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Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: evilnerf on <08-31-13/1638:51>
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Hello, I'm fairly new to the Shadowrun metaplot, but I grabbed Storm Front wanting to figure out all the changes between 4th and 5th. There's a couple things I don't quite understand. First, what was Prop 23 supposed to do? There's a lot about the vote itself, but it's hard to pick out what it actually is.
Also, why did Hasteby get stripped of her Horde? She didn't seem to do anything so drastic that would earn her banishment. Any idea why did the dragons do this?
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Prop 23 made the Ork Underground a real district of Seattle so they are entitled to services and taxes like the rest of the city, if they are SINners. Hestaby went against dragon culture and wanted a dragon to be judged by humans which the other dragons didn't like to say the least.
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Ah. Wow, they don't mess around considering all the other craziness that Dragons have been up to.
Thanks for the help
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More about Prop 23 can be found in Dirty Tricks and the Shadowrun Missions Season 4 adventures (Mostly the odd numbered adventures).
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Ah. Wow, they don't mess around considering all the other craziness that Dragons have been up to.
Thanks for the help
As long as that crazy doesn't go against dragon tradition or side with non-dragons....yeah, it's legit.
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Also, why did Hasteby get stripped of her Horde? She didn't seem to do anything so drastic that would earn her banishment. Any idea why did the dragons do this?
Some speculation is about that there are reasons other than any past actions of hers for her banishment, and that the given reasons are merely a cover. She could, for example, now be dragonkind's very own deniable asset - given Celedyr's edict and the general direction dragon-metahuman relations have been going, that could have some serious value.
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Soooo... can a Dragon even grow a Pink Mohawk? :P
And tats, if she is going be a Runner, she is gonna need some tatwork done. ;)
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Given how her horde and followers were burned down, I doubt she has any interest in helping the anti-meta Dragons, unless there's a secret contact that states she will get everything back and then some at a later date. Which I doubt since they already divied up her belongings.
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Actually isn't Sirrug supposedly locked away in the Draconic version of Arkham (and we know how well that place worked) with no way for the humans to check in on this?
That would make him a pretty deniable asset as with only a few minor transformation changes in appearance and he could be back in business....
What's that? A Great Dragon just trashed the Paris MetaPride march? Well it can't be Sirrug as he is locked away, must be someone new....
Or they could add insult to injury, no transformations to his appearance, just a big domino mask or some glasses. ;)
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Except that they didn't lock him up to please metahumanity, but to please the dragons who thought he went way out of line. Letting him loose risks a second Dragon Civil War.
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There is in-world precedence for a dragon to be sprung from draconic imprisonment too - Calozerca.
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There is in-world precedence for a dragon to be sprung from draconic imprisonment too - Calozerca.
Weird thing on that is that he started all that mess in Poland and no other Dragon lifted up their head and went, "Wait, that guy? Isn't he in jail? Hey! Shouldn't somebody, I dunno, go arrest him again or something?"
Of course, we still don't know who busted him out in the first place, so.
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He's been pretty silent since then he might be back in dragon jail.
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Dragon Arkham I tell ya.
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It kind of makes you wonder what dragon jail would have for guards...
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Not sure, but I bet the nightstick/baton is frigging HUGE!
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Tanookis a swarm (?) of tanookis.
What? You expected me to say Drop Bears didn't you?
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Ritually bound oversummoned great form spirits on manacrack
they look like tanookis
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Actually, they get trapped in a metaplane where they have to watch nothing but Teletubbies for eternity.
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Actually, they get trapped in a metaplane where they have to watch nothing but Teletubbies for eternity.
I had a summer job like that.
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Actually, they get trapped in a metaplane where they have to watch nothing but Teletubbies for eternity.
I had a summer job like that.
OH of course! Canners was the warden!
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Horrors would make good wardens...
Also, and I hate to do this but my compulsion forces me to;
It's hoard, not horde. The first is "a stock or store of money or valued objects, typically one that is secret or carefully guarded", while the latter is a gathering or group of creatures.
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Hi Guys just a quick question but has anyone heard anymore details on the super weapon that was used against Sirrug ?
I was just reading the Stormfront book again and i noticed that it mentions right after atzlan hit him, they launched Operation Huntress (taking back Bogota) and in one of the side bars it has a message from Black Mamba that makes it sound like she was trying to extract someone who would have debunked the statement that it had no effect on metahumanity, but that she didn't succed and is dieing and trying to get the truth out.
