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Shadowrun General => General Discussion => Topic started by: AlexHaze on <08-19-11/0925:55>
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Is it bad that in a strom while the roof is coming off that the first thing I throw into my emergency bag is not money, a social security card, or my ID but my shadowrun books? (and my boyfriends books)
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Priorities.
My GM back home has his RPG books insured with replacement. Which, considering that almost 100% of them are OOP...
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All of mine are 4e so I could replace them but i didn't think about that part. My mom says we're leaving and the first thought to pop into my head was *Shadowrun books!...oh ya might need my ID too*
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That's why I have everything backed up on my external Terabyte (although, it's starting to look a bit full). Easier to just grab that and my laptop.
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very true and I have them on my laptop too. But I was not about to lose his books too and I actually prefer the hard copy. And they were not too hard to pack since most of them were already in a bag I packed for college. I just didn't know if I was crazy or something for thinking about the saftey of the books first.
I even brought them to work with me just in case.
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Well assuming all the more important stuff is taken care of, I'd say no. Possessions are ok to worry about if your family/pets are all in the clear.
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Family and pets were already ready to go so no worries there.
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I have important documents and emergency funds in a safe. Non-perishable foods and water jugs stored away. Heating elements set up. Camping/Heat-Producing candles, regular candles, and strike-anywhere matches. Dynamo radio and "pump" LED Flashlight. Two Zippos and a Ronson with fuel, flints, and wicks.
A lot more, been awhile since I took inventory, and worked at what else I needed.
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That's why I have everything backed up on my external Terabyte (although, it's starting to look a bit full). Easier to just grab that and my laptop.
My Bug Out Bag:
Ruggedized Laptop (picked up on the cheap from TacTeam surplus)
USB cables
Burner phone
FN Five-seveN w/4 clips and 1 box of ammo
1 change of clothes
Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
2 canteens w/filter straws and purification tabs.
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I like the way you think +1. I saved my books from a flood a few years ago, my mom actually called me crazy. She doesn't understand how hard to replace some of them are.
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My Bug Out Bag:
Ruggedized Laptop (picked up on the cheap from TacTeam surplus)
USB cables
Burner phone
FN Five-seveN w/4 clips and 1 box of ammo
1 change of clothes
Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
2 canteens w/filter straws and purification tabs.
Dude... What are you expecting?
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My Bug Out Bag:
Ruggedized Laptop (picked up on the cheap from TacTeam surplus)
USB cables
Burner phone
FN Five-seveN w/4 clips and 1 box of ammo
1 change of clothes
Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
2 canteens w/filter straws and purification tabs.
Dude... What are you expecting?
You never know - thats the point of a Bug Out Bag 8)
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My Bug Out Bag:
Ruggedized Laptop (picked up on the cheap from TacTeam surplus)
USB cables
Burner phone
FN Five-seveN w/4 clips and 1 box of ammo
1 change of clothes
Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
2 canteens w/filter straws and purification tabs.
Dude... What are you expecting?
Whatever is coming, thus the need for a BOB.
I wish I could set up my BOB so well. I have a nice hunting jacket I can use as the basis for one. I had it set up as a field computer tech BOB for emergencies.
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2 cases of MREs
3 five gallon water jugs
first aid box
packs
tarps
anything else that fits in the truck
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Aside from all my Shadowrun books ranging from 1E to 4E we have a vast collection of books and comic books that have a fairly decent value to them. We also have been considering having our collection insured. But of course in the event of an emergency our family and pets take top priority. We have also been establishing what we refer to as our "zombie apocalypse" survival kit. If your kit can handle that then it should be able to handle anything else. Still working on beefing up the security in our kit but it currently contains about 800 rounds of 7.62mm ammo for the SKS.
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Got the Bayonet for that SKS?
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Sure do. I normally leave it off when we go shooting but it doees give it that classic look. Still has the wood stock as well. Picked it up at a great deal, after cleaning it real well and adjusting the sights it holds a real nice pattern at 100 yards with the iron sights.
