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mcv:

--- Quote from: Reaver on ---So, you have some lore knowledge, but with big gaps (good to know), well I would encourage you to dig into to the Lore, it's pretty vast, twisted and deep!
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I've been doing that a lot over the past couple of years, but there's a lot of lore. There just always seems to be more.


--- Quote ---I'll tell you right now, Renraku and the Yaks have a long, deep and strong relationship..... time to do your homework to find out how and why :D
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I think I vaguely remembered that, but I don't know a whole lot about Renraku and the Yakuza (and the primary thing I know about Renaku is Deus and the Arcology), but I'll read up about them. Any books in particular I should check out? (I have the Corporate Guide, but nothing specifically about the syndicates, I think.)


--- Quote ---Most of the retconning from 4e to 5e has to with nanotechnology. Basically, Nanotech was removed in an event known as the "great disovlement" (covered in like 2 paragraphs), as everything made from nanotech turned into goo.. And along with it went some pieces of gear, cyberware/bioware... and genetech that was only possible thanks to nanotech. And part of that was cloning, to a degree.
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I guess I should decide how to handle that in-game. I could simply avoid nanotech altogether, because it's not covered by 5e rules anyway, or follow the metaplot.


--- Quote ---You're not far wrong in that an adept (or even better, a Mystic Adept) could replace the doppelganger. In fact, that could work just as well with an initiated (mystic)adept. A Physical Mask Spell, Masking metamagic combined with Flexible Signature could hide and change the Adept's aura to that of Dr. Sayr's just fine. Still a change of being seen through, but there are always risks.
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I was thinking of the Facial Sculpt power, but reading it, it seems to be a lot more limited than the Mask spell. A Mystic Adept with Extended Masking would probably be better indeed.


--- Quote ---I too got CFD vibes with the talk about Eghosts, and other bits, so its a good bit of fore shadowing for the CFD plotline that is coming up, should you decide to explore it...

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I think I'll replace the doppelganger with a mystic adept. That's a bit more in line with the lore. Though I was actually looking for missions that were less about magic and more about tech, having just run a couple of missions about artifacts. Still, the doppelganger isn't that important; it's just one more confusing element in the chaos that's going to unfold. It's really about the e-ghosts.

Hobbes:
Just plain old fashioned plastic surgery works fine to create a body double, given the tech available in Shadowrun.  No need to get fancy.  Can't pass a DNA test, but retinal scans are easy-peasy.  Fingerprints would require a bit of GM handwaivium.  "...We've developed a new BioSculpt process that duplicates fingerprints..." 

Auras and DNA are the tricky ones.  Auras are only an issue if they're routinely Assesned by the same person, and their are Meta-magics to make that more difficult.  DNA scanners can be hacked, or a handy Fingertip compartment for a blood draw, or whatever. 

Fancy cyberware, high tech disguise kits, or adept powers are cool for change on the fly stuff, but if you've got a "permanent" replacement you want to slip in, just keep it simple and spend an afternoon getting the biosculpt done. 

Xenon:
Matrix devices ownership might be tricky too (take hours to transfer ownership for each individual device you wish the copy to appear to be the legal owner of).

And the only way to temporary take over social media and whatnot seem to be via the Masqurade action (if your table is playing 5th edition and is allowing rules from kill code that is.... and even so it only seem to last for one minute - it also require that you can place two marks on the original).

As well as SIN (there doesn't seem to be any way to duplicate / borrow / steal / copy someone else's SIN). Maybe not so much of an issue as long as they just use a SIN verification unit (as you can use any fake SIN to beat them), but law enforcement and other government officials might have access to software to directly decode your name out of the SIN you are broadcasting.

mcv:

--- Quote from: Hobbes on ---Just plain old fashioned plastic surgery works fine to create a body double, given the tech available in Shadowrun.  No need to get fancy.  Can't pass a DNA test, but retinal scans are easy-peasy.  Fingerprints would require a bit of GM handwaivium.  "...We've developed a new BioSculpt process that duplicates fingerprints..."
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DNA is a very good point. The Physical Adept is also not going to pass that DNA test. Chances are a highly sensitive lab uses DNA tests, so that would be the reason why they originally used a clone for this. Is there some cyberware or bioware that could produce blood or spittle with the correct DNA? Would it be unreasonable for Renraku to have an experimental version of that at least?


--- Quote ---Auras and DNA are the tricky ones.  Auras are only an issue if they're routinely Assesned by the same person, and their are Meta-magics to make that more difficult.
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Shouldn't Masking metamagic simply do the trick? We're looking at a mix of cyberware and magic now...


--- Quote ---DNA scanners can be hacked, or a handy Fingertip compartment for a blood draw, or whatever.
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If you're going to hack, maybe best would be to hack the server that stores her biometric data. That's probably not easy, but expecting our doppelganger to constantly hack all DNA scanners around her doesn't sound too feasible either.