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If I recall correctly, the weapon used against Sirrurg was developed as part of Operation: Maurauder, and is referred to as Blue-227. It was described as a biochemical weapon that would affect something in a dragon's blood and act as a blood thinner (or a blood thickener, I believe).
Black Mamba's fate is uncertain (though I think she's KIA due to the finality of her statement), but it definitely seems that Blue-227 had adverse affects on non-dragon metahumans if you believe her wording. To me, it sounds like the PAX compound from Serenity, in that it increases aggression in certain (maybe all, in the case of B227) subjects.
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That's the conclusion I came to as well, which doesn't bode well for anyone, but will they cover it up or just pretend that something else caused it ???
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That's the conclusion I came to as well, which doesn't bode well for anyone, but will they cover it up or just pretend that something else caused it ???
aztlan/Aztechnology has a long history of "slash and burn"...... by now most of the evidence is probably ashes in a deep pit in the middle of the rain forest.
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I don't doubt that they will do everything in their power to make it so, but somehow I don't think they will succeed, if only because there is so much they have to cover up something will slip past, whether by accident or (someone else's design ie Horizon) design.... Now that would be an epic run....
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I don't doubt that they will do everything in their power to make it so, but somehow I don't think they will succeed, if only because there is so much they have to cover up something will slip past, whether by accident or (someone else's design ie Horizon) design.... Now that would be an epic run....
Thing is, the truth about Blue-227 kills basically anyone who's in a position to know about it that isn't part of AZT.
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I don't doubt that they will do everything in their power to make it so, but somehow I don't think they will succeed, if only because there is so much they have to cover up something will slip past, whether by accident or (someone else's design ie Horizon) design.... Now that would be an epic run....
Thing is, the truth about Blue-227 kills basically anyone who's in a position to know about it that isn't part of AZT.
If it works how the various Jackpoint posters suggest it does, yes then it would be harder to cover it up.... But I don't quite think they have it right..... I think Blue-227 ( while it probably does exactly what they describe ) drives the aggression and paranoia thru the roof, I think that is why the short little box is provided with sunshine's colleague demise at the hands of a Tsunami trooper.... And that is what's going to make it hard to cover up, if it affects a area similar to a slum no one is gonna care but what if it happens in downtown Denver ( like the azzies could resist sticking it to Ghostwalker), because it is an awfully useful weapon...
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I don't doubt that they will do everything in their power to make it so, but somehow I don't think they will succeed, if only because there is so much they have to cover up something will slip past, whether by accident or (someone else's design ie Horizon) design.... Now that would be an epic run....
Thing is, the truth about Blue-227 kills basically anyone who's in a position to know about it that isn't part of AZT.
If it works how the various Jackpoint posters suggest it does, yes then it would be harder to cover it up.... But I don't quite think they have it right..... I think Blue-227 ( while it probably does exactly what they describe ) drives the aggression and paranoia thru the roof, I think that is why the short little box is provided with sunshine's colleague demise at the hands of a Tsunami trooper.... And that is what's going to make it hard to cover up, if it affects a area similar to a slum no one is gonna care but what if it happens in downtown Denver ( like the azzies could resist sticking it to Ghostwalker), because it is an awfully useful weapon...
If they were to do that, that would be one thing. I don't see that happening anytime soon, however.
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The Azzies might ne callous and evil, but they are not stupid....
they probably knew there was a risk of metahuman cross over, but deemed the risk was worth it....
But even if only a few of those infect with B-227 caused issues in Aztlan, then Aztechnology would probably recgognize that using it over a densely populated city would Corporate suicide....
Could you imagine the ecomonic impact as the relatives of those that died by B-227 sued the pants of Aztech??? And you can bet at least a couple of Megas would be offering "support" to make sure things when to trial and stayed in the public spotlight.
Heck, the Aztlan/Amazonia war as already caused Aztlan to hemmorage money by way of lost foodstuffs, and consumer products.... 300,000 people suing them over a chemical weapons attack COULD just spell the end of them... Especially if the Other Megas, the UN and the CC decided to come down hard on them!
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The risk of suit would imply a court that would give the plaintiffs a fair hearing. Given that Aztechnology essentially is Aztlan, has a vote on the Corporate Court and is extraterritorial (meaning that no other court would have jurisdiction) I doubt any suit against Aztechnology (or any other mega) could succeed.
