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Title: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: JM_Hardy on <03-18-11/0007:05>
Attitude errata can be submitted here!

Jason H.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: KarmaInferno on <03-18-11/1310:26>
PDF seems to take forever to load each page past the covers. Running "reduce file size" optimization in Acrobat Pro fixed the problem, though I had to re-create the Bookmarks.

Speaking of bookmarks, several typoes there.



-k
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Raventrickster on <03-18-11/1923:21>
Seems to be an issue with how Adobe Acrobat loads the file, because it runs smooth as silk in Foxit Reader.

Also another typo early on... need to find the page for it again...

There we go, page 20, right column first paragraph, line 4

"Then, get to other some landmark or another. "

I'm guessing that other shouldn't be there.

EDIT: added line number
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: bigity on <04-15-11/1059:30>
So I saw there was a new print run of Attitude.  Will the current errata be included in the reprint?


EDIT: I meant Arsenal so disregard :)
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: DesVoeux on <04-15-11/2221:41>
page 135: Aufheben comments about the music industry, when it should probably be Kat o' Nine Tales. (Sunshine responds to the post about how the poster is in a band and has a manager... Aufheben is an anarchist mercenary with Black Star, Kat o' Nine Tales is in a band and has a manager.)

page 137: Winterhawk comments, "Say what you want about Haze, but I'm pretty sure he's too smart to rise to that kind of baiting." But Ma'Fan is who he should be referring to, and Ma'Fan is a she.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: FastJack on <04-15-11/2356:35>
page 135: Aufheben comments about the music industry, when it should probably be Kat o' Nine Tales. (Sunshine responds to the post about how the poster is in a band and has a manager... Aufheben is an anarchist mercenary with Black Star, Kat o' Nine Tales is in a band and has a manager.)
The post with Aufheben (and Sunshine's response) is on p. 132-133 and Sunshine's response is discussing bands because Aufheben used the band/music metaphor to explain why shadowrunners shouldn't be managers/bosses of other shadowrunners.
page 137: Winterhawk comments, "Say what you want about Haze, but I'm pretty sure he's too smart to rise to that kind of baiting." But Ma'Fan is who he should be referring to, and Ma'Fan is a she.
This comment is in response to Ma'Fan discussing Fatima's death, which Haze had a part in

Quote from: Ghost Cartels, p. 20
> All I want to know is if the First Nations killed Fatima and if Haze had anything to do with that. Iím not going to lose any sleep over some spoiled Salish brat slumming it in Seattle, but there were First Nations gangers in that firefight that Fatima was caught in. If I find out that Haze was there or that he helped these assholes kill her, heíd better pray that Lone Star finds him before I do.
> Pistons

> I swear to God, I wasnít there, Pistons. I knew the First Nations and Ragers were fighting over tempo, but I didnít know Fatima was involved. I wouldnít have let it get to that point if I knew. Lone Star is breathing down my neck, shaking down my contacts to find me. The First Nations arenít lifting a finger to help me. Theyíd probably turn me in if they knew where I was. I have to leave Seattle for awhile. I donít know when Iíll be back on Jackpoint. Iím really sorry about Fatima. Iím sorry about everything.
> Haze
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: DesVoeux on <04-16-11/0216:39>
I stand corrected. My apologies.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: FastJack on <04-16-11/0954:20>
I stand corrected. My apologies.
No problem! Good to see you're checking the content for errors as well. :)
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Bull on <04-17-11/1614:13>
Keep in mind a couple things..

1)  Shadowtalkers will comment on anything, not just their areas of expertise.  They're "real people", and as such have a little knowledge about a lot of things.  They also all have a bit of an ego, and they all like talking.  Lord knows I'll pipe up on random threads here and on Dumpshock and RPGnet about anything I have a passing interest in, even if I'm not all that knowledgeable about the subject, if I happen to know (Or think I know) a fact or two.

2)  Not every Jackpointer knows every other Jackpointer all that well.  There's a poster on RPGnet that would start a weekly thread for a TV show I liked.  I contributed to that thread every week, and numerous threads this person had posted in.  The poster made no secret of the fact that she was female, but her handle was a bit ambiguous (I know a guy who used the same handle on IRC years ago, and knew him IRL, so know he was a he), and it just didn't come up very often.  For probably 4 years, I assumed this poster was male, and one day referred to them as "he" and got corrected.

When it comes to the Shadowtalk, never assume anything written is an error on the author's part.  It might be.  But it might also be a deliberate error.  Shadowtalkers are not always right, and they don't always know everything.

