Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bull on <11-10-13/1521:46>
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Amazon makes stuff up. They latch onto any information about game products, estimate a release date based on zero information, and post it.
Seriously. Stop using Amazon as a guide to what is being released and, more importantly, when it's being released. Consider it a rumor site akin to Ain't It Cool News or Bleeding Cool or even Reddit when it comes to CGL products and release information.
I'm entirely sick of this topic. Can we move on now?
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And I'm sick of you talking smack about what is otherwise a decent site for making online purchases. You don't like it? Fine. But quit trying to force your view down other people's throats.
You are in a position of authority for Catalyst, and your constant belittling of Amazon makes the company look bad.
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perhaps if catalyst were more open with release dates then people like amazon wouldn't have to resort to guessing?
just saying.....
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perhaps if catalyst were more open with release dates then people like amazon wouldn't have to resort to guessing?
just saying.....
Thought about pointing that out, but I couldn't think of a way to put it 'nicely' with how irritated I was...
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And I'm sick of you talking smack about what is otherwise a decent site for making online purchases. You don't like it? Fine. But quit trying to force your view down other people's throats.
You are in a position of authority for Catalyst, and your constant belittling of Amazon makes the company look bad.
Oh for the love of... If they're making shit up with regard to release dates, that is bad thing for them to be doing. People need to be aware if the information from a normally reputable source is not valid, and if a normally reputable source is deliberately providing misinformation they deserve whatever anyone says about them.
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And I'm sick of you talking smack about what is otherwise a decent site for making online purchases. You don't like it? Fine. But quit trying to force your view down other people's throats.
You are in a position of authority for Catalyst, and your constant belittling of Amazon makes the company look bad.
Oh for the love of... If they're making shit up with regard to release dates, that is bad thing for them to be doing. People need to be aware if the information from a normally reputable source is not valid, and if a normally reputable source is deliberately providing misinformation they deserve whatever anyone says about them.
Have you considered that maybe the way their system is set up requires the input of some date and that the reticence of Catalyst to actually provide an accurate date is the problem?
I mean, come on, there doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the other release dates that Amazon puts in, just the Catalyst ones. That, to me, is rather telling as to where the issue lies.
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The obvious solution should be that the product does not appear on Amazon until after a release date is made available by Catalyst. So the real question is, on who's authority are these entries being added to Amazon? If Catalyst is requesting their stuff be posted, but not providing a release date, then yes, it's Catalyst's fault. If Amazon is acting on its own to post products that it doesn't have a release date for, despite their system requiring one, the problem lies with them.
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Clarification of a couple things.
1) Not smack talking Amazon, not in this post. Simply pointing out a fact.
2) Catalyst doesn't deal directly with Amazon. At all. We don't provide them with any information, we don't sign off on anything. We do send out sell sheets to distributors and retailors that we do deal with, but those sell sheets never include release dates.
3) CGL has been clear about how it handles release dates. It's not ideal, but no release date is better than a half dozen missed release dates. If we had set release dates, SR5 was originally on the schedule for March. The Intro Box Set was scheduled to come out within a couple weeks. We'd have 6 SR5 books on shelves by now. But simply put, we often set unrealistic release goals to push ourselves, and inevitably complications arise that push things back. SR5 was still rushed to be available by Origins and Gen Con, and look how that turned out. So we're not rushing the other products. They'll be out when they are out. We update you with information as often as we can.
Bull
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Sounds like it's on Amazon, then.
But wait, 6 books? Really? Are we talking all books, or core books only? Because I've only heard of three mentioned at all so far. (The core book, Run Faster and Run and Gun.)
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The obvious solution should be that the product does not appear on Amazon until after a release date is made available by Catalyst. So the real question is, on who's authority are these entries being added to Amazon? If Catalyst is requesting their stuff be posted, but not providing a release date, then yes, it's Catalyst's fault. If Amazon is acting on its own to post products that it doesn't have a release date for, despite their system requiring one, the problem lies with them.
I expect catalyst has to provide a catalog to their distributors to get them to buy anything.
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Sounds like it's on Amazon, then.
But wait, 6 books? Really? Are we talking all books, or core books only? Because I've only heard of three mentioned at all so far. (The core book, Run Faster and Run and Gun.)
Published, Print products. Core, adventure, supplements, etc.
What, you think that's all the further we plan ahead? Honestly, there is an outline with 18 potential products for SR5 floating around, and that was from a year ago. But we don't even talk about a book until it's firmly slotted.
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Sounds like it's on Amazon, then.