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The risk of suit would imply a court that would give the plaintiffs a fair hearing. Given that Aztechnology essentially is Aztlan, has a vote on the Corporate Court and is extraterritorial (meaning that no other court would have jurisdiction) I doubt any suit against Aztechnology (or any other mega) could succeed.
except that a Corp is libel for damage that crosses it borders...
And The fact that Aztech is on the CC means nothing. Since a charge has been leveled against them, their Court Justice is removed from the voting blocks.
(as per CC rules) The Aztech Corp justice and the Justice from the plaintiff party do not get a vote to the outcome... one acts as the prosecutor, the other as the Defendant, and the rest pass judgment. Considering that the use of Bio weapon in Denver would and could affect the UCAS, CAS, and the NAN, Aztlan could be facing the threat of war from all of North America on just Aztlan.... while the other corps (who would be affected by the loss of citizens and consumers by the bio attack) would gang up on Aztechology.
Remember, Aztechology has NO friends on the CC.... and Aztlan has no friends in the NAN, UCAS, CAS.....
So deploying B-227 over a shared city like Denver would be suicide for Aztlan/Aztech, they have no way to contain the damage to just their sector.
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except that a Corp is libel for damage that crosses it borders...
And The fact that Aztech is on the CC means nothing. Since a charge has been leveled against them, their Court Justice is removed from the voting blocks.
(as per CC rules) The Aztech Corp justice and the Justice from the plaintiff party do not get a vote to the outcome... one acts as the prosecutor, the other as the Defendant, and the rest pass judgment. Considering that the use of Bio weapon in Denver would and could affect the UCAS, CAS, and the NAN, Aztlan could be facing the threat of war from all of North America on just Aztlan.... while the other corps (who would be affected by the loss of citizens and consumers by the bio attack) would gang up on Aztechology.
Remember, Aztechology has NO friends on the CC.... and Aztlan has no friends in the NAN, UCAS, CAS.....
So deploying B-227 over a shared city like Denver would be suicide for Aztlan/Aztech, they have no way to contain the damage to just their sector.
Isn't Azlan getting chummy with the PCC? The gave a bunch of Texas to them, after all, which caused the PCC to move around troops in a way that allowed Aztlan to redeploy their own troops towards the Amazonian border.
To say that Aztechnology (and by extension Aztlan) has no friends is a little harsh; hell, before the whole Texas debacle even the CAS was less-than-hostile towards the big A, and even after large parts of the CAS regions could care less about Texas.
I also think it's a little too overarching to say that Big A has no friends amongst the other mega's. Who knows what goes on with the leadership, the subsidiaries, and the various affiliates. There's so much scheming going on that a game of chess between grandmasters seems straight-forward...
I will agree that AZ dropping Blue-227 over Denver would be political suicide, even if they got Ghostwalker and his posse. This sort of action would only solidify the dragon opposition against them, and could likely gather dragonkind to strike back in a united and organized fashion. As it stands, AZ has been building PR goodwill by exposing the Horizon atrocities (the mass graves and the war crimes that resulted in them) and giving back land in Texas to the PCC, so taking this sort of action would be completely counter to their seemingly current strategy of trying to play nice.
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They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.
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They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.
The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ????
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Isn't Azlan getting chummy with the PCC? The gave a bunch of Texas to them, after all, which caused the PCC to move around troops in a way that allowed Aztlan to redeploy their own troops towards the Amazonian border.
To say that Aztechnology (and by extension Aztlan) has no friends is a little harsh; hell, before the whole Texas debacle even the CAS was less-than-hostile towards the big A, and even after large parts of the CAS regions could care less about Texas.
I also think it's a little too overarching to say that Big A has no friends amongst the other mega's. Who knows what goes on with the leadership, the subsidiaries, and the various affiliates. There's so much scheming going on that a game of chess between grandmasters seems straight-forward...
As to the PCC thing, I seem to remember the PCC making off pretty well from that, too, so I think it would be a stretch to suggest that indicates relations any more positive than "on speaking terms".
As to the other megas: Horizon has been going after them forever, and the Consensus will continue moving them to do so. SK and NeoNET aren't gonna be on their side due to involved dragons. Evo's probably out, because Buttercup probably has an issue with blood magic. And the Japanacorps are pretty much only going to help each other. Remember that in the past the CC called down what may or may not have been an Omega Order on the Azzies.
