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Catalyst Game Labs => Catalyst's Shadowrun Products => Topic started by: Mara on (03:58:36/04-16-14)

Title: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (03:58:36/04-16-14)
I was looking at the coming releases page, and noticed that it seems to be rather out of date.
First, it only lists one Introductor Boxed Set, not the two that the product got split into.
It still lists Splintered State as coming(wasn't this, like, already released?)

Now, given SR seems to do things different from the BattleTech Side, I can understand them still listing
Run and Gun as "coming soon," because the SR side doesn't consider something released until it
is released in print(while the BT side considers something released as soon as it is out in PDF).

However, shouldn't there be something new showing up following the release of Splintered States?
Shouldn't they already be announcing the book to follow Run and Gun? SHouldn't it list both of the
split Introductory Boxed Set products instead of just the original "planned, but plans have changed"
product?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: TheDarkMessiah on (04:07:18/04-16-14)
The voices from the metaplanes, they tell me that the magic book is next. I do not know whether I can trust them though.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (04:52:46/04-16-14)
The voices from the metaplanes, they tell me that the magic book is next. I do not know whether I can trust them though.

Well, remember that, originally, Run Faster was up before Run and Gun..and then was dropped completely..so..
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (17:22:17/04-16-14)
The voices from the metaplanes, they tell me that the magic book is next. I do not know whether I can trust them though.

Well, remember that, originally, Run Faster was up before Run and Gun..and then was dropped completely..so..

*materializes into the physical plane*

"You DARE question my all-seeing Divinations, mortal?!"


Anyways, I was the one that reported this little tidbit. It specifically came from this Facebook post back in March:
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Today's Phrase that Pays is lifted directly from the art notes for Street Grimoire: "corrupted coconut octopus." jmh

Source (https://www.facebook.com/shadowruntabletopgame/posts/10152234637924591?stream_ref=10)

It was the only mention of an upcoming product apart from R&G being even mentioned, the other being the board game Hostile Takeover. Other then that, not a peep about Data Trails, Run Faster, Rigger 5 (?), or whatever-the-hell-Augmentation-5th is going to be called. It's admittedly not much to go on, but that's really all we've got. CGL has been known to work on one big source/rulebook at a time, so I doubt the other rulebooks are being worked on at the same time as Street Grimoire. Other than that, nothing on what's happening with Stolen Souls, and nothing on Seattle Boxed Set that was teased in the Digital Tool Box.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (17:11:33/04-17-14)
Post on FB today...PDF proofs of Stolen Souls in for review.  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (17:17:51/04-17-14)
Stolen Souls?

Got paydata for us new to the shadows on this, chummer?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (17:31:03/04-17-14)
Stolen Souls?

Got paydata for us new to the shadows on this, chummer?

Basically, first official sourcebook of SR5.

Details more development of the Sybil Virus plotline, setting details on Manhattan, and crunch wise is supposed to provide stuff for extraction runs.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (19:37:09/04-17-14)
Fraggin' Facebook. How about posting those very same news here on the forums for those of us who are social dinosaurs? :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: CanRay on (19:54:28/04-17-14)
Got to keep up with the bleeding edge, chummer!  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (21:32:49/04-17-14)
Stolen Souls?

Got paydata for us new to the shadows on this, chummer?

Basically, first official sourcebook of SR5.

Details more development of the Sybil Virus plotline, setting details on Manhattan, and crunch wise is supposed to provide stuff for extraction runs.

Oh! Thank you! That will be extremely useful!

Got to keep up with the bleeding edge, chummer!  ;D

Keeping up with bleeding edge caused FastJack to be stuck in a battle against his own mind. And then there's a little gun named Excalibur that was bleeding edge...

I prefer to keep behind bleeding edge :P
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (21:45:33/04-17-14)
Got to keep up with the bleeding edge, chummer!  ;D
Bah, humbug; get off my PAN!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: CanRay on (22:03:46/04-17-14)
Got to keep up with the bleeding edge, chummer!  ;D
Bah, humbug; get off my PAN!
Back in my day, our Matrix was a fraggin' DUNGEON, and the rest of the group had to go out for pizza!

AND I LIKED IT!

:P
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (22:46:28/04-17-14)
Got to keep up with the bleeding edge, chummer!  ;D
Bah, humbug; get off my PAN!
Back in my day, our Matrix was a fraggin' DUNGEON, and the rest of the group had to go out for pizza!

AND I LIKED IT!

:P

And I bet IC was a troll wielding a club :P
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: CanRay on (09:52:38/04-18-14)
And I bet IC was a troll wielding a club :P
Mungo had to get his start somewhere.  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (09:59:47/04-18-14)
Got to keep up with the bleeding edge, chummer!  ;D
Bah, humbug; get off my PAN!
Back in my day, our Matrix was a fraggin' DUNGEON, and the rest of the group had to go out for pizza!

AND I LIKED IT!

:P

And I bet IC was a troll wielding a club :P

ice was gleaming chrome constructs! Black IC was intimidating, black chrome things, like black chrome dragons
or black chrome knights. You knew it was bad-ass just looking at it! And Avatars never looked like who they were,
unless that person was a straight-up newbie to the Matrix. And nothing was scarier then getting a system map,
and finding out the data you were after was in a Red 8 Data Store directly behind the Red 8 CPU...unless it was
seeing that it was a Blue 6 Data Store...(and, oh, yeah, you ALWAYS made sure you had a disposable Attack 1
program to load FIRST, incase that thing had a Tar Pit on it!)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Michael Chandra on (10:02:52/04-18-14)
Now I want an Ultra-Violet Node where the IC is literally trolls wielding clubs.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (16:56:14/04-19-14)
Art preview from Stolen Souls on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/83165986999/shadowrun-stolen-souls-art):

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/03c9d40d9eeade3f78672c5a661c6d1a/tumblr_inline_n49el2VZAi1s9c9hj.jpg)

Seems a little dark (might just be my iPad), but nice. Wonder if this is an indication that the book will be published in color? Sure hope so  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (19:57:04/04-19-14)
...Soooo they have enough on the budget to make all of their releases in full color...but NOT enough to afford hiring more full-time employees?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (20:00:17/04-19-14)
I'm sure several of us here would volunteer to help out if they could use us. *raises hand* Don't be shy, guys :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Noble Drake on (20:38:22/04-19-14)
...Soooo they have enough on the budget to make all of their releases in full color...but NOT enough to afford hiring more full-time employees?
Full-time employees are far more expensive than art commissions and free-lancers - so yeah, they can afford the one but not the other.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: PeterSmith on (21:51:33/04-19-14)
...Soooo they have enough on the budget to make all of their releases in full color...but NOT enough to afford hiring more full-time employees?

Tell me a job that an FTE can perform that a contractor can't.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (22:33:36/04-19-14)
...Soooo they have enough on the budget to make all of their releases in full color...but NOT enough to afford hiring more full-time employees?

Tell me a job that an FTE can perform that a contractor can't.

From both personal experience and what I've seen from numerous companies?

Editing for internal consistency.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Namikaze on (23:09:34/04-19-14)
...Soooo they have enough on the budget to make all of their releases in full color...but NOT enough to afford hiring more full-time employees?

Do you ever make a post that isn't bashing the hell out of Catalyst for something?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (00:23:48/04-20-14)
Full-time employees are far more expensive than art commissions and free-lancers - so yeah, they can afford the one but not the other.


...and that was ALL I needed to know. I only bring this up because other freelancers have said time and time again that it would be too costly to make all the releases full-color...yet now come Fifth, it's apparently not an issue anymore.

Tell me a job that an FTE can perform that a contractor can't.


I was hoping dedicated oversight and communication between the other freelancers. Because I still continue to get the impression when several people are working on the same product, there seems to be very little consistency between those particular parts.

Do you ever make a post that isn't bashing the hell out of Catalyst for something?


I would hope that you're confusing me with someone else. I'm not exactly That Guy that's been dropping insults as CGL every chance I get just cause I can.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Noble Drake on (00:55:17/04-20-14)
I only bring this up because other freelancers have said time and time again that it would be too costly to make all the releases full-color...yet now come Fifth, it's apparently not an issue anymore.
The "too costly" about making the books full color was in regards to what price Catalyst would be asking us customers to pay, at least that is how I always understood the various conversations.

You can actually see exactly what full color does to the cost of a book: Unwired and Run & Gun have similar page counts (R&G has ~8 more pages, which is not significant to pricing), and their respective MSRP are $34.99 and $49.99 - a significant factor in the difference being the cost of color printing vs. black & white printing.

Catalyst seems to be following The Onyx Path, however, and is now providing both a high-quality "standard" version of their books and a "deluxe" version as well - which I hope they keep doing, even though I am not sure that I will be able to manage fitting all the "deluxe" books into my budget.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Namikaze on (01:04:07/04-20-14)
I would hope that you're confusing me with someone else. I'm not exactly That Guy that's been dropping insults as CGL every chance I get just cause I can.

Yes, I think I've confused you with someone else.  My apologies.   :-X
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (02:26:48/04-20-14)
I only bring this up because other freelancers have said time and time again that it would be too costly to make all the releases full-color...yet now come Fifth, it's apparently not an issue anymore.
The "too costly" about making the books full color was in regards to what price Catalyst would be asking us customers to pay, at least that is how I always understood the various conversations.

You can actually see exactly what full color does to the cost of a book: Unwired and Run & Gun have similar page counts (R&G has ~8 more pages, which is not significant to pricing), and their respective MSRP are $34.99 and $49.99 - a significant factor in the difference being the cost of color printing vs. black & white printing.


Well now I'm curious as to what changed that decided to make them go full-blast with making all of their releases colored when they previously didn't want to. And this probably isn't going to help the accusations of CGL being more money-grubbing.

(which BTW, is also what's preventing me from buying R&G: $24.99 for a PDF is too rich for my blood, especially a book that's half as long as the Core book, yet the Core book PDF is $5 cheaper, and with all the editing errors. Oi) 

Yes, I think I've confused you with someone else.  My apologies.   :-X


No worries; apology accepted. :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (02:47:33/04-20-14)
Well now I'm curious as to what changed that decided to make them go full-blast with making all of their releases colored when they previously didn't want to. And this probably isn't going to help the accusations of CGL being more money-grubbing.

