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Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: Solarious on <03-17-14/0935:56>
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Just a few ideas I had...
1) mount the lense side of the rope onto a vehicle weapon mount.
Bam! Now your Mage can "shoot" in a car chase. May require special Magesight Targeting autosoft
2) mount the rope onto a small drone. Now you can walk or fly it out from behind corners, cover, ect
3) I'm pretty sure the rope can be loaded into a grappling gun Given it's made of essentially one of the kinds that can already be loaded
4) given the fact that it doesn't actually say what the "missile" part of the grappling gun actually is why not combine #2 & 3 and shoot out a small drone from the gun? I would personally use a Kanmushi because once fired it's gecko tipped feet can stick to the target surface.
Any other ideas out there?
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When you say "Manasight Goggles" you are talking about the fiberoptic (emphasis optic) goggles?
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Me thing someone needs a nap. Quick.
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When you say "Manasight Goggles" you are talking about the fiberoptic (emphasis optic) goggles?
I know you're trying to be clever and thats cute and all but I have no idea what you mean
I did mean Mage Sight Goggles which are used to increase the range and location of your (emphasis optic) line of sight for the purposes of seeing a target for throwing spells
This requires you to move the lense end of the rope to said distant location.
The rope itself can move on it's own power (controlled somehow by the user) but this seems to be incredibly limited in where it would actually be able to travel
Does no one actually use these?
Seems like it would be a required purchas for mages since I know I wouldn't want to hang my ass out of cover to be able to throw a spell
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When you say "Manasight Goggles" you are talking about the fiberoptic (emphasis optic) goggles?
I know you're trying to be clever and thats cute and all but I have no idea what you mean
I did mean Mage Sight Goggles which are used to increase the range and location of your (emphasis optic) line of sight for the purposes of seeing a target for throwing spells
This requires you to move the lense end of the rope to said distant location.
The rope itself can move on it's own power (controlled somehow by the user) but this seems to be incredibly limited in where it would actually be able to travel
Does no one actually use these?
Seems like it would be a required purchas for mages since I know I wouldn't want to hang my ass out of cover to be able to throw a spell
A lot of people take a pass on these.
I have no idea why either.
And if you look at your Topic for the thread, you typed in "MANAsight Goggles" not Mage sight :P
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When you say "Manasight Goggles" you are talking about the fiberoptic (emphasis optic) goggles?
I know you're trying to be clever and thats cute and all but I have no idea what you mean
I did mean Mage Sight Goggles which are used to increase the range and location of your (emphasis optic) line of sight for the purposes of seeing a target for throwing spells
This requires you to move the lense end of the rope to said distant location.
The rope itself can move on it's own power (controlled somehow by the user) but this seems to be incredibly limited in where it would actually be able to travel
Does no one actually use these?
Seems like it would be a required purchas for mages since I know I wouldn't want to hang my ass out of cover to be able to throw a spell
A lot of people take a pass on these.
I have no idea why either.
And if you look at your Topic for the thread, you typed in "MANAsight Goggles" not Mage sight :P
I suspect it may come down to hauling 30m of optic cabling around, which really isn't that bad -especially if you have your drone hauling it anyway and also partly due to the infamous GM/Gentlemen's agreement where if you don't use it the GM won't either.
Consider raiding a facility and it has both a decker and mage on site. Situated in a central location, and various 30m stretches of fiberoptics built into the place so the mage tucked away in a safe room can just switch views to various chokepoints wherever the intruders are and rain unholy magic down on them with little or no way for the runners to be able to retaliate/counter.
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When you say "Manasight Goggles" you are talking about the fiberoptic (emphasis optic) goggles?
I know you're trying to be clever and thats cute and all but I have no idea what you mean
I did mean Mage Sight Goggles which are used to increase the range and location of your (emphasis optic) line of sight for the purposes of seeing a target for throwing spells
This requires you to move the lense end of the rope to said distant location.
The rope itself can move on it's own power (controlled somehow by the user) but this seems to be incredibly limited in where it would actually be able to travel
Does no one actually use these?
Seems like it would be a required purchas for mages since I know I wouldn't want to hang my ass out of cover to be able to throw a spell
A lot of people take a pass on these.
I have no idea why either.
And if you look at your Topic for the thread, you typed in "MANAsight Goggles" not Mage sight :P
I suspect it may come down to hauling 30m of optic cabling around, which really isn't that bad -especially if you have your drone hauling it anyway and also partly due to the infamous GM/Gentlemen's agreement where if you don't use it the GM won't either.