Hellion: Literally no one would take that job. And remember, Blue-227 doesn't work alone; a massive military strike and ritual was required, and it still didn't score a kill.
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@Rhat I'm pretty sure the ritual was over by the time the reporter was killed, because it states in the book that Operation Huntress started after they took Sirrug out, but i could be wrong and i suspect that the only reason it didnt score a kill has more to do with the ritual being interrupted at the various temples than for it not being a good weapon, and i also think that a dragon would be more magically resistant than a bunch of metahumans..... It would work on a smaller scale, similar to how the sarrin gas was released in the tokyo subway a few years ago....
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@Rhat I'm pretty sure the ritual was over by the time the reporter was killed, because it states in the book that Operation Huntress started after they took Sirrug out, but i could be wrong and i suspect that the only reason it didnt score a kill has more to do with the ritual being interrupted at the various temples than for it not being a good weapon, and i also think that a dragon would be more magically resistant than a bunch of metahumans..... It would work on a smaller scale, similar to how the sarrin gas was released in the tokyo subway a few years ago....
I'm saying that if you're going after Ghostwalker, it's not enough to just drop Blue-227 - and the other things you'd have to pull off would fully prevent any deniability.
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I wasn't thinking that Ghostwalker would be targeted directly more the people of Denver, i now realise that i didn't make that clear but could you imagine a few small pockets of people just going absolutely nuts and just trying to murder everyone near them, that would be a massive strain on a city... Night of rage without the racial motivations
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... What would they even do that for? It doesn't get them a damn thing...
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Indirect action. Destroy his city, hit him where his ego hurts the most. Actually very Dragonish in approach. Avoids direct confrontation, keeps exposure low.
Might result in exposing Ghostwalker to a more direct attack later down the track?
Still risky, if exposed, would be hell to pay. Other Dragons would back Ghostwalker in this case, afterall, his less of a loose cannon as Sirrug. Its like attacking a dragon in their lair, surely that's worth a full draconic retalliation?
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I doubt that the CC is thinking about taking AZT to trial. Renraku is currently an ally, they've got great public approval, and they took out Bad Dragon #1. Everyone who died under the influence of Blue-227 was an acceptable loss in a war against a terrorist.
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I doubt that the CC is thinking about taking AZT to trial. Renraku is currently an ally, they've got great public approval, and they took out Bad Dragon #1. Everyone who died under the influence of Blue-227 was an acceptable loss in a war against a terrorist.
if they released B-227 over a neutral city like Denver? oh heck yea they would. Over the middle of the rain forest/war zone? Not worth their effort.
Sadly it's the location, no the act that would get the CC involved. In the middle of the rainforest, there is no real corp interest. Denver City? Filled with consumers, Nations, and Corp citizens that would ALL be affected by B-227? they would be all over it so as to not appear weak. A lot of the CC's power come from their perceived ability to control and contain Mega Corp violence. If they let Aztech get away with using a biological weapon on a populated neutral city, that power base and authority would start to crack as people of the world see them as ineffectual. And if they are ineffectual, why listen to them?
the key here is WHERE is the weapon being used.... in a warzone away from major population centers, no one cares. The spin doctors go to work about the tragic collateral damage, sob, sob, sob.
Which is a far cry different then going after Ghostwalker in a Neutral city housing 4 countries and offices for all 10 MegaCorps and hundreds(?) of AA rated and smaller corps. you have to remember B-227 is not a point and click weapon, it is a mist... which means it is vunerable to air currents..... they Explode it over Aztlan territory, it drifts on the wind and blankets everything downwind of the detonation point.... so countless people would be infected from other sectors/Nations/Corps... and that is when the field day happens.
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@Reaver While i see your point there are plenty of more controlled ways of getting a pathogen into your victims than a simple areosal vector, poisoning drinking water, heck you could even get nasty and selectively inject certain targets.... and if magic is the trigger which while isn't stated outright (mind you i can see the implication), well it doesn't have to even be an offensive spell to trigger it, could be a simple thing like detect life or even something beneficial like heal or detox.... and seeing as you infected people selectively only the "blue crew" would be affected, perfect terror weapon.... And only the Azzies really know their future plans they could be using their allies as a smoke screen to come back with vengeance at their enemies.... Hell thinking about it that way they could target Amazonia and then steam roll them...
