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I have been tinkering with this for a while with my game group, and I would like to see some opinions. I know that a lot of the Meta plots have taken a big hit when SR and ED went to different companies.
At what point in SR are we likely to see the Return of the Passions, what new form will they take. (We have already seen and attempted return by the Horrors in previous editions)
Can New Passions Come to Exist beyond the 13
Here is the big one How will the world react to unveiling of the Passions how will it effect the Megas and how will the Megas interact with the Questers
What kind of runs would a Quester be lead to do
I have some of my own ideas but i like extra inspiration and Discussion
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Tom Dowd wrote a story two decades ago where Harlequin has a conversation with one of the Passions, Voices From the Past. Start there.
http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~leirbakk/rpg/shadowrun/fiction/shadowrun_fiction_voicesfromthepast.html
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I'm fairly certin that this story is from the "forward" of the adventure Harelquins Back. Sadly I am currently at work and cannot check the book. As for SR ever adding the passions again, I doubt it. I for one would like to see some more ED crossover action, but with the games in two different companies hands don't hold your breath. That being said, Harelquins does make an appearance in the new artifacts adventures, so we have a little bit of ED crossoverish goodness there lol.
~Dodger
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I'm fairly certin that this story is from the "forward" of the adventure Harelquins Back.
Consider that confirmed.
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That was enjoyable read, however it leaves me wondering whether it was his imagination or not. <.< I'm going to assume not.
I didn't know there were different things besides the horrors.... do Passions come first? o.O'
Also i have a question about horrors. how come back when magic was alive back in EarthDawn why didn't the horror's make it to Earth or whatever? Is it just because magic went away or something?
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There are more things in the Matrix and the Astral Plains, Zilfer, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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I'm really curious about all that too, Zilfer.
Is there anything (as pleasant) to read (as the story James Meiers linked) that gives a history of what's what, who's who and what's going on, for those who don't know/play Earthdawn or haven't played SR for two decades?
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Well as far as online resources , there isn't many that I can think of off the top of my head now that Acient History's site is down. However, I have picked up almost all of Redbrick's 3rd edition of Earthdawn and it's pretty good reading, lots of flavor text and stories..... You just have to also read the current Shadowrun (and older) books ....then make the connections between the two as sadly, the Earthdawn forums rant as active as we are here and dumpshock. We truly are very lucky as shadowrun fans to have such an active player/ fan base.
~Dodger
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That was enjoyable read, however it leaves me wondering whether it was his imagination or not. <.< I'm going to assume not.
I didn't know there were different things besides the horrors.... do Passions come first? o.O'
Also i have a question about horrors. how come back when magic was alive back in EarthDawn why didn't the horror's make it to Earth or whatever? Is it just because magic went away or something?
It was probably his imagination; the Horrors came first, but the Passions came best. And the Horrors did make it to Earth.
Here's how it goes:
- Magic comes back. The Age begins officially when the first Great Dragon emerges. Elves and dwarves are born. Spirits can be summoned.
- Magic ramps up higher. Orks and trolls goblinize. Insect spirits can be summoned.
- Magic ramps even higher. Windlings/pixies, drakes, and changelings emerge. Very weak horrors summonable via very nasty (NPC) magic.
- Magic -- you guessed it -- ramps still higher. Possible that obsidimen and t'skrang emerge. Horrors can be summoned.
- Magic gets so high the Horrors can cross on their own; they do so. Bad things happen.
- People hide in magically-protected areas ('kaers' in Earthdawn) or make themselves 'unpalatable' to Horrors (e.g. the elves of Blood Wood).
- Magic starts to receed. Horrors can no longer cross on their own, but can be summoned -- and once here, can stay. (Earthdawn's time, AFAIK.)
- Magic receeds further. Horrors can no longer be summoned, but can still stick around.
- Magic receeds even further. T'skrang and obsidimen 'go underground'.
- Magic goes under the line -- no more etc. are born/emerge; only 'humans' are born. The Age officially ends when the last Great Dragon sleeps.
Passions are basically ultra-spirits -- the Gods, for want of a better term. They're ... sort of always around, even during low-magic, but you can get actual answers when there's lots of magic.
Any questions?
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I have one! So other than it being Harlequin, why do you think he was only imagining that the passion was there? (other than he was drunk :) )
~Dodger
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Not entirely sure. I think I thought it was actually a memory-image of Ysgraithe (who was destroyed/dispelled by Aina Dupreč over Crater Lake in ... '54?), and who must therefore be not there. It may still be, even though the figure gives good advice. Harlequin uses different words on it, though -- calling it a foul spirit and attempting a banishing that had failed before, Master of the Twisted Path, etc. etc.
