optional rule for capping skills (see here for the complete discussion (http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=623.0)).
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As usual I don't know what I'm talking about. Sorry.
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Sorry, I didn't mean it to come across like that.
But hey, that's why we're all here, right? To learn and hone our skills! ;D
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No fault of yours. I've just been kinda an idiot lately. Reciting rules to people from my cruddy memory from a game that I'm new to... that would be an example.
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Y'know what's cool... The fact that you can now add "Personality" software to your equipment. So you CAN make Knight Rider. ;D
Or grenades that say things like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVuPUY9D-A). 8)
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New favorite piece of gear Gecko-Grip bioware. Really useful with Firefight martial arts style. My deputies also help.
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I would suggest a simple lanyard instead of gecko-grip. doesn't look as good, but you can also employ it as a garrote while still shooting at your enemies.
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I would suggest a simple lanyard instead of gecko-grip. doesn't look as good, but you can also employ it as a garrote while still shooting at your enemies.
Yeah but the gecko-grip is handy when trying to palm or steal something. Being a bounty hunter it helps on making a collar.
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My new favorite piece of cyberware is the Radar Sensor. It's simply wonderful for .3 essense it can see through rating x4 walls, see invisible and camoflaged people, and makes a 3d map of the area. I can't believe I kept overlooking it until my last character.
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angel, you are a godsend. please tell me what book this is found in. It just became a must have for most of my characters.
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Radar Sensor is in Augmentation, p 36.
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Grr... can't belive it took me this long to try to reply stupid internet. >:( Thanks FastJack. Your welcome Mach.
As a side note I was wrong about the barrier rating it's rating x5. The range is 100 meters.
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Which is why I banned this from my groups. Plain ridiculous, kills way to many chances for surprises.
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My new favorite piece of cyberware is the Radar Sensor. It's simply wonderful for .3 essense it can see through rating x4 walls, see invisible and camoflaged people, and makes a 3d map of the area. I can't believe I kept overlooking it until my last character.
For .25 essence you can get a cyberhand or cyberfoot. Then you can fit the Radar and 1) an Orientation System for automapping purposes, a Biomonitor and any number of Autoinjectors to do things like flood you with a hit of Guts when you get hit with the Fear power, or 2) you could get a Nanohive for all the fun nanites out there. Oxyrush, O-cells, NANs. So much goodness to have.
A little bit of chrome can go a long way.. :D
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For .25 essence you can get a cyberhand or cyberfoot. Then you can fit the Radar and
Troll Runner: "Hang on my boots interfering with my radar..."
TR: "Ah, better. Okay there's someone hiding behind the corner."
Elf Mage: "Gack...."
Human Hacker: "Erk..."
Dwarf Rigger (Made his resist toxin rolls): "Um, man I don't think we need to worry about anything, your smelly feet just killed the Hacker. What ever is behind that corner has probably passed out."
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I've gotta admit, I'm partial to the ceramic bone lacing and UZI IV for gear. Though there is something down-right funny crushing a Troll's pelvis with a power loader for a hand.
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Mine is the Ares Predator IV. They can keep versioning these puppies for each new Edition. :)
Backup is the Savalette Guardian.
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As far as non weapons or cyberware gear goes i think would be my contact lenses that are augmented with smartlink vision, ultrasound vision, thermo graphic vision, and flare compensation. otherwise it'd be the RFID tag eraser, best way to not leave a trail when moving around, at least to the more passive versions of surveillance mix it with a chameleon suit and you've got a solid evasion method.
Cyberware wise, I really like the sleep regulator, only needing 3 hours of sleep can make all the difference. As a shadowrunner, you never know when KE might be coming through your door, or that yak boss who crossed last week. when you need to escape, or your on the run, rest isn't something easy to come by.
As for weapons, a shock glove for the up close and personal touch, and for guns, an FN P93 Practor Lowlight EF that I upgraded with a folding stock, chameleon coating, extended clip standard, integral smartgun, melee hardening, personalized grip, foregrip, sound suppressor, and a sling. put altogether and they've made my character's life an fair amount easier.
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I see there's a lot of gun talk. So i'll post without guns:
1. A helmet. Seriously, keep it on, and fit it with a lot of stuff - goggles, earbuds, all upgraded.
2. A knife. You don't even need to stab people with it. It's a really good tool.
3. A jammer. You never know when it will come in handy, and if someone hacks your cyberarm, you just flick the switch.
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Urban Explorer armor with a helmet and ruthenium coating. Better armor than the chameleon suit, better mod capacity, same price (+50 for the helmet).
Any sort of gecko mod. The wearable gloves have some pretty sizable drawbacks but the biomod and/or Changeling quality versions are very sweet.
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Government 2066 with Lasersight, Easy Breakdown and Internal Silencer ;D
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Government 2066 with Lasersight, Easy Breakdown and Internal Silencer ;D
A personal favorite of mine as well.
Beats millimeter scans.
Hard as hell to hear.
It's everywhere you're not supposed to be.
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Government 2066 with Lasersight, Easy Breakdown and Internal Silencer ;D
A personal favorite of mine as well.
Beats millimeter scans.
Hard as hell to hear.
It's everywhere you're not supposed to be.
Plus the point of recoil reduction. Some people rather go for smartgun, but if you have to quickly assemble it and afterwards have to calibrate it, most of the pros are gone.
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You know piece of gear I never leave home without? A respirator. Those things are handy.
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A little red wagon... full of grenades ;D
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Flashbangs. We killed a few corps once in 2nd ed by throwing Flashbangs on their head as they covered below. :P
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You know piece of gear I never leave home without? A respirator. Those things are handy.
Sixth world pollution is bad enough that most folks don't leave home without one. ;)
Personally, I love the full gasmask (or the internal air tank.) Because then I can use Breathtaker.
Honestly, Breathtaker is my favorite thing.
Breathtaker
Vector: Inhalation
Speed: 1 Combat Turn
Penetration: 0
Power: 8
Effect: Stun Damage, Breathlessness (see below)
This nonlethal crowd control agent is derived from endothelin
and tachykinin peptides. It causes the muscles around the lungs to
restrict, severely inhibiting the victim’s ability to breathe. The effect
of breathlessness is similar to agony (p. 130, Augmentation); the
character suffers a –1 wound modifier for every point of Power that
is unresisted. If the unresisted Power exceeds the target’s Willpower,
he is incapacitated by his struggle for breath. Breathtaker has been
criticized for sometimes sending victims into convulsions or
causing death with asthmatics. Characters with internal air tank
cyberware or oxyrush nanoware are immune to breathtaker’s effects;
characters with extended volume receive extra dice on their
Toxin Resistance Test equal to the bioware’s rating.
for reference, "endothelin and tachykinin peptides" are responsible for vasoconstriction in the lungs and the triggering of massive pain response, respectively. So, basically, Breathaker gives you an athsma attack and kicks you in the balls. It's certainly one way to win an argument... with a crowd of hundreds...
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A little red wagon... full of grenades ;D
That too.
Personally, I love the full gasmask (or the internal air tank.) Because then I can use Breathtaker.
Honestly, Breathtaker is my favorite thing.
I'm partial to Warp myself. Getting the enemy tripping their balls off is effective and hilarious.
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Which is why I banned this from my groups. Plain ridiculous, kills way to many chances for surprises.
Well it eliminates all chances of quiet sneaking in by the party too, when one character is singnaling their location at all times.
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Infiltration vs Stealth still works fine. Sure the Infiltrator loses the benefit of their chameleon suit but the radar equipped guy has fewer applicable bonuses to radar based perception. Also keep in mind that internal corp facility falls are probably Barrier 11 (9-13) between the wall, the wiring and plumbing inside of it and the wall on the other side. So every individual wall between radar boy and the target defeats about 2 rating points of radar. Then there's jammers. . .