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Good. The wood will stand you better against Zombies than the lighter weight of the Fiberglass will. :P
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SKS's are one of those guns that I just hate to see "sporterized." Keep the gorgeous old wood on, don't funk it up with all the new gadgets and whatnot. There's nothing that makes me cringe quite like seeing the classics torn up and wrapped in black plastic.
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SKS's are one of those guns that I just hate to see "sporterized." Keep the gorgeous old wood on, don't funk it up with all the new gadgets and whatnot. There's nothing that makes me cringe quite like seeing the classics torn up and wrapped in black plastic.
I have an old Mosin-Nagant someone offered to sporterize. I looked at him like he offered to buy my firstborn.
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SKS's are one of those guns that I just hate to see "sporterized." Keep the gorgeous old wood on, don't funk it up with all the new gadgets and whatnot. There's nothing that makes me cringe quite like seeing the classics torn up and wrapped in black plastic.
I have an old Mosin-Nagant someone offered to sporterize. I looked at him like he offered to buy my firstborn.
I ever catch someone trying to do that to an old SMLE or Mauser 98 or 98K...
Bad enough what the Canadian Government demanded be done to the old SMLE girls. :(
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That's why I have everything backed up on my external Terabyte (although, it's starting to look a bit full). Easier to just grab that and my laptop.
My Bug Out Bag:
Ruggedized Laptop (picked up on the cheap from TacTeam surplus)
USB cables
Burner phone
FN Five-seveN w/4 clips and 1 box of ammo
1 change of clothes
Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
2 canteens w/filter straws and purification tabs.
For the record, if I'm ever allowed to keep fire-arms, then I also will have one in my BoB.
However, sadly, not the case with current legislations...damnit!
Was it the Psych test? Tell me it wasn't the Psych test! *twitch*twitch*
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Try living in Canada.
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However, sadly, not the case with current legislations...damnit!
Was it the Psych test? Tell me it wasn't the Psych test! *twitch*twitch*
No fire-arms at all? Where do you live? I have a shotgun in my room. Then again I live in rural Missouri so all we do is hunt and raise cows...
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My Bug Out Bag:
Ruggedized Laptop (picked up on the cheap from TacTeam surplus)
USB cables
Burner phone
FN Five-seveN w/4 clips and 1 box of ammo
1 change of clothes
Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
2 canteens w/filter straws and purification tabs.
A whole case eh? I bet I know how you pulled that off. ;) The 5.7 sounds like a good side arm, but the ammo doesn't seem practical unless i'm out of the loop on it's availability these days. Mine consists of,
M-1 garand with 5 clips 48 rounds
S&W M&P .45 4 clips 2 boxes of ammo
2 changes of clothes
6-7 MREs (that'll last me a 1-1.3 weeks)
full trauma kit
state and national map
hygene kit
2 canteens and 3L camelbak.
32 GB thumbdrive with everything I need (SR Books and characters) and 2 forms of ID.
I'm working on a ruggedized laptop and a solar charger, but that's a ways off. :(
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Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
A whole case eh? I bet I know how you pulled that off. ;)
Yep, the key is field-stripping the MREs to save space. They come prepackaged, but you can remove the components from the outer wrapping and get rid of some of the excess packaging materials...and pre-sort the items you want from those you don't.
That reminds me...I need to get a case of MREs. :)
Also...how big a bag do you advise for a Bug Out Bag? Are we talking about a gym bag? Or, from reading some of the lists, are we talking more like a standard military duffel?
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Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
A whole case eh? I bet I know how you pulled that off. ;)
Yep, the key is field-stripping the MREs to save space. They come prepackaged, but you can remove the components from the outer wrapping and get rid of some of the excess packaging materials...and pre-sort the items you want from those you don't.
That reminds me...I need to get a case of MREs. :)
Also...how big a bag do you advise for a Bug Out Bag? Are we talking about a gym bag? Or, from reading some of the lists, are we talking more like a standard military duffel?