But wait, 6 books? Really? Are we talking all books, or core books only? Because I've only heard of three mentioned at all so far. (The core book, Run Faster and Run and Gun.)
Published, Print products. Core, adventure, supplements, etc.
What, you think that's all the further we plan ahead? Honestly, there is an outline with 18 potential products for SR5 floating around, and that was from a year ago. But we don't even talk about a book until it's firmly slotted.
I know you guys are obviously planning products, but if you had actually planned to have 6 of them published by now, I figured titles would have at least been dropped by now.
But if we're counting everything, that makes sense.
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Don't forget that Data Trails was namedropped in the core book.
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Sounds like it's on Amazon, then.
But wait, 6 books? Really? Are we talking all books, or core books only? Because I've only heard of three mentioned at all so far. (The core book, Run Faster and Run and Gun.)
Published, Print products. Core, adventure, supplements, etc.
What, you think that's all the further we plan ahead? Honestly, there is an outline with 18 potential products for SR5 floating around, and that was from a year ago. But we don't even talk about a book until it's firmly slotted.
I know you guys are obviously planning products, but if you had actually planned to have 6 of them published by now, I figured titles would have at least been dropped by now.
But if we're counting everything, that makes sense.
Well..
"Combat Book", "Magic Book", "Matrix Book", "Rigger Book", "Augmentation Book", "SR5 Companion", "Intro Boxed Set"
There's 6 core products right there. Not all of them have a name, or it's not the final name. :)
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I mean, come on, there doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the other release dates that Amazon puts in, just the Catalyst ones. That, to me, is rather telling as to where the issue lies.
It's not just Catalyst products. All sorts of dates change, all the time on amazon. Book releases, music, you name it. And yes, that includes products for other gaming companies. Amazon often puts in availability dates that, when you ask the original manufacturer, they you they never gave any information to them.
But to make it clear: Amazon is not a reliable source for exact release dates for new gaming products. (Heck, other distributors put in crazy availability dates as well). The way to find out is check with the maker of that product. The further you get away from that source, the less likely the information you get is accurate.
I'm amazed anyone thinks Amazon is a good source of release date information for any gaming product, by any company. This isn't exactly news. They've been getting release dates wildly wrong for years now.
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I mean, come on, there doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the other release dates that Amazon puts in, just the Catalyst ones. That, to me, is rather telling as to where the issue lies.
Actually, Amazon make up release dates for PC games all the time, it's not just Catalyst.
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perhaps if catalyst were more open with release dates then people like amazon wouldn't have to resort to guessing?
just saying.....
Thought about pointing that out, but I couldn't think of a way to put it 'nicely' with how irritated I was...
So you went with your first post instead? ???
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And I'm sick of you talking smack about what is otherwise a decent site for making online purchases. You don't like it? Fine. But quit trying to force your view down other people's throats.
You are in a position of authority for Catalyst, and your constant belittling of Amazon makes the company look bad.
Oh for the love of... If they're making shit up with regard to release dates, that is bad thing for them to be doing. People need to be aware if the information from a normally reputable source is not valid, and if a normally reputable source is deliberately providing misinformation they deserve whatever anyone says about them.
Have you considered that maybe the way their system is set up requires the input of some date and that the reticence of Catalyst to actually provide an accurate date is the problem?
I mean, come on, there doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the other release dates that Amazon puts in, just the Catalyst ones. That, to me, is rather telling as to where the issue lies.
And the correct course of action in that case is to put in a placeholder date that is clearly and obviously false, until such time as you can fix the system so that the entry is able to read "TBA".
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And the correct course of action in that case is to put in a placeholder date that is clearly and obviously false, until such time as you can fix the system so that the entry is able to read "TBA".
Or realistic time frames set and accurate information given to Amazon. Guess which one makes Catalyst look better.
2) Catalyst doesn't deal directly with Amazon. At all. We don't provide them with any information, we don't sign off on anything. We do send out sell sheets to distributors and retailors that we do deal with, but those sell sheets never include release dates.
They are a popular venue for consumers to procure goods, you should be doing everything you can to cooperate with them and providing accurate information.
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Children, behave.
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I'm seriously confused as to why A4BG snapped like that, since Bull's far from the only person in this topic who says Amazon's release dates can't be relied on for more than just Catalyst products. Could someone explain?
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I'm seriously confused as to why A4BG snapped like that, since Bull's far from the only person in this topic who says Amazon's release dates can't be relied on for more than just Catalyst products. Could someone explain?