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@Reaver While i see your point there are plenty of more controlled ways of getting a pathogen into your victims than a simple areosal vector, poisoning drinking water, heck you could even get nasty and selectively inject certain targets.... and if magic is the trigger which while isn't stated outright (mind you i can see the implication), well it doesn't have to even be an offensive spell to trigger it, could be a simple thing like detect life or even something beneficial like heal or detox.... and seeing as you infected people selectively only the "blue crew" would be affected, perfect terror weapon.... And only the Azzies really know their future plans they could be using their allies as a smoke screen to come back with vengeance at their enemies.... Hell thinking about it that way they could target Amazonia and then steam roll them...
Hellion, we are talking about B-227 which was designed to be delivered by missile. We have no evidence that it would work any other way. Add to that fact that we don't know for sure that dragons even need to eat.... Although there is mention of alamais and others hunting people, we don't know if this was just for sport, or for hunger. as for a water vector.... how would you deliver it and make sure ONLY Ghostie drank it? How much is actually needed to be effective? Over what time from? All we know for sure about B-227 is that it's airborn (the missile). We have no idea how long the effects last, what it's dilution rate or its saturation rate is.
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I wasn't thinking that Ghostwalker would be targeted directly more the people of Denver, i now realise that i didn't make that clear but could you imagine a few small pockets of people just going absolutely nuts and just trying to murder everyone near them, that would be a massive strain on a city... Night of rage without the racial motivations
I stated that i don't think Ghostie would be targeted directly, and as for what you would need to affect him your probably right it would be a ridiculous amount.... As for dilution rate it would have to be fairly hard to dilute if its being used in a sub tropical or even tropical region due to the high humidity just in the air, and as for saturation well it seemed that the Azzies believed in pink mohawk over kill saturation so there is no way of knowing.
I mean it being aimed at people, which probably even if your target is a troll can only weigh maybe 1/15th of a dragon even if hes half made of metal, so only a small portion of the aforementioned warhead would be need to my thinking. I admit im simply speculating on the possible uses or capabilities of Blue-227 with the hopes that my thoughts aren't too wild and hoping to see what other think.... I am planning to write up a little run to try and steal some of it from the Azzies so i was looking to see what others thought.
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I am sorry I misinterpreted what you meant.
AS for where the Azzies would be keeping it. Mexico City (I can't spell it's new/old name :P) in the great Pyramid would be by guess. Right in the heart of darkness itself.
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I got the same problem with the spelling/pronounciaition.... I agree that would be the safest place to keep it.... I would think seeing as the Azzies now have Bogota back they might keep some warheads there too or would you think that's not a likely hood ???
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well, after the little "dragon news conference" they know Surring has gotten a "dragon time out" and is being forced to sit in the corner somewhere... which leaves only a couple great feathered serpents, a few eastern/western dragons (not greats). As the only threats from Amazonia. However, Ghostwalker is not going to be happy that they forced their way back into "his" city.
the other problem is security.. from what I read about Bogota, it's a hellhole.. so security wise it is either madness or genius to hide a few warheads there...
Madness cause the place has been torn apart but what 2 years or fighting? 3? Genius cause it IS so damaged that no one would expect them to be there.
But from what I remember reading there is still a low intensicty ground war with rebels who refuse to surrender.... and getting their hands on such a weapon to use on aazzie troops would be a major coupe.
Now, Aztech may want into Denver bad, but I doubt they would use or store the weapon there while there is still a chance for a diplomacy to carry the day... not to mention the problems with actually using the weapon in a major city (see my above rants)
So I can see it being in the "heart of darkness" until they can force Ghostie to cross into aztlan territory proper, where they can declare a national emergency and then deploy the weapon.
the flip side of that is Dragons are not stupid. Arrogant, prideful? Sure, but not stupid, They are aware of the weapon now. And will be seeking out it's location for destruction.... most likely through runners. (so all the more reason for it to be somewhere they have the best security... )
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I was under the impression that there was more great dragons on the side of Amazonia, but I probably need to do more reading to make sure.... I remember being told there's a fine line between madness and genius, but I have to say you do make a very convincing arguement for it not being kept in Bogota , as for calling any of the above rants, I don't think so. It's easy enough to miss something and work from there, and I'd rather have someone who can defend what they are saying with passion and logic rather than just passion.