I use one of these:
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17159&tabid=548&catid=1727 (http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17159&tabid=548&catid=1727)
Thinking about getting this though:
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17223&tabid=548&catid=1743 (http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17223&tabid=548&catid=1743)
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I use one of these:
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17159&tabid=548&catid=1727 (http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17159&tabid=548&catid=1727)
Thinking about getting this though:
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17223&tabid=548&catid=1743 (http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=17223&tabid=548&catid=1743)
i have one of the large black ones. i use it for carrying my work gear ( snake gaiters, digging knife, clothes) if the end of the world comes, that will be loaded with secondary gear. my "normal" pack is this http://specopstech.com/osc/product_info.php?cPath=197_230&products_id=1946&page=medical (http://specopstech.com/osc/product_info.php?cPath=197_230&products_id=1946&page=medical)
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Nice. So we're talking about the size of a military duffel, though clearly there are better-organized packs out there if I can spend the money.
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the black one gets all the "longer than a couple days" survival gear, the "med" pack gets the "need it to walk from here to home" gear
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I have an older version of this (http://www.tilley.com/Different-Drummer-Legends-Outback-Vest.aspx?id=20MA45MV0554990) that I have to set up as a small-scale BOB. (It held every computer tool my boss and I needed in the field, save for one that fit in a toolbox.).
After that, I have to see what I can get at my FLGS/Army Surplus Store when I have funds available.
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Case of MREs (I'm a good packer)
A whole case eh? I bet I know how you pulled that off. ;)
Yep, the key is field-stripping the MREs to save space. They come prepackaged, but you can remove the components from the outer wrapping and get rid of some of the excess packaging materials...and pre-sort the items you want from those you don't.
That reminds me...I need to get a case of MREs. :)
Also...how big a bag do you advise for a Bug Out Bag? Are we talking about a gym bag? Or, from reading some of the lists, are we talking more like a standard military duffel?
Honestly that's a question you'll get a thousand answers from a thousand different people for. so I'll tell you what I tell everyone before throwing my 2cents in. The size of your bag, should be large enough you can fit what you need in it and for it to be comfortable for you to carry and use both of which are totally dependent on you. That said? I really like the second pack Viking linked. That looks like it would be handy for carrying a rifle over distance which would be handy for me/anyone carrying a long arm. But at the moment,I'm saving for this one (http://www.mysteryranch.com/s.nl/c.999464/it.A/id.5850/.f?sc=8&category=1962). It's fair sized as it is, but if you need more space, you can add the additional pouch sections you make make this pack as modular as you like so it can fit any role you want it too.
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However, sadly, not the case with current legislations...damnit!
Was it the Psych test? Tell me it wasn't the Psych test! *twitch*twitch*
No fire-arms at all? Where do you live? I have a shotgun in my room. Then again I live in rural Missouri so all we do is hunt and raise cows...
I too was raised and live in rural Missouri. Almost everyone I know has at least one firearm. My feiance used to sleep with a semi auto 410 shotgun next to her bed before she moved in with me.
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I too was raised and live in rural Missouri. Almost everyone I know has at least one firearm. My feiance used to sleep with a semi auto 410 shotgun next to her bed before she moved in with me.
Actually, this might come in handy (http://nighthawkprotects.com/SAF-SLEEPER.php) for you folks that sleep with a firearm next to them.
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I too was raised and live in rural Missouri. Almost everyone I know has at least one firearm. My feiance used to sleep with a semi auto 410 shotgun next to her bed before she moved in with me.
Actually, this might come in handy (http://nighthawkprotects.com/SAF-SLEEPER.php) for you folks that sleep with a firearm next to them.
I actually know people who made those things before they were mass produced. And my shotgun is actually beside my bed too. And I don't know anyone who lives around me who does not have a firearm of some sort. And now I have college friends who have never even held a gun. However that will soon be fixed since I'm going to make them come back home with me and teach them. I feel like it is a skill that everyone should no, even if its a short safety lesson like "Hey this is the dangerous in, and don't touch this trigger it makes things go boom."