(which BTW, is also what's preventing me from buying R&G: $24.99 for a PDF is too rich for my blood, especially a book that's half as long as the Core book, yet the Core book PDF is $5 cheaper, and with all the editing errors. Oi) 

The industry has, as a whole, switched to full color hardbacks for core books. Those are the books that catch people's attention, after all.

As for why the corebook is $5 cheaper then then Run and Gun in PDF? Loss leader. Also, the corebook is going to be purchased
by just about everyone, so it can have its cost spread out more then supplemental books that are only going to be purchased by
GMs and specialists(and shared around the table).
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (15:23:42/04-21-14)
Just FYI, but it's not like we've never released color products.  Look at Street Legends, for instance.  It's kind of a tradition to always toss out a full-color product or two a year, it doesn't mean the budget is there (for gamers) to always pay $10-$15 more per product, to make up for the higher printing costs, etc, etc.

So, yeah.  Some stuff's full color, some stuff's not, and that's nothing super new.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (15:32:18/04-21-14)
So, any thoughts on when and how we might see Stolen Souls? Inquiring minds (heh) wants to know more about Sybil already!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (15:50:54/04-21-14)
Appreciate the feedback Critias, though, at the end of the day, I fall into the category of gamers who is willing to pay the premium all of the time. ;)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (01:49:40/04-22-14)
Sorry, I'm no help on upcoming product release dates.  (a) If I knew I couldn't tell, NDA and all that, (b) they don't tell us much in advance anyways, because THEY don't know much in advance, because they don't want to give estimates and have something go wrong last minute, and (c) I'm a little out of the loop lately, been working on some other stuff, I've got nothin' in these most recent releases, so (a) and (b) don't even matter for once.  ;)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: jim1701 on (02:28:41/04-22-14)
You know he's a writer when he can't say "I don't know" in under 50 words.   :-X :D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (12:31:26/04-22-14)
Sorry, I'm no help on upcoming product release dates.  (a) If I knew I couldn't tell, NDA and all that, (b) they don't tell us much in advance anyways, because THEY don't know much in advance, because they don't want to give estimates and have something go wrong last minute, and (c) I'm a little out of the loop lately, been working on some other stuff, I've got nothin' in these most recent releases, so (a) and (b) don't even matter for once.  ;)

Working on some other stuff... Sounds like we need to arrange an extraction and datasteal to find out what this mysterious other stuff is. Perhaps something related to a cybernetics book?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Crimsondude on (14:04:56/04-22-14)
A lot of it is his day job as Professor Critias.

I'll ask for a rundown at least to put on the tumblr. Various items have been referenced in the back of R&G, Twitter, websites, etc., but I'm at a loss as to how much they want people to know what is coming. I'll be honest, I doubt I'll get much more than titles right now.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (16:21:12/04-22-14)
Appreciate you making the effort...this kind of feedback would be greatly appreciated (by me at least ;D).
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: firebug on (20:20:33/04-22-14)
Bittersweet.  Glad more books are coming shortly, but I almost would rather have no books for six months and then get Data Trails rather than a book a month for a year and then Data Trails after.

>.<  That book was mentioned in the core rules and will just become more needed as stuff is released.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (23:34:12/04-24-14)
Cover for Stolen Souls is up on the blog (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/04/sneak-preview-crafting-the-cover-for-stolen-souls/)

(http://cdn.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CAT27200_Stolen-Souls_Cover.jpg?4713c7)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Namikaze on (23:40:15/04-24-14)
Yum.  I love the art of that guy wielding the axe - it reminds me a lot of Jack Nicholson in The Shining without being too derivative.  The tranq darts all over him suggests that things are WAY out of hand.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (23:48:56/04-24-14)
Dear Catalyst Game Labs,

I am writing to inf... SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Sincerely,
Martin
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (00:32:14/04-25-14)
Hrm...  :-\

Is this cover awesome...

Or very awesome?

Hrm...
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: CanRay on (14:13:50/04-25-14)
The tranq darts all over him suggests that things are WAY out of hand.
Maybe he just has a natural immunity to NarcoJet?  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Namikaze on (14:27:24/04-25-14)
The tranq darts all over him suggests that things are WAY out of hand.
Maybe he just has a natural immunity to NarcoJet?  ;D

Terrifying!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: BetaCAV on (18:33:33/04-29-14)
Now I want an Ultra-Violet Node where the IC is literally trolls wielding clubs.
The Grod Squad?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (13:08:56/05-05-14)
Another art update (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/84835721251/shadowrun-stolen-souls-art) from Stolen Souls:

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/5e9758bbbc4aa473b0c2ec239455f710/tumblr_inline_n5416o3Uig1s9c9hj.jpg)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: OneofSorrow on (21:40:16/05-05-14)
Is the guy in the picture a ork? 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: The Tekwych on (21:55:04/05-05-14)
He certinly looks Orkish
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Zar on (10:46:40/05-06-14)
Why was Run Faster dropped?  Nobody thinks that extra character creation stuff would sell?

I understand that the core book sold out?  If so then why are there not more products being produced for this game?  I feel like there are a lot of gaps in the core rules that can be filled with splat books.

Do we at least know when Run and Gun is coming out in physical copy?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Michael Chandra on (11:02:05/05-06-14)
No information provided yet as far as I know. I imagine that they won't tell, as usual, until they get them back from the Printer.

There are more products being produced. Run Faster is likely just delayed until later in the cycle, they're currently working on Street Grimoire. Seems like they do it slowly, 1 core book at a time.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: PeterSmith on (14:29:34/05-06-14)
Why was Run Faster dropped?

Who said it was dropped?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (14:57:10/05-06-14)
Why was Run Faster dropped?

Who said it was dropped?
Peter
Can we take take that statement to mean that it isn't!? And can you share a morsel or two about where it might be in the development cycle? Give us a straw or something, here :D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: PeterSmith on (17:43:29/05-06-14)
*hands martinchaen a straw*

That's about all I have for you right now. It's one of those biodegradable paper ones I found at the Toronto Zoo, so you had better use it quickly.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (19:51:59/05-06-14)
Hehehe, fair enough. :-)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (21:36:17/05-06-14)
Actually, regarding Run Faster...according to teh Twitters, it's not coming out for awhile. (http://"https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/459717079630094336")

....so yeeeaaaahhh.....no SR5 karmagen/BP and other races/metavariants for you until 2015.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Crimsondude on (21:50:13/05-06-14)
Here's something I wrote up as a temporary fix for shapeshifters when someone asked the same question on tumblr, though it may be a bit too quick and dirty: http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/post/84073731688/when-might-we-see-some-books-carrying-various-sub (http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/post/84073731688/when-might-we-see-some-books-carrying-various-sub). I think it works well enough for all non-metahumans. I think that metavariance is best handled as a special Quality.


As for a list of upcoming products, this is exactly why I suspect Catalyst doesn't like to put those names out. There is enough information out that I'm surprised there isn't some sort of fan-made list by now.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (22:29:34/05-06-14)
Actually, regarding Run Faster[url = "https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/459717079630094336"]...according to teh Twitters, it's not coming out for awhile.[/url]

....so yeeeaaaahhh.....no SR5 karmagen/BP and other races/metavariants for you until 2015.

*hmms* So, since the Companion Book is traditionally the last corebook.. Does this mean that they are going to have the magic, rigger, and matrix books out this year(or, at least this year and early next)?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (23:00:50/05-06-14)
Actually, regarding Run Faster[url = "https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/459717079630094336"]...according to teh Twitters, it's not coming out for awhile.[/url]

....so yeeeaaaahhh.....no SR5 karmagen/BP and other races/metavariants for you until 2015.

*hmms* So, since the Companion Book is traditionally the last corebook.. Does this mean that they are going to have the magic, rigger, and matrix books out this year(or, at least this year and early next)?


Don't forget SR5 Augmentation.

Personally, I think that's a bit of an optimistic estimation. I'd say at least 2 more rulebooks, but 3 if we get lucky.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Crimsondude on (23:06:19/05-06-14)
Actually, regarding Run Faster[url = "https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/459717079630094336"]...according to teh Twitters, it's not coming out for awhile.[/url]

....so yeeeaaaahhh.....no SR5 karmagen/BP and other races/metavariants for you until 2015.

*hmms* So, since the Companion Book is traditionally the last corebook.. Does this mean that they are going to have the magic, rigger, and matrix books out this year(or, at least this year and early next)?
Historically, the Rigger book is the last one, as they're notorious for being published just before the end of an edition. Except SR4(A), which didn't have one, but that was a cheat.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: RHat on (23:24:12/05-06-14)
Actually, regarding Run Faster[url = "https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/459717079630094336"]...according to teh Twitters, it's not coming out for awhile.[/url]

....so yeeeaaaahhh.....no SR5 karmagen/BP and other races/metavariants for you until 2015.

*hmms* So, since the Companion Book is traditionally the last corebook.. Does this mean that they are going to have the magic, rigger, and matrix books out this year(or, at least this year and early next)?
Historically, the Rigger book is the last one, as they're notorious for being published just before the end of an edition. Except SR4(A), which didn't have one, but that was a cheat.

Oh, come on, how can you forget about Rigger 4?  Sure, it was published after the new edition was announced, but it was released, dammit!  :P

Some of the stuff in there was actually pretty cool, too.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: firebug on (23:52:24/05-06-14)
Oh, come on, how can you forget about Rigger 4?  Sure, it was published after the new edition was announced, but it was released, dammit!  :P

Some of the stuff in there was actually pretty cool, too.

