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Which corps would be your #1 and #10 choices and why? Pure opinion but I'm curious if a majority is going to be popping up in either the love or hate category.
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My Number 1 Corp would be Horizon at the moment. They seem to be on the ball and quite particular when it comes to how they operate, giving people the chance to work in a Meritocracy.
Number 10: Aztechnology. I feel I don't need to explain why, but if you insist, well, I like my internal organs where they belong.
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#1 Would be Neonet. I just love the corp that keeps rising from the flames like a Pheonix. Plus I'm a big fan of Villiers and Lanier.
#10 Renraku. They are so full of fail it hurts.
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I would actually love to make this a poll where people rank their 1-10 count. Is there any way in the forum to do that? It seems to be only a 1 pick type thing :(
I am guessing that Renraku, MCT and Aztechnology will be at the very bottom while Horizon, Evo and Ares would be at the top.
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Think it's a pick one only type thing.
Ares is a close second because they have the shiny toys.
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First choice for me would be Saeder-Krupp, then maybe EVO or one created from home. Horizon is up to something evil.
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Saeder-Krupp: "JA mein Drachen-Meister!"
I need to be working for somebody whom i can respect.
Even if it's not my immediate superior, i know, in the end, i'm working for the most powerfull living being on the planet.
And that i can respect. Well, at the very least i can respect the ability to eat me without chewing even once . .
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#1 would be NeoNET. Richard Villiers and Miles Lanier are two of my favorite NPCs, and now you have Celedyr in the mix making things even more interesting.
#2 & #3 Would be Ares (Damien Knight + Guns = Goodness) and EVO (Interesting corp and friendlier than most)
#10 would be Aztechnology. I don't need to explain that.
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#1 MCT. I have a serious grudge against Puck and I'd love to get my hands on that mass murdering so-and-so. Sign me up for the Rose Garden, Dr. Sharon!
#2 Ares. If I'm going to be dealing with Black IC, I want my software to come from the mind inside Echo Mirage and the original Crash virus.
#10 Would be a tie between Horizon and Aztechnology. Horizon seems to work like the old studio system from golden age of Hollywoodland and I've heard too many horror stories to buy into that.
I couldn't work for Aztechnology because I'm too pale and it's too hot down there. Heck I got sunburned walking to dog yesterday.
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#1: Ares. Damien Knight = Tony Stark of 6th world
#10: Aztechnology = Umbrella of 6th world, evil b******s
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#1 Evo Metafriendly, great bioware and cyberware. Doint forget Yamatetsu NT for that milspec gear
#2 Ares Firefight, Fire watch teams, Big F**king guns, and Damien Knight likes to blow shit up
#3 Horizon yeah the Concensus is up to no good (or maybe all good) but I have an idea for a Mr. Johnson that I can't wait to use on my players.
#4 Neonet liked Fuchi back in the day Villiers and Lanier are cool.
#5 Wuxing At least they are not a Japanacorp, run by Lofwyr, or Aztechnology
#6 Saeder Krupp if I have to sell my soul I at least want to sell it to the highest ranked devil or dragon as the case may be
#7 Shiawase at least they are not Mitsuhama
#8 Renraku better to be incompetent and evil than just evil
#9 Mitsuhama The ethical soul mate of Aztechnology
#10 Aztechnology The original evil megacorp
Honorable mentions
Federated Boeing Go Seattle
Draco Foundation Big D you were the Wyrm!
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I'd have to pick:
#1 Ares (though S-K would be tied for 1st)
#10 Aztechnology (though they make fantastic antagonists)
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Right now, Ares #1. I'm in this game for money and when war is broken out there's plenty of opportunity to grab mine.
Last on the list Aztechnology, as CanRay said 'no explanation needed'.
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Oi Chums,
#1: Ares, Big guns are Big Fun. And if we evere have another "BUG City" fiasco well lets just say I want to be on the side with the biggest can of "Raid"!
#10: Horizon. Social engineering at its worst!!
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I think I should amend my answer to ask if Ghostwalker is hiring. Also can I get laxative impregnated body armor.
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Wait, why wouldn't you want to work for Aztechnology? Bloodzilla FTW!
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My first (and favorite) runner was a former MCT company man. I'd have to still pick MCT if for no other reason than to say "Yeah, these guys are scum - not only can you find skeletons in their closet, but I can tell you how each and every one of them is organized."
Also, their security policy leaves very little to the imagination. You can only fail once with these guys, either running for or against.
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1# Horizon: Would be the first to know all the celebrity gossip! Also the idea of the Consensus makes me feel all fuzzy in an odd Orwellian/Marxist way... :o
2# Saeder-Krupp: May as well aim high. (And you know, a dragon boss!)
10# Fuchi/CrossApplied/Any other folded corp.
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#1- Ares- I'm also a big fan of grade A bang-bang.
#10- Horizon- I know that The Big A is evil. but I'll take the evil I know over the evil I can only speculate on any day...
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My Number 1 is a bit further upthread allready.