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You think people in College are funny for never holding a firearm? I'm Canadian. :P Unless you're from the deep bush, you've likely never even SEEN a firearm that wasn't strapped to a cop's hip (Or, far too often, in a criminal's hand.). Hell, most Urbanites in Canada consider firearms "TEH EVULZ!" Which does not please Rural Canadians due to the stupid laws we have because of the way voting pools work... (Example: The license for importing and selling AIRSOFT weapons is the same license for storing weapons-grade nuclear material. No, I'm not joking. Yet Pellet Guns, which can be used for hunting, can be purchased with just a photo ID and being age of majority, provided their muzzle velocity is low enough not to count as a "Firearm" under Canadian Law.).
I've had quite a few firearms safety lessons. They're a bit rusty, however, and never accredited.
And I feel the same way about explosives. Of course, I grew up in a Mining Town where you could get a license for dynamite before you could get a driver's license.
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Ya I didn't realize how few people new how to use a firearm. It was a shock for me because my highschool had a trapshooting team and an archery class. I've been hunting since I was old enough to hold the gun up. Then my friends told me they'd never even held a gun I almost fell over. (I instantly knew who I was not taking with me when the zombie outbreak happens) Now I have a better world view on that sort of thing, I just think that gun education is something important to have.
And explosives would be awesome to use, however the closest I get is exsplovie rounds or exploding targets.
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More skills to a Zombiepocalypse than firearms usage. Worse case, make sure they get a good lesson in how to use a Shotgun.
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I was actually more worried about my safety or their own from them not so much the zombies. I've seen what happens when you don't know what your doing.
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The important thing about a get-home bag or a bug-out bag are that, well, they're for getting home or bugging out. You need to be able to move with 'em, and potentially in a hurry, and potentially over a long distance. Sure, a kitchen sink would be nice to have, but do you really want to carry it around with you everywhere you go?
BOBs and GHBs are two instances were "keep it simple, stupid" really, really, comes into play. The ones posted so far seem reasonable, but it always makes me cringe a little when folks mention full-on duffel bags, because I know the temptation after picking a bag that big is filling the bag that big.
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The important thing about a get-home bag or a bug-out bag are that, well, they're for getting home or bugging out. You need to be able to move with 'em, and potentially in a hurry, and potentially over a long distance. Sure, a kitchen sink would be nice to have, but do you really want to carry it around with you everywhere you go?
BOBs and GHBs are two instances were "keep it simple, stupid" really, really, comes into play. The ones posted so far seem reasonable, but it always makes me cringe a little when folks mention full-on duffel bags, because I know the temptation after picking a bag that big is filling the bag that big.
You are right Crit - and that's why my son and wife have BoB's considerably smaller. I also don't stuff it to the gills, and I make sure I can hump it for as long as necessary. Like I say - I'm good at packing ;)
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So far all my own crazy right-winger survivalist gun-nut hobbies have been just that; hobbies. Hopefully, they'll always stay that way (and for all you guys, too). If all I get out of my couple expenditures is peace of mind from having 'em, perfect. I'd rather know I have them and feel prepared than ever, ever, actually need any of this stuff. Just like insurance or a fire extinguisher.
So hopefully it'll all stay a moot point, not just for me but for everyone else posting here. ;)
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Is this turning into a zombie related thread? If so.... I can help.
With guns, for a longarm, you have to realize that anything other than a headshot wont do much, so it's better to go with a smaller caliber, like a .223. All you need is something that'll go through skull and rattle around in there. If you're not a good shot, get a shotgun, or train up on a rifle.
My dream would be a silenced MP5 kept usually semi with some scope, or at least a reflex sight.
(And just so y'all know, my limited knowledge of guns doesn't come from CoD. I work with guns.)
(On another note, I hate people who talk about guns like they know them, but are just stating things from CoD...)
