Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: JimJungle on <07-18-11/0017:48>
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I want to put a flashpack in the palm of a cyberhand. The cyberhand is also a grapple hand. You see where I'm going with this. Would there be more adverse effects of using a FP in point blank range, right against the face? Possible blindness? Unless they have Flare Comp.
That aside, I would like to say that, after playing for about 5 months now, out of all the cool stuff to do in SR, the Grapple Hand is my personal favorite. So much potential.
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I don't see why you couldn't attach the flashpack inside the hand, but a more serve modifier at point blank range? damage wise I wouldn't say so. Just the -2 for them to avoid it. Unless the hand had a gecko grip then you get a -6 but only if you have it in their face.
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What if, for dire circumstance, you have explosives packed into your grapple hand? You would lose your hand, but your enemy wouold lose alot more.
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Hold a stun baton and use your grapple hand when Bubba The Love Troll gets grabby. ;)
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or perhaps a shock glove/hand?
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There's a ton of devices that sounds like it'd be really cool to put into a grapple hand, but, honestly, most of it would be just as effective simply holding the device, and probably a lot cheaper. Heck, the grapple hand itself can be replaced with a grapple gun which has more than double the range.
Then again, it's the same thing with cyberlimbs in general. Most of the gear you might install in a cyberlimb is better off just bought as separate equipment, and not actually having a cyberlimb at all.
Cyberware scanners are good enough such you're probably not going to be able to hide the cyberlimb, so it's mostly a style thing.
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Question is, if the cyberlimb shows up on the scanner will the guards bother to check for modifications?
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Cyberware scanners are good enough such you're probably not going to be able to hide the cyberlimb, so it's mostly a style thing.
I think it's a fair argument either way if cyberware scanners can or cannot see the accessories of a cyberlimb. They're good, but there's also the question of how does the waves the cyberware scanner both reflect and pass though what's likely the same material. The rules are quiet and you can rule either way as long as it's consistent.
Personally, I'm a fan that they can't so there is a reason to put stuff in your cyberlimb. And it isn't much of an issue that a street samurai can sneak in his SMG arm when the mage can sneak in his brain regardless of the ruling.
Edit- Terrible writing
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Attach rocket boosters to the fist. Now you have a retractable Super Robot rocket punch.
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You know, I'm sure there are perfectly good reasons not to attach rocket boosters to everything, but right now I can't think of any.
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Cyberware scanners are good enough such you're probably not going to be able to hide the cyberlimb, so it's mostly a style thing.
I think it's a fair argument either way if cyberware scanners can or cannot see the accessories of a cyberlimb. They're good, but there's also the question of how does the waves the cyberware scanner both reflect and pass though what's likely the same material. The rules are quiet and you can rule either way as long as it's consistent.
Personally, I'm a fan that they can't so there is a reason to put stuff in your cyberlimb. And it isn't cause much trouble that a street samurai can sneak in his SMG arm when the mage can sneak in his brain regardless.
Another option could be to apply the various concealed gear rules found in Spy Games to cyberware. This, on top of the ware grade tresholds, could really mess up a scanners ability to figure out that the implant is not medical, cosmetic or some other acceptable ware.
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You know, I'm sure there are perfectly good reasons not to attach rocket boosters to everything, but right now I can't think of any.
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Rednecks, Rockets, and Lawn Chairs do not mix.
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You know, I'm sure there are perfectly good reasons not to attach rocket boosters to everything, but right now I can't think of any.
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Rednecks, Rockets, and Lawn Chairs do not mix.
Oh, how wrong you are, sir!
Just watch from a safe distance.
Preferably...YouTube.
-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist
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Hold muh beer ahn watch dis!
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FIRE IN THE HOLE *dives for cover*
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John Ringo books, a guilty pleasure of mine, gives a Redneck College Antimatter.
"Well, after we blew up a few mountains, we got the method of manufacturing right..."
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Lets say I have a mage who specializes in touch attacks, and who also has a full synthetic arm with grapple hand. Sine he paid for the arm in essence he can use it as an extension for his magic right? He could use his grapple hand to deliver touch attacks. And if you're saying "no" to that because his hand is not living flesh, therefore unable to communicate magic, than how about he grafts his own skin over his cyber arm, so that his living flesh covers it? He would have live flesh over his cyberware. By that logic he could use magic with his grapple hand. Just when you thought you could only do Ranged Touch Attacks in dnd. It would still count as a Touch Attack, right?
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Of course he can.
He can use an obvious cyber-arm without grapple hand, so there is NO reason at all to not allow him to use the grapple hand arm to do touch attacks.
I think we had that discussion some months back on dumpshock . .
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How about a troll with grapple hand, a profinity for large hammers, and likes throwing them. He gets the hammer attached to his cyberhand. he then throws his hammer with his hand attached to it. then he reals in his hand to do it again. Large Hammer of Returning +3
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You are only using the Arms strength/Quickness then. But sure, should work, i think.
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How about a troll with grapple hand, a profinity for large hammers, and likes throwing them. He gets the hammer attached to his cyberhand. he then throws his hammer with his hand attached to it. then he reals in his hand to do it again. Large Hammer of Returning +3
Well, now I got how Thor made his Mjollnir to return every time he throws it away...