Bull
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Critias on <04-17-11/1625:58>
Shadowtalkers are not always right, and they don't always know everything.
Which are two ways they differ from real-life posters on internet forums.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Bull on <04-17-11/1721:55>
Shadowtalkers are not always right, and they don't always know everything.
Which are two ways they differ from real-life posters on internet forums.

Hah!  Now now...  RL posters only THINK they know.  And most Jackpointers probably do to. ;)

Bull
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: CanRay on <04-17-11/1729:03>
With Shadowtalk, especially the old books when ShadowLand was the post of preference, opinions were like hoopholes...

Everyone has one, and they're not always clean.  :P
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Bull on <04-17-11/1745:21>
Exactly :)

Nothing written as Shadowtalk (or indeed, anything that's written In Character) can be considered 100% Gospel Truthiness.  Everything posted is colored by opinion, colored by prejudice, and sometimes people are, simply put, wrong.  Most stuff won't be and the Jackpointers especially are all highly skilled professionals (for the most part), but there's always that slight margin for error.  And that margin is deliberate, always has been.  It maintains the fiction of us seeing the game world through the sometimes distorted eyes of it's inhabitants, and it gives the GM some wiggle room to adapt the game canon to his needs without always completely disregarding it.

Bull
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: CanRay on <04-17-11/1749:12>
And bear in mind that even the stuff that isn't Shadowtalk is usually posted in character as well, or is copy-pasted from sources that are...  Less than reliable.

Going back to good ol' Dirk (*Pours a 40 on the curb*), he said that you take one extreme, take the other, give a little leeway, and the answer will be somewhere in the middle.  Bear in mind that most of the stuff we're reading about the Shadowrun Universe can be said to be coming from one of those extremes.  (Anti-Corporate Neo-Anarchistic Amoral Borderline-Sociopathic Shadowrunners.  And some aren't so borderline.  *Cough*Kane*Cough*.).
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Ultra Violet on <06-13-11/1755:43>
Errata Points:
p. 160 [Black-Box]:
Armor: Most clothing does not come with any ballistic or impact protection, but new techniques allow for some protection. Carbon-boron infusion, Kevlar threading, and Delta-amyloid coatings are available. (Layered protection rules still apply). these modifications can be added to regular clothing or to armor clothing (p. 326, SR4A)
How does it work? Does count every Armor-option separately as layer or does it stack with other options? Another thing is the compatibility with YNT SoftWeave Armor (see War! p.160-161), welcome to high-power-armored PC... :P

p. 166 [Black-Box]:
Medusa Extensions: Missing Rule-Text (including Std. Upgrades)
 :o Seriously guys, you used so much page space for doubled tables in this book, and the actual text is missing. ;D


Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: gerzel on <06-17-11/1617:34>
I don't know if this has been mentioned pardon me if it has, but about StimTouch Hosiery.

I assume the 6R restricted version has been modified to give the electric shocks and that normal StimTouch is avail 6.  What is the difficulty in modifying it?  (It wouldn't be a very good product if it were restricted like that.)

Also Form Fitting Body Armor should be noticeable.  In the flavor text the runner supposedly wore FFBA under stimtouch and while that is possible FFBA isn't see-through.  I'd think Zoe Second Skin would be a better choice for this as it is made to be see-through and is worn as much as a fashion statement as armor.

It would be nice to have an official ruling on just how noticable FFBA/Second Skin and other forms of hidden body armor are.

I figure FFBA can easilly be hidden under clothes but is instantly noticable on bare skin(ie anyone can tell its there if you are wearing just FFBA and nothing else.)  While Zoe SS you can also TELL that something is being worn when nothing else is on, it is like wearing a clear latex or rubber body suit.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: RavenX on <01-27-12/1938:44>
Glad to see you do have errata forums for this,

Anyways p. 151 and p. 154 refer to the Gentleman's Cane... on 151 it mentions that the cane can hold a concealed sword or gun, but on 154 only the sword is given statistics.  Is this a misprint or can it indeed hold a gun?  If so what kind of gun can it hold? 
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: All4BigGuns on <01-27-12/2017:56>
I don't know if this has been mentioned pardon me if it has, but about StimTouch Hosiery.

I assume the 6R restricted version has been modified to give the electric shocks and that normal StimTouch is avail 6.  What is the difficulty in modifying it?  (It wouldn't be a very good product if it were restricted like that.)

Also Form Fitting Body Armor should be noticeable.  In the flavor text the runner supposedly wore FFBA under stimtouch and while that is possible FFBA isn't see-through.  I'd think Zoe Second Skin would be a better choice for this as it is made to be see-through and is worn as much as a fashion statement as armor.

It would be nice to have an official ruling on just how noticable FFBA/Second Skin and other forms of hidden body armor are.