--- Quote ---Fancy cyberware, high tech disguise kits, or adept powers are cool for change on the fly stuff, but if you've got a "permanent" replacement you want to slip in, just keep it simple and spend an afternoon getting the biosculpt done.

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I don't think the replacement needs to be permanent, though.


--- Quote from: Xenon on ---Matrix devices ownership might be tricky too (take hours to transfer ownership for each individual device you wish the copy to appear to be the legal owner of).
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Device ownership is a totally different issue. But we're really looking at a case of extreme identity theft, so shouldn't the doppelganger automatically own all devices, since she's practically indistinguishable from the original?


--- Quote ---As well as SIN (there doesn't seem to be any way to duplicate / borrow / steal / copy someone else's SIN). Maybe not so much of an issue as long as they just use a SIN verification unit (as you can use any fake SIN to beat them), but law enforcement and other government officials might have access to software to directly decode your name out of the SIN you are broadcasting.

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Again, in this case of identity theft, couldn't she just broadcast her target's SIN instead? The doppelganger is meant to replace the original, after all. That means that everything owned or accessible by the original, now needs to be owned or accessible by the doppelganger, otherwise the while thing isn't going to work at all.

Reaver:
Now, you're getting into security questions :P And there are several books on this subject for SR out there. The best by far is the Lone Star book from 2e. But lets look at some factors.

While it is possible to build the perfect security system, most people and businesses just don't have the time nor the money to invest in them. And, lets face face it, if everyone who went through a given door was subjected to 20 minutes of screening... well, nothing would get done! The other side of this is just the general short cuts that people take every day, many of them through simple habit: Like holding a door for someone.
On general principle, the more obtrusive a system, the more likely people will engineer a system to bypass it. (like holding the door for someone). And some systems, that you think sound really secure, in practice turn out of be the most impractical.

Take say a blood reader on a door... that sounds like it would be a really good system until you break it down:

you are puncturing a digit to collect a blood sample: communicable disease risk!! (HMHVV, AIDS, Hepatitis, VITAS.... should I go on?)

The depth of skin you would need to puncture for my hands after 20+ years of construction are going to be much thinker then some teenage wiz kid just out of college, not to mention the scar tissue build up from having your finger stabbed twice a day minimum: Injury Risk, and False Reading Risk.

If everyday you had to get your finger pricked twice a day, every single day, you would begin to develop an aversion to that exercise: Socially engineered avoidance -"hold the door!"

Saliva poses many of the same risks (higher false positive readings, contaminated samples, etc) while reducing others...

Retina scans are fairly quick, clean and efficient... but can be fooled by cyberware easily...

The biggest issue for any security system however, is the bottle neck they create. By definition, any "denial of access" system creates a bottle neck, and these bottle necks can cause a significant issue to productivity (and thus a Corp bottom line).

Consider this (and this an ACTUAL case study). You have a facility that you need only qualified personnel in, AND you need to record each entry and exit of each person. you have 500 people to feed through your single entrance.
A Simple RFID scanner takes a single second to read and record both the entry and the exit of a person. Meaning the last person is through the doorway roughly 8.5 minutes after the line starts moving.

Lets say they have to sign a logbook.. it takes roughly 5 seconds to find the spot and sign a name... meaning the last person is through the door  roughly 42 minutes after the line starts moving. And a signature is a more secure system then just a RFID tag (believe it or not!)

Lets say they have to insert a keycard, and insert a code: This takes roughly 15 seconds per person: now its roughly two HOURS for the last person to go through the doorway...


Starting to see the issue? And thanks to social engineering (if you knew it would take 2 hours to get through the doorway, are YOU going to be the last one?) you can bet you are going to lose productivity just to the anticipation of the doorway security! Dummy math time: 4 hours a day, 320 days a year @ $20/hr = $25K in lost wage/productivity!

And this was a case study for basically an "shipping warehouse"... can you imagine something like an office building with hundreds to thousand of people?
This is why Security is usually "KISS" and layered, and that layering may not be what you expect.

In this case, Dr. Sayr is a NeoNET employee, and is working on a secure project. 90% of the security has been fulfilled (the vetting and checking.). From there, its just limiting access to areas she doesn't need to be (RFID locked), and keep others out. (basic perimeter defense). Dr. Sayrs probably lives in a NEONet arco-block, so that part of the security is covered (or should be).... So really, what is there left to do?

Which is what makes the original run with the Doppelganger so ingenious... Dr. Sayrs already has all the security checks and clearance done.... She's "inside the system", by using a genetic doppelganger they bypass any of the random checks the system would use (genetic exact match). SIN would not be an issue because, again an exact match. Ownership of things would be an issue... except that they have the original Dr. Sayrs (the "switch" happens after the runners grab the original remember) to "legally" pass ownership (as much as "give me your passwords or I am going to start cutting off fingers!" is legal)


Basically, Don't over think things too much :D 



 

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