Yeah I was a fan of the Lone Star donut shop mecha, and that "totally not a sex droid guys" Nadeshiko drone.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: CanRay on (02:29:11/05-07-14)
What, no love for Bull's Van?  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (06:47:38/05-07-14)
Nah, the cost was too high, CanRay...
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (11:39:55/05-07-14)
Okay, Rigger 4 is up for free on DriveThru, so giving it a quick download and grep.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (12:41:57/05-07-14)
On a slightly different note, CGL's Instagram stream:

(http://photos-g.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-ash/918216_275124322667166_1271586479_n.jpg)

Looks like a new adventure, "Spoiled Rotten", is coming out with the QSR rules in June.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: The Tekwych on (22:43:21/05-07-14)
That looks to be the CGL product for free RPG day on the 21st of June

http://www.freerpgday.com
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Crimsondude on (06:18:54/05-08-14)
I know the Valiant RPG hardcopy is being released that day (The PDF is already available). So that seems reasonable to just have the SR5 QSR and throw in a new adventure to go with it.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (12:59:44/05-12-14)
A couple of snipets from Randall today on FB:

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Two big SR releases coming fast…just solicited for reviews from some 20 sites in my database…we'll see how many bite… rnb

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Flipped through final Stolen Souls PDF…what a gorgeous book. Had no idea so many details on Manhattan are covered! Can't wait to read rnb

Also, from Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/85531540721/shadowrun-print-novel-fire-frost-cover-art), the cover (by Victor Moreno) for Fire & Frost (which has gone to print ;D):

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/b8c230d21d3f71d517ad12d338a1e134/tumblr_inline_n5gx1mNuFz1s9c9hj.jpg)
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Post by: Namikaze on (14:24:17/05-12-14)
Argh!  That art is really good - why do they keep screwing it up with proportions!  That troll's almost as big as the truck, and twice as big as the humans!
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Post by: Crimsondude on (16:37:21/05-12-14)
Could be a Giant. Not saying it is or isn't, but it could be. Or could be a big-ass troll even by troll standards.




As an aside, I've read F&F. You'll enjoy it.
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Post by: SlowDeck on (16:55:33/05-12-14)
Is it just me, or does that troll look remarkably like Hellboy?
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Post by: Namikaze on (19:08:28/05-12-14)
Hmm...  the troll could be, but what about his ammunition?  Each of his bullets is like the size of that girl's forearms.  :P
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Post by: martinchaen on (19:20:10/05-12-14)
Maaaaaybe... they're not humans, but pixies. And the truck is one of those toy trucks?

:D
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Post by: RHat on (20:07:13/05-12-14)
Hmm...  the troll could be, but what about his ammunition?  Each of his bullets is like the size of that girl's forearms.  :P

Assault cannon built for normal sized people?
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Post by: AJCarrington on (20:33:01/05-12-14)
Might be worth checking out the link....a series of images showing the evolution. This is the lad tone:

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/926fe3563a56ee39f197b3547937e9ec/tumblr_inline_n5gx02xRIW1s9c9hj.jpg)

Proportions are better, though the troll is still huge. ;)
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Post by: SlowDeck on (20:47:47/05-12-14)
They also made the vehicle longer.

And I still say the troll looks like Hellboy!
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Post by: Crimsondude on (21:07:38/05-12-14)
I guess.

Hmm...  the troll could be, but what about his ammunition?  Each of his bullets is like the size of that girl's forearms.  :P
20mm AR with an 80mm grenade launcher?


I don't know. I just think it looks cool.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (21:51:22/05-12-14)
I don't know. I just think it looks cool.
Yes, yes it does ;D
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Post by: SlowDeck on (21:53:39/05-12-14)
It does look cool! I'm hoping to see more art of that weapon ^^ Maybe stats :P
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Post by: Namikaze on (23:27:56/05-12-14)
I love the art - I just get irritated when I see rather obvious errors like 20 foot tall trolls and such.  :P
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Post by: Noble Drake on (07:14:54/05-13-14)
I love the art - I just get irritated when I see rather obvious errors like 20 foot tall trolls and such.  :P
Measuring, and assuming that the human-looking fellow in the image is roughly 1.8 meters tall, it turns out that troll is roughly 3 meters tall... that doesn't actually seem all that far off of normal to me.

...though I guess that would make him 10' tall while the average troll is only 8' 2" tall according to the SR5 book.

But then, the book also says the average human is just under 5' 9" and I am 6' 3" - so if trolls experience the same degree of deviation as humans in height, then my equivalent "tallness" would make a troll 8' 10.5", and if we took the equivalent "tallness" of the troll depicted in the art and scaled it to human ranges of height, well, it's only 7' tall - not incredibly uncommon at all.

I actually think the proportions in the art are good - shows how seriously huge trolls have always been, even though the art kept depicting them as barely taller than humans.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (08:53:06/05-13-14)
Thanks Noble Drake...hadn't taken the time to think about the question of scale like that...much appreciated.
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Post by: Namikaze on (11:10:48/05-13-14)
The second picture is definitely a lot better, certainly.  I'll drop the subject for now, because I'm not an artist and I can't elaborate much on what artists use to determine perspective drawing.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (13:38:37/05-13-14)
More book covers from Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/85635044621/graphic-designing-a-book-series):

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6bd9693276263acad829498cbfafa04d/tumblr_inline_n5ityhWI671s9c9hj.jpg)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/2008086acd74e70363f9b6ac3f6c700d/tumblr_inline_n5iu3qD1al1s9c9hj.jpg)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6ad589d006e1c452205456834e7f26c8/tumblr_inline_n5iud4f57q1s9c9hj.jpg)
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Post by: SlowDeck on (13:50:59/05-13-14)
Is Echo Mirage a sourcebook, setting book, or piece of fiction? I need to know which frequency to use for my squeal of joy.
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Post by: Sendaz on (14:11:08/05-13-14)
Nice artwork on the covers.

Especially like the SR symbol on the guys shirt on the middle cover, hope that stays for final publication.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (14:26:22/05-13-14)
Is Echo Mirage a sourcebook, setting book, or piece of fiction? I need to know which frequency to use for my squeal of joy.

Novel
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Post by: martinchaen on (14:30:45/05-13-14)
Aw man, an Echo Mirage novel!? Awesomeness!

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
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Post by: Kincaid on (14:31:23/05-13-14)
Is Echo Mirage a sourcebook, setting book, or piece of fiction? I need to know which frequency to use for my squeal of joy.

Assuming the spine will actually be thicker, those look like mass market paperback ratios.
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Post by: SlowDeck on (14:41:48/05-13-14)
I can't wait for these to come out. I already have shelf spots for them!

Also, I have to agree, the guy with the guns and Shadowrun symbol shirt is good ^^
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Post by: Crimsondude on (14:43:05/05-13-14)
Hrmm.
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Post by: PeterSmith on (14:56:35/05-13-14)
I like the green cover better for Echo Mirage.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (16:14:27/05-13-14)
I kinda like the "full bleed" layout of blue EM cover, but prefer the art of the green...oh well ;)
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Post by: Namikaze on (16:22:04/05-13-14)
I agree AJ.  The art from the blue cover was actually used in SR4 for Arsenal, I think.  The action element of the green cover makes me more inclined to want to open the book and see what's going on inside.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (22:06:51/05-13-14)
Yeah, it's kind of ironic...was never a huge fan of the SR4 cover, but I do like this version... ::) You're bang on with the action element....much more intriguing, from my perspective as well.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (23:15:21/05-13-14)
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RT @catalystgamelab: FYI: Zimmerman's name is on the WIP covers because he has the longest name from the current crop of authors. A little future-proofing. -Matt
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Post by: Critias on (01:02:57/05-14-14)
Hey guys.  Don't get too excited here.  They're not real covers (except for Frost and Fire), or even real products.  They were putting together images, titles, and author names just to show you how the layout/art design process can go, not because I wrote an actual Echo Mirage novel. 

I mean, I kind of want to now, and it has to have a cool motorcycle chase in it (because I'm a fan of the green cover, myself), so that a team of combat deckers are fighting the first great battle in the Matrix while their meat-bodies are being threatened by an implacable elven street samurai (with the Shadowrun logo on his tee shirt)...but I didn't, and it's not planned.  Other stuff is.  Even other stuff with my name on it, with a working cover (that looks awesome).  Just not Echo Mirage

Look closely, and you'll see the back-cover blurb is just the lyrics to Electric Avenue, too.  Which, I mean, it also gave me an idea for a story, but I'd never submit that for a synopsis.  Not by itself, at least.   ;D
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Post by: SlowDeck on (01:07:40/05-14-14)
Well, crap. I was hoping for an Echo Mirage novel.
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Post by: firebug on (01:28:45/05-14-14)
Look closely, and you'll see the back-cover blurb is just the lyrics to Electric Avenue, too.  Which, I mean, it also gave me an idea for a story, but I'd never submit that for a synopsis.  Not by itself, at least.   ;D

HA!  Oh my god, I just noticed that.  That's HILARIOUS.  It is nearly 2 AM and I am giggling like an idiot to myself from that.  Like serious, what the hell.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (07:25:54/05-14-14)
 :-[

Completely missed that...thanks Critias. /sigh/

On the bright side, Frost and Fire is done and off to the printer...hopefully we'll be getting a digital release soon. In a perfect world it would be today or tomorrow, before I head off to Indonesia and Australia for business...lots of air time to kill... :-\
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Post by: martinchaen on (14:58:14/05-14-14)
Boo, I was seriously stoked about an Echo Mirage novel .
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Post by: Tarislar on (15:33:11/05-14-14)
Not that I would hold anyone to a full date or anything.

But is there even a timeframe, like Mid 2014 or Late 2015 or anything for this "Street Grimore" book, if that is the working title ?
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Post by: Namikaze on (16:18:43/05-14-14)
Not that I would hold anyone to a full date or anything.

Doesn't matter if you would - Catalyst won't put out a date until they're 110% sure they can meet it.

But is there even a timeframe, like Mid 2014 or Late 2015 or anything for this "Street Grimore" book, if that is the working title ?

I can tell you this: no art for it means it's not likely to come out in 2014.  From what I've seen thus far, it takes a good 6 months from the release of art for the book before it comes out.  You'll start to see preview PDFs about two months prior to release.
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Post by: Tarislar on (18:59:56/05-14-14)
Doesn't matter if you would - Catalyst won't put out a date until they're 110% sure they can meet it.
I know, but sometimes they give hits on what is in the pipeline at least.
Right now from what is above it there isn't much that is clear it seems.


From what I've seen thus far, it takes a good 6 months from the release of art for the book before it comes out. 
Hmm, I didn't realize that.  Good tidbit to know really.  Thank you :)
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Post by: Mara on (21:01:30/05-14-14)
Doesn't matter if you would - Catalyst won't put out a date until they're 110% sure they can meet it.
I know, but sometimes they give hits on what is in the pipeline at least.
Right now from what is above it there isn't much that is clear it seems.

We have Stolen Souls..and the Intro Boxed set and Runner's Toolkit for 5th coming up..(Splintered States is
already out). After that, there is nothing more. Their blog about splitting the Intro Boxed set, BTW, is wrong,
because none of that was changed in the comprehensive list of stuff that is coming out.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (21:03:17/05-14-14)
The most recent book mentioned by Randall is Stolen Souls, but no announcement as to when it'll be available.