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Again, wifi-negating paint will make radar useless in lots of corp facilities. A signal rating of 2 means that a bit of that good old lead paint will stop it cold.
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You'd think that all the HVAC, conduit, and wiring in the average corp building would interfere with it a bit as well. Or at least the low end ones.
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You'd think that all the HVAC, conduit, and wiring in the average corp building would interfere with it a bit as well. Or at least the low end ones.
It does if it has barrier rating.
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Yeah, there's a reason during a initial external reconnaissance of the target facility, the last thing my character often does is aim a radar pulse at the building. To see the reaction. If there's a definite reaction, he knows for sure not to use the radar on the actual run.
Even if there is no response, it's a good idea to kee the radar use to a minimum. You never know.
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You'd think that all the HVAC, conduit, and wiring in the average corp building would interfere with it a bit as well. Or at least the low end ones.
It does if it has barrier rating.
It always has a barrier rating, even if that rating is only a handful of points.
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And once you hit Barrier Rating=Radar Rating*5, no more see-through. Since the max rating is 4, you'll generally be able to see the next room but not the one behind it. Remember that seeing around the corner of a hall requires seeing through two walls. I can't really draw one in ASCII but draw a T intersection, put a dot in the bottom hall and a dot in the right hall. Draw a line between them and you'll see what I mean.
Edit: Which means that an Adept's Motion Sense and/or Mana Sense can be as useful or more useful in enclosed spaces
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It also makes ultrasound much more useful, as sound dampening is as rare as radar dampening, and the two are ridiculously expensive to put together. Granted, for an ultra-secure location this isn't an issue, but most places will only have a minimal mix of the two.
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I feel I need to add this one. I have an....obsession with the Dodge Scoot. My whole group does. I don't know why, but all of us (and especially me) find the thing hilarious and are obsessed with stealing them, destroying them, and turning them into Frankenstein deathmobiles. The player of our hacker once had him go out of his way to steal one, then randomly decided to dump it in a ditch and set it on fire while shooting it with his SMG. The rigger has cobbled together evil abominations of fun and terror from them, such as the much beloved and insane SuiScoot. And we once had a session that was little more than our characters driving a bunch of stolen Dodge Scoots around in an alley crashing them into garbage cans, jousting, jumping them off ramps, running them over with the hacker's Bulldog, peeling out the troll's Scorpion on them, and having my mage levitate them through people's windows. Why? I don't know.
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Create a shadowrunner who lost his parents in a scoot-bomb explosion. :D
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Ironically, that shadowrunner will always be blaming the "evil monkey that lives in his closet" for everything that goes wrong in his life...
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Reminds me of the four-man runner team made up entirely of quadriplegic Technomancers in advanced cargo versions of the Daihatsu-Caterpillar Horseman personal utility vehicles. The 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse.
A starting TM with Command threaded to 12 can use those mechanical arms to take any default-able action with a minimum of 11 dice, and each of them is protected with 20 hardened armor from their Rigger Cocoons. BEWARE.
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I've actually had one character that used the Scoot as something other than a theft fixation, object of amusement, or bomb. She was a crazed, hyperactive technomancer who drove around a pimped out Dodge Scoot with chameleon coating that cascaded rainbow colors across it.
And if anyone's wondering, the SuiScoot is a Dodge Scoot with rocket boosters, engine augmentations (speed and acceleration), racing tires, and a minigun mounted on the front. Yes, I realize that's too many mod slots. I don't care. I allowed it because it was awesome. And deadly! For both the rider and everyone else. :D
We currently have one in the works with gecko grip tires, motorcycle stabilization (or whatever it's called), and improved handling. That baby will drive across walls or the walls will become floors. Dammit!
EDIT
Fixed punctuation.
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Wall-riding scooter. Monky, that's made of awesome. :)
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I'm imagining that scene from Daywatch where a car is driven along the side of an apartment building and a lady is cleaning the inside of her windows as it drifts along outside of her place leaving muddy tracks. The look on her face is great... you can't tell if she's wondering how the car got up there in the first place or how she's going to clean her windows of the mess.
Darn, now I have to do that...
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(A bit of thread necromancy, I know, but I'm new to the forums and this is the thread that led me here. :P)
I have a few favorite pieces of gear. My number one favorite has to be a splash grenade loaded with laxatives. The delay with most compounds is the time it takes for it to reach saturation in the bloodstream, so the DMSO deals with that nicely. It neatly incapacitates many opponents without rendering them unconscious, allowing you to interrogate them immediately after the firefight. I personally find that waving a counter-agent over their faces while they struggle with gastric distress to be an excellent motivator in these situations. I do, however, recommend that you invest in a good set of nasal filters, of course. It also has the added irony of literally giving your enemies the sh-. ;D
Another favorite of mine is a custom Nexus, for all your hacking needs. Load it up into a suitable transport and slave your entire team's 'links to it for optimum network security, by forcing opposing hackers to deal with your firewalls instead of whatever second-rate system your sammie is running. Unlike 'links, a good nexus can run all available programs at the highest available ratings, all at the same time, and still have processing power to spare to run several agents for added NetSec. It has the added benefit of also being able to run a centralized tac-net for your team, as well. Seriously, people. Hacking with your 'links is like somebody trying to hack a system using their i-Phone, pre-crash 1.0. :o
Lastly, I've always had a soft spot for disguised AR gloves, available for twice the price of normal ones. "Disguised as what?", I hear you ask. Why, as a normal pair of gloves, of course. Throw in a skin-link while you're at it, and you have something that not only allows you to interact 'physically' with AR objects, but is also both stylish and a handy way to avoid leaving fingerprints at the scene. ;)
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Oh, I just remembered two more.
One is ANY smartgun, but with a twist. The twist is that the character doesn't have a smartlink implanted, nor do they use a smarlink in their glasses/goggles/contacts or whatever. Just an image link. Where's the smartlink? Why, in the smartgun system itself, actually. Every smartgun incorporates a small camera that can receive any vision enhancement, even a smartlink. I just like the idea that, provided you can conceal your gun, no amount of searching you or your other gear will find a trace of this restricted equipment.
A related version is the smart rifle. Take a sport rifle or sniper rifle, and install the smart-link in the scope. Disable it's wireless connectivity and turn off your comm-link for radio invisibility in an age where everyone seems to like to find the sammie simply through the locate node action.
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Handcuffs and binders of all types, very useful. Monowire as well (The stuff we use today, not the Mono-molecular stuff.). Stealth Rope.
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11 Foot Telescoping Pole.
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elephant + dart rifle + blood of kali
Upgraded version
give elephant implanted biomonitor and cover it with C12 set to go off when it dies or falls unconscious
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My absolute favorite thing that evey one of my runners has now is and Auto-injector and biomonitor installed in their armor. My current character is running with that thing loaded with R6 stim chemicals and the flavor of the month combat drug.
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Handcuffs and binders of all types, very useful. Monowire as well (The stuff we use today, not the Mono-molecular stuff.). Stealth Rope.
"You and your fuckin' rope"
My favorite piece of gear has to be rope, any kind of rope and all kinds of rope. Its so multi-purpose. Can make everything from hammocks to hangmen's noose. Its all useful.
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Chameleon suit. They don't work for every concept, they are illiegal and really expensive.. but the Ghost in the Shell thermoptic camofloge has become too much of a part of cyberpunk to me to not think it's frigging awesome.
Likewise, snaking a fiberoptic cable around corners and under doors while moving quietly though a building is fun in a Tom Clancy's Shadowrun kind of way.
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Monofiliment flail with a 5 stun shocker head Half the danger twice the fun of a monowhip
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For some reason I'm a huge fan of the Elephant Rifle.
I like to toss an underbarrel dart rifle on it so that I have high physical stopping power and a wide range of adaptability with toxins.