Harlequin: "The only wisdom you teach is avoidance. (...) Your words are lies and your deeds treachery. Your inspiration is betrayal."
The Figure: "I am Deceit. I am Deception. I am Treachery. I am Betrayal. I am the passions that bring men to lie to others, and themselves."
At a guess, if it was real, it would have been one of the Mad Passions, partially healed -- or just still not yet fully consumed. All things considered, from what the figure said and after doing some quick research on them on the web, I'd guess it's a mental conjuration of Vestrial -- the cloak, the words, the fact that Harlequin is an Immortal Elf, who could have been a Questor of the Passion Vestrial before the Scourge when it was the inspiration of pranksters and jesters and, err, harlequins, and who could have well been partially twisted into doing something bad afterwards before confronting It and trying to banish it ...
By my guess, I'd say that, partially drunk on a drug that's a sort of alcohol-analogue (I say this because of its description in the third paragraph), he mentally conjures a figure out of his own past to assemble a wide range of scraps of information and put them together into a realization of something critical of what's going on, i.e. the Bridge. Being half drunk/drugged, he uses Power, which despite the figure's words, really doesn't clear his head. It 'departs', burning away -- which could easily be a metaphor of the last of his own haze burning away.
Alternately, it's entirely possible that Alamestra -- which 'is not an indulgence known for gifting wisdom' -- has within it something that can form a literal link between the imbiber and the aforementioned Mad Passion. Caimbuel, if he's a former Questor, would be particularly sensitive to it, and thus Vestrial could personally manifest to him ...
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Or, you know, it could have just been "The Green Fairy". ;)
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hokay...a small treatment of the Passions from ED, if they showed up in SR
Astendar: (Somehow I imagine this one as a Elven rockergirl)
Passion of Love, Art and Music
Common Elements associated: Light Rain, Music, beautiful clothing of intricate textures.
Appearance: ?
Chorrolis:
Passion of Wealth, Trade, Jealousy, Desire
Common Elements associated: Bags of Treasure (well, impressive cred accounts in 2072), Trucking or shipping companies, places that sell goods, food.
Appearance: A corpulent male of any metatype either quiet jovial or bitter and depressed (depending on aspect at the moment). Alway impeccably dressed with objects of great expense around him.
Dis (Mad Passion):
Once Passion of Order, Bureaucracy, and Work, now Mad Passion of Confusion, Unnecessary Work, Complex Bureaucratic Hierarchies, Slavery and Mastery
Common Elements Associated: Papers, Papers and MORE Papers, Contracts, Tomes of Ritual, Slaves, Chains
Appearance: typically a sickly specimen of metahumanity, one that has not seen the light very often and deprived of exercise.
Floranuus: (a party hardy streetbrawler type?)
Passion of Revelry, Energy, Victory, Motion
Common Elements Associated: Fire, Parties, Wine, Roads, Swift Vehicles.
Appearance: ?
Garlen: (let's just call her Gaia and be done with it)
Passion of Hearth and Healing
Common Elements associated: Homes, Children, underground bunkers, Enclosed Spaces, Water
Appearance:?
Jaspree: (somehow, having this one appear as a Shinto Priest blessing the ground works)
Passion of Growth, Care of the Land, Love of the Wilderness
Common Elements Associated: Trees, Farms, Forests, Seeds
Appearance:?
Lochost:
Passion of Rebellion, Change, Freedom
Common elements associated: Strong Wind, Uprooted Trees, Open Doors
Appearance: A stately, muscular gentleman dressed in period work clothing from the 1800's that has the air of dignity and long suffering about it. Alternatively dresses in formal cloths from the same period, trimmed in red white and blue. An alternative appearance is that of a Imperial Eagle with natural red and blue plummage
I've actually had this one pop up as unknown patron for the players that have gotten them out of trouble more than once. The group has a habit of taking on sympathy cases, and has gone head to head with slavers more than once, which drew it's attention. One of the NPC's, Sonny, is a down home redneck that actually believes in the old promises written in the CAS, UCAS, and old US constiutions, and was involved in retreiving Old Glory and the Original Canadian Red Ensign in a run. Old Glory and the Ensign had regenerated in 2061, much to the shock of many involved in care taking them, with one hell of a magical signature. He kept it for himself as he looks at the UCAS as unworthy. Turns out that the 2061 Surge and the beliefs still embued on the material had served as a locus for Lochost to focus on. they are only just beginning to understand that something is up
Mynubruje:
Passion of Justice, Compassion, Empathy, Truth
Common Elements Associated: Balanced Scales, Executioners Axe, Stars, A Comfortable Place to Rest.