The only official word on Street Grimoire is its name, and that was announced in February.
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Post by: Kincaid on (21:06:00/05-14-14)
Some of these may end up being pdfs in the same vein as Coyotes:

London Falling
Sioux Nation: Shadows in Focus
Aetherology
Lockdown
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Post by: Crimsondude on (23:03:25/05-14-14)
I forgot they teased Shadows in Focus.
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Post by: Bull on (03:15:57/05-15-14)
Stolen Souls:  http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/129826/Shadowrun-Stolen-Souls
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Post by: tasti man LH on (05:14:44/05-15-14)
Well...hi 2 in the morning surprise!

...too bad I currently don't have $25 to spare, due to putting that money towards seeing a certain radioactive lizard.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (05:21:07/05-15-14)
The radioactive lizard's lived 60 years. He can ... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


That is the best reason ever.
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Post by: Dinendae on (05:22:46/05-15-14)
Stolen Souls:  http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/129826/Shadowrun-Stolen-Souls

Sweet! I'll grab that once I get home from work!  ;D
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Post by: SlowDeck on (05:25:27/05-15-14)
I'll see if I have the money for this after I've slept a bit.
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Post by: Kincaid on (07:15:00/05-15-14)
Just had 1 minute to gloss over the crunch in the back before the commute to work.

This looks awesome!
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (07:40:13/05-15-14)
Time to spend a PDF credit. :)
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Post by: AJCarrington on (07:56:48/05-15-14)
Wonderful...just in time for my trip  ;D
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (08:13:45/05-15-14)
Gonna get it soon, but already noticed a mistake in the index. The page124 header should be 1 header smaller.
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Post by: Kincaid on (16:32:57/05-15-14)
I know some may disagree, but I like the healthy dose of fluff/healthy dose of crunch format.  I know finding the right mix to broaden your customer base is tricky, but it's a fun (and scary) read and there's stuff in it that's relevant to my character, even though he has nothing to do with CFD.  And I loved the black trenchcoat/pink mohawk shout out :)

The first 20-odd pages of Bug City will probably always be the scariest thing I'll ever read that's Shadowrun-related, but this is in contention for the runner-up slot.
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (20:22:48/05-15-14)
Check, the things named are first fluff, then mechanics.
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Post by: Starglyte on (21:22:50/05-15-14)
Stolen Souls is interesting. I was wondering when something similar to Ghost Hacking from Ghost in the Shell would show up in Shadowrun.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (07:34:55/05-16-14)
Another piece of art from Stolen Souls on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/85850820041/stolen-souls-art-the-pdf-available):

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f852d6b16f533a170e2664387c480798/tumblr_inline_n5mwee0LYx1s9c9hj.jpg)
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Post by: PeterSmith on (11:22:44/05-16-14)
That is one rigid skirt.
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Post by: Patrick Goodman on (11:37:34/05-16-14)
To be fair, there's a lot of stuff hanging off it....
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (11:39:43/05-16-14)
So that's what the great-great-grandchild of Pippi looks like.
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Post by: Emperors Grace on (16:47:48/05-16-14)
Where exactly is she jumping from/to?

She seems really high up to have no obvious means of landing/slowing descent.

Is the backpack a parachute?

Or is the skirt rigid enough to act as a parachute?  :)
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Post by: SlowDeck on (16:59:55/05-16-14)
Maybe it's an armored skirt?
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Post by: Namikaze on (17:34:09/05-16-14)
Pippi Longstocking meets Mary Poppins.  Pippi Poppins!
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Post by: CanRay on (19:24:33/05-16-14)
"HEY!  Pervs!  Watch those camera angles!"
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Post by: carmachu on (21:08:54/05-16-14)
Stolen Souls:  http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/129826/Shadowrun-Stolen-Souls

Anyone know when or if the dad tree version is going to come out?
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Post by: Crimsondude on (23:53:31/05-16-14)
Given previous release schedules, it'll probably be available in a couple of months. They may have some at Origins. I would definitely expect hard copies at Gen Con.
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Post by: DeathStrobe on (00:10:51/05-17-14)
I'm still reading through Stolen Souls, but man, there is some damn good art in there.

Not to rag on the artists, but there was some very questionable pieces in Run and Gun.

But that human girl on p58 and that troll guy on the bike on p62. Those are really bad ass. And of course the cover is really good too.

So I must commend the artists that have worked on the Stolen Souls art. Because it's pretty top notch. Way better than the art we were getting in 4th ed.

Just one thing, what's up with everyone having a white aura around them? I don't think its necessary if you're trying to make the character's stand out from the background.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (01:23:12/05-17-14)
Digital painting effect?
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Post by: tasti man LH on (02:46:19/05-17-14)
Someone speculated that the way how they do these art pieces is that they have the various elements (characters, props, background, etc.) done separately and that the pieces are overplayed on each other later (hence the scaling differences of some of the characters in the example novel covers). So maybe that outline is there to differentiate all of th non-BG element?
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Post by: Crimsondude on (03:02:27/05-17-14)
A lot of this also depends on the specific artist,
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Post by: Starglyte on (15:42:39/05-17-14)
I like what I see so far in Stolen Souls, but one of the things I don't like is that Genetech looks to be on the way out. Its my favorite type of augmentation and hopefully when the Cyberware/Shadowtech book comes out, we will get it back. Always been a fan of fictional genetic engineering stories and I think that a runaway genetic experiment would make a good runner concept for a PC.
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Post by: Tarislar on (18:57:20/05-17-14)
We have Stolen Souls..and the Intro Boxed set and Runner's Toolkit for 5th coming up..(Splintered States is
already out). After that, there is nothing more. Their blog about splitting the Intro Boxed set, BTW, is wrong,
because none of that was changed in the comprehensive list of stuff that is coming out.

Thank you Star Captain.
So, what is supposed to be in the Intro Boxed Set ?
I mean, while there are some great SR miniatures out there, it isn't quite like BT where the boxed set is map & minis intensive.

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Post by: tasti man LH on (21:38:29/05-17-14)
We have Stolen Souls..and the Intro Boxed set and Runner's Toolkit for 5th coming up..(Splintered States is
already out). After that, there is nothing more. Their blog about splitting the Intro Boxed set, BTW, is wrong,
because none of that was changed in the comprehensive list of stuff that is coming out.

Thank you Star Captain.
So, what is supposed to be in the Intro Boxed Set ?
I mean, while there are some great SR miniatures out there, it isn't quite like BT where the boxed set is map & minis intensive.


For starters, the Intro Box has already been released in digital form as the Digital Tool Box here. (http://"http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/125721/Shadowrun-Digital-Tools-Box?manufacturers_id=2216") This set includes the Intro Box and the Alphaware Runner's Toolkit.

(it should be noted that they have stated that there will be a "Betaware" Runner's Toolkit that will be closer to the SR4 kit since the Alphaware box is, as CGL has admitted, is all the stuff they separated from the box)

Everything in there should be in the physical release of the set. The other physical release being SR dice.
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (05:40:31/05-18-14)
I like what I see so far in Stolen Souls, but one of the things I don't like is that Genetech looks to be on the way out. Its my favorite type of augmentation and hopefully when the Cyberware/Shadowtech book comes out, we will get it back. Always been a fan of fictional genetic engineering stories and I think that a runaway genetic experiment would make a good runner concept for a PC.
Maybe Genetech will be back after the metaplot manages to make adjustments.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (21:33:56/05-19-14)
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spec sheet for Run Faster just came in from Jason…reviewing and providing feedback… rnb

— CatalystGameLab (@catalystgamelab) May 19, 2014
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Post by: SlowDeck on (21:37:25/05-19-14)
Spec sheet?
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Post by: DeathStrobe on (22:56:53/05-19-14)
Spec sheet?

Yeah, what's a spec sheet? Is that like an outline, so you guys know what you want to include in the book?
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Post by: Namikaze on (02:15:24/05-20-14)
Unless these spec sheets are different from the ones I'm familiar with, these are basically layout boards for art, text, and other elements.  It's far from finalized, but it's an important step.  Once you've got your text done, you've got to lay out the text and integrate it with the art and such.  These allow you to know where you have to expand or contract text, change art assets, etc.
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (02:55:51/05-20-14)
I was hoping for this. :) Seemed silly to put all progress on hold, and not put some people on it to develop it in parallel.
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Post by: OneofSorrow on (14:09:43/05-20-14)
So what is the ETA on Street Grimorium and Run Faster?   
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Post by: PeterSmith on (14:23:05/05-20-14)
There are no listed ETAs for those products.
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Post by: OneofSorrow on (14:53:24/05-20-14)
There are no listed ETAs for those products.

Friend and I are salivating over those two books.  Can't wait for them to come out. 
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Post by: Shadowjack on (22:47:50/05-20-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?
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Post by: Critias on (00:20:54/05-21-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

I wouldn't be surprised to see it at GenCon, at least, personally.  Maybe those boxed sets from a few months ago, too.

THIS WAS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.
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Post by: SlowDeck on (00:49:53/05-21-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

I wouldn't be surprised to see it at GenCon, at least, personally.  Maybe those boxed sets from a few months ago, too.

THIS WAS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.

Yay! It's officially announced as being at GenCon!

 :P
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Post by: OneofSorrow on (01:19:18/05-21-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?

Much as I love having the physical copy, it does save room on my shelves having them in digital format, just keep them on my little ipad and reference them at my leasure. 
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Post by: Shadowjack on (08:46:29/05-21-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

I wouldn't be surprised to see it at GenCon, at least, personally.  Maybe those boxed sets from a few months ago, too.

THIS WAS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.

Thank you very much. That is encouraging :)
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Post by: Chance on (19:44:05/05-21-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

I wouldn't be surprised to see it at GenCon, at least, personally.  Maybe those boxed sets from a few months ago, too.

THIS WAS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.

Sounds logical. Now will you be at Gencon this year Critias? I figure I owe you a beer because my group loved Elven Blood best so far. (Hoping you'll give us a sequel perhaps?)
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Post by: Critias on (20:52:54/05-21-14)
Will Run and Gun physical book be available this year?
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

I wouldn't be surprised to see it at GenCon, at least, personally.  Maybe those boxed sets from a few months ago, too.

THIS WAS IN NO WAY AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.