I have been harsh with regards to Amazon in the past. I think they are very bad for business overall, All4 is, obviously, a fan. (And this is a topic for another thread, so we shouldn't prolong it here, thanks), I think he jumped to the wrong conclusion here thinking I was just bashing on Amazon, rather than responding to the umpteenth hundred post saying "Amazon says it will be out by X!"
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And I'm sick of you talking smack about what is otherwise a decent site for making online purchases. You don't like it? Fine. But quit trying to force your view down other people's throats.
You are in a position of authority for Catalyst, and your constant belittling of Amazon makes the company look bad.
He is only saying that we should not believe in amazon dates in reggards to shadowrun.
But aside from that "OH! NO BULL DOESNT LIKE AMAZON..... THE COMPANY IS GONNA IMPLODE!!!!!!! RUN!!!RUN TO THE HILLS!!!!!!!!"
cīmon man grow up a little
Unless Bull has a real life shadowrunners team ready to torch amazon to the ground i think amazon is gonna survive the HUGE blow of Bull disliking the company
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Well, I fortunately don't use Amazon enough for that to be an issue for me. I WOULD like more info on the site about upcoming products, though.
I get that most of you guys are freelance, and I'd imagine that slows things down. But if there was more of an "upcoming products" on the Catalyst site, even with the dreaded TBA attached, maybe people wouldn't be starving for info on Amazon's site as often?
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I'm glad you made a thread to hate on my thread.
Real good. But on topic - let Amazon do what they want. They aren't owned by catalyst they can put whatever date they want. I didn't know if it was real or not so I thought what better place to ask than here?
I'm sure Catalyst has a good reason for not putting out a date and they will when they are ready
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I'm seriously confused as to why A4BG snapped like that.
Makes one wonder.
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I'm glad you made a thread to hate on my thread.
I don't think that this is about you, per se. The Dev Team gets a lot of flack across numerous boards because they aren't living up to expectations set by Amazon. Bull's posted this on a couple boards.
You accepted an official answer with good grace (likening it to Blizzard), but some people are... Testy when the official explanation isn't what is proclaimed on a non-official website.
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I'm seriously confused as to why A4BG snapped like that, since Bull's far from the only person in this topic who says Amazon's release dates can't be relied on for more than just Catalyst products. Could someone explain?
My take, catalyst got surprised by higher than expected demand for their product. I suspect it has to do with a number of factors, including an improving economy. To meet demand they really need to drop a core book before Christmas. People are getting irritated by the slow release schedule but the pdf presence is keeping the game moving forward.
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I understand. My bad for jumping to conclusions. I just thought it was too coincidental to not be about the thread I posted lol.
But still. It's ready when it's ready and they'll release a date when they feel like it lol. I'd rather they take the time to make it OMGAWESOME instead of bleh
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Yeah, sorry if this came off as "hating on" your thread. Not my purpose. Since SR5 has been announced, there have been easily a dozen or more threads where Amazon release dates get brought up, and it's really counterproductive (not to mention very wearying) to have to post the same batch of replies (and have the same arguements) every time.
This was supposed to be more of a "catch all" informative post to sorta catch everyone before they post that in the future, but unfortunately I'm having a crap day so was snarkier and crankier than I meant to be, and of course its the internet so it went from zero to flamefest in 5.0 seconds. hence why I unstickied it.
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I'm seriously confused as to why A4BG snapped like that, since Bull's far from the only person in this topic who says Amazon's release dates can't be relied on for more than just Catalyst products. Could someone explain?
I have been harsh with regards to Amazon in the past. I think they are very bad for business overall, All4 is, obviously, a fan. (And this is a topic for another thread, so we shouldn't prolong it here, thanks), I think he jumped to the wrong conclusion here thinking I was just bashing on Amazon, rather than responding to the umpteenth hundred post saying "Amazon says it will be out by X!"
But they aren't bad for business, except for perhaps the smallest of local shops. Supporting the FLGS is all well and good, but in today's economy, a lower price is simply better for the average consumer especially when one figures in that they will be getting it delivered to their door hence not have to use that precious liquid gold that is gasoline to acquire it.
For Catalyst, Amazon could be very good for business, as, with their popularity in the online shopping market, working in close cooperation with them could make the company far more money in the long run due to increased volume of sales.
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I'm seriously confused as to why A4BG snapped like that, since Bull's far from the only person in this topic who says Amazon's release dates can't be relied on for more than just Catalyst products. Could someone explain?