Appearance:?
Raggok (Mad Passion):
Once Passion of Tolerance, Leadership, Endurance, and Perseverance, Now Mad Passion of Vengeance, Bitterness, Jealousy
Common Elements Associated: Skeletons, the Undead, Swords (now guns), wounds, insects, snow and ice.
Appearance: a large metatype with the head of a ram (typically a solider of some sort), scores of open wounds that appear, heal then reappear.
Thystonius:
Passion of Physical Conflict and Valor
Common Elements Associated: Banners and pennants, Weapons, Armor, Battlefields
Appearance: ?
Upandal:
Passion of Building, Construction, Planning
Common Elements Associated: Hammer, Building Plans, Compass, Lathes
Appearance?
Vestrial (Mad Passion):
Once Passion of Playful Trickery, now Mad Passion of Manipulation and Deceit
Common Elements Associated: Assassins Dagger (or weapon), blood, Ambush
Appearance: ?
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So passions are always around, and it seems they are seemingly around "passions" or peoples emotions. At least some of them. So that's the first time i've seen that list and it's helpful but cuase I may have a few minor appearances with them.
Are they killable? I'm guessing they are not killable since it sounded like Harle tried to banish it and not kill it.
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Dis huh? I think I got to see "Him" personally...
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The Passions are like the Totems. When was the last time you killed a Totem, or even had one show up during a run?
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Passion = Totem= god. Now if they manifest as a great spirit of some form, the above list should give an idea what they influence
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The Passions are like the Totems. When was the last time you killed a Totem, or even had one show up during a run?
My group came pretty close to blowing up quite a few Totem Poles, does that count?
(Why there's a Polish Totem, I can never understand...)
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I've always considered the Totems as what the passions can manifest as at these levels of mana. And up until 4th tragically homogenized all the magic I thought of shamans as proto-seekers.
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I just had a sick, twisted idea...
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It's almost 11 and you've only had one?
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It's almost 11 and you've only had one?
He is Canadian.
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It's almost 11 and you've only had one?
He is Canadian.
Just means he apologizes after.
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I've always considered the Totems as what the passions can manifest as at these levels of mana. And up until 4th tragically homogenized all the magic I thought of shamans as proto-seekers.
Proto-Seeker? I must admit I've not heard that one
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I've always considered the Totems as what the passions can manifest as at these levels of mana. And up until 4th tragically homogenized all the magic I thought of shamans as proto-seekers.
Proto-Seeker? I must admit I've not heard that one
He's Mega-Seeker's archrival.
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:-\ ....... :o
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It's almost 11 and you've only had one?
He is Canadian.
Just means he apologizes after.
It was a bad day yesterday, I'm an asshole of a Canadian, and to hell with apologizing for evil ideas if all I ever get to do is write or GM!
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The Passions are like the Totems. When was the last time you killed a Totem, or even had one show up during a run?
Never because i'm at a loss as to what a totem is... o.O'
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The mentor spirits that shamans, and others, follow.
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I've always considered the Totems as what the passions can manifest as at these levels of mana. And up until 4th tragically homogenized all the magic I thought of shamans as proto-seekers.
Proto-Seeker? I must admit I've not heard that one
Adj. 1. proto - indicating the first or earliest or original.
early - at or near the beginning of a period of time or course of events or before the usual or expected time; "early morning"; "an early warning"; "early diagnosis"; "an early death"; "took early retirement"; "an early spring"; "early varieties of peas and tomatoes mature before most standard varieties"
Yes, Proto. Shamans are what will become the Seekers.
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The Passions are like the Totems. When was the last time you killed a Totem, or even had one show up during a run?
Never because i'm at a loss as to what a totem is... o.O'
*weeps*
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Are those tears of joy or disbelief? :P
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The Passions are like the Totems. When was the last time you killed a Totem...
I ran over a stray once and made Baby Dog cry. Does that count?
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The Passions are like the Totems. When was the last time you killed a Totem...
I ran over a stray once and made Baby Dog cry. Does that count?
That counts in my book.
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Since this is dealing with ED stuff and cosmology and...stuff...I will include this tidbit.
Raggok has an avatar of himself that wanders around Bartertown (oddly, it IS similar to the one from Mad Max). It is STUPIDLY POWERFUL in a completely unfair way. Of course, if discovered, it simply vanishes and appears in another form elsewhere, the first form simply goes unused anymore. Big nasty fights don't get it what it wants, so why bother with them?
Side note: The entry regarding the avatar states that if players actually DO manage to kill it, then they have not hurt a Passion, they have inconvenienced/angered a Passion. This is Bad NewsTM.