Sounds logical. Now will you be at Gencon this year Critias? I figure I owe you a beer because my group loved Elven Blood best so far. (Hoping you'll give us a sequel perhaps?)
Me?  Yeah, I'm always at GenCon.  I'm not gonna be running anything this year, most likely (my voice just can't take it, versus the background noise), but I'll be around.  I check by the booth a few times, I try to show up to the What's Up With Shadowrun seminar, I float around the gaming area (especially since it's all CGL, so I'm right there next to the BattleTech, and GenCon's my only chance to play my beloved stompy robots all year).  I'm around.  We might try to do a hang-out session again Wednesday night (though with a reservation this year, ideally), or something like that, too.

Mostly, though, it's good to hear y'all had fun with Elven Blood.  :)  It was fun to write, and cool to watch folks play it a few GenCon's ago.  It's always cool to know folks enjoyed some of my work. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Chance on (21:43:34/05-21-14)
I didn't arrive early enough last year for the meet, but I might be able to make it this year. I trust they are reserving a novel slot for the upcoming fiction for you?  You need a longer venue after the success of Neat.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (12:09:08/05-22-14)
I didn't arrive early enough last year for the meet, but I might be able to make it this year. I trust they are reserving a novel slot for the upcoming fiction for you?  You need a longer venue after the success of Neat.
I am...currently working on some longer-than-normal fiction, yes.  ;)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Chance on (18:11:35/05-22-14)
Fantastic
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (18:27:02/05-22-14)
I didn't arrive early enough last year for the meet, but I might be able to make it this year. I trust they are reserving a novel slot for the upcoming fiction for you?  You need a longer venue after the success of Neat.
I am...currently working on some longer-than-normal fiction, yes.  ;)

Nice! I can't wait for it to be released!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (20:53:08/05-22-14)
Don't get too excited, fellas.  It's still a long ways off (I've got some other stuff on front burners in the meantime, not all of it Shadowrun)...so it's a little premature to be discussing here in the upcoming products thread, to be honest.  Patience is a virtue! 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (10:50:02/05-23-14)
It's also a pain in the ass, Crit....
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (22:32:13/05-23-14)
Given that "everything has a price".../ducks/  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (22:39:37/05-23-14)
*has already hired runners to extract Crit so I can get a copy of the book early*

Nope. No price here. None at all...

*whistles guiltily*
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mirikon on (23:02:38/05-23-14)
*notes that hiring runners counts as a price, just a different kind from what you would be paying*
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (22:00:03/05-30-14)
Update on Sprawl Gangers (http://"http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/05/sprawl-gangers-miniatures-update/")

Including news that they're expanding the line to include "RPG Game Aid" miniatures to branch to all of their major product lines.

...

(http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/Ron-Swanson-is-excited.gif)

You have no idea how sick I've been of using D&D minis for my SR games...
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: firebug on (23:02:30/05-30-14)
Update on Sprawl Gangers (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/05/sprawl-gangers-miniatures-update/)
Fixed the link for you.

:[ Stop putting your URL in quotes in the linkies.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (23:41:20/05-30-14)
Update on Sprawl Gangers (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/05/sprawl-gangers-miniatures-update/)
Fixed the link for you.

:[ Stop putting your URL in quotes in the linkies.

Huh?

Aren't the quotes necessary so the link is even a hyperlink?

(goddamn this sites' hyerlinking sucks...)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (00:00:32/05-31-14)
Yeah, we're all psyched to see some progress.  It's been wheels-turning for a long time, with some miniature company issues. 

Nice to see it movin' ahead again!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: DeathStrobe on (00:41:05/05-31-14)
Those early renders look amazing.

I can't imagine the final product will turn out that detailed...but if it does...my mind will be completely blown.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (01:34:43/05-31-14)
Those early renders look amazing.

I can't imagine the final product will turn out that detailed...but if it does...my mind will be completely blown.

Yeah, I was about to say:

While my knowledge regarding tabletop minis is fairly limited (mostly to D&D 3.5-4 minis), I would think that that kind of detail would cost quite a pretty penny.

And the article cites that one of the other problems was balancing out quality VS cost...
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: carmachu on (11:07:14/05-31-14)


While my knowledge regarding tabletop minis is fairly limited (mostly to D&D 3.5-4 minis), I would think that that kind of detail would cost quite a pretty penny.

And the article cites that one of the other problems was balancing out quality VS cost...

Depends on the company and materials. Reaper puts out some very quality minitaures.....at reasonable prices. Games workshop puts out some quality miniatures and their prices are insane. Infinity produces some very nice minis, and their prices are inbetween. Depends.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: The Tekwych on (16:22:25/05-31-14)
There are so many variables even after the sculpt is finalized. Metal or plastic? Spin cast or injection? Type of plastic? On as prune or individual molds?

The big thing is finding a company that will answer these questions for you based on the needs you give them along with the next best two or three options.

Sounds like GB gets this and is working well with CGL to actually move the product foward.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sentient Bean on (00:32:26/06-01-14)
Sprawl Gangers is alive!  yes!   8)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Csjarrat on (03:32:58/06-02-14)
ganger looks cool but that rigger is a fail. the drone's rotors look like a manhole cover! they'd have been better off putting flying drones on their own clear stands like jetbikes/gundrones in 40k
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (16:11:08/06-02-14)
Bullets and Bandages is out. (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/130605/Shadowrun-Bullets--Bandages)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (18:19:59/06-02-14)
Medics this time, huh? Definitely a bit more common on other runner teams versus assassins or coyotes.

REVIEW INCOMING!!!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sendaz on (18:38:15/06-02-14)
Just got it and really liked the intro to Combat Medicine 101 by the Doc Wagon HTR trainer :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (19:21:19/06-02-14)
Well one point of interest from just skimming: this release is dual-statted for SR4 and SR5. Which is interesting as Assassin's Primer and Coyotes were SR5 only, so this one sticks out like a sore thumb because of that...

Consistency dammit!!!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Kincaid on (19:36:03/06-02-14)
Well one point of interest from just skimming: this release is dual-statted for SR4 and SR5. Which is interesting as Assassin's Primer and Coyotes were SR5 only, so this one sticks out like a sore thumb because of that...

Consistency dammit!!!

It was probably in the pipeline around the same time as other dual-statted books like Firing Line.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (19:37:16/06-02-14)
Does this mean Aetherology will also be dual-statted?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sendaz on (19:53:34/06-02-14)
It could be this was written up earlier than the others so they were looking at the transition more at that time or maybe they are doing the dual stats as there is still a strong 4th ed base that has not jumped over onto 5th yet?

It's kind of nice in any case. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Chance on (19:55:33/06-02-14)
Slight issued with the Aged Negative Quality. The suggested ages are based on humans and don't take the other metas into account. Could there even be an aged dwarf or elf at this point?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sendaz on (20:01:39/06-02-14)
Slight issued with the Aged Negative Quality. The suggested ages are based on humans and don't take the other metas into account. Could there even be an aged dwarf or elf at this point?
Started a thread over in Rules discussing the NQ here (http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=16792.msg296890#new)

Edit: As for aged dwarf or elf, maybe a level 1 aged for dwarf, depending on how you adjust it for their lifespan, otherwise they pretty much would have to be a spike baby and the elf definitely would need to be a spike baby to even get close to be aged given their projected lifespan.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Backgammon on (06:58:35/06-03-14)
I can confirm Bullets and Bandages was written a long time ago. It was written for SR4 and updated for SR5.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Taejix on (07:47:37/06-03-14)
I can confirm Bullets and Bandages was written a long time ago. It was written for SR4 and updated for SR5.

It shows. Really badly.

I've been flicking through and seeing some nifty thing that my medic character could use, only to notice that it's SR4 only or refers to Street magic or what have you. Even then, a lot of stuff has clearly not been updated properly. There are references to the Gymnastics skill being used to help avoid bullets in SR5 for instance (no it doesn't, not unless you took that one quality from R&G).
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Novocrane on (10:18:08/06-03-14)
Even then, a lot of stuff has clearly not been updated properly. There are references to the Gymnastics skill being used to help avoid bullets in SR5 for instance (no it doesn't, not unless you took that one quality from R&G).
I'm not saying you're wrong about everything, but you should probably flip to p168 of the core book and read about Dodge.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (10:34:53/06-03-14)
Even then, a lot of stuff has clearly not been updated properly. There are references to the Gymnastics skill being used to help avoid bullets in SR5 for instance (no it doesn't, not unless you took that one quality from R&G).
I'm not saying you're wrong about everything, but you should probably flip to p168 of the core book and read about Dodge.
I, however, am saying you're wrong on this one, Novocrane, and you should probably flip to page 190 and on.

Quote from: SR5 p190
Active Defenses
Sometimes you want to do a little more than duck and weave to avoid incoming attacks. For those times characters have one extra option for ranged attacks and four options for melee attacks, all of which reduce the defender’s Initiative Score.

Full Defense
A character may increase their focus on defense against any form of attack at any point in a Combat Turn, so long as the character is not surprised (see Surprise, p. 192). <znip>

Dodge
Any character, armed or unarmed, looking for a quick, short-term boost to his melee defense can use a Dodge Interrupt Action against an attack at any point in a Combat Turn, so long as the character is not surprised (see Surprise, p. 192). <znip>

Parry
A character armed with a melee weapon and skilled in its use can gain a quick, short-term boost to her melee defense by using a Parry Interrupt Action against an incoming melee attack at any point in a Combat Turn, so long as the character is not surprised (see Surprise, below). <znip>

Block
A character skilled at Unarmed Combat looking for a quick, short-term boost to her defense can use a Block Interrupt Action against an incoming unarmed or melee attack at any point in a Combat Turn, so long as the character is not surprised (see Surprise, below). <znip>
Emphasis mine.

Yes, it's poorly phrased, but that first line is pretty unforgiving; 1 option for ranged, 4 for melee.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sendaz on (10:44:17/06-03-14)

Yes, it's poorly phrased, but that first line is pretty unforgiving; 1 option for ranged, 4 for melee.
Sounds like someone loves the Kung Fu :P

Though to be fair, couldn't a street sammie wired up so tight he can count hummingbird wing flappings potentially use a manhold cover to block bullets with ala Capt America style? 

The rules don't support it but maybe with some tweaking....
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (10:58:01/06-03-14)
You can do whatever you want at your table, Sendaz, I was just quoting what the rules actually say...
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Taejix on (14:21:15/06-03-14)
Oh man, riggers got so shafted in this book.