I have been harsh with regards to Amazon in the past. I think they are very bad for business overall, All4 is, obviously, a fan. (And this is a topic for another thread, so we shouldn't prolong it here, thanks), I think he jumped to the wrong conclusion here thinking I was just bashing on Amazon, rather than responding to the umpteenth hundred post saying "Amazon says it will be out by X!"
But they aren't bad for business, except for perhaps the smallest of local shops. Supporting the FLGS is all well and good, but in today's economy, a lower price is simply better for the average consumer especially when one figures in that they will be getting it delivered to their door hence not have to use that precious liquid gold that is gasoline to acquire it.
For Catalyst, Amazon could be very good for business, as, with their popularity in the online shopping market, working in close cooperation with them could make the company far more money in the long run due to increased volume of sales.
Yes it is cheaper to purchase on Amazon. It is not necessarily better for the consumer however. If you are like me if FLGS are not in the picture it becomes a case of out of sight out of mind. I wouldn't have even known that shadowrun 5 was out had I not visited my FLGS (which is now an hour away instead of 5 minutes thanks to online retailers). I know that everyone is not like me but I also know that a lot of people like to at least see a product in front of them before they purchase and that simply is not possible with Amazon.
You say that all but the smallest FLGS can survive with Amazon around but that is false and I can say that from first hand experience. Most of the ones in my area are only kept alive by magic and pokemon tournaments. I like having stores that know who I am and can recommend products based on their knowledge of me as a person not that I might be interested in something else simply because it falls into the category of something I have purchased in the past. My FLGS knows be by name puts things aside that they know I will want and in general makes every shopping experience something pleasant and I am willing to pay a little extra for that. If you cannot see the value of that then continue to buy from Amazon but don't complain when you have no brick and mortar store to go to.
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Guns, I hate to break it to you, but online retailers DO harm the brick and mortar stores, and not just the mom-and-pop shops. Netflix killed Blockbuster, hunted it down until there was nothing left. Amazon killed Borders, and has Barnes and Noble on the ropes. These aren't small names we're talking about here.
Reno also brings up a good point. The FLGS is typically the 'point of entry' into different games and genres for new players. Sure, someone who knows they want D&D books can find them easily online. But you can't survive off just marketing to current consumers. Some will leave the hobby due to age, money, lack of group, etc. If you don't replace them (or preferably increase your numbers) with new consumers, then you're dead already, and you don't even know it. And the FLGS is where the majority of new consumers come from. Especially if they, say, go in to see what new Warhammer minis are available, and while they're browsing, they find this book called Shadowrun, like the art, and take a look. Or they go in for the Pathfinder book they ordered, and spot All Flesh Must Be Eaten out of the corner of their eye. That is the entire reason brick and mortar stores put products on display, afterall. People who come in for one thing might stop, see the shiny, and buy that too. It is all interconnected like a spiderweb.
Amazon, however, is much more restricted in this sense. Sure, you can browse through the endless screens of line by line product entries, but a one inch picture of the cover of a book (if that) isn't going to excite you like running your finger along a bookshelf and finding an interesting title. Even when you click on the thing you were looking for, if there are product suggestions, they're all different things in the same product line for the most part. You don't get the cross-pollination you see in the brick and mortar store. And the game industry as a whole suffers for this. Sure, games like D&D, Pathfinder, WoD, and Shadowrun will be fine, for the most part. They're the big dogs in this fight, afterall. But the smaller games, like the Serenity RPG, or ParanoiaXP, or Big Eyes Small Mouth are put at risk, because they just don't have the exposure. And the smallest games go out altogether, never having had a chance. A similar situation exists in news media today. You know how pretty much all news coverage in the US boils down to about 3-4 points of view? That's because the vast majority of newspapers, news radio, and cable news providers are owned by a handful of companies.
"But what about word of mouth online?" you say. "Why can't companies use social media to promote themselves?" Simply put, the signal to noise ratio is too damn high. Anything worthwhile gets drowned out by the hordes of cat .gifs, homophobic rants, porn, and more. Have you TRIED looking through random Twitter or Facebook posts? Either you restrict the flow of information you listen to so that it is an echo chamber, with everyone rubbing one out to how great their hobby is, or you are drowned in a sea of information that makes the Pacific look like a drop in the bucket.
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My ears are burning...
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Amazon claims the Sheep will be released on 1/4/2014.
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Um actually private equity over leveraging the company had a lot to do will the failure if borders and blockbuster. Blockbuster's habit if dinging people's credit for $3.00 late fees, and billing problems that kept folks from paying the fees before they hit a credit report did not help.