#10 - Horizon: Seems to be a bit too Goody Two Shoes to me. Thanks, but NO thanks. I'll pass.
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It seems half of players seem to think Horizon is the front of an evil conspiracy, the other half seem to think they're a bunch of flower-love hippies, and no one seems to like them...
Maybe they should change their motto to "Horizon: at least we aren't Québécois."
(For the record, I like Horizon... they're a distinctively new & different take on a megacorp than what we've seen before, and personally I'll be disappointed if they turn out to be Yet Another Evil Conspiracy.)
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I would say
#1 Shiawase: because of the shiawase decision... beeing part of the "first" extraterritorial corp ;)
#10 Aztechnology: because they are missing a "vision"
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It seems half of players seem to think Horizon is the front of an evil conspiracy, the other half seem to think they're a bunch of flower-love hippies, and no one seems to like them...
Maybe they should change their motto to "Horizon: at least we aren't Québécois."
(For the record, I like Horizon... they're a distinctively new & different take on a megacorp than what we've seen before, and personally I'll be disappointed if they turn out to be Yet Another Evil Conspiracy.)
Although, to be fair, it could also read: "Aztechnology: at least we aren't Québécois." :P
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I'm actually really surprised Horizon dumped to the bottom for so many people. I figured they would be looked upon with suspicion but not to such a level that people would rather work for Big A or MCT ahead of them.
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I'm actually really surprised Horizon dumped to the bottom for so many people. I figured they would be looked upon with suspicion but not to such a level that people would rather work for Big A or MCT ahead of them.
That's the thing, we know what AZT and MCT are up to. Horizon, that's a big mystery. Mysteries are dangerous things.
Remember, the Universal Brotherhood were nice guys at one time, too...
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personally I'll be disappointed if they turn out to be Yet Another Evil Conspiracy.)
It's not the company itself, it's the nature of power in a dystopian world. Corporations don't want to be evil, but being a Corporation in the Sixth World inherently leads to evil.
Evil Conspiracies are like Doritos, sure the AAA says they'll have just a couple, but next thing you know the bag is empty and you've got orange fingers.
Orange fingers of evil.
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I think an important distinction to make -- among gamers, at least, and especially those with a D&D history -- is that corporations aren't evil, they're apathetic and greedy. The end result may be the same (death, destruction, a callous disregard for the welfare of others, that sort of thing), but it's important to remember that corporations, and most of their employees, aren't capital-E D&D style evil. They're just people who care about the bottom line more than they care about doing what's right.
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Here's why I worry about Horizon: They went in requesting AA-Status, and walked out with a seat on the Corporate Court as a AAA.
Now, it could just have been the CC recognizing the Corp as a major shark for it's wheels and deals during the chaos of Crash 2.0... But is that all?
No, there is something sinister going on. Are they Evil In A Suit? Maybe. Maybe they're something different. Or maybe they just have incriminating evidence that could cost the Corporate Court major face.
Or maybe the CEO is just that charismatic.
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That is an important distinction: the megacorps are not evil as such, just in it for the money. Even the "most evil" megacorp, Aztechnology, generally uses the nasty stuff like blood magic as a means towards greater profit rather than any grand plans for world domination. And on the flipside you have the megacorps many people consider "better" than most still dabbling in horrible, horrible things. (Like Ares with their experiments on insect spirits or NeoNet vivisecting technomancers... even Horizon has had their morally questionable brainwashing programs discussed.) Really, it seems like Evo is the only AAA that hasn't committed any horrible deeds that I remember.
But again, I have to say I'll be disappointed if it turns out that Horizon has some ::cue scary music:: dark secret behind it. The Universal Brotherhood was like The Sixth Sense of Shadowrun... it was powerful because it was the first big, dark twist. Currently Shadowrun is in danger of being like M. Night Shamalamadingdong, churning out "twists" like an assembly line. Honestly, if the developers want to shock Shadowrun fans, it will turn out that Horizon is an actual socially-responsible megacorp.
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Or they could just continue to string us along, make it look like dark secrets, and we find out that, no, it's only a small division that's doing it.
Like CrashCart originally was.
That would leave us tearing our hair out trying to figure out what's really going on.
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Ah, the CrashCart fiasco! Thank you, it was bugging me that I couldn't think of any particularly horrible things from Evo's history and was about to start rummaging through old sourcebooks.
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CrashCart fiasco!
can someone pm me details?
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People, especially VIP's got into "accidents" then got "rescued" by CrashCart faster and cheaper than DocWagon did . . And they got Cyber-Replacements with 2XS-Chips hardwired into them built in as part of the restauration of what was left of them to begin with. Remote Control 2XS Chips, to boot. So CrashCart could send people on trips better than BTL if and when they wanted to. And even if they did not, the chips themselves were still giving off higher than usual rates for chips, so the endeffect was that the people got burned out within weeks to months. And those who did not were, i think, seen as prime rib meat for insect spirits to possess . .
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Stahl, man, Spoilers!
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#1 Shiawase. I want to be part of a big family megacorp.