If you carry a melee weapon, a machete is best. IMO... I do have a good background with blades ( 7 years fencing, 3 of those being a fencing instructor, and assorted other blade training) Just keeping it simple is best.
For a bag; food, water purification thingies, spare clothes, and other junk and stuff. Why am I saying things here, you all got this.
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Wow Bane I applaud your knowledge and skill in weapons. I'm not quiet that skilled, especially with blades. But if I may add I would say be careful with scopes, one knock to it and its all messed up again, which is why I prefer iron sighted rifles. Yes scopes help with the really long distance shots but if its zombieland out there I'm not wasting bullets on a not immediate threat.
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(I have an almost fetish liking of blades...)
Two highly valid points.
But even iron sights need adjusting from prolonged use and shooting. At least modernish ones. I'd love to go old west in Z day. Lever action rifle, and a revolver chambered in the same caliber. Not having to worry about fumbling around with different ammo. Although on another note, having the same ammo means you're limited to that. What if you use .45, and you come across a huge stash of 9mm?
And I hope you weren't using sarcasm.
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For what it's worth, I don't have any firearms unless/until I get to the tertiary bag.
My pocket BoB is a leatherman, a whistle, a signal mirror, and a bottle of iodine tablets. The whistle has a lanyard made from 12 feet of 550 cord, and I've tucked a rubber shower cap into the mirror's case. I usually (but not always) have a small utility knife and a small disposable lighter on me as well.
In 90, maybe 95% of potential situations needing a BoB, I want to be found, not hide. In the remaining circumstances, most of the time hiding is a lot better than fighting; it's amazing how carrying a firearm will make one overestimate one's own threat capability.
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If you carry a melee weapon, a machete is best. IMO... I do have a good background with blades ( 7 years fencing, 3 of those being a fencing instructor, and assorted other blade training) Just keeping it simple is best.
Nepalese Khukri? (*NOT* I should point out, one of the Indian knock-offs, or worse, Chinese.).
I also advocate either an entrenching tool (The older 1950s style, not the new aluminum PoSes) or a Crowbar for a variety of useful tools and close combat usefulness. Machetes and Khukris are useful for brush work, as well, but a Crowbar can open doors and crates as well as zombie heads without damaging the blade.
Also, bring a whetstone or a sharpening steel if you have a blade.Lever action rifle, and a revolver chambered in the same caliber. Not having to worry about fumbling around with different ammo. Although on another note, having the same ammo means you're limited to that. What if you use .45, and you come across a huge stash of 9mm?
Simplicity of design is a good thing, and you don't get much more simple in a multi-shot weapon than a lever-action or a revolver. Just make sure you get a Swing-Out Cylinder or a Break-Open revolver rather than a solid-framed one. A sliding gate reload is the last thing you want to try in combat. But as I've seen Lever-Actions in .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum, that shouldn't be hard to do. They're good civilian rounds as well. .357 would probably be a better choice, lighter to carry means more ammo, and it's more than enough to splatter a Zed but good. Also, gunslinger belts and ammo pouches are easy to get/make/improvise. Police your brass, however, in case you find a reloading bench (And know how to reload ammo, of course.).
A Medusa Revolver (If you can find one) is great. It'll chamber and use any 9mm/.38 caliber pistol ammunition you can find. Out of production for quite some time. Too bad.
The ammunition thing was a major concern for my group when I ran Deadlands: Hell On Earth, as they tended to keep a brace of different types of Pistols, SMGs, and Rifles just in case they found the different types of ammunition. Of course, they had a truck. The problem was keeping it fueled. But it shows how bad things can get when your .45 runs out of ammo and all you can find are 9mm, as the above example.
IRL, different calibers were major problems for almost every military for quite some time. An example is the US Army, which had... I think three different pistols that used .45 Caliber ammo, but some wouldn't take .45 Colt Long, but would use .45 S&W (Which had a shorter case.) and their logistics, well... BC: Before Computers. Just before the turn of the century most countries had finally standardized on a rifle caliber (Each) and was working on doing the same for pistol calibers when World War I came around.