All the rigging rules in the book refer exclusively to SR4 (Command? Response? What are these strange terms you use?), barring one. The one bit where they remember Riggers still have rules in SR5 is to correctly reference the page that states you take a -2 penalty when applying first aid or medicine via remote control.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Csjarrat on (17:20:39/06-03-14)
Oh man, riggers got so shafted in this book.
thats just continuing the theme mate, riggers def got short end of the stick with this edition.
we've got the prices for a few new toys, a couple extra vehicles, but practically no crunch on how to actually use it.
really really need a rigger splat book. between us and the TM's, we're def hurting the most for flexibility
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Novocrane on (18:17:42/06-03-14)
I, however, am saying you're wrong on this one, Novocrane, and you should probably flip to page 190 and on.
I'd question whether there's been an editing error, but then I'm less inclined to think Dodge is melee only.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: martinchaen on (19:51:02/06-03-14)
I, however, am saying you're wrong on this one, Novocrane, and you should probably flip to page 190 and on.
I'd question whether there's been an editing error, but then I'm less inclined to think Dodge is melee only.
You are, of course, entitled to think whatever you like. Book is pretty unequivocal, however.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Michael Chandra on (04:48:22/06-04-14)
Don't you just love it when there's a debate going on that you can't see?

Anyway, page 188 (Melee Defense has extra options) and 191 (short-term boost to his melee defense) are clear:
Dodge is melee only, not ranged. Page 203 has the sole exception: Ramming can be Dodged against. Which is understandable, it's a melee attack but Block&Parry wouldn't really work against hundreds of kilograms of car coming straight at you. "I block the car." "What. No." "Dude, I block the car." "No." "I block it." "Fine. You block it. You manage to keep it from driving over you, but you get squashed against the wall behind you by the momentum."

I'd like to get this book but I'm not sure if the fluff is worth it when the crunch sounds this bad, even IF it would be Rigger-legal by the time I start Missions again in September and could help when our campaign converts to SR5 in a month. Anyone?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Csjarrat on (04:57:22/06-04-14)
bullets and badages isnt going to help you much as a rigger, there are only two drones in there.
stolen souls is better, you've got some nice toys but you'll need to come up with the rules yourself.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (05:08:15/06-04-14)
Hey guys, I'm not a mod or anything, but please remember this is for speculation and updates on stuff that's not out yet.  There are other threads for rules debates or questions or arguments (or whatever) about stuff once it's hit.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (10:42:54/06-04-14)
Stupid question: do we have any info on the "Shadowrun Options" line, referred to in the main announcement? An extension to that, what are the various "lines" associated with Shadowrun? My last look indicated core rulebooks, core supplements, deep shadows supplements, setting supplements, plot supplements, adventures, campaigns, fiction and e-books.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (15:35:51/06-04-14)
What do you mean by "info" on the Options line?  They tend to be little one-man-band e-books, where one of us got a wild hair and a gleam in his eye, so we asked the bosses if we could have a slice of budget to write up something about X.  They give us enough rope to hang ourselves, maybe toss a little artwork our way (or maybe not), and then slap "optional" on it when it's done, because we're rolling up our sleeves and making something we love cooler (in our head) but more complex (in everyone else's). 

That's...I mean, that's the Options line in a nutshell.

It basically got kicked off with Way of the Adept, where the writer felt he was fixing some balance inequalities, but no one else involved felt the fix was needed, and/or they felt it was adding too much complexity to the otherwise-dirt-simple "make an Adept, buy stuff."  They liked what was written enough to publish it, but were concerned about the balance issues, so called it optional and it went to print. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (17:13:07/06-04-14)
Thanks Critias. For some reason, I don't even recall seeing a reference to the "Options" line...didn't know if it was a new classification of releases. That question has been addressed ;)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Ryo on (17:51:00/06-04-14)
Maybe somebody will do an Option book on the Build/Repair rules I've always wanted. I've had so many players want to be macgyver, or pull a tony stark in a cave with a box of scraps, but the rules just aren't robust enough to allow it and I have to houserule an entire subsystem to accommodate their dreams of being junkyard masterminds. It'd be nice to have a book that actually covers that kind of thing, even if its optional.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (18:21:55/06-04-14)
Ryo, this sounds like an awesome idea!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sendaz on (18:56:56/06-04-14)
Indeed, have a Mage Mechanic that would love something like that.

Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: OneofSorrow on (21:40:22/06-04-14)
Do you think they'll make a way of the Adept for 5th edition? :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Critias on (23:44:21/06-04-14)
Do you think they'll make a way of the Adept for 5th edition? :)
Right now, I know the plan is to not need to.  I wasn't assigned the Magic chapter, or even Adepts in particular, but the guy who was was nice enough to let me pester him and look over his shoulder and make suggestions and stuff, so some stuff I wanted to see was already snuck in (like Adepts getting Mentor Spirit bonuses, combat Improved Ability not costing twice as much as other Improved Ability, and a few other things). 

So, yeah.  I mean, the plan right now -- not that I'm sure this wasn't also the plan in prior editions -- is to just not screw up, so that Adepts don't need a splat book to tweak prices and try to rebalance them. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Dinendae on (23:49:56/06-04-14)
Do you think they'll make a way of the Adept for 5th edition? :)
Right now, I know the plan is to not need to.  I wasn't assigned the Magic chapter, or even Adepts in particular, but the guy who was was nice enough to let me pester him and look over his shoulder and make suggestions and stuff, so some stuff I wanted to see was already snuck in (like Adepts getting Mentor Spirit bonuses, combat Improved Ability not costing twice as much as other Improved Ability, and a few other things). 

So, yeah.  I mean, the plan right now -- not that I'm sure this wasn't also the plan in prior editions -- is to just not screw up, so that Adepts don't need a splat book to tweak prices and try to rebalance them.

Nice, and thanks for your input on those items you mentioned; they've defiantely helped me get some adept concepts working!  :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: OneofSorrow on (23:52:03/06-04-14)
Cool.  Thanks for the feed back. :)
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Fenix on (00:23:43/06-05-14)
So I hate to beat a dead horse, but has anyone heard anything about Data Trails? Definitely the book I'm most looking forward to.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: firebug on (04:13:30/06-05-14)
So I hate to beat a dead horse, but has anyone heard anything about Data Trails? Definitely the book I'm most looking forward to.

Despite being mentioned in the core book, I don't think anything has been said about it anywhere.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (04:15:17/06-05-14)
If anything, we've been hearing mostly about Street Grimoire and Run Faster, the latter of which isn't going to be released until next year.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mirikon on (09:42:19/06-05-14)
At this rate, it'll probably be released sometime in 2017.  :(
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: OneofSorrow on (11:02:42/06-05-14)
At this rate, it'll probably be released sometime in 2017.  :(
Gosh I hope note.  But I'm sure they'll have the PDF out before they have the physical copy. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (11:07:05/06-05-14)
At this rate, it'll probably be released sometime in 2017.  :(
Gosh I hope note.  But I'm sure they'll have the PDF out before they have the physical copy.

At this rate, the PDF will be in 2017, 6th Edition in 2018, and the physical copy of Data Trails in 2019  :P
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Michael Chandra on (11:08:50/06-05-14)
That's plain silly. 6th would more likely be 2020~2024. Which means Rigger V will hit 2019.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Fenix on (11:57:29/06-05-14)
That's unfortunate :/ I'm running a game now for my group and when I'm done I'll be passing the torch to another GM and reprising my technomancer from 4th ed. Really hope it's out by then. I think I'm just butthurt that Street Grimoire will be out first when the magic chapter is probably the longest in the core book already lol.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: OneofSorrow on (12:50:38/06-05-14)
That's plain silly. 6th would more likely be 2020~2024. Which means Rigger V will hit 2019.
The riggers seriously need some love.  Stolen Souls gave us a taste of some good vehicle modifications but we need more. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (13:47:51/06-05-14)
Art from the forthcoming Street Grimoire on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/87896831791/shadowrun-street-grimoire-art):

(http://media.tumblr.com/031b5bf9360bb0b3f202857b86d033ee/tumblr_inline_n6pay11eLo1s9c9hj.jpg)

Really like this piece. ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Michael Chandra on (13:50:06/06-05-14)
Doggies!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: OneofSorrow on (13:51:12/06-05-14)
Doggies!
Looks more like panthers. 
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Michael Chandra on (13:54:54/06-05-14)
Kitties!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (14:30:46/06-05-14)
I like!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Sendaz on (15:51:19/06-05-14)
Where is the industrial sized bag of catnip when you really need it?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (16:32:53/06-05-14)
Art from the forthcoming Street Grimoire on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/87896831791/shadowrun-street-grimoire-art):


Really like this piece. ;D

...I rest my case.

And if they way how they've been handling the art releases on Tumblr is any indication, expect the release of Street Grimoire to be sooner rather then later.

Also: props to CGL for managing to find a consistent release schedule.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (17:31:24/06-05-14)
Art from the forthcoming Street Grimoire on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/87896831791/shadowrun-street-grimoire-art):


Really like this piece. ;D

...I rest my case.

And if they way how they've been handling the art releases on Tumblr is any indication, expect the release of Street Grimoire to be sooner rather then later.

Also: props to CGL for managing to find a consistent release schedule.

I find this amusing. You seem to think this 'Street Grimoire' is coming. It is not an upcoming product, though. Look here
http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/products/upcoming-products/

It is so far out that it is not even listed there.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: SlowDeck on (17:33:18/06-05-14)
The Upcoming Products page is obviously out of date, given that most of the products listed on it have already been released.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: PeterSmith on (17:39:02/06-05-14)
I find this amusing. You seem to think this 'Street Grimoire' is coming. It is not an upcoming product, though.

It's listed in the JackPoint login page in Stolen Souls, which makes it a good indication that the book is coming sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (17:53:12/06-05-14)

I find this amusing. You seem to think this 'Street Grimoire' is coming. It is not an upcoming product, though. Look here
http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/products/upcoming-products/

It is so far out that it is not even listed there.

The Upcoming Products page is obviously out of date, given that most of the products listed on it have already been released.


Exactly. The Upcoming Releases page is completely unreliable for charting what is getting released due to not getting regularly updated. Which as I recall, their SR4 site was unreliable in this regard as well (I don't think an entry for Dirty Tricks or Stormfront was EVER put on that section of the site). Need I recall that Boardroom Backstabs 3 was put on the Upcoming Releases page, and that one STILL isn't out?