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And to be fair Barnes and Nobles brick and mortar stores are making money hand over fist. The Nook division and online sales are tanking so hard that they're dragging down the rest of the company.
But Amazon does eat a lot of market share, and given the small margins FLGS's operate on it can't help. Especially when Amazon is lying about release dates and promising delivery before they're competition based on their own fabricated information.
It must be especially frustrating for developers who then have to deal with frustrated customers who blame the manufacturer for not meeting a release date Amazon fabricated out of whole cloth.
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Crunch; do you have evidence of Amazon fabricating such information, or are your comments mere supposition?
Could it be that Amazon inputs whatever the distributors give them, rather than make something up? Which is more likely; Amazon purposefully and maliciously misleading their own customers, or Amazon taking the word of their distributors and publishers?
Food for thought...
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They're either fabricating or failing completely to police their records.
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Crunch; do you have evidence of Amazon fabricating such information, or are your comments mere supposition?
Could it be that Amazon inputs whatever the distributors give them, rather than make something up? Which is more likely; Amazon purposefully and maliciously misleading their own customers, or Amazon taking the word of their distributors and publishers?
Food for thought...
Lets see, this has been going on forever. You don't think amazon itself hasn't gotten constant complaints when dates change? Complaints easily defelcted back on the manufacturer.
What motivation does Amazon have here. they post up a date that looks to good to be true, and make something available for pre-order. Money in the hand is the holy grail. Deliberate intent to post a made up date is hard to prove, but its real easy to come up with a bad date based off of speculation or an 'unnamed source', place it up there, then say 'hey, its not our fault, the source was wrong. Go blame the author/publisher'. So, in this scenario, they get pre-orde sales, and deflect the blame easily. That's certainly more motivation that waiting to post an accurate date (and perhaps miss out on pre-orders).
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Crunch; do you have evidence of Amazon fabricating such information, or are your comments mere supposition?
Could it be that Amazon inputs whatever the distributors give them, rather than make something up? Which is more likely; Amazon purposefully and maliciously misleading their own customers, or Amazon taking the word of their distributors and publishers?
Food for thought...
Given that Amazon apparently put release dates on Catalyst products, and someone who works for Catalyst has said Catalyst doesn't share release date information with them and in fact doesn't actually give release dates until the product is in the warehouse and ready to go, I think it's fair to say Amazon are fabricating release dates.
And as an enormous company, if Amazon has a computer system that means they have to put in a release date to list a product they would be more honest either a) fixing their system, b) putting in a false date like 31 December 2999 or b) not listing the product. But as an enormous company they can do what they want and the people it inconveniences will be entirely unnoticed to it.
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Crunch; do you have evidence of Amazon fabricating such information, or are your comments mere supposition?
Could it be that Amazon inputs whatever the distributors give them, rather than make something up? Which is more likely; Amazon purposefully and maliciously misleading their own customers, or Amazon taking the word of their distributors and publishers?
Food for thought...
Given that such information DIDN'T EXIST for the Shadowrun products which prompted this thread, the latter is fundamentally impossible in this case.
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Crunch; do you have evidence of Amazon fabricating such information, or are your comments mere supposition?
Could it be that Amazon inputs whatever the distributors give them, rather than make something up? Which is more likely; Amazon purposefully and maliciously misleading their own customers, or Amazon taking the word of their distributors and publishers?
Food for thought...
Just quoting to point out the false dichotomy. Especially egregious since one side attributes motives, while the other side does not. We're all overlooking the part where the third option is Dracula.
http://tropes.wikia.com/wiki/False_Dichotomy
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And as an enormous company, if Amazon has a computer system that means they have to put in a release date to list a product they would be more honest either a) fixing their system, b) putting in a false date like 31 December 2999 or b) not listing the product. But as an enormous company they can do what they want and the people it inconveniences will be entirely unnoticed to it.
Or they could just follow Fantasy Flight Game's method, and put either Available Soon or Not Yet Available down to let customers know that it hasn't been released yet. Gamestop has been known to do the same thing; completely make up dates just so that they can list something. To be fair release dates change in video games, but not that much.
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While I agree that "Item not yet released" might be a good alternative, Amazon claims to rely entirely upon 3rd party information. I just contacted their custom service department, and got the following:
"Thanks for the time on hold, I checked into this matter, and we found that Amazon's release dates are completly tied to the manufactures date. This is an estimated date, so if by any chance they decide to change it we just update the product page with the new information."
Make of that what you will. Bottom line; don't trust release dates, wherever they may come from.