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I'm a huge fan of the Revolution. Just reminds me of rolling down a hill in a tractor tire like I did when I was a kid.
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A disposable commlink receiving all the spam (and suckering in the opposition hacker) while my own is hidden and my gear uses skinlinks.
Map data- and knowsofts. It's a great thing to have an up-to-date architect's mapsoft of the complex you're going through, shooting into sensitive systems, cutting into walls at just the point necessary to mess up the opposition. It's an even greater thing to not have to figure out your escape route ahead of time, but use your map knowsoft to use shortcuts and double-backs the opposition didn't even know were there...
Dikote. Okay, so it hasn't come back yet, but everything else has an armor-piercing something -- APDS or AV. Limit it to gun barrels (+1d for accuracy at Long and Extreme range), hard steel engine parts (+1d against overheating and such), and edged melee weapons (-4 AP, like other weapons). Remember that at Ą1 / cm2 and that you have to dikote the entire surface of whatever part it is, dikoting your rifle barrel will cost you Ą3-4000, your katana will run you Ą8000, and your engine block will go for something like Ą45,000...
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There is a reason Dikote isn't in 4th edition :P Hopefully SnS will go the way way in 5th.
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There is a reason Dikote isn't in 4th edition :P Hopefully SnS will go the way way in 5th.
Yes -- because it got abused. You restrict the abusiveness and let it be put to use as it was meant to be.
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Which means GM fiat in every situation it comes up in. Too much headache IMO.
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Which means GM fiat in every situation it comes up in. Too much headache IMO.
Err, no. You write it in the rules description for the item. You become specific. Something to the effect of
Dikote's high temperatures can only be used to coat high-quality steel and ceramic engines, gun barrels, and edged weapons. In the case of engines, it gives +1 die to resisting damage from overheating and friction, such as can be found in deserts or endurance races. In the case of gun barrels, it adds +1 die only to counter the range penalties at long and extreme ranges; if vision magnification is being used to negate range penalties, the bonus die is also negated. In the case of edged weapons, it applies a -4 AP modifier to the weapon.
Little else can withstand the several-thousand-degree temperatures necessary to apply the nanothin film; bullets melt, armor burns or melts, etc. etc. Other applications may be possible subject to GM interpretation, but generally less durable things are ruined during application.
And for things like conventions and Missions, only the durability / slightly increased long-range accuracy / edged weapon AP is permitted, just like other 'GM Fiat only' things.
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Hmmm. I just assumed that Dikote got absorbed as SotA progressed.
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When it comes to bullets, armor, and vehicles, sure. When it comes to hand-forged steel, that's a bit tougher. And as there are still armor-piercing rounds, then new techniques for making an edged weapon better able to cut through armor should continue to come down the pike as well.
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Should we bring back Firepower Ammo, too? :P
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Should we bring back Firepower Ammo, too? :P
Shh. They may not have been around for the 1E to 2E transition. :P
In fairness, though, not a lot of players are aware of Shadowrun's precedent of just assuming optional tech in previous editions has become standard. Anyone who has played through or run Paradise Lost knows how bio-feedback filters started, after all.
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Should we bring back Firepower Ammo, too? :P
Shh. They may not have been around for the 1E to 2E transition. :P
My bad ;)
In fairness, though, not a lot of players are aware of Shadowrun's precedent of just assuming optional tech in previous editions has become standard. Anyone who has played through or run Paradise Lost knows how bio-feedback filters started, after all.
True. I often forget that I've been around forever and a day.
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Should we bring back Firepower Ammo, too? :P
Firepower was in the game for the same reason reactive triggers was -- they were both a fix for a glaring gameplay issue, the one correcting crappy heavy pistol damage, the other correcting the speed of semi-auto weapons vs. revolvers. They took out program carriers too, but no, I'm not begging to get those loaded back in, because they replaced them with something else* -- cranial cyberdecks -- which was a clear advance in the SOTA, as compared to a repair of the game system.
Dikote is/was not a game system repair; it functioned, it served a purpose, and did so through two editions; there's no reason for it or its replacement to not continue to exist, except that someone somewhere got the willies the fifteenth time they saw the cyberzombie troll with the 23 strength charging and swinging a Dikoted naginata at the limosine. I don't argue that tech doesn't advance, I'm just pointing out that tech doesn't vanish...
* -- Supposedly, they also caused neurological damage -- but running the 'Trix naked with nothing but three programs and your willpower is gonna come with some risks. As the otaku and technomancers have discovered...
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Sorry, I was using humor - I know, it's rare and sometimes hard to spot, which is why I use the ;) and :P when I am kidding.
When it comes to bullets, armor, and vehicles, sure. When it comes to hand-forged steel, that's a bit tougher. And as there are still armor-piercing rounds, then new techniques for making an edged weapon better able to cut through armor should continue to come down the pike as well.
Maybe Dikote lost out to Cougar in the technology war, like Beta lost to VHS and Blu-Ray beat out its rival.
Cougar Fineblade Knife: This knife has a solid reputation
as the world’s premier combat knife. It is available in a shortbladed
version, approximately the size of a normal knife, and a
long-bladed version about the length of a human forearm. Due to
sophisticated edging technology and state-of-the-art molecular
bonding, the double-edged blade is almost impossible to blunt.
I'm sure there is a reasoning behind the lack of Dikote in SR4.
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There is a reason Dikote isn't in 4th edition :P Hopefully SnS will go the way way in 5th.
Why should SnS go away? Especially since it is based on real world technology. Removing it from game feels silly, then.
The only thing I would do, really, would be to limit SnS effectiveness based on the amount of armor a person is wearing. Base impact armor greater than the SnS damage should pretty much ignore SnS unless someone was deliberately aiming for "unarmored" areas.
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There is a reason Dikote isn't in 4th edition :P Hopefully SnS will go the way way in 5th.
Why should SnS go away? Especially since it is based on real world technology. Removing it from game feels silly, then.
The only thing I would do, really, would be to limit SnS effectiveness based on the amount of armor a person is wearing. Base impact armor greater than the SnS damage should pretty much ignore SnS unless someone was deliberately aiming for "unarmored" areas.
The more I dig into the game, the less Sns bothers me. At this point IF I were to recommend a change, it would be that the ammo changes from 6S(e) to (stun)(e) -- let the DV be the base damage of the weapon.
Any more, that's all that makes me twitch; that the holdout pistol becomes as effective a damage system as any of the larger weapons.
And I'm not completely sure I'm going to keep even that idea.
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That wouldn't make sense, the damage from a stick n shock round is from the shock not from the impact. In fact they should have a rather light loading similar to the impact of simunitions. Though I agree, stick n shock should have more interference from armor/clothing
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That wouldn't make sense, the damage from a stick n shock round is from the shock not from the impact. In fact they should have a rather light loading similar to the impact of simunitions. Though I agree, stick n shock should have more interference from armor/clothing
eh - armor and clothing already plays. As to the rest, I'm pretending it's size of the bullet, not strength of the impact.
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This is a universe that can fire an ultra high powered laser with a battery pack the size of your fist... I'm pretty sure a 9mm round could hold enough battery power to zap the shit out of someone.
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Since we have it in 12 gauge now, I would easily see 9mm by 2072 at the rate other fields have been miniaturized. If I remember right that's almost exactly a having in size (I'm wanting to think that a 12 gauge is roughly 18mm (.72ish) for some reason).
I would agree that my only issue is that SnS is so effective at armor penetration rather than its damage. I personally think that SnS and Tasers should be more along the lines of -4 rather than half, but I don't find it game breaking so I don't house rule it.
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Not sure if its been mentioned or not, but Skinlink. I skin link my handgun, and my vision mods. Works just like the old smartgun link, you pick up your gun, it connects and none of that silly hacking my gun/smartlink business.