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I was under the impression that there was more great dragons on the side of Amazonia, but I probably need to do more reading to make sure.... I remember being told there's a fine line between madness and genius, but I have to say you do make a very convincing arguement for it not being kept in Bogota , as for calling any of the above rants, I don't think so. It's easy enough to miss something and work from there, and I'd rather have someone who can defend what they are saying with passion and logic rather than just passion.
From what I remember, there was really only Suurig, and a feathered Serpent (I want to say Probe, but I think that is wrong) that were greats. There were lots of just dragons that were with Amazonia however (which is scary enough really) not to mention drakes and other awakened critters. But it has been some time since I read Storm front now, so I could be mistaken
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Thank you for the compliment.
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Still wondering whether Sybil or Blue-227 will be to blame for the Boston Lockdown. :)
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Still wondering whether Sybil or Blue-227 will be to blame for the Boston Lockdown. :)
Sybil plays a part in the Lockdown it seems (http://www.shadowrun.com/shadowrun-online/2013/06/14/life-imitates-art-if-you-want-to-call-what-i-do-art/), but is it the cause? Only those pesky SR writers know the truth... :p
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Add to that fact that we don't know for sure that dragons even need to eat.... Although there is mention of alamais and others hunting people, we don't know if this was just for sport, or for hunger
Granted they're no longer the same IP/game universe, but in Dragons of Barasive from ED there is mention about dragonkind needing to eat. I'm sure there's a fair bit of hunting by certain dragons for sport, but they still need more than mana to fuel themselves.
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What's this about a Boston Lockdown? Is it part of the upcoming MMO, because I can't remember reading anything about it in Storm Front
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What's this about a Boston Lockdown? Is it part of the upcoming MMO, because I can't remember reading anything about it in Storm Front
It's the setting of the upcoming Shadowrun Online videogame, and it will also get a sourcebook for the pen-and-paper game. And that's all we know for now :)
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What's this about a Boston Lockdown? Is it part of the upcoming MMO, because I can't remember reading anything about it in Storm Front
It's the setting of the upcoming Shadowrun Online videogame, and it will also get a sourcebook for the pen-and-paper game. And that's all we know for now :)
You see, someone gave some flesh forms nanoware, and there's a bunch of Sybil-infected bugs roaming Boston. Bug City 2, just in time for the holidays!
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They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.
The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ????
At the risk of sounding like Mirikon, the Dragons could probably trace a trick like that right back to AZT.
And at any rate, entrusting something on this scale to Shadowrunners is risky, because while they are thugs, thieves, pimps and sharks, they're still human and are almost certainly going to be prone to an attack of conscience.
And you really, really don't want someone going off the Reservation with a weapon as big and bad as the kind AZT took upon themselves to use against The Destroyer.
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They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.
The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ????
At the risk of sounding like Mirikon, the Dragons could probably trace a trick like that right back to AZT.
And at any rate, entrusting something on this scale to Shadowrunners is risky, because while they are thugs, thieves, pimps and sharks, they're still human and are almost certainly going to be prone to an attack of conscience.
And you really, really don't want someone going off the Reservation with a weapon as big and bad as the kind AZT took upon themselves to use against The Destroyer.
Correction... SOME runners might have a conscience.... Some are more then happy to skin babies and then rub them in salt.... but usually (hopefully!) their own sociopathic nature removes them from the world in short order.
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They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.
The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ????
At the risk of sounding like Mirikon, the Dragons could probably trace a trick like that right back to AZT.
And at any rate, entrusting something on this scale to Shadowrunners is risky, because while they are thugs, thieves, pimps and sharks, they're still human and are almost certainly going to be prone to an attack of conscience.
And you really, really don't want someone going off the Reservation with a weapon as big and bad as the kind AZT took upon themselves to use against The Destroyer.
Correction... SOME runners might have a conscience.... Some are more then happy to skin babies and then rub them in salt.... but usually (hopefully!) their own sociopathic nature removes them from the world in short order.
But even the runners that are like that aren't people you would trust with WMDs. No, the best you can expect from runners is to get them to do something like switch the 'cleaning supplies' with something that they don't realize turns into a chemical warfare agent when combined with cleaners, or bring in the sealed package that eventually turns out to be a bioweapon or briefcase nuke or whatever. Even that is risky, especially if they try to check the package out (so they know what the frag they're carrying). There are runners who have been tricked like that in the past.
