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Title: Other Gear Books?
Post by: silveralen on (20:43:33/02-05-11)
I'm a bit of a gun nut, and was curious if any other books beside arsenal and augmentation had interesting weapons and tech?
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: FastJack on (20:58:03/02-05-11)
War! has some updated/new weapons, but the other books focus more on their primary topic.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: silveralen on (22:26:46/02-05-11)
I figured as much, not many people love weapon lists like I do lol. Thanks for the quick response I'd been considering war anyways so I may pick itup as my next addition.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Medicineman on (03:01:08/02-06-11)
Quote
...., not many people love weapon lists like I do lol.
Don't you believe that ,there are more Weapon Nuts (wahay more  ;D) than you imagine & there were a lot of Weapon Pages for SR3 (Rayguns,Tunnelwelt,etc) in the WWW

with a lot of Dances
Medicineman
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (17:36:36/02-20-11)
I'm just going to take this opportunity to say I want more "Gun Porn" and "Gear Porn", as my "Vehicle Porn" allotment has been happily fed with "This Old Drone" and "MilSpecTech".
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (19:45:44/02-20-11)
I'm just going to take this opportunity to say I want more "Gun Porn" and "Gear Porn", as my "Vehicle Porn" allotment has been happily fed with "This Old Drone" and "MilSpecTech".
There are counselling services available for these addictions, you know :P
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (21:05:20/02-20-11)
There are counselling services available for these addictions, you know :P
What problem?  I'm not the one with the problem.  YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM!!!

...

...

I can stop whenever I want.

I just don't want to.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: aimlessfreak on (21:08:00/02-20-11)
sounds like some ones in denial
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (21:21:23/02-20-11)
I would just like to voice my opinion and buying habits to the CGL crew that just might be paying attention.   ;D
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (21:21:49/02-20-11)
sounds like some ones in denial
Denial.... not just a big river in Egypt.... *ba-doom*CHING*  ;D
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: FastJack on (07:56:24/02-21-11)
Since they've started releasing a pdf-only companion product to most of the books coming out; and we've seen a fair share of gear books, I think we can hope for more like MilSpecTech and This Old Drone.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (08:09:40/02-21-11)
Since they've started releasing a pdf-only companion product to most of the books coming out; and we've seen a fair share of gear books, I think we can hope for more like MilSpecTech and This Old Drone.
Exxxxxxcellent :D
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: FastJack on (08:42:42/02-21-11)
Since they've started releasing a pdf-only companion product to most of the books coming out; and we've seen a fair share of gear books, I think we can hope for more like MilSpecTech and This Old Drone.
Exxxxxxcellent :D
This is all speculation on my part. For the real word, we'd have to get Mr. Hardy to confirm/deny. ;D
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Mäx on (10:00:54/02-21-11)
I'm still hoping that someday we get a PDF-supplement for Arsenal containing all the extra stuff from the German arsenal and some other extra gear.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: savaze on (11:34:50/02-21-11)
I'm still hoping for build your own weapons and vehicles rules...
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (17:56:23/02-21-11)
I'm still hoping for build your own weapons and vehicles rules...

I'm still hoping for upgraded Military Grimoire with expensive-as-hell F-class spells that are better than the standard versions.

It'll never happen, but I live in hope!  :-\
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Mäx on (18:35:39/02-21-11)
I'm still hoping for build your own weapons and vehicles rules...
I dont really see a need to have rules for that.
Creating new weapons is quite easy by just eyeballing the existing weapons for referance and vehicle creation shouldn't be much harder.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (18:47:43/02-21-11)
I'm still hoping for build your own weapons and vehicles rules...
I dont really see a need to have rules for that.
Creating new weapons is quite easy by just eyeballing the existing weapons for referance and vehicle creation shouldn't be much harder.
Query: I thought Arsenal had full build rules for both of these options? With Examples?

Or am I getting 3e and 4e confused again?  ::).... Better go take my meds  :o....
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: savaze on (19:05:21/02-21-11)
I'm still hoping for build your own weapons and vehicles rules...
I dont really see a need to have rules for that.
Creating new weapons is quite easy by just eyeballing the existing weapons for referance and vehicle creation shouldn't be much harder.
Query: I thought Arsenal had full build rules for both of these options? With Examples?

Or am I getting 3e and 4e confused again?  ::).... Better go take my meds  :o....
3e had all the rules for off the cuff building, 4e only has rules to modify existing builds...
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (19:30:59/02-21-11)
Query: I thought Arsenal had full build rules for both of these options? With Examples?