I figure FFBA can easilly be hidden under clothes but is instantly noticable on bare skin(ie anyone can tell its there if you are wearing just FFBA and nothing else.)  While Zoe SS you can also TELL that something is being worn when nothing else is on, it is like wearing a clear latex or rubber body suit.

Only question I've always had on the Second Skin (over two editions mind you) is whether or not it has the benefit that FFBA has in relation to armor encumbrance. Personally, whether it does or not by "RAW", I think it should since it is generally even more form-fitting and custom fitted than FFBA is.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: JustADude on <01-27-12/2305:38>
Only question I've always had on the Second Skin (over two editions mind you) is whether or not it has the benefit that FFBA has in relation to armor encumbrance. Personally, whether it does or not by "RAW", I think it should since it is generally even more form-fitting and custom fitted than FFBA is.

Now for the big question, does Second Skin stack with FFBA?
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Kesslan on <07-19-12/1545:53>
Errata Points:
p. 160 [Black-Box]:
Armor: Most clothing does not come with any ballistic or impact protection, but new techniques allow for some protection. Carbon-boron infusion, Kevlar threading, and Delta-amyloid coatings are available. (Layered protection rules still apply). these modifications can be added to regular clothing or to armor clothing (p. 326, SR4A)
How does it work? Does count every Armor-option separately as layer or does it stack with other options? Another thing is the compatibility with YNT SoftWeave Armor (see War! p.160-161), welcome to high-power-armored PC... :P

I'd also like to see a bit more clarity on this one as, as a GM, I interpret it to strictly mean the mods can only be applied to normal clothes, and specifically the piece of gear called  'Armor Clothing' which is listed in the cited page reference (As opposed to 'Armored Clothing' being a class of armour of which the page reference has a few such as the synergist) and that the specific mention of layering rules means the mods count as layering against each other and thus you can't for example take a piece of clothing, add all 3 mods and have it come out to 6/3 armour. (Not that I mind that so much as that's hardly a stellar rating but I've already got players trying to abuse it). The other question is then how does it affect 'Armor Clothing' specifically. Does it add directly to it, or layer? The latter is an odd way of working but could be argued to be the way it's intended given the specific reference to layering rules.

In either case the way the entry is written it's left a few things a little vague.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: All4BigGuns on <07-19-12/1654:45>
Only question I've always had on the Second Skin (over two editions mind you) is whether or not it has the benefit that FFBA has in relation to armor encumbrance. Personally, whether it does or not by "RAW", I think it should since it is generally even more form-fitting and custom fitted than FFBA is.

Now for the big question, does Second Skin stack with FFBA?

Considering it's even more form-fitting than FFBA, I think it should both stack and get the same benefit toward encumbrance. I mean it probably could be worn under the FFBA after all.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: Kesslan on <07-19-12/2143:32>
I don't know that that would be the case. There is such as thing as wearing too much too close to the skin and then rendering your joints less flexible as a result. It's certainly something that can happen IRL if you layer things far too much (Such as for example with some stage costumes etc).
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: FuelDrop on <08-04-12/2020:15>
going to throw my hat into the ring here with a question:
can the armour weaves (ie. the upgrades for clothing/armoured clothing) be applied to things like the Ares Globetrotter line of clothing-which-is-also-armour, or to suits like the Zoe Executive Suite Line? how about second skin and holoweave clothing? or can we assume that the upgrades are already the techniques used to give such armoured clothing its rating, and if so why can they then be applied to armoured clothing (vanilla) from the BBB but not these other forms of armoured clothing?
thanks in advance for replies.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: I_V_Saur on <01-24-13/1708:09>
Nano-Fixx. Pistons complains that "they retail 80• a pop, which is insane if you ask me." (Page 164)

The table, page 166, says 35.

Could be she's wrong. Seems to be a pretty sizeable discrepancy, though.
Title: Re: Official Attitude errata thread
Post by: chinlamp on <07-28-13/2130:01>
Nano-Fixx. Pistons complains that "they retail 80• a pop, which is insane if you ask me." (Page 164)

The table, page 166, says 35.

Could be she's wrong. Seems to be a pretty sizeable discrepancy, though.

Could be where she is in the world at the time.  Those values are generally what it goes for in Seattle, if she were in, say, London/Hong Kong/Tenochtitlan at the time of posting, it's entirely possible that that is what they go for.

She could have gone to a shop that really jacks up prices or just gotten really ripped off by a hot store clerk.

Or, yeah, she could be way off.

Personally, I'm only for errata and spelling fixes (except the most egregious) in the rules and lore sections.  Shadowtalk is generally forum posting and doesn't always get fully spellchecked or sometimes has auto-correct issues.  Keeps flavour and shows that they all aren't perfect people if they sometimes screw up their words.