While going by CGL's social media and the occasional blog post (which nowadays is mostly for their non-TRPG SR products) is hardly ideal, it's a better indicator of what is-isn't coming out.

Unless if you're saying that all those posts regarding R&G and Stolen Souls was completely coincidental and had no bearing at all on the timing of their releases.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Crimsondude on (22:45:25/06-05-14)
Doggies!
Looks more like panthers. 
Samael?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Dinendae on (00:03:10/06-06-14)

Really like this piece. ;D

Heh, looks like that drone said "That's it, I'm out of here! Good luck guys!"  ;D
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Ryo on (01:23:52/06-06-14)
Ryo, this sounds like an awesome idea!
Indeed, have a Mage Mechanic that would love something like that.

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks so! Maybe if enough people request advanced Build/Repair, Catalyst will take notice and decide its worth the effort to make? Hell, I'd be willing to write it myself for free.
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Post by: Sendaz on (04:33:55/06-06-14)

Really like this piece. ;D

Heh, looks like that drone said "That's it, I'm out of here! Good luck guys!"  ;D
Smart Drone :D

Could you imagine that happening in a regular rmission, rigger sics the drones into an obvious suicide run to cover their escape, drones take one look and fly off, leaving the rigger just standing there with his mouth open. :P
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Post by: Michael Chandra on (05:28:19/06-06-14)
Exactly. The Upcoming Releases page is completely unreliable for charting what is getting released due to not getting regularly updated.
Which Mara knows, but since Mara has an axe to grind against the unreliable website updates, we got that post.

Since it's unreliable, we depend on the facebook, tumblr and twitter to figure things out. That's how we know they're still working on Run Faster even though Street Grimoire is currently in active development.
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Post by: Dinendae on (03:31:44/06-07-14)

Really like this piece. ;D

Heh, looks like that drone said "That's it, I'm out of here! Good luck guys!"  ;D
Smart Drone :D

Could you imagine that happening in a regular rmission, rigger sics the drones into an obvious suicide run to cover their escape, drones take one look and fly off, leaving the rigger just standing there with his mouth open. :P

Time to get your friendly Decker/Technomancer to get that A.I. out of your drone!
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Post by: Tarislar on (23:14:20/06-08-14)
  Samael? 

Hah !    I understood that one !   You made a funny  ;)


Cool pick,  looks kind of Aztlan-ish to me.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (12:59:34/06-12-14)
Via the SR Tumblr (http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/) page, review of Frost & Fire posted (http://www.allusgeeks.com/2014/06/shadowrun-fire-and-frost-novel-review/).
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Post by: Sendaz on (19:48:50/06-12-14)
Looking forward to the novel.

Finally got around to reading Another Stormy Night and it was highly enjoyable, which has whetted the appetite for more SR reading again so the novel can not come soon enough....
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Post by: AJCarrington on (07:25:18/06-13-14)
Should have my copy in about 2 weeks when I see my "shopping ninja" at a meeting...just in time for summer vacation ;D Likely the first print novel I'll have read in quite some time (pretty much converted to 100% digital these data).
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Post by: Sendaz on (08:25:23/06-13-14)
Should have my copy in about 2 weeks when I see my "shopping ninja" at a meeting...just in time for summer vacation ;D Likely the first print novel I'll have read in quite some time (pretty much converted to 100% digital these data).
Now all you need is to have some pics taken of two competing shopping ninjas doing mock combat poses over the last book on the table. :P
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Post by: AJCarrington on (10:20:06/06-13-14)
Almost had that last year...due to availability issues, my ninja had to enlist the help of his friends to get everything secured. ;D
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Post by: Patrick Goodman on (10:33:17/06-13-14)
Finally got around to reading Another Stormy Night and it was highly enjoyable, which has whetted the appetite for more SR reading again so the novel can not come soon enough....
There's always the sequel to Another Rainy Night, called Sail Away, Sweet Sister....
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Post by: Backgammon on (14:24:50/06-13-14)
Finally got around to reading Another Stormy Night and it was highly enjoyable, which has whetted the appetite for more SR reading again so the novel can not come soon enough....
There's always the sequel to Another Rainy Night, called Sail Away, Sweet Sister....

Or Vladivostok Gauntlet (http://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-Vladivostok-Gauntlet-Olivier-Gagnon-ebook/dp/B00F8UF1LU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402683809&sr=8-1&keywords=vladivostok+gauntlet). There is also the imminent arrival for Nothing Personal, a new story.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (14:59:50/06-13-14)
There is also the imminent arrival for Nothing Personal, a new story.
Something new...nice  :D
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Post by: Tarislar on (16:33:04/06-13-14)
To the timeline experts....  How long does it usually take to go from Art previews to PDF Previews to PDF Release ?    (looking again at Street Grimore above)
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Post by: PeterSmith on (17:18:17/06-13-14)
To the timeline experts....  How long does it usually take to go from Art previews to PDF Previews to PDF Release ?

It's variable, too many moving parts are still involved. If an artist manages to nail down a piece of art quickly it could mean there's a big gap in time. If it's their last piece they're contributing, and they saved their best for last, it could be a short gap.
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Post by: Agonar on (21:41:00/06-13-14)
To the timeline experts....  How long does it usually take to go from Art previews to PDF Previews to PDF Release ?    (looking again at Street Grimore above)

Can always go to the main page blog, and go back to see when the Run & Gun art previews appeared, and then when the pdf was available, etc..  I mean, it's one book, so it might not be wholly accurate, but might give you a rough idea.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (10:53:30/06-16-14)
From the lands of FB (https://www.facebook.com/CriticalGlitch/posts/739127979459874), Frost & Fire up for pre-order at Barnes & Nobles (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/shadowrun-kai-oconnal/1119642322?ean=9781936876792)
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Post by: martinchaen on (11:34:28/06-16-14)
Boo, nothing on Amazon or DriveThru yet. Eagerly anticipating this one...
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Post by: Mirikon on (11:45:50/06-16-14)
Amazon can only charitably be called 'unreliable at best'. DriveThru will have it out when it is out, not on preorder.
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Post by: The Tekwych on (12:02:41/06-16-14)
I'll give Drive Through my money as soon as they'll take it. I try not to use Amazon for anything except Kickstarter.
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Post by: martinchaen on (12:08:00/06-16-14)
Fingers crossed for Kindle release is all I'm saying...
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Post by: AJCarrington on (12:18:14/06-16-14)
I would be completely shocked (in a bad way) if this is not released digitally as well. That being said, anxiously awaiting said release...vacation coming up ;D
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Post by: AJCarrington on (15:26:26/06-18-14)
Street dates for Run & Gun (July 16, 2014) and Stolen Souls (July 30, 2014), per CGL website (http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2014/06/18/july-street-dates/).
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Post by: tasti man LH on (15:36:03/06-18-14)
...and the Intro Boxed Set is nowhere in site.

Oi.
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Post by: Kincaid on (15:56:29/06-18-14)
...and the Intro Boxed Set is nowhere in site.

Oi.

What's in the boxed set that is an independent rule or item?
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Post by: tasti man LH on (16:55:16/06-18-14)
...and the Intro Boxed Set is nowhere in site.

Oi.

What's in the boxed set that is an independent rule or item?


...eh? What do you mean?
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Post by: PeterSmith on (17:10:22/06-18-14)
What's in the boxed set that is an independent rule or item?


...eh? What do you mean?

What do you need from the boxed set that isn't available elsewhere?
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Post by: Sendaz on (17:13:27/06-18-14)
Some say it's a Schrödinger Box, containing the completely errata'd and better defined copy of 5th Edition complete with glossary in a sealed box along with a tiny radioactive source and a monitor to detect it's radioactive decay which is in turn linked to a flask of concentrated acid which will be released onto the book should it detect any atomic decay.


This tome exists in a quantum state until the lucky buyer opens it to reveal whether they got the true SR5 Tome intact or just a pile of dissolving bits.

Do you dare to open the box? :P
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Post by: tasti man LH on (17:46:27/06-18-14)
What's in the boxed set that is an independent rule or item?


...eh? What do you mean?

What do you need from the boxed set that isn't available elsewhere?


Ooooooh.

For starters, just using it for it's intended purpose of teaching new players.

I love Shadowrun and its' setting, and I'd like to be able to be able to show the game off to as many of my friends and possible to get into the game. And I want to take all the tools I need to do so. Moreso since for whatever reason, Shadowrun doesn't really have much of a presence in the tabletop gaming scene here in Los Angeles.

(come to think of it: tabletop gaming doesn't have much of a presence at all here in Southern California when it comes to official events and cons. There's the token D&D and Pathfinder stuff at SDCC, but that's about it)

Well, the condensed rulebook would be nice to have to strip the rules down to their bare basics, but at a more advanced level then just the QSR. Having a series of adventures that are meant to be very basic kind of runs that ease new players into what Shadowrun is typically like. We even have the added bonus of individual missions for a single character to teach them the basics of how to play their archetypes. Also, spell and gear cards, official SR dice, and maps are also nice.

Now, I'll concede that the state that the Box Set was released in Digital form is far from perfect. As it was, there were some areas where you needed the core SR5 book to clarify on some things due to critical sections being missing. It's not completely broken and useless, but it could be way, WAY better.

As for the "Why can't you make this stuff yourself?" Thing is, is that the whole point of these kind of aids is to cut down on the amount of work that the GM has to make. I have very little time as is to properly chart every relevant table is in the core book, or making a my own gear cards. To have something already prepared for me before hand, and to give me one less thing to worry about when preparing for a session, I have a hard time seeing how that could ever be a bad thing.

(unless if the game aids don't work as intended, which is a different matter entirely)
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Post by: AJCarrington on (12:15:58/06-27-14)
From the CGL Tumble page: Street Grimoire Off to Print! Here’s Some Art! (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/90066717216/street-grimoire-off-to-print-heres-some-art)

(http://media.tumblr.com/7065a3f0a98716d7f5dc838972f29782/tumblr_inline_n7u3dyat1M1s9c9hj.jpg)

Hopefully we'll see the pre-orders and PDF up for sale soon! ;D
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Post by: martinchaen on (12:43:02/06-27-14)
Street Grimoire got priority over Matrix and Rigger books? Ugh...