Consider raiding a facility and it has both a decker and mage on site. Situated in a central location, and various 30m stretches of fiberoptics built into the place so the mage tucked away in a safe room can just switch views to various chokepoints wherever the intruders are and rain unholy magic down on them with little or no way for the runners to be able to retaliate/counter.
Only 18 years behind the times :D
That exact thing is mentioned in a 2e source book :D
Along with the way to deal with said mage. (LAZERS MAN!!! LA-ZERS!!!)
Personally they are invaluable!
Need to provide overwatch on a hallway while a buddy deals with a door? use the goggles to keep out of site and to cast!
Want to enter a room, but afraid of an ambush? Slip the lead up the door and take a look around.
Want to scale a wall, but not sure what it on the other side? Now you know!
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FYI:
30m of fiber optic cable, in an armored sheath like this stuff? MAYBE 5 pounds...... if that!
a 1500 meter roll of lvl 6 shielded FOC weights 75kg (my lift max and still be moble), and that is way more shielded then a flex cord cover....
I play with this stuff ALL the time! Best crap ever :D
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Lasers?
So if you shot your laser pistol into the lense of the Magesight cable it will come out the other end and still be focused enough to do damage?
Might blind the mage but I'm not so sure it would be powerful enough to do any real damage.
Of course, blinding is the point so I'm down with it.
Who the hell carries a laser gun around though?
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Only 18 years behind the times :D
That exact thing is mentioned in a 2e source book :D
Along with the way to deal with said mage. (LAZERS MAN!!! LA-ZERS!!!)
Personally they are invaluable!
Need to provide overwatch on a hallway while a buddy deals with a door? use the goggles to keep out of site and to cast!
Want to enter a room, but afraid of an ambush? Slip the lead up the door and take a look around.
Want to scale a wall, but not sure what it on the other side? Now you know!
We are not saying they shouldn't be used, indeed we make ample use of it personally.
But I have sat at many tables that do not use it on either side oddly enough or if they do, they want it limited to personal range usage (ie... 5 to 10 meters). Start using it for longer range stuff and they start to look for ways to make you miserable. :P
And how often do you run into security that makes use of this? Granted magic security is sort of lean in many areas, but again if you have it, a safe room with the optic layouts can play murder for a runner group, and lasers still have to be aimed and some clever placement/concealment can mean you may be hard pressed to spot the eye. Again favouring the covering of a chokepoint so you don't have to give away the eye position with a tracking camera mount.
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Lasers?
So if you shot your laser pistol into the lense of the Magesight cable it will come out the other end and still be focused enough to do damage?
Might blind the mage but I'm not so sure it would be powerful enough to do any real damage.
Of course, blinding is the point so I'm down with it.
Who the hell carries a laser gun around though?
Thinking too big! (But cool IF you pack a laser weapon :D)
Laser projection site :D
That little red dotty thing? shine it right down the fiber optic cable... and right into the eyeball of the mage! Now he is not casting any spells for a few minutes to hours! (or, if you have a Redline pistol, EVER!
Signal degradation in FO is tiny. I mean so little it is only possible to tell with math! (our current photo sensors can not tell a difference in the beam strength over 500km! Considering signal strength drop in copper wire can be measured after a single meter, FO is a much better medium for process control and signal transmission then any other medium we currently have, after you factor in all other considerations.)
But, currently it's options for use are limited as FO can not transmit power (electricity). So it's great when you need to feed or send a signal between two powered points... but if you are "daisy chaining" the system so that both power and signal are carried by the same line, then Multiple Paired Copper wire is the best.
Cost is an other factor. Currently the costs of FO are pretty high, but Copper is high as well... If copper goes up an other $1 or so, then, maybe engineers will start using FO more.
Some things to consider:
FO is not as flexible as copper. It can shatter if lateral (twisting) stress is put on it. Does not handle rapid, sudden, extreme temperature changes. Conducts heat extremely well. Is (industrially speaking) fragile and must be supported and protected.
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The fiberoptics in the Magesight rope is apparently surrounded by myomeric rope
Since it moves on it's own I think it must be composed of tiny moving "ribs" like a snake
Also, given the myomeric rope's inclusion in the grapple gun section I would assume it could be used to climb or swing or whatever. No weight limit is given though so who knows?
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The fiberoptics in the Magesight rope is apparently surrounded by myomeric rope
Since it moves on it's own I think it must be composed of tiny moving "ribs" like a snake
Also, given the myomeric rope's inclusion in the grapple gun section I would assume it could be used to climb or swing or whatever. No weight limit is given though so who knows?
considering "Myomeric" is a made up thing, who knows :D
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It is not like Magicians can't use electronic Image Devices at all.