#10 Saeder-Krupp. I know the Big A is full of blood mages, but I would not work for a boss so hard to please.
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The only time I wanted to work for Saeder-Krupp was when Scale (Lofwyr's drake/ally/henchman) responded to someone saying they'd never work for a dragon with something along the lines of, "Imagine being given access to more information that you thought fathomable, any resources you could dream of, and the most powerful being in the Sixth World... that's working for Lofwyr." I wish I could find what old book that's from... but it really made me want to create a Drake player character working for the Golden Snout.
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Stahl, man, Spoilers!
Dude . . after more than 5 years, i just don't really care anymore . .
That's like people not knowing the end of Romeo and Juliet(They both die), or Titanic(They all die) . .
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The Universal Brotherhood was like The Sixth Sense of Shadowrun... it was powerful because it was the first big, dark twist.
Bull. Crap.
The Universal Brotherhood came out in 1990. Shadowrun might have been a year old at that point. Even in-game storywise, and most certainly among players, most people have been around long enough that they knew, or only knew, a world where the UB was evil.
Anyway, I'd pick Aztechnology, just like I always do when these things have come up since ... a long time.
"Nonetheless, he should be slow to believe and to move, nor should he make himself feared, and he should proceed in a temperate mode with prudence and humanity so that too much confidence does not make him incautious and to much diffidence does not render him intolerable.
From this a dispute arises whether it is better to be loved than feared, or the reverse. The response is that one would want to be both the one and the other; but because it is difficult to put them together, it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one has to lack one of the two. For one can say this generally of men: that they are ungrateful, fickle, pretenders, and dissemblers, evaders of danger, eager for gain. While you do them good, they are yours, offering you their blood, property, lives and children, as I said above, when the need for them is far away; but, when it is close to you, they revolt."
-- Niccolo Machiavelli. The Prince (Mansfield, 2nd ed.), p.66.
"The prince should nonetheless make himself feared in such a mode that if he does not acquire love, he escapes hatred, because being feared and not being hated can go together very well. This he will always do if he abstains from the property of his citizens and his subjects, and from their women... But above all, he must abstain from the property of others, because men forget the death of a father more quickly than the loss of a patrimony."
-- Niccolo Machiavelli. The Prince (Mansfield, 2nd ed.), p.67.
"I conclude, then, returning to being feared and loved, that since men love at their convenience and fear at the convenience of the prince, a wise prince should found himself on what is his, not on what is someone else's; he should only contrive to avoid hatred, as was said."
-- Niccolo Machiavelli. The Prince (Mansfield, 2nd ed.), p.68.
Being a company man I have long held has meant having a higher than average rate of having to deal with civilians and not just the shadows. In the shadows, you're feared; in the real world Aztechnology PR is so g-d good you're loved; and generally if you are good enough to rate being a company man you know how to blend those sentiments together in both worlds so that you are both loved and feared.
And no one lives long enough to hate you much.
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The only time I wanted to work for Saeder-Krupp was when Scale (Lofwyr's drake/ally/henchman) responded to someone saying they'd never work for a dragon with something along the lines of, "Imagine being given access to more information that you thought fathomable, any resources you could dream of, and the most powerful being in the Sixth World... that's working for Lofwyr." I wish I could find what old book that's from... but it really made me want to create a Drake player character working for the Golden Snout.
Dragons of the Sixth World, I'm pretty sure. It's where Scale and another drake are sniping at each other in commentary.
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Crimson, I hope you realize that Machiavelli wrote "The Prince" as a satire and critique of the Medici family (the mobbin-est family in the history of Itally) after they turned him down for patronage and publically insulted him. It... wasn't meant to be taken seriously... though the Medici's beat him by massively reprinting it and portraying it as a serious work in order to defame Machiavelli. Hell, they bought the Papacy, twice. What's ruining the name of a young political theorist next to that. The longevity and proliferation of The Prince is a testament to the power of the Italian mob.
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Crimson, I hope you realize that Machiavelli wrote "The Prince" as a satire and critique of the Medici family
That's become a more modern interpretation, but there is by no means a consensus on that idea. Many still believe Machiavelli was looking for work anywhere he could get it and was sucking up to the Medici.
The greatest impediment to historical truth is the doctoral thesis.
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Crimson, I hope you realize that Machiavelli wrote "The Prince" as a satire and critique of the Medici family (the mobbin-est family in the history of Itally) after they turned him down for patronage and publically insulted him. It... wasn't meant to be taken seriously... though the Medici's beat him by massively reprinting it and portraying it as a serious work in order to defame Machiavelli. Hell, they bought the Papacy, twice. What's ruining the name of a young political theorist next to that. The longevity and proliferation of The Prince is a testament to the power of the Italian mob.
Most of it is just common sense. At least I believe so. I got bored halfway through because I wasn't learning anything new...
-ARCimedes
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Hm. I'll just say that you missed the most important part.
Of course, consider that I specifically cited the Mansfeld edition. Straussians straight up represent!
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#1 is DocWagon all the way
#10 would be Renraku. Boooooooring!