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This is a universe that can fire an ultra high powered laser with a battery pack the size of your fist... I'm pretty sure a 9mm round could hold enough battery power to zap the shit out of someone.
zap the drek out of someone. Learn your SR lingo, man! SR cussing is just fine! :P
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This is a universe that can fire an ultra high powered laser with a battery pack the size of your fist... I'm pretty sure a 9mm round could hold enough battery power to zap the shit out of someone.
zap the drek out of someone. Learn your SR lingo, man! SR cussing is just fine! :P
Except they did away with all that in 4th edition!
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This is a universe that can fire an ultra high powered laser with a battery pack the size of your fist... I'm pretty sure a 9mm round could hold enough battery power to zap the shit out of someone.
zap the drek out of someone. Learn your SR lingo, man! SR cussing is just fine! :P
Except they did away with all that in 4th edition!
Tell that to Bull. ;)
Some of the older posters will still fall back on the old lingo, just to remind folks that times have changed. Personally, I'm putting it down as a resurgence from the Orxploitation bit that's just winding down in 2070 where Hollywood just recycled Blaxploitation movies and didn't bother even converting the old curse words. :P
As I told my group when I started GMing, "Shaft is a Troll in Shadowrun." "Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn."
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Since we have it in 12 gauge now, I would easily see 9mm by 2072 at the rate other fields have been miniaturized. If I remember right that's almost exactly a having in size (I'm wanting to think that a 12 gauge is roughly 18mm (.72ish) for some reason).
I would agree that my only issue is that SnS is so effective at armor penetration rather than its damage. I personally think that SnS and Tasers should be more along the lines of -4 rather than half, but I don't find it game breaking so I don't house rule it.
A 12 gauge slug is about .73, or about 18mm in diameter, that's correct.
Keep in mind that means it has a volume and mass 8 times greater then a 9mm round of the same dimensions and density.
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I would agree that my only issue is that SnS is so effective at armor penetration rather than its damage. I personally think that SnS and Tasers should be more along the lines of -4 rather than half, but I don't find it game breaking so I don't house rule it.
When you consider how most of the opfor examples in the base book have 4 impact armor, -4 is actually better than -half in regular powered games.
-half is the basis for all elemental damage, because spirits are jerks and ItNW is a bastard.
As to dikote, it didn't go away. It's just that, thanks to the diligence of shadowrunners everywhere, every single surface in the 6th world is covered in dikote now.
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As to dikote, it didn't go away. It's just that, thanks to the diligence of shadowrunners everywhere, every single surface in the 6th world is covered in dikote now.
And how! ;D
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ItNW?
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ItNW?
Immunity to Normal Weapons. It's a power shared by a number of things, including all spirits. Any damage which doesn't surpass the creature's magic rating x2 after AP is applied, has no effect. So, a force 6 spirit would need to suffer a 13P (S works too) wound in order to take any damage. Halve that armor, and you only need 7 damage to put a scratch in the ghostie.
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Yeah, i hate that power. It bites so much.
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it just meant you had to hit the spirit with non-standard weapons, like flamethrowers and fire-hoses. tasers might have worked as well, it was debatable.
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Panther Assault Cannon to a Fire Hydrant. Aw, poor widdle fire elemental.
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Panther Assault Cannon to a Fire Hydrant. Aw, poor widdle fire elemental.
The only problem with that is, you don't get much power to control the direction of the water.
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That's why the mage should have 'control water'.
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it just meant you had to hit the spirit with non-standard weapons, like flamethrowers and fire-hoses. tasers might have worked as well, it was debatable.
If you're talking about bypassing ItNW via the spirit's "severe allergy" then electricity is out. If you're talking about halving the effective armor of a spirit in order to do damage despite ItNW, then electricity is most certainly in, by RAW.
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ITNW has been vastly down powered compared to previous editions. Most notably the fact that normal weapons have a chance of hurting an etity with ItNW. Previously, it flat out did no damage whatsoever.
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Well, you had the option of using them, but it was more a function of your strength of will.
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No, normal weapons did nothing. It was only your strength of will that mattered. Your will could be projected through a melee weapon or a bow, but not bullets (too far removed from you). In the end, the weapon did nothing to boost damage, only the character's Willpower attribute did anything.
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Isn't that what I just said?
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The devil's in the details.
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Or upping post count ;)
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If I remember right, in 3rd at least the weapon's reach still helped with hitting, and net hits added to the effect of the strength of will roll. It's been a while, but I remember my mundane face picking up a telescoping staff after a nasty run in with a low force spirit and then owning a force six spirit the next session.
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If I remember right, in 3rd at least the weapon's reach still helped with hitting, and net hits added to the effect of the strength of will roll. It's been a while, but I remember my mundane face picking up a telescoping staff after a nasty run in with a low force spirit and then owning a force six spirit the next session.
Pretty sure you're correct. Very competent mundanes with even moderate willpower could really rip into spirits, even tough ones. I fondly remember an incident on Shadowland, over in the Renton Mall...
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Yeah - Willpower dice as an attack (no Combat Pool), reach applied, and damage was (Charisma) M Stun damage. Damage was resisted by Force (no Combat Pool) and no armor.
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Which usually meant the spirit had the advantage, as very few characters outside of a Face or a mage had the stats they needed to put a hurt on one. The resist roll becomes easy, and the spirit just gets annoyed with the character.
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Which usually meant the spirit had the advantage, as very few characters outside of a Face or a mage had the stats they needed to put a hurt on one. The resist roll becomes easy, and the spirit just gets annoyed with the character.
Better than no chance at all.
And really makes to a strange view when the 90 lbs. weakling "punches out the sidewalk" that was just mopping the floor with the Troll Muscle five minutes earlier.
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Yeah - Willpower dice as an attack (no Combat Pool), reach applied, and damage was (Charisma) M Stun damage. Damage was resisted by Force (no Combat Pool) and no armor.
Which usually meant the spirit had the advantage, as very few characters outside of a Face or a mage had the stats they needed to put a hurt on one. The resist roll becomes easy, and the spirit just gets annoyed with the character.
Or else the aforementioned Very Competent Normal uses their high competency, combat pool, and reach to take an S damage weapon and stage it -- first to D (2 successes), then stage up the weapon's Power. Usually much, much better against low- to moderate-force spirits than flailing around with your Willpower. Can even work against fairly hefty spirits (5+) if you're really good ...
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Anyone know how concealable the Swiss Army Sword is? I mean, it's a BELT... But how well is it known about?
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Anyone know how concealable the Swiss Army Sword is? I mean, it's a BELT... But how well is it known about?
Swiss Army Sword? ???
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Victorinox Memory Blade: The memory blade is the latest product of the Swiss Victorinox company, famous for its Swiss army knives. The weapon consists entirely of a special form-memorizing steel alloy that remains flexible and bendable as long as it is at least partially covered by its special sheath. Once completely drawn, the blade hardens within seconds and becomes a double-edged combat blade. After the blade has been put partially back into its sheath, it becomes flexible again. The memory blade was developed for the Swiss army, which began outfitting its combat troops with this weapon—built into the standard belt—by 2068.
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*Doh!*
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With Spirits now being a part of combat, having a melee weapon handy for use in a Willpower Attack is never a bad idea. You really don't want to start punching the Fire Elemental!
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Unless, yaknow, that's your thing. :-X
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Great... Lesbian Elf Stripper Ninjas Versus Plant Spirits... Now I can't get the images out of my head.
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OK, I'm not trying that hard, but still!
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My favorite piece of equipment is a cane. My troll sammie carries one that is about as thick as a tree trunk with iron bands around the top of it. He calls it his social adjustment tool:-) It makes him look dignified.
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If my knees keep going the way they are, a cane's going to be my favorite piece of equipment IRL.
And it'll make me look dignified!
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If my knees keep going the way they are, a cane's going to be my favorite piece of equipment IRL.
And it'll make me look dignified!