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As long as the target's within 30 meters.
Grapple hands don't have great range.
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As long as the target's within 30 meters.
Grapple hands don't have great range.
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Oh don't they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1Mu8h95P0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1Mu8h95P0)
Skip to about 3:05.
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That's not a grapple hand.
That guy was chaining a massive number of modular cyberarms together, socketing the wrist attachment points into the elbow joint of the next arm.
:)
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As long as the target's within 30 meters.
Grapple hands don't have great range.
Grapple Gun
This gun can shoot a grappling hook out to 75 meters.
It comes equipped with an internal winch, to pull back the
grapple (or pull up small loads). Use Exotic Ranged Weapon
skill to wield this as a weapon; grapple gun attacks are resisted
with Impact armor.
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That's a different item.
Augmentation pg 46:
"Grapple Hand: This mod features a gun built into the lower arm that shoots the cyberhand like a grappling hook out to a maximum range of 30 meters. The hand is attached via myomeric rope (p. 337, SR4A) and can be remotely manipulated to grasp onto surfaces. An internal winch allows the character to pull himself up or retrieve his hand. Use Exotic Ranged Weapon: Grapple Gun to wield this as a weapon; it is resisted with Impact armor."
You can get Myomeric Rope for the regular grapple guns, but it doesn't work past 30 meters either.
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Point taken. But... If your throwing the hammer with hand attached it goes by throwing range, does it not? Up to the length of the rope of course.
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Your throwing hammer goes to ranges like that while NOT limited by extra ballast, like a rope and a cyberhand attached to it in flight.
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I'd probably use my grapple hand to grope people on the mass transit and then blame it on the people next to them. :P
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I'd probably use my grapple hand to grope people on the mass transit and then blame it on the people next to them. :P
Magic fingers works better. More of a groper type name too.
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Detachable drone hand would work better for gropings....
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Y'know, control actions might be the most disturbing way to accomplish the remote grope because it actually would be making someone else do it... for the subway wizard that just likes to watch strangers get felt up it makes the perfect spell.
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Great, now I have to practice my "Creepy Molester Smile" for the next time I force my group to use mass transit. :o
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Practice? Mine's always ready for In Character use....
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Y'know, control actions might be the most disturbing way to accomplish the remote grope because it actually would be making someone else do it... for the subway wizard that just likes to watch strangers get felt up it makes the perfect spell.
Or you could just go with orgy... 8) not only groping but the main course to go with!
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Combine with Mob Mind, and you can get a real party started!
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And KE will have their mages there immediately, going over everything with a fine toothed comb looking for signature...
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Is it Rape if you don't even touch anybody and simply give them an orgasm? O.o
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Is it Rape if you don't even touch anybody and simply give them an orgasm? O.o
Depends on which country you're in. In the UCAS, yes, it would count as a form of premeditated rape.
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Is it Rape if you don't even touch anybody and simply give them an orgasm? O.o
Most places, yes. The typical clauses from most laws these days would be "sexual intrusion" and "without consent".
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And making people orgasm, that there is a sexual intrusion. Especially if it's magicky in nature...
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And making people orgasm, that there is a sexual intrusion. Especially if it's magicky in nature...
Especially so, as the average person has ZERO defense against it.
After all, if it can be done within any range of sight, you can't even take a taser to the guy to try and protect yourself within legal limits... :(
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There sure do seem to be a lot of rape experts in here....
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There sure do seem to be a lot of rape experts in here....
College :P
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There sure do seem to be a lot of rape experts in here....
College :P
*facepalm*
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Oh lordy loo, my thread has turned into 4chan
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*Dons a Pedobear Mask*
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i gotta hankerin for some bear huntin.
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Calm down Everypony!
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speaking of things pervy, can you imgaine how 4chan sites will be when anyone can replace thier eyes with cameras? Perverts rejoice! the future is ours!
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I just puked. A little. In my mouth.
Then a lot. In the toilet.
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speaking of things pervy, can you imgaine how 4chan sites will be when anyone can replace thier eyes with cameras? Perverts rejoice! the future is ours!
Um, the pervs have better in SR.... It's called Sim. Sure, there are the legal sims, everything from My Little Brony, to Porn. Sometimes, both at the same time.... *shudders*
Then there's the illegal sims. Everything from brainfrying snuff sims, to the hot sim porn stuff.
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Black Beetles, nasty stuff.
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Try switching the roommate's "Hot Elf Fantasies" with "Bubba the Love Troll Extreme".
Film the reaction. Post on MeFeed.
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Try switching the roommate's "Hot Elf Fantasies" with "Bubba the Love Troll Extreme".
Film the reaction. Post on MeFeed.
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Oh gods... And then it would start a meme... Reaction videos... Find the SR Universe's version of 2G1C....
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2 Ghouls 1 Cabby?
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Try switching the roommate's "Hot Elf Fantasies" with "Bubba the Love Troll Extreme".
Film the reaction. Post on MeFeed.
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Oh god.... what would make that worse is having it be a BTL. XD
<.< That might kill someone just from viewing.... let alone mental scars..... <.< and if you hack it to last for more than one use... XD