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They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.
The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ????
At the risk of sounding like Mirikon, the Dragons could probably trace a trick like that right back to AZT.
And at any rate, entrusting something on this scale to Shadowrunners is risky, because while they are thugs, thieves, pimps and sharks, they're still human and are almost certainly going to be prone to an attack of conscience.
And you really, really don't want someone going off the Reservation with a weapon as big and bad as the kind AZT took upon themselves to use against The Destroyer.
Correction... SOME runners might have a conscience.... Some are more then happy to skin babies and then rub them in salt.... but usually (hopefully!) their own sociopathic nature removes them from the world in short order.
But even the runners that are like that aren't people you would trust with WMDs. No, the best you can expect from runners is to get them to do something like switch the 'cleaning supplies' with something that they don't realize turns into a chemical warfare agent when combined with cleaners, or bring in the sealed package that eventually turns out to be a bioweapon or briefcase nuke or whatever. Even that is risky, especially if they try to check the package out (so they know what the frag they're carrying). There are runners who have been tricked like that in the past.
ahh, the old "add this vitamin water to the food processors" trick..... gotta love the faces of the runners when they piece together that they are actually responsible for poisoning an entire segment of the population :D
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Oldy but a goodie, originally used right in the beginning of the Secrets of Power trilogy, back when Twist was just a Renraku Researcher.
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Reminds me of an exchange between a few players in one of my games a few months ago. The team was given a data chip to be delivered and of course told expressly not to look at it's contents. Of course one charachter wanted to look at it, while a few of the others were against it. One of the charachter arguements ended with "perhaps you shouldn't be in the package delivery buisness."
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Malathis, that pretty much draws the line between the 'professional criminal' shadowrunners and the 'scoundrels sticking it to the Man' shadowrunners. Both valid ways to play, but both will have certain reputations.
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And consequences. Professionalism sounds great, until the Johnson uses that to manipulate you into committing mass fragging murder.
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And consequences. Professionalism sounds great, until the Johnson uses that to manipulate you into committing mass fragging murder.
And that's why you get a reputation for being the wrong guy to frag over.
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And consequences. Professionalism sounds great, until the Johnson uses that to manipulate you into committing mass fragging murder.
And that's why you get a reputation for being the wrong guy to frag over.
This is why Homework on your Johnson can be important... When the screw over happens, you know whose door to go knock on to collect the "Stupid tax" from :P
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And consequences. Professionalism sounds great, until the Johnson uses that to manipulate you into committing mass fragging murder.
And that's why you get a reputation for being the wrong guy to frag over.
This is why Homework on your Johnson can be important... When the screw over happens, you know whose door to go knock on to collect the "Stupid tax" from :P
Or, more importantly, whose head to give to Ghostwalker.
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Can't wait to screw over my players and see what they do to get the Johnson to pay. :)
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Can't wait to screw over my players and see what they do to get the Johnson to pay. :)
tie straps, hot plate, chair, DTF large leather bound copy of the bible - WITH pictures...
takes about 3 minutes to get you payment, plus the "stupid tax"
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When MacCallister pushed Trinity Carmack out of the way of the blast in Silver Platter, saving her life while he lay there with an arm less, her response was taking one of the Humanis members responsible, kneecapping him, cutting "the biTCh says hi" in his chest, chopping off his arms and cauterizing the stumps so he wouldn't bleed to death, then having the guy publicly executed on television to send a message. Can't wait to see what she does when a Johnson screws her over.
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*nods* Making a habit of the ultraviolence will be bad for your rep, but when used appropriately (like any other tool), it can work wonders for you. A show of force can prevent future conflicts.
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*nods* Making a habit of the ultraviolence will be bad for your rep, but when used appropriately (like any other tool), it can work wonders for you. A show of force can prevent future conflicts.
very true. Especially if you put the fear of <insert deity here> into them on the first try.
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*nods* Making a habit of the ultraviolence will be bad for your rep, but when used appropriately (like any other tool), it can work wonders for you. A show of force can prevent future conflicts.
Also known as the Blackbeard tactics. It's now believed he didn't kill that many people. But he put on a show, and the legend grew from there. At some point enemy ships were surrendering without a fight at the mere sight of him :)
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EDIT: Saw Miri or Can mention Puck rescued in CI. Got me some reading to do.