I've been thinking the same thing myself about my knees. I guess it'll give me an excuse to get some accessories to match the cane(s)...
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Were I to require one (for medical or just costuming reasons), I would make it a clockwork looking thing that also extended a cattle prod.
Yaknow...just in case.
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I had the hardest time finding a cane I liked that also wasn't a sword-cane. Stupid Canadian Laws...
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Were I to require one (for medical or just costuming reasons), I would make it a clockwork looking thing that also extended a cattle prod.
Yaknow...just in case.
I guess you never know when you're going to run into cattle... ;)
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I had the hardest time finding a cane I liked that also wasn't a sword-cane. Stupid Canadian Laws...
You make that sound like there's nothing but sword-canes on the market...
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Were I to require one (for medical or just costuming reasons), I would make it a clockwork looking thing that also extended a cattle prod.
Yaknow...just in case.
I guess you never know when you're going to run into cattle... ;)
Or someone who needs pushing out of the way. ;D
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I had the hardest time finding a cane I liked that also wasn't a sword-cane. Stupid Canadian Laws...
You make that sound like there's nothing but sword-canes on the market...
When you're looking for something with style, grace, and a specific type of head... Yes. If I wanted an adjustable aluminum PoS I can pick that up at the local pharmacy. If I wanted a chunk of wood, there's a few shops in town.
I was looking for something... That spoke of who I am. *Evil GM Smile*
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I had the hardest time finding a cane I liked that also wasn't a sword-cane. Stupid Canadian Laws...
You make that sound like there's nothing but sword-canes on the market...
When you're looking for something with style, grace, and a specific type of head... Yes. If I wanted an adjustable aluminum PoS I can pick that up at the local pharmacy. If I wanted a chunk of wood, there's a few shops in town.
I was looking for something... That spoke of who I am. *Evil GM Smile*
And for some reason sword cane doesn't automatically come to mind? ... Has there been some kind of mental trigger that caused you to change personalities suddenly?
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I had the hardest time finding a cane I liked that also wasn't a sword-cane. Stupid Canadian Laws...
You make that sound like there's nothing but sword-canes on the market...
When you're looking for something with style, grace, and a specific type of head... Yes. If I wanted an adjustable aluminum PoS I can pick that up at the local pharmacy. If I wanted a chunk of wood, there's a few shops in town.
I was looking for something... That spoke of who I am. *Evil GM Smile*
Spoken like a man that truly knows what he wants as an extension of himself and his personality. I don't suppose the powers-that-be take personality into consideration when making these laws, eh? ;)
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Heck sword canes are pretty much illegal everywhere. You cannot carry one in Texas. I mean you could but if you got caught you would do jail time. Why I can get a concealed carry license for a gun but not a sword cane I have no idea.
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Spoken like a man that truly knows what he wants as an extension of himself and his personality. I don't suppose the powers-that-be take personality into consideration when making these laws, eh? ;)
Please... Allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of weath, and taste.Heck sword canes are pretty much illegal everywhere. You cannot carry one in Texas. I mean you could but if you got caught you would do jail time. Why I can get a concealed carry license for a gun but not a sword cane I have no idea.
I'm still trying to figure out how someone who can get the security clearance to see the QUEEN OF ENGLAND in person, but can't carry a sword after he's been knighted. (Because a proper knight should have a sword, after all. And one with some Thunderbolt Iron in it for good measure!).
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I'm still trying to figure out how someone who can get the security clearance to see the QUEEN OF ENGLAND in person, but can't carry a sword after he's been knighted. (Because a proper knight should have a sword, after all. And one with some Thunderbolt Iron in it for good measure!).
Sorry, what?!? You've got a KNIGHTHOOD?!? :o
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Heck sword canes are pretty much illegal everywhere. You cannot carry one in Texas. I mean you could but if you got caught you would do jail time. Why I can get a concealed carry license for a gun but not a sword cane I have no idea.
I find a certain irony that Texas, Land of the Gun, has more restrictive knife and sword laws than New York, one of the most anti-gun states in the union.
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I'm still trying to figure out how someone who can get the security clearance to see the QUEEN OF ENGLAND in person, but can't carry a sword after he's been knighted. (Because a proper knight should have a sword, after all. And one with some Thunderbolt Iron in it for good measure!).
Sorry, what?!? You've got a KNIGHTHOOD?!? :o
Please, it's next to impossible to get a knighthood in Canada due to politics. And if it even does happen (Which it does, I will admit), it's the Governor-General that does so in the Crown's place unless the King/Queen is in the area at the time.
No, I was talking about Sir Terry Pratchett (http://www.news.com.au/technology/terry-pratchett-creates-a-sword-with-meteorites/story-e6frfro0-1225926584339). Note that he mined said ore after his life-threatening affliction started to affect him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pratchett#Works_about_Pratchett). Pay particular attention to the motto.
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I'm still trying to figure out how someone who can get the security clearance to see the QUEEN OF ENGLAND in person, but can't carry a sword after he's been knighted. (Because a proper knight should have a sword, after all. And one with some Thunderbolt Iron in it for good measure!).
Sorry, what?!? You've got a KNIGHTHOOD?!? :o
Please, it's next to impossible to get a knighthood in Canada due to politics. And if it even does happen (Which it does, I will admit), it's the Governor-General that does so in the Crown's place unless the King/Queen is in the area at the time.
No, I was talking about Sir Terry Pratchett (http://www.news.com.au/technology/terry-pratchett-creates-a-sword-with-meteorites/story-e6frfro0-1225926584339). Note that he mined said ore after his life-threatening affliction started to affect him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pratchett#Works_about_Pratchett). Pay particular attention to the motto.
Well, that is all kinds of awesome!
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Favorite Piece of Gear: Monosword Cane. ;D
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Heck sword canes are pretty much illegal everywhere. You cannot carry one in Texas. I mean you could but if you got caught you would do jail time. Why I can get a concealed carry license for a gun but not a sword cane I have no idea.
Ok, I know this is a light hearted conversation, but this seems like an honest question.
1) Because blades in general are lumped into the same category (legally speaking) and because they are easier to conseal, therefore making it more dangerous to say, law enforcement types.
2) Because, believe it or not, blades tend to do more damage and have a higher mortality rate to the victim than your average caliber bullets. Note i said AVERAGE caliber, yes a .50 will definately and literally destroy someone. But try and hide a .50 cal.
3) Because body armor is less effective against blades. Again, we cop-types don't like that sort of thing. That's why we have very specific training against knives and that when it comes to them, distance is our friend.
4) Because it's harder to regulate knives and they're easier to make.
OK, sorry if this is treadjacking, but I wanted to show off a bit.
But one of my favorite pieces of gear: Cougar long-blade. (see! back on topic! ;) )
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I liked the Cougar Blades so much that I extended the range to Swords!
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Heck sword canes are pretty much illegal everywhere. You cannot carry one in Texas. I mean you could but if you got caught you would do jail time. Why I can get a concealed carry license for a gun but not a sword cane I have no idea.
Ok, I know this is a light hearted conversation, but this seems like an honest question.
1) Because blades in general are lumped into the same category (legally speaking) and because they are easier to conseal, therefore making it more dangerous to say, law enforcement types.
2) Because, believe it or not, blades tend to do more damage and have a higher mortality rate to the victim than your average caliber bullets. Note i said AVERAGE caliber, yes a .50 will definately and literally destroy someone. But try and hide a .50 cal.
3) Because body armor is less effective against blades. Again, we cop-types don't like that sort of thing. That's why we have very specific training against knives and that when it comes to them, distance is our friend.
4) Because it's harder to regulate knives and they're easier to make.
OK, sorry if this is treadjacking, but I wanted to show off a bit.
But one of my favorite pieces of gear: Cougar long-blade. (see! back on topic! ;) )
Also knives can be melted down. It is kind of hard to find a murder weapon when it has been turned into a lump of metal. Plus they leave no ballistic signature.
