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Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: welldressedgent on <09-23-11/2220:51>
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Anybody seen these and care to describe them?
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I have and they're good??
Um, I've listed what they are in other threads, but if you're looking for someone to post the stats, then you'll be waiting a looooooong time.
Okay, here's the update:
I'm pretty sure it's been errata'd from the original PDF.
Comments from classic Shadowtalker Nightfire's been added in to give his "expert" opinion on items.
9 weapons added to the Gun Haven Heaven section:
- TPP (light pistol)
- Ultimax 70 (machine pistol)
- AN-39 (assault rifle/grenade launcher)
- Terracotta Arms DLW (sporting rifle)
- M428 Grenade Launcher (grenade launcher)
- Kriss X (submachine gun)
- XM-629 OICW (assault rifle/grenade launcher)
- Evington's Propelled Katana (think Tom Jane's Punisher's switchblade)
- Izom Armaments RP-63A (machine pistol)
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By the way, is the runner's black book available in pdf? Could not find it on battleshop :'(
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By the way, is the runner's black book available in pdf? Could not find it on battleshop :'(
No. DTF only.
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Only the partial PDFs: MilSpecTech, This Old Drone, Gun Heaven, Unfriendly Skies, and Deadly Waves. Last I heard, the compilation (RBB) would not be released as a single-volume PDF.
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By the way, is the runner's black book available in pdf? Could not find it on battleshop :'(
No. DTF only.
Thanks, I found the answer in another topic in the mean time, sorry for the inconveniance.
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More like 'what makes them stand out from 20 other light pistols and smgs'. Guess I'll be waiting a long time for that too.
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The new weapons seem interesting with quite a bit of interesting fluff. Where they really win compared to the rest of Gun
Haven Heaven is in artwork. As in, they look like actual firearms rather than Airsoft repaints or, um, whatever the other firearms are supposed to be (Can we have the artist pop on the board to talk about this, please, if we're polite?). Oh, and a sword. That shoots.
You can tell the lineage of the firearms in question if you look at them and know firearms history (One is obviously based off the Tokarev TT-30.). The sword looks decent, and the one firearm that looks like an original design appears like something that I'd find in my copy of Jane's (The closest a Canuck like myself can get to a gun store.).
There's two machine pistols, two assault rifles (With a lot of bells and whistles), a grenade launcher, a sporting rifle (That looks like a sporting rifle! Honestly, I want one!), a SMG, and the aforementioned sword (Basically a REALLY BIG Ballistic Knife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife).). More calibers are mentioned in the fluff, which I like, but will just cause more confusion down the line in some other ways as well...
As for what makes them stand out? Fluff, style, look... It's all about appearance, man! Some folks love how the Beretta M9 looks, while I prefer the hard edges of a M1911, and some folks are Revolver freaks. ;D
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Excuse my ignorance, but what's a "Jane's"?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what's a "Jane's"?
Jane's, aka Jane's Defense Weekly, is a publication label that looks at all sorts of military tech. Jane's Defense has put out a lot of guides about guns, vehicles, aircraft, ships, etc. It's a great reference guide for world wide military tech.
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And widely used by the US intelligence community, so you know (or hope!) that it's pretty accurate.
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Yeah. I have the 1996 edition of "Jane's Guns Recognition Guide" as one of my reference books.
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Cool. Well, now I know.
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Jane's was the only civilian organization with an office in the Pentagon. Not sure if they still have it, but they did at one time.
Unless it's cutting edge or top secret, they know about it. Thing is, they post "Official" stats, so they're sometimes wrong on a lot of elements. (Example: If you look up the information on the infamous Bismarck, they're still listing the "Official" German statistics given at the time, which was massively underweight and size for it's actual build, as Germany was restricted from vessels of that size... Or so a Navy Buff told me. I get sea sick looking at ships.).
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Hmmm - I wonder if the local news stand has an issue I can peruse...
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Hmmm - I wonder if the local news stand has an issue I can peruse...
If your local public library is large enough it might carry it. And almost every one of them carries one or more of the books.
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If your public library is large enough... And not Canadian. Best firearms book I could find in mine ended at WWII. ???
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I shouldn't hold my breath checking out Australian public libraries, then...
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If you want the recognition guides, try the usual spots: Amazon and E-bay. If you want the weekly, they have a subscriptions.
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Be warned, though - Jane's Weekly is targeted mostly at professionals in the industry. As such their subscription prices are kinda high. Like 500 bucks or so a year high.
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The books would be a lot more cost-effective, I'd think, despite being (I assume) more specific.
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Be warned, though - Jane's Weekly is targeted mostly at professionals in the industry. As such their subscription prices are kinda high. Like 500 bucks or so a year high.
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Well, I never claimed it was cheap. 8)
The books would be a lot more cost-effective, I'd think, despite being (I assume) more specific.
Very true, a friend of mine got the guide to aircraft, tanks/vehicles, special forces, ships, and a couple more for like $100 off e-bay as a package deal.
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I might see if I can grab an issue or two from the new stand, and if I like what I see, see what I can get book wise on eBay...
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Hi folks,
I understand that the Runner's Black Book contains new firearms compared to Gun Heaven, but are there other additions with respect to other pdf (MilSpec Tech, Deadly Waves, This Old Drone, Unfriendly Skies), be it new items or new shadowtalks.
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Hi folks,
I understand that the Runner's Black Book contains new firearms compared to Gun Heaven, but are there other additions with respect to other pdf (MilSpec Tech, Deadly Waves, This Old Drone, Unfriendly Skies), be it new items or new shadowtalks.
There has been some errata updates and they added a couple of reviews by Nightfire in the Shadowtalk.
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For those thinking of Jane's, their online site is a 50% solution and will give you some idea of the print. jdw.janes.com (http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/index.shtml)
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Thank you FastJack, so the only new toys compared to the pdf serie are new guns. :)
About guns, the gun heaven introduction is called "WEAPONS OF LONG HISTORY AND REACH"
Long history refers to old weapons, but what does reach means in this sentence. I do not believe it refers to weapons that can shoot far away, because not all new weapons fall in this category, but I do not understand.
Can you please help a poor french guy? ;)
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I think that 'reach' is being used in the same way that 'influence' would be. The vintage weapons found in the book are so popular and influential that they "reached" down through the decades and are still in use in 2073.
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The Imperial Flightless Bird is correct.
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ok thanks guys :)
That makes perfect sens, I was confused because I though that reach was qualifying the new toys whereas actually both history and reach refer to the old weapons.