Not that I don't appreciate new content, but magic was the area that needed the least attention under core rules... Fingers crossed, I guess.
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Post by: Mirikon on (15:37:27/06-27-14)
While I don't disagree that there are things that are desperately in need of scrapping and wholesale rewriting with the Matrix, and we need vehicle modification rules bad, the magic book is good to have, especially for increasing the number of traditions, metamagics, new spells (hopefully with a guide to making custom spells like there was in Street Magic), and so on.
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Post by: Bull on (17:14:24/06-27-14)
Street Grimoire got priority over Matrix and Rigger books? Ugh...

Not that I don't appreciate new content, but magic was the area that needed the least attention under core rules... Fingers crossed, I guess.

Unfortunately, it's not always an issue of "what needs the most attention" but "what has the most demand from players".   
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Post by: Namikaze on (17:28:07/06-27-14)
I get the impression that there are some writings that haven't seen the light of day yet.  I think they'd make for some excellent PDF-only fodder.  Even if things aren't 100% perfect, I'd still love to get that insight in future books.  Still, I am extremely pleased to see so much new material on the horizon.  :)
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Post by: AJCarrington on (20:22:37/06-27-14)
Jason dropped a hint on FB that the PDF release should be next week, baring anything unforeseen.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (22:17:53/06-27-14)
Oooooh.
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Post by: Namikaze on (22:55:18/06-27-14)
The PDF release for Street Grimoire could be as early as next week?  That seems extremely hopeful.  But damn my optimistic nature - now I want it even more.

(http://media3.giphy.com/media/e3C4pNKkr9rji/giphy.gif)
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Post by: PeterSmith on (07:40:21/06-28-14)
Jason dropped a hint on FB that the PDF release should be next week, baring anything unforeseen.

Like the guy on the cover scaring children.

Seriously, he is one. Ugly. Mofo.
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Post by: Crimsondude on (09:05:38/06-28-14)
Yeah, but holy cow. Some of the art is amazing.
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Post by: PeterSmith on (09:58:46/06-28-14)
I can imagine. I'm a bit behind on my reading, I'm still finishing up Stolen Souls. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to start on Street Grimoire.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (10:53:40/06-28-14)
@PeterSmith and Crimsondude - top prizes for insider teasing ::)
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Post by: PeterSmith on (11:17:59/06-28-14)
@PeterSmith and Crimsondude - top prizes for insider teasing

:D

You mean things like: "I like the rabbits bit on page 27."?
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Post by: Bull on (18:51:03/06-28-14)
The rabbits were amusing.

Me, I'm a fan of the new bug stats. :)
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Post by: Mirikon on (18:58:43/06-28-14)
Well, it has been a while since Bug City, so I guess it is about time for a sequel...
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Post by: Bull on (19:17:55/06-28-14)
Well, it has been a while since Bug City, so I guess it is about time for a sequel...

Well, Missions is currently in Chicago...

muhuhahahahaha...

Though funny enough, thus far?  No bugs. :)
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Post by: Timothy M. Patrick on (20:46:28/06-28-14)
Well, it has been a while since Bug City, so I guess it is about time for a sequel...

Well, Missions is currently in Chicago...

muhuhahahahaha...

Though funny enough, thus far?  No bugs. :)

Now now don't go scaring the young lings after all Uncle Ares has told us it's perfectly safe. We can trust Uncle Ares he never lies to us and always delivers top notch products.
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Post by: Bull on (00:10:27/06-29-14)
I think the anticipation of the bugs is more fun than actually dropping in a bug plot, to be honest.  :)
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Post by: Kincaid on (09:56:20/06-29-14)
I think the anticipation of the bugs is more fun than actually dropping in a bug plot, to be honest.  :)

This explains the number of dark basements I've had to trek into this season  :P
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Post by: Sendaz on (16:09:48/06-29-14)
I think the anticipation of the bugs is more fun than actually dropping in a bug plot, to be honest.  :)

This explains the number of dark basements I've had to trek into this season  :P
  Maybe they are still there,  but just got smaller (http://www.dailyfailcenter.com/sites/default/files/styles/fail/public/fail/a1cc358daf48a41117d80bcbe1cee010.jpg)

Flesh Form Virus? :P

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Post by: Mirikon on (01:47:53/06-30-14)
I still say I want to know what happens when you inject a Flesh Form with CFD nanites.
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Post by: Ryo on (01:50:32/06-30-14)
I still say I want to know what happens when you inject a Flesh Form with CFD nanites.

Wasn't there a chunk of Stolen Souls that explained how CFD and possession spirits don't play nice together? I imagine CFD wouldn't do anything to a Flesh Form, same way vampires and ghouls appear to be immune to it.
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Post by: Bull on (02:46:45/06-30-14)
For possession/merge type spirits, like Bugs, I imagine that they don't do much.  Keep in mind that the spirit takes over completely, but if it's a good merge it can access the hosts memories.  So at worst, it just means if CFD messes with the memories of the host, the bug can access those memories.  Not that it will make much difference one way or another to the bug.

Hrmm...  Maybe Bugs and Vampires and Ghouls will be the savior of humanity from CFD?

Hehe...  Hehehehe...  I like that.

Bull
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Post by: Booze on (03:08:39/06-30-14)
For possession/merge type spirits, like Bugs, I imagine that they don't do much.  Keep in mind that the spirit takes over completely, but if it's a good merge it can access the hosts memories.  So at worst, it just means if CFD messes with the memories of the host, the bug can access those memories.  Not that it will make much difference one way or another to the bug.

Hrmm...  Maybe Bugs and Vampires and Ghouls will be the savior of humanity from CFD?

Hehe...  Hehehehe...  I like that.

Bull

It's not a Bug it;s a feature!
 
XD couldn't resist myself!
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Post by: AJCarrington on (19:40:48/06-30-14)
PDF is live (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/131832/Shadowrun-Street-Grimoire) over on DTRPG
 ;D
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Post by: tasti man LH on (20:21:28/06-30-14)
Huh, no previews this time...curious.

Well, we'll see...depends upon other peoples' impressions, since $25 is a bit hefty. And I got a con to go to this weekend...and I've got the lovely D&D starter box coming out in a few weeks.
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Post by: Ryo on (20:29:23/06-30-14)
Purchased!
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Post by: Sendaz on (20:50:32/06-30-14)
got mine....it's ... interesting.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Mara on (05:01:33/07-02-14)
OK..so what's next? Cyberware book? Rigger Book? Matrix Book? 'Run Faster'?
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (05:47:41/07-02-14)
That's a really good question Mara...my guess is that Running Faster and Lockdown are in queue, but that's pure speculation.
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Post by: Patrick Goodman on (09:51:40/07-02-14)
Well, I know which one I'm working on, but I'm not sure if I can tell you yet.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Namikaze on (10:30:55/07-02-14)
Which book is Lockdown?  Sounds like a book on the legal systems of Shadowrun (which I've been really hoping would be worked on).
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Post by: DeathStrobe on (10:35:27/07-02-14)
Which book is Lockdown?  Sounds like a book on the legal systems of Shadowrun (which I've been really hoping would be worked on).

Nope, Boston Sourcebook. All about CFD and the craziness going on inside there.
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Post by: Namikaze on (10:37:20/07-02-14)
Ahhh, sweet!  Looking forward to seeing what Patrick puts in Lockdown.  :)

If Patrick refutes this, then he's working on Run Faster.  If he doesn't refute this, then he's working on Lockdown.
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Post by: AJCarrington on (13:33:58/07-02-14)
Tease!!!

Of course, we now have formal confirmation that one of them is being worked on :D
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Post by: Patrick Goodman on (13:50:55/07-02-14)
Ahhh, sweet!  Looking forward to seeing what Patrick puts in Lockdown.  :)

If Patrick refutes this, then he's working on Run Faster.  If he doesn't refute this, then he's working on Lockdown.
Jesus, can you make that any smaller...? :)

I can confirm a lack of involvement in Lockdown, but as for the rest...? There's also the cyber, matrix, and rigger books that I could be writing for. Not quite as easy to pin me down as you thought. :)
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Post by: martinchaen on (13:54:38/07-02-14)
Aha! So it's either the run faster, cyber, matrix, and/or rigger book he's working on! SUCCE... wait, what did we really learn here? He's not working on Lockdown... bah.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Quileurbist on (14:52:51/07-02-14)
Has anybody heard things about more mentor spirits, while there are very few in Street Grimoire compared to all the ones that were included in Street Magic?
My players are threatening me to get their 5th ed. mentor bonuses! :P
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Namikaze on (15:06:20/07-02-14)
Jesus, can you make that any smaller...? :)

I can confirm a lack of involvement in Lockdown, but as for the rest...? There's also the cyber, matrix, and rigger books that I could be writing for. Not quite as easy to pin me down as you thought. :)

Damn it!  Outsmarted again!
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:35:28/07-02-14)
Has anybody heard things about more mentor spirits, while there are very few in Street Grimoire compared to all the ones that were included in Street Magic?
My players are threatening me to get their 5th ed. mentor bonuses! :P
There's one in the game info for Sail Away, Sweet Sister. And that's available for free right here (http://cdn.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/E-CAT26S041_Sail-Away-Sweet-Sister-Stats.pdf?4713c7) (though you should go buy the whole story off Drive-Thru (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/128889/Shadowrun-Sail-Away-Sweet-Sister-Enhanced-Fiction?affiliate_id=235872) so you can read it as well as the stats.)
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Post by: Tarislar on (16:16:07/07-02-14)
Thank you for that link.

I admit to being a little annoyed at the lack of Healing bonus Mentors,  only Bear listed & the blasphemy of removing Healing from Snake.

Great Mother is a nice addition.

Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: Quileurbist on (16:22:37/07-02-14)
Thanks for the info! (By the way, I already had this great short story.)
But my players want Phoenix!
I will probably houserule it.
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: tasti man LH on (16:39:49/07-02-14)
In terms of rulebooks, yeah going by social media it seems like Run Faster is next...and considering what's already been said on how that guy isn't expected for release until 2015, it seems like we're done with the rulebooks for 2014.

(seriously, we don't even have a proper title yet for "Rigger 5" and "Augmentation 5th")
Title: Re: Updates on upcoming products?
Post by: AJCarrington on (08:19:27/07-08-14)
Received my notice from Amazon that Stolen Souls has shipped...should have it by Wednesday. ;)