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Eh, guns can be melted down too.
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Eh, guns can be melted down too.
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So you are going to melt down a pistol that cost your character 500 new yen probably more because of the smart link and other gizmos you put on it? Personally I can not see a lot of runners taking that action. Where as a 25 new yen knife....
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I'm sorry, I still think the scariest thing out there is an elf with Move by Wire 3 and a Monofil Whip.
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Eh, guns can be melted down too.
So you are going to melt down a pistol that cost your character 500 new yen probably more because of the smart link and other gizmos you put on it? Personally I can not see a lot of runners taking that action. Where as a 25 new yen knife....
If you're worried about 500 nuyen, you're in the wrong business.
If it were a 50000 nuyen weapon, then yeah, I can see someone being hesitant to destroy it.
Even so, if it's comes down to getting screwed because of a piece of evidence, even expensive evidence, it's getting melted down.
It's a rough business. Sometimes you have to cut and run.
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I'm sorry, I still think the scariest thing out there is an elf with Move by Wire 3 and a Monofil Whip.
And.... that's when I use edge to make my pistol's dice pool 27, and hope for a bunch of exploding Sixes.... XD
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favorite gear? most evil-ish idea?
Canray can agree with this idea.
"HMHVV /DMSO "vapor / splash grenade"
wonder if you can "mix" HMHVV strain 1 and 2 in the same grenade
terrorist act: a series of grenades mounted above a political rally, and watch the infections fly,,,,"
or maybe his HMHVV blood tipped hollow points.
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I'm sorry, I still think the scariest thing out there is an elf with Move by Wire 3 and a Monofil Whip.
And.... that's when I use edge to make my pistol's dice pool 27, and hope for a bunch of exploding Sixes.... XD
But if you don't pray that you can dodge
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I'm sorry, I still think the scariest thing out there is an elf with Move by Wire 3 and a Monofil Whip.
And.... that's when I use edge to make my pistol's dice pool 27, and hope for a bunch of exploding Sixes.... XD
But if you don't pray that you can dodge
Or run faster in the case of being a troll :P
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Eh, guns can be melted down too.
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So you are going to melt down a pistol that cost your character 500 new yen probably more because of the smart link and other gizmos you put on it? Personally I can not see a lot of runners taking that action. Where as a 25 new yen knife....
External modifications, rip 'em off, slap 'em on the same model pistol, call it a day. ;D
It's what makes AK-97s keep being the "Must-Buy" items. ;) Just get a good set of mods for them that you can swap between each other, especially if it doesn't matter if it's a knock-off or not.
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Ballistics depends on the barrel of the weapon swap out the barrel and melt the used one. Or at a shop get it reriflled and your good to go.
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or buy about a dozen replacement barrels.
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favorite gear? most evil-ish idea?
Canray can agree with this idea.
"HMHVV /DMSO "vapor / splash grenade"
wonder if you can "mix" HMHVV strain 1 and 2 in the same grenade
terrorist act: a series of grenades mounted above a political rally, and watch the infections fly,,,,"
or maybe his HMHVV blood tipped hollow points.
Neat idea, but it won't work.
DMSO, i.e. dimethylsulfoxide, opens the pores in cells on the skin, allowing chemicals to more readily be absorbed into the body.
HMHVV, AKA Human-Meta-Human-Vampiric-Virus, is not a chemical. It will simply land on the skin and then be destroyed by the oxygen in the air. If it happened to get onto a cut or wound, then it might be scary IF that person had an Essence rating of 0.1 or lower. The virus won't work unless the victim is drained to zero (or almost zero, technically) and infected by the vampire's bite.
Points for effort, though.
Now if you filled your spray grenades wtih cutter nanites...that's a whole different ball of wax.
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thanks for the upgrade.
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Changing the barrel is an excellent idea.
Get a LMG or similar type of weapon with a design where changing barrels actually are part of the weapons design.
And LMG's are heavy but beatiful weapons to fire.
Rasmus
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favorite gear? most evil-ish idea?
Canray can agree with this idea.
"HMHVV /DMSO "vapor / splash grenade"
wonder if you can "mix" HMHVV strain 1 and 2 in the same grenade
terrorist act: a series of grenades mounted above a political rally, and watch the infections fly,,,,"
or maybe his HMHVV blood tipped hollow points.
Neat idea, but it won't work.
DMSO, i.e. dimethylsulfoxide, opens the pores in cells on the skin, allowing chemicals to more readily be absorbed into the body.
HMHVV, AKA Human-Meta-Human-Vampiric-Virus, is not a chemical. It will simply land on the skin and then be destroyed by the oxygen in the air. If it happened to get onto a cut or wound, then it might be scary IF that person had an Essence rating of 0.1 or lower. The virus won't work unless the victim is drained to zero (or almost zero, technically) and infected by the vampire's bite.
Points for effort, though.
Now if you filled your spray grenades wtih cutter nanites...that's a whole different ball of wax.
another option would be to use injection darts...
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My favorite piece of gear at the moment is a pair of customized FN 5-7C machine pistols with Electronic Firing, Gas Vent 3 System, Custom Look Level 2 and Blade/Bayonet Mount. I added a Top mounted Smartgun System and a Flick Bayonet in the bayonet mount, filled the clips with caseless Tracer ammo and I'm using two Hidden Arm Slides. I would occasionally fit them with Sound Suppressors. The little babies cost my character 5570 nuyen each with all the modifications and accessories, not counting ammo. Perfect to rapidly have your guns in hand and drop many lightly armored opponents in no time. You can fire a long and a short burst with no recoil. If the fight gets too close you are already armed for close combat and as a bonus you can look scary enough that those who survive the first round will think twice about getting in a second. Downside is it's kinda expensive and a lot less efficient against heavily armored opponents but with a dice pool high enough you can aim a little to get a higher damage output (or even ignore the armor). Though, I have a pair of Warhawk for these occasion where punch is needed. I always imagined they would look something like that: http://rpggamer.org/uploaded_images/rodianbladepistol.jpg (http://rpggamer.org/uploaded_images/rodianbladepistol.jpg). I love these little babies.
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Changing the barrel is an excellent idea.
Get a LMG or similar type of weapon with a design where changing barrels actually are part of the weapons design.
And LMG's are heavy but beatiful weapons to fire.
Rasmus
Reduce the barrel, put on a folding shoulder brace, and get the reduced weight mod. Makes things a lot easier. ;D "You now have a fat, belt-fed assault rifle." "Shhhhhhhhhhh, she's big boned! And sensitive."
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Tag eraser.
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Tag eraser.
Move and Blink Tag Eraser. :P
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Tag eraser.
Move and Blink Tag Eraser. :P
Even better!
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Changing the barrel is an excellent idea.
Get a LMG or similar type of weapon with a design where changing barrels actually are part of the weapons design.
And LMG's are heavy but beatiful weapons to fire.
Rasmus
Reduce the barrel, put on a folding shoulder brace, and get the reduced weight mod. Makes things a lot easier. ;D "You now have a fat, belt-fed assault rifle." "Shhhhhhhhhhh, she's big boned! And sensitive."
I actually have tried firering a LMG in a standard standing position. Thats not really an option if you like to hit your targets though ::)
It need to be fired from the hip or even better lying down and using a bipod.
But for SR it's a fine idea. Maybe a gas vent 3 system to reduce recoil some more.
Rasmus
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You can beat a ballistics match with a coat hanger.
Throwing out a used weapon is paranoid and unnecessary.
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You can beat a ballistics match with a coat hanger.
Throwing out a used weapon is paranoid and unnecessary.
Yeah but jamming a coat hanger down a barrel is like smashing it with a hammer as far as it ever shooting straight again...
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I don't think that's... accurate.