Or am I getting 3e and 4e confused again?  ::).... Better go take my meds  :o....
3e had all the rules for off the cuff building, 4e only has rules to modify existing builds...
Hmm, better up my dosage....  :-\
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (19:56:14/02-21-11)
The hard part is setting a price for weapons that you build yourself.  As a GM.

As a Player, the GM should point and laugh, and get the rest of the group involved in exchange for Karma.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Henker on (16:34:31/02-25-11)
I think that it is also part of the GM job to populate the universe with intersting items for the campaign... including guns ;)
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (18:03:38/02-25-11)
I'm the only gun nut in my group.   :'(  They don't want more guns.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Henker on (08:03:27/02-26-11)
I'm the only gun nut in my group.   :'(  They don't want more guns.
outch! I understand your situation!
I am lucky to have some gear-head in my group and we have fun in creating new weapons/vehicules..
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: aimlessfreak on (08:04:25/02-26-11)
I'm not really a die hard gun nut I'm just a dabbler
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: khansgod01 on (00:57:30/02-27-11)
Guns guns and more guns...

Whats wrong with that statement????
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Rockopolis on (01:09:11/02-27-11)
No commas.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (09:46:29/02-27-11)
Punctuation, and the fact that it's firearms we want, not guns.

Guns go on ships and are also called artillery.   :P

Honestly, other than the rare mortar and a Panther Assault Cannon, when do Shadowrunners get access to Artillery?
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (04:18:44/02-28-11)
Punctuation, and the fact that it's firearms we want, not guns.

Guns go on ships and are also called artillery.   :P

Honestly, other than the rare mortar and a Panther Assault Cannon, when do Shadowrunners get access to Artillery?

This is my rifle, and this is my gun....

Shadowrunners get access to lots of Artillery, if running a Merc campaign...and using War!tm
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (11:14:01/02-28-11)
Yeah, I've been warned against War!.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: FastJack on (12:14:45/02-28-11)
Yeah, I've been warned against War!.
That's a shame.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (18:25:23/02-28-11)
Yeah, I've been warned against War!.
That's a shame.
That's a crying shame  :'(

There are some sweet, SWEET things  :o in that book....
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (19:40:40/02-28-11)
I've heard it being referred to as "The Bogota Sourcebook without a map, oh, and some gear" book.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: FastJack on (20:17:18/02-28-11)
Granted, I'm a fanboi. And the book does have some issues, but I still like it and have not regretted the purchase.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (20:30:42/02-28-11)
I'm a fanboy on a budget.   :'(
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Dakka on (20:33:40/02-28-11)
I've heard it being referred to as "The Bogota Sourcebook without a map, oh, and some gear" book.

This is actually a pretty fair description.  Except I would also add "some gear which includes a Battle Rifle with High Velocity Full Auto but no FA mode, so its the most expensive sport rifle ever."

Some of the rules coming out of War! make for a game breaking experience.  If you thought the tanks had high armor BEFORE, now its fairly simple to get 18/11 on a starting character with body 5 and strength 5.  None of it is even restricted, you will simply always LOOK like a 'Runner.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (22:17:05/02-28-11)
Yeah, one new rifle doesn't offer enough for me to spend my limited funds on.

If War! was about, you know, war around the world, make-up of 2070s military units, or even just touching on the hot spots and border skirmishes and so on...  You know, like "Fields of Fire" was for mercs (Even if it was a bit preachy)...  Maybe even touch on the human loss that occurs.  OH!  And Desert Wars!  I so wanted to hear how those were set up!

But, yeah, "Bogota the Sourcebook" doesn't interest me that much, sorry.  And, well, the lack of a map as well...  Makes doing a house-to-house fighting campaign difficult if you don't even have a good idea what the neighborhoods are, to see where you're fighting to and what you're trying to take and why.  Maybe one as a Downloadable for the website might peak my interest more.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: FastJack on (00:06:49/03-01-11)
Eh, to each his own. ;D
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (00:58:50/03-01-11)
I'd also need a group interested in a military campaign.  Especially an urban one.