To the attention of CGL,
Maybe you could follow one of the suggestions above and contact Amazon for your products, and have them set/change release dates to 5 years into the future or some such?
If it's really in your interest to deal with this problem, posting about it on the forums is unlikely to resolve anything as I would wage a minority of players actually come here. Whoever your distributor is may need a swift kick to the shins to get ahead of the curve and deal with this type of issue proactively, to my mind. Considering that Amazon has a way for publishers, which CGL is listed as for the Box Set at least, to amend the information on the product page, it seems like this could easily be addressed.
"If you are a seller for this product and want to change product data, click here (you may have to sign in with your seller id)."
URL for the HERE part above: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/gp/contact-us/contact-amazon-form.html/ref=asin_feedback_box?asin_or_isbn=1936876523&categoryID=20008&typeID=20023
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Thereīs no need for Catalyst to go after Amazon on this. They simply made a topic here to stop people from going "but Amazon says date X" in forum topics here, and that's all they care about. As for Amazon lying to its customers: That's between its customers and Amazon, not between the customers and Catalyst.
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But there is a need in my opinion, Michael. It's in both Catalyst and Amazon's (as well as any other third party) best interest to keep their customers up to date, and Catalyst has an opportunity to do something about a problem they obviously think is important enough to post about on their forum.
Do they have to? Not at all. Should they? Absolutely, in my opinion it's a win-win for Catalyst as it would mean less complaints on the forum, which means more happy customers.
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But there is a need in my opinion, Michael. It's in both Catalyst and Amazon's (as well as any other third party) best interest to keep their customers up to date, and Catalyst has an opportunity to do something about a problem they obviously think is important enough to post about on their forum.
Do they have to? Not at all. Should they? Absolutely, in my opinion it's a win-win for Catalyst as it would mean less complaints on the forum, which means more happy customers.
+1
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So what, Catalyst should sue Amazon for reporting incorrect dates? I think it's better if they use their time to work on SR5.
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"If you are a seller for this product and want to change product data, click here (you may have to sign in with your seller id)."
URL for the HERE part above: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/gp/contact-us/contact-amazon-form.html/ref=asin_feedback_box?asin_or_isbn=1936876523&categoryID=20008&typeID=20023
@ chandra, or they could just do this bit ^
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But they're not registered sellers on Amazon's website. And is "TBA" an option when you didn't add the product yourself?
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AFAIK, Catalyst sends their books directly to the distributors, Battleshop, and DriveThruRPG. Amazon gets them through distributors further down the line. And I think it has been said before that Catalyst sees more money out of Battleshop and DriveThruRPG sales than they do Amazon, so why shouldn't they encourage those avenues?
Catalyst isn't responsible for cleaning up Amazon's crap. They make the books, they put the books out through their distributors. Amazon does its own thing, and you'd be better off trusting politician's promises, or that construction projects will be completed on time and under budget, than anything they put as a release date.
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Shall I get Mungo on fixing this issue? ;D
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And I'm sick of you talking smack about what is otherwise a decent site for making online purchases. You don't like it? Fine. But quit trying to force your view down other people's throats.
You are in a position of authority for Catalyst, and your constant belittling of Amazon makes the company look bad.
Actually, he's right and it's common knowledge that almost all online stores do that. The same thing happens with video games too.
I mean, come on, there doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the other release dates that Amazon puts in, just the Catalyst ones. That, to me, is rather telling as to where the issue lies.
Go search for any video game that doesn't have a release date yet. Here, I'll show you an example.
http://www.amazon.com/DriveClub-PlayStation-4/dp/B00BGA9ZZ4/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1387002421&sr=1-1&keywords=drive+club
Hate to break it to you man, but you're pretty much the last person on Earth who isn't aware of this very common practice.
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I'll just throw this in: I would love to have a glimpse at the upcoming products in any easy to access location. Every single day I hop on the Shadowrun website and check various spots to find a post or blog about a new book coming out. I wish I could see something more. If you have 6 books with priority, please talk a little about your creative process and plans on what might be inside. Something to whet our appetites. I will be buying practically everything you release anyway, I would just love to know well in advance, even if it's not going to out for a long time. I think it's a good idea to get some hype going, some discussion, get people talking. Maybe have some threads asking for consumer wants and needs and stuff like that, it could be fun. Anyway, just my thoughts.
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On a semi-related note, I just noticed the old bug of the Battleshop that prevented me from choosing a delivery option to France has finally been solved. So I can at long last order stuff directly from the source :)