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unless its a diamond-tipped coat-hanger mounted on a drill press, operated by bubba.
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Lathe, git you one! ;D
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even currently, many rifles are being designed as modular systems for ease of repair or modification. following that train of thought most if not all assault and heavier weapons would be built that way. possible exception being the panther. even the ogre-hammer and thunderstruck look modular in design, enough to have easily replaced barrels.
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Actually, even a limited machine shop has so many uses for someone with building skills that it's insane.
'Course, my Father was a Machinist, and my Grandfather was a Master Tool and Die Maker.
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You can beat a ballistics match with a coat hanger.
Throwing out a used weapon is paranoid and unnecessary.
Lands and groves in barrels give out just like anything else, which is why, like most anything else on a gun, can be replaced. Switching out barrels is so much easier. And there are even guns today that you can switch caliber with just a simple barrel swap.
If your worried about being identified, from a forensic point of view, Id honestly be more conserned about leaving prints on shell casings. Which is why in game, if you have to off someone, use caseless ammo or use rubber gloves when you load.
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Or get someone else to load for you. Of course, you're not supposed to trust any firearm you haven't loaded yourself from what I understand. (That might be an old rule, however.).
As for the barrel swap and caliber converters and such, just another reason why the... No, I'll be good. :(
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Or get someone else to load for you. Of course, you're not supposed to trust any firearm you haven't loaded yourself from what I understand. (That might be an old rule, however.).
As for the barrel swap and caliber converters and such, just another reason why the... No, I'll be good. :(
Don't worry, not trying to go down THAT route again. Just pointing out that it is somewhat easy to hide the fact that it is relatively easy to change barrels in a gun and make it harder to identify it forensically speaking. The mention of a caliber swap was just mentioned as a RL not RAW way of further illustrating that point. "Why no officer, my gun here uses .357 SIG not .40 Smith and Wesson." to use a RL example. Like Kontact said, throwing away a weapon is a bit much.
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Depends on the skill and knowledge of the person as well. If they haven't even cleaned their AK-97 after it's got too much heat on it, might as well throw it away and get a new Vacuum-sealed model from your friendly neighborhood gun dealer.
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
I an' I give him one love! (http://gta.wikia.com/Little_Jacob)
"Can't shake no hands when ye fist be clenched."
— Little Jacob
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
He dosen't shoot me on sight. That's friendly enough for me.
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
He dosen't shoot me on sight. That's friendly enough for me.
I think that's friendly enough for anyone! ;D
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
He dosen't shoot me on sight. That's friendly enough for me.
I think that's friendly enough for anyone! ;D
:ey I am considering it a good day if I'm not being shot at, but if so, the day can still be salvaged upon firing back.
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
He dosen't shoot me on sight. That's friendly enough for me.
I think that's friendly enough for anyone! ;D
:ey I am considering it a good day if I'm not being shot at, but if so, the day can still be salvaged upon firing back.
If you're firing back, make sure it's the last shot that's fired...
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
He dosen't shoot me on sight. That's friendly enough for me.
I think that's friendly enough for anyone! ;D
:ey I am considering it a good day if I'm not being shot at, but if so, the day can still be salvaged upon firing back.
If you're firing back, make sure it's the last shot that's fired...
I was infantry, 40/40 scores for marksmanship. Think Major Payne, "if he's in there, he ain't happy"
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Your neighborhood gun dealer is friendly??
He dosen't shoot me on sight. That's friendly enough for me.
I think that's friendly enough for anyone! ;D
:ey I am considering it a good day if I'm not being shot at, but if so, the day can still be salvaged upon firing back.
If you're firing back, make sure it's the last shot that's fired...
I was infantry, 40/40 scores for marksmanship. Think Major Payne, "if he's in there, he ain't happy"
Now there's one movie I can gladly say that I haven't seen!
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It has it's moments. That's just about the best one though. But seriously, I don't play games. If I have to shoot, I hit. If I miss I, heaven help the person, I'm only firing till I get up close.
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It has it's moments. That's just about the best one though. But seriously, I don't play games. If I have to shoot, I hit. If I miss I, heaven help the person, I'm only firing till I get up close.
I can't really remember the last time I even held a firearm - must have been 20 years. The last time I remember firing a weapon was back in the 80's. Aimed for a tree branch a way off on a hill, pulled the trigger, lowered weapon, felt a bit "meh" about missing, and then saw and heard the branch fall. Felt a little better about my aim then ;)
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Crap, that reminds me, I have qualifications in a few weeks. :-\
Time to start stocking up on ammo and killin' some paper.
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So for a year I was in the ammo platoon for my battalion we would load up a truck with about 10,000 rounds at the minimum, and go sit on it while each company would do ranges. So we would load up our mags, I mean all of them and switch off, get in the firing positions and fire to pass the time, besides it's easier to sort brass than count live ammo at turn ins. So I was given a lot of trigger time. We would shoot what we wanted on each turn of the targets. I had a sergeant yell at me because I was only shooting at the 300 and beyond targets. I told him to wait till I flagged him over to pass his judgement. 5 magazines later I flagged him over and proceeded to shoot a 40 out of 40. He asked why I wasn't doing that the entire day. I told him that I wanted more trigger time so I went for only the ones I regularly missed. I constantly shot in the upper 30's before that, after that if I shot less than a 39 I went and shot som more.
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And thus Ammunition just jumped to the top of everyone's favorite piece of gear. ;D
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Guns are almost useless without them! :P
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Pistol whipping still works.
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Pistol whipping still works.
Hence "Almost."
I mean.... who take's "clubs" rank 6 just to be able to pistol whip someone effectively? I mean... seriously....
(heh)
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Pistol whipping still works.
Hence "Almost."
I mean.... who take's "clubs" rank 6 just to be able to pistol whip someone effectively? I mean... seriously....
(heh)
Right. Save that for the riflebutt work.
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Pistol whipping still works.
Hence "Almost."
I mean.... who take's "clubs" rank 6 just to be able to pistol whip someone effectively? I mean... seriously....
(heh)
Right. Save that for the riflebutt work.
I always imagine.... that must hurt more then it looks....
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Just make sure you don't have a plastic pistol grip when you're doing it. ;) Fiberglass furniture isn't good for rifle butting either. Brass- or steel-reenforced wood would be a better option for longarms.
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Pistol whipping still works.
Hence "Almost."
I mean.... who take's "clubs" rank 6 just to be able to pistol whip someone effectively? I mean... seriously....
(heh)
Right. Save that for the riflebutt work.
I always imagine.... that must hurt more then it looks....
It does, I got a scar on my under my right eye to prove it.
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Every scar has a story. The ones that don't involve concussions, you probably even remember!
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I wish I could recall the cause of the PRI scars I have woken up with over the years...
Favorite Piece of Gear: Medkit. ;)
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Every scar has a story. The ones that don't involve concussions, you probably even remember!
That's what YouTube is for.
8)
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
Sounds like a recipe for a fun Saturday night.
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
Sounds like a recipe for a fun Saturday night.
Or a necessity if you plan on crashing a Humanis rally.
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
Sounds like a recipe for a fun Saturday night.
Or a necessity if you plan on crashing a Humanis rally.
I use a speeding dump truck full of sand for that. Or an old Black-and-White. I like the classics.
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
Sounds like a recipe for a fun Saturday night.
Or a necessity if you plan on crashing a Humanis rally.
I use a speeding dump truck full of sand for that. Or an old Black-and-White. I like the classics.
Epoxy on both sides of their gas pedal and under it? Sounds like fun to me.
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
Sounds like a recipe for a fun Saturday night.
Or a necessity if you plan on crashing a Humanis rally.
I use a speeding dump truck full of sand for that. Or an old Black-and-White. I like the classics.
Epoxy on both sides of their gas pedal and under it? Sounds like fun to me.