NATO/Warsaw Pact standardized a lot, but the civilian stuff still causes headaches at times. And, with the Cold War over, I could see some return to the old "One Country, One Caliber" as people experiment around with different calibers.
As for bags, yes, bigger bags means you're likely to overload them, but if you're able to resist it, it means you're able to scrounge more as you go if you find stuff that's really useful that you didn't pack before. Army Surplus is your friend here as you can prioritize different bags and drop some for combat situations while keeping your essentials with you.
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*Shrugs* I'm a gun nut, I talk to a lot of vets, and I role play. I also need mental distractions for a variety of reasons, so I plan and figure out what and how to improvise.
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Very valid points. I also need distractions from various things, and so do many I work with.
I shall play devil's advocate, even though I agree with most you said.
Crowbars are heavy... Big thing right there. Useful, but even the titanium ones weigh more than I'd like.
The khukri is an amazing weapon... One of my favorite, if well made.
I've had to reload a gate revolver in a stressful situation (Competition shooting western style) and it is not fun. I'm partial to break open, just because I think it's cooler than swing out. Slightly...
.357 is my favorite caliber ever. It's almost perfect for all but shooting someone in body armor.
A good thing is that almost any caliber pistol can be found in a hold out model. So I'd just keep a few in my bag of different calibers.
Also a Mad Max style sawed off shotgun would be the perfect "Oh s**t, I'm going to die" weapon.
On another note, I was at a local gun show the other weekend, and fell in love with the Taurus Circuit Judge. The carbine form of the revolver chambered in 410 guage and .45 LC. I loved it.
I prefer the classics to most modern guns. Show me a tricked out M4, with all the accessories, and I say "Meh." Show me a Mares Leg, and I say "Gimme."
Problem with one caliber is there is a different bullet for everything you want to do. Self defense, self defense for weaker people, for stronger, hunting, hunting different things, et cetera...
Anyway, we should idea stuff sometime.
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Also a Mad Max style sawed off shotgun would be the perfect "Oh s**t, I'm going to die" weapon.
Idea I stole off a friend's website: "'Emergency' Hand Grenade on a lanyard"
Anyway, we should idea stuff sometime.
Probably better if we don't. I think I'm on enough government watch lists as it is...
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This is my preferred BOB. http://www.tacticaltailor.com/threedayplusassaultpack.aspx (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/threedayplusassaultpack.aspx)
Without the outer bags it can still hold a lot and it's not so large that you're tempted to really weigh yourself down. Pack teh outer bags (EMPTY) into the main, and use them as you find things you need.
I'm a huge fan of KISS in this and many cases.
Multi-tool
Straightblade (between 4-6 inches)
E-Tool
Camelback
purification tabs
canteen
compass
map
Emergency Radio
matches and zippo
notepad with directions to safe places/friends
Cash/IDs/Critical papers
Trail rats for a week (MREs, E-bars, whatever)
Bottle of Ranger Candy
few changes of socks and underwear
protective gear:
pistol (my choice is a Springfield .40 XD and .357/.38 revolver)
broken down .223 M4 or lever action carbine in .357
if you want the emergency firepower...double barreled coach gun (12 gauge)
My Chinese longsword is not the best thing for zombie slaying, but a shortened Tetsubo would work wonders.
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love the tactical tailor, though some of the prices are astronomical.
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love the tactical tailor, though some of the prices are astronomical.
Agreed. I picked up mine 3-day assault pack over 10 years ago, but it's still as hardy as on day one. I love the thing.
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also gotta love that it's on my way into work some weekends.
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Downside to having an FLGS/Army Surplus store... Wanting to buy too damned much.
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there is a long list of places i refuse to apply to for work, as i know i'd end up owing them my entire paycheck plus some each payday!
REI
the Game Matrix in Tacoma
Golden Age Collectables Pike Place, Seattle
and possibly Costco
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Oh, I wish I could work there...