I'm the only militaria nut in my group.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Critias on (01:13:47/03-01-11)
If War! was about, you know, war around the world, make-up of 2070s military units, or even just touching on the hot spots and border skirmishes and so on...  You know, like "Fields of Fire" was for mercs (Even if it was a bit preachy)...  Maybe even touch on the human loss that occurs.  OH!  And Desert Wars!  I so wanted to hear how those were set up!
I think it's important to point out (amidst the War! hyperbole flying around the interwebs) that lots of that is covered in War!.  Hotspots and border skirmishes, generic stats for an assortment of various soldiers and sailors for GMs throwing together military units, etc, etc.

It's not a perfect sourcebook, and it's not just Fields of Fire, Part Deux, but pages 115-180 have nothing to do with Bogota.  It's got a global hotspots chapter, warfare vs. shadowrunning, suggestions for running a military/merc campaign, additional rules (like for the Leadership skill, one of my personal favorite parts of the book), new grunts and contacts (various types of soldiers and MPs and such), and then about 25 pages of new guns, armor, vehicles, etc, etc, etc. 

I'll admit right alongside everyone that it's not my favorite sourcebook, by a longshot (and it's true, a map would've been nice).  But it's not the ZOMG WORST BOOK EVAR that some folks have made it out to be, either.

I also hope people get over their surprise at it being a mixture of specific setting -> general setting -> fluff -> crunch all in one book, because it's the basic format for several upcoming books.  Rather than it being "Target: Bogota: Plus Some Other Crap," it's a format designed to provide some setting information for Bogota, then some information on the war in Bogota, then some information on war in general (all complete with rules).  Instead of talking about war wholly in the abstract, it's a book about war in Shadowrun, yes, but with a focus on an actual war that's currently going on.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Loki on (01:48:50/03-01-11)


I also hope people get over their surprise at it being a mixture of specific setting -> general setting -> fluff -> crunch all in one book, because it's the basic format for several upcoming books.  Rather than it being "Target: Bogota: Plus Some Other Crap," it's a format designed to provide some setting information for Bogota, then some information on the war in Bogota, then some information on war in general (all complete with rules).  Instead of talking about war wholly in the abstract, it's a book about war in Shadowrun, yes, but with a focus on an actual war that's currently going on.

Precisely, The only difference between the layout of War and of Runner Havens, Feral Cities, etc is instead of two in depth areas they covered one and added a bunch of military rules and fluff.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: aimlessfreak on (01:55:18/03-01-11)
I'm still planning on getting War, though its no on the top of my list right now, but the thing that I've heard that bugs me the most is that there wasn't much in the way Jackpoint comments.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Critias on (02:02:38/03-01-11)
I'm still planning on getting War, though its no on the top of my list right now, but the thing that I've heard that bugs me the most is that there wasn't much in the way Jackpoint comments.
Which is actually, for me, a big part of why I don't like it as much as I could have.  It's also something that was missed by more than just you, though -- trust me -- and what I've seen, and what I've written myself, of upcoming sourcebooks ameliorates that lack of shadowtalk goodness.
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: aimlessfreak on (02:03:54/03-01-11)
Thank you  :D
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (02:43:24/03-01-11)
OK, good to get a second opinion on it.  I'll wait and see if I can look at a copy of it before I make my decision.

As for a lack of shadowtalk, BOO!  I likes me my shadowtalk.

Wish I could edit it and do a "ShadowSEA" version or something with more Shadowtalk...  Guess the JackPointers just don't have much to say about war.  Which kind of makes sense, there's only, what, two, three people that have actual military experience in the group?
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: Charybdis on (17:57:54/03-01-11)
OK, good to get a second opinion on it.  I'll wait and see if I can look at a copy of it before I make my decision.

As for a lack of shadowtalk, BOO!  I likes me my shadowtalk.

Wish I could edit it and do a "ShadowSEA" version or something with more Shadowtalk...  Guess the JackPointers just don't have much to say about war.  Which kind of makes sense, there's only, what, two, three people that have actual military experience in the group?
I highly recommend the book. Even if to just scare the PC's that this is the gear you're reading about for use by corps in defensive positions  ;D

I also miss the Shadowtalk...need's more input from JackPointers..

Who cares if only a few posters have military experience? I'll bet only a fraction of posters on this particular forum have military experience, but the vast majority (myself included) will offer armchair-expert opinions  :P
Title: Re: Other Gear Books?
Post by: CanRay on (20:25:24/03-01-11)
Hell, I've gone on military rants (Despite being a Civvie puke) on occasion that had me backed by enlisted more than some REMF that "Actually served my $Deity-Damned Country".

I found out that my FLGS had a copy, flipped through it, found that it did appear interesting enough for the price, and bought it.