They just can't cast spells through them...
A good suggestion is to use a Monocle + Ear Bud to give you Image Link and Sound Link.
This way you can see and hear Augmented Reality while at the same time being able to cast spells.
(at least it is a good suggestion now after the errata which made them totally legal and only cost rating * 120 nuyen).
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http://www.sofraiche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/monocle.jpg
http://www.milidroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Monocular-5.jpg
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1) mount the lense side of the rope onto a vehicle weapon mount.
Bam! Now your Mage can "shoot" in a car chase.
Your Magician would still use the Gunnery skill when shooting Vehicle mounted weapons. And he can do that perfectly fine with his commlink.
But yes, it would let the Magician to cast spells in a car chase, but then again he could just cast the spell through the reflective image of the optical side mirror anyway....
2) mount the rope onto a small drone. Now you can walk or fly it out from behind corners, cover, ect
Your Magician can already directly remote control his drone using his commlink or sending instructions to the drone's auto pilot using his commlink...
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When you say "Manasight Goggles" you are talking about the fiberoptic (emphasis optic) goggles?
I know you're trying to be clever and thats cute and all but I have no idea what you mean
I did mean Mage Sight Goggles which are used to increase the range and location of your (emphasis optic) line of sight for the purposes of seeing a target for throwing spells
This requires you to move the lense end of the rope to said distant location.
The rope itself can move on it's own power (controlled somehow by the user) but this seems to be incredibly limited in where it would actually be able to travel
Does no one actually use these?
Seems like it would be a required purchas for mages since I know I wouldn't want to hang my ass out of cover to be able to throw a spell
Not trying to be cute or troll or obtuse. I haven't played in decades, and picked of the 5th edition core book. I have found that a lot of people that post here have extensive knowledge of previous editions. Consequently, they reference things not covered in 5E yet. I was trying to understand what you were referencing. My apologies that it wasn't clear in my post.
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I'm not trying to be a dick either
I can jump off with the sarcasm a little quick sometimes
I'm jumping from 1st to 5th Ed myself
Last I played decks actually had real buttons
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Last I played decks actually had real buttons
ahhhh, the good ol' days :D
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They still have a power button. ;D
But, yeah, I miss the ol' MIDI Keyboards.
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Decks ran off Musical Instrument Digital Interface?
Nice
I'd be a better hacker then I thought
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Just don't ask about the very (thankfully) short lived and universally reviled Cyberdeck-Accordion (one of Saeder-Krupp's early ventures into alternate deck designs... they say Lofwyr personally ate the entire research staff for that project when it fell through) as it proved to be rubbish on a run due to it's bulk and the noise it made while decking. :P
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Just don't ask about the very (thankfully) short lived and universally reviled Cyberdeck-Accordion (one of Saeder-Krupp's early ventures into alternate deck designs... they say Lofwyr personally ate the entire research staff for that project when it fell through) as it proved to be rubbish on a run due to it's bulk and the noise it made while decking. :P
Ha!
This mixed with that image above of the Orc with codpiece is gonna stick with me all day.
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Just don't ask about the very (thankfully) short lived and universally reviled Cyberdeck-Accordion (one of Saeder-Krupp's early ventures into alternate deck designs... they say Lofwyr personally ate the entire research staff for that project when it fell through) as it proved to be rubbish on a run due to it's bulk and the noise it made while decking. :P
Ha!
This mixed with that image above of the Orc with codpiece is gonna stick with me all day.
Yep, just a little bit of photoshop and he could be wearing proper Ledhosen. 8)
Dammit, now I want to find that picture of the CDA my old GM drew up as visual aid years ago...
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Sorry to bring this back to the original posting, but don't forget that Mage Sight Goggles don't allow you to just sling spells around corners without penalty. Page 444 (emphasis mine):
These devices use optical technology (glass bending or reflecting light), not electronics, to function. They have many uses, one of the most dramatic of which is that they enable a magician to obtain line of sight for spellcasting from cover, something that can’t be accomplished with electronic devices. Spellcasting targeted through optics this way suffers a –3 dice pool modifier. Optical devices can’t take vision enhancements.
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Better then not being able to try at all
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agreed.
But always a good idea to make sure someone is aware of the limits of a piece of gear. Too many times people think a pice of gear does one thing, but actually does an other, especially with the edition change.
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My 4th edition pixie rigger mystic adept had mage sight cables installed in all her vehicles.
Including the anthroform combat drones she would ride around inside of.
Nothing says "surprise!" like the apparantly zero magic aura guy blasting spells out of it's eyes suddenly.
Yes, it was in fact completly unfair. :)
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