Yes, the classics have their place.
On the other hand, hacking the humanis' vehicles and convincing all the pilots the parking lot is over there...
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clubs with a rank of 6 and a specialization in pistol whipping, melee harded pistol and personalized grip...........
Sounds like a recipe for a fun Saturday night.
Or a necessity if you plan on crashing a Humanis rally.
I use a speeding dump truck full of sand for that. Or an old Black-and-White. I like the classics.
Epoxy on both sides of their gas pedal and under it? Sounds like fun to me.
Yes, the classics have their place.
On the other hand, hacking the humanis' vehicles and convincing all the pilots the parking lot is over there...
Well someone could do both.
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Or all of the above, and give the cops a headache trying to figure out the MO. :P
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Or all of the above, and give the cops a headache trying to figure out the MO. :P
The best MO is not to have one. Sounds simple, right? Unfortunately people are creatures of habit, whether we realize it or not.
But the better way to give them headaches is to shut down the local donut shop.
8)
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Or all of the above, and give the cops a headache trying to figure out the MO. :P
The best MO is not to have one. Sounds simple, right? Unfortunately people are creatures of habit, whether we realize it or not.
But the better way to give them headaches is to shut down the local donut shop.
8)
Or the McDonalds McHughs... ;)
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Major head cinematics. Thank you guys!
For maximum confusion, what about parking the cars (and the sand!) inside/mostly inside the donut shop?
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I guess my favorite piece of gear has to be the magnetic shielding for cyberlimbs. Really nice for smuggling, say large metal blades in your arms past checkpoints. It shows the arms fine but the blades, or smuggling compartment, or whatever you want to hide, is better hidden.
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I guess my favorite piece of gear has to be the magnetic shielding for cyberlimbs. Really nice for smuggling, say large metal blades in your arms past checkpoints. It shows the arms fine but the blades, or smuggling compartment, or whatever you want to hide, is better hidden.
Like that would not set off some other type of alarm depending on the level of security. "Sir, this guy has a cyber arm but we are not getting anything off of the scanners?" "Well I guess we need to take it a part to make sure that he is not trying to get anything past us."
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more likely reaction would be: ok this bubba has licenses for 20 different restricted or forbidden cyber pieces, and i can only find 5 in his entire body with the current scanner. time to go to the other scanner (cue cyberdoc with chainsaw)
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MDS shielding only works on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors anyhow, which don't so much as "scan" as they have a light and buzzer that turns on when they detect ferrous materials. You really can't use them to see into a cyberlimb, so they're useless to figure out what was installed in the limb or not.
You need a millimeter-wave radar for that, and those aren't affected at all by MDS.
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Yeah, millimeter wave scanner screwed up a lot. So what if you upgraded your weapon to the seriously expensive MAD-undetectable ceramic components III upgrade and put it in a -6 conceal hidden compartment? Even the most basic millimeter-wave scanner will pick it up. :(
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Recently came across a new favorite. Not a single piece, but a fun combo. Take one LTA drone and give it some ability to use grenades, I don't care how. Load it up with Splash Grenades carrying K10. Fly over Times Square or similar dense crowd, let loose then record the festivities for later amusement. ;)
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Yeah, millimeter wave scanner screwed up a lot. So what if you upgraded your weapon to the seriously expensive MAD-undetectable ceramic components III upgrade and put it in a -6 conceal hidden compartment? Even the most basic millimeter-wave scanner will pick it up. :(
You could put in radio-attenuating mods like wi-fi blocking paint, but that would result in the radar seeing a "blank space" where there should clearly BE something, which will raise it's own suspicions.
Best bet really is to hack-on-the-fly the sensor to give a false readout.
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Just Jam it.
It's still a radar and vunerable to ECM or a jammer.
And to my knowledge it hasn't really been clarifed what exactly that thing can "see". If it just penetrates barrier rating ...blah blah blah then it wont see the arm, or you for that matter, as you won't be dense enough to consititute a barrier....... The Mili wave will stop when it hits dense metals or ceramics, or lead.
Correct me if I'm wrong here please and I'll continue.
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Baby Monitors are horrible for spamming wireless airwaves.
Hated those damned things when I was doing Wireless Networks Tech Support. Portable Phones on the same frequency were also a pain in the hoop.
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Baby Monitors are horrible for spamming wireless airwaves.
Hated those damned things when I was doing Wireless Networks Tech Support. Portable Phones on the same frequency were also a pain in the hoop.
If only there were unlimited Frequencies..... <.<
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Yeah, you go ahead and try broadcasting on freqs that are restricted for military purposes and see what happens.
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Yeah, you go ahead and try broadcasting on freqs that are restricted for military purposes and see what happens.
Exactly.
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Well, with digital TV transmissions happening now, there's going to be a lot of more civilian Freqs cleared up.
Back on topic, however. Gear we love in Shadowrun: I gotta go with some kind of armoured long coat. Lined Coat is nice and traditional, but sometimes it doesn't fit in with where you are, so a Mortimer of London Greatcoat is a fine substitute.
We can't have capes, but what's a long coat but a cape with sleeves? ;D
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You can have capes. You just need to be in places like Tir Tairngir. ;)
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You can have capes. You just need to be in places like Tir Tairngir. ;)
Pass.
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Well, with digital TV transmissions happening now, there's going to be a lot of more civilian Freqs cleared up.
Back on topic, however. Gear we love in Shadowrun: I gotta go with some kind of armoured long coat. Lined Coat is nice and traditional, but sometimes it doesn't fit in with where you are, so a Mortimer of London Greatcoat is a fine substitute.
We can't have capes, but what's a long coat but a cape with sleeves? ;D
A nice armored long coat is one instance where you get both style and substance.
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Especially if you get a lot of pockets.
That's the only thing really lacking in my own Australian-Style duster.
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Especially if you get a lot of pockets.
That's the only thing really lacking in my own Australian-Style duster.
Sew 'em on on the inside, CanRay. That way they're hidden pockets!
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Especially if you get a lot of pockets.
That's the only thing really lacking in my own Australian-Style duster.
Sew 'em on on the inside, CanRay. That way they're hidden pockets!
Inside and outside. Explains the bulges when you have legal stuff on the outside and accessible.
Fill 'em with Stuffers if you have a Suprathyroid Gland!
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You can have capes. You just need to be in places like Tir Tairngir. ;)
No, no. You just need to go places. Like the opera. They have (or had, at least) at least one full-length gentleman's cape in Shadowrun, specifically mentioning the opera and high society. Tells me that no matter what the ladies posted in Attitude, some old styles are still around in certain segments of society, for certain occasions.
*ponders a Sharp-Dressed man, who wears things like top-hat and tails on a Shadowrun* They'd certainly look at the outfit, not the face ...
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A sharp dressed man (http://youtu.be/Pn2-b_opVTo), really? ;)
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Seriously!! Wouldn't that be a great Face? Or Fixer? And already his street name!! "We need to go see the Sharp-Dressed Man." Perfect!!
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Seriously!! Wouldn't that be a great Face? Or Fixer? And already his street name!! "We need to go see the Sharp-Dressed Man." Perfect!!
Then find out his name is beard, and he's the only one in his entourage that doesn't have one. :P
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Seriously!! Wouldn't that be a great Face? Or Fixer? And already his street name!! "We need to go see the Sharp-Dressed Man." Perfect!!
What about A Man of Wealth and Taste (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckuXx64abc)?
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What about A Man of Wealth and Taste (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckuXx64abc)?
I thought that was how Lofwyr introduced himself as when in Metahuman form. ;D
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What about A Man of Wealth and Taste (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckuXx64abc)?
I thought that was how Lofwyr introduced himself as when in Metahuman form. ;D
Here's a really good mash up of that I heard recently (sung by my favourite actress) http://soundcloud.com/tiny-buttons/scag-mash-up