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O.o.... sounds like very bad news.
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But the real question is... WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
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... who cares?
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... who cares?
People with methane-powered cars. :P
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Break a deal, face the wheel.
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I believe that many of the Passions were changed over the millennia and became what are known as the seven deadly sins.
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But the real question is... WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
Master Blaster
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But the real question is... WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
Master Blaster
Louder... *Flips a Switch*
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But the real question is... WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
Master Blaster
Louder... *Flips a Switch*
MASTER BLASTER!
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But the real question is... WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
Master Blaster
Louder... *Flips a Switch*
MASTER BLASTER!
Lift embargo. ;D
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But the real question is... WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
Master Blaster
Louder... *Flips a Switch*
MASTER BLASTER!
Lift embargo. ;D
Turns to Mel Gibson. 'So you'll do it?'
*End Scene*
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I have one! So other than it being Harlequin, why do you think he was only imagining that the passion was there? (other than he was drunk :) )
~Dodger
Ok, so I only found this post while Googling exactly the same question the original poster asked. I don't think Harlequin can actually get drunk. My reason is that immortal elves are immune to poisons, and alcohol is, put very simply, a poison. I think he pretends to be drunk, and since the alcohol is still in his system, he would show up as certifiably drunk on a breathalyzer test, even if it's not actually affecting him. For that same reason, I don't believe immortal elves can be sedated or anesthetized because most drugs used for those purposes are actually low doses of toxins (Succinylcholine is a perfect example of this).
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The Passions we know in Barsaive may not exist on the other side of the globe; other Passions as yet unknown may take their place. More likely, men and women in distant lands know the same Passions but call them by different names. Whatever the truth, the reader will find in these pages all that we know of the Passions of Barsaive.
From http://www.angelfire.com/hero/earthdawn/passions.html
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The Passions we know in Barsaive may not exist on the other side of the globe; other Passions as yet unknown may take their place. More likely, men and women in distant lands know the same Passions but call them by different names. Whatever the truth, the reader will find in these pages all that we know of the Passions of Barsaive.
From http://www.angelfire.com/hero/earthdawn/passions.html
Nice quote! :)
Think of American Gods (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30165203-american-gods) if you are a Gaiman fan (if not, check his work out).
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The Passions we know in Barsaive may not exist on the other side of the globe; other Passions as yet unknown may take their place. More likely, men and women in distant lands know the same Passions but call them by different names. Whatever the truth, the reader will find in these pages all that we know of the Passions of Barsaive.
From http://www.angelfire.com/hero/earthdawn/passions.html
The passions won't show up at some point, they are already here. In Earthdawn they were indeed known by different names at different Places which can be seen by compairing the barsaive versions of the passions with the Cathay versions of the same passions. In those times where magic were high the passions answered and influenced the World. Then came the 5th World, people didn't forget the passions, but the passions stopped answering and influencig, not all at once and not all the time, i mean there were manaspikes and such, so slowly people started thinking that the passions needed to be placated to start answering and so started sacrificing in order to get the passions to respond to them and slowly the passions became distant Gods too busy or uncaring to involve themselves in peoples lives, but they never left and they are still here and have started answering Again.....WHO are Thor, Mars, Ares...etc. but Thystonius by other names, WHO are Aphrodite, Venus and Freya but Astendar by other names, but now it is the 6th World and they have started answering Again and grant their followers powers ( mentor spirits ).
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Apparently the whole topic of Passions is kept suppressed by the old-timers - someone makes reference to overhearing someone discussing following Passions in the Tir Tairngire SB, and Harlequin breaks in to tell him "you're a dead man. I'll send flowers." (not that he was implying he was going to kill him, of course, but that Interested Parties would)
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Apparently the whole topic of Passions is kept suppressed by the old-timers - someone makes reference to overhearing someone discussing following Passions in the Tir Tairngire SB, and Harlequin breaks in to tell him "you're a dead man. I'll send flowers." (not that he was implying he was going to kill him, of course, but that Interested Parties would)
It is part of the whole thing they've done trying to 'de-religion' the people. Big D talks about it in the Aztlan book. Basically, the Dragons and Immortal Elves decided to try and emphasize science and other such stuff, to help advance people, and reduce the troubles that would come when the Sixth World came around.
But really, everything about the Fourth World is held under wraps by those in the know. Part of it is so that the young crowd can 'earn' the knowledge (and hopefully get the discipline that comes with earning it), and not just be spoon-fed everything. But the main part of it is that there is a whole can of worms they don't want opened before it is time. Aztlan already tried to kick-start the Scourge early, because a few people in the corp had the knowledge and shared it with their mages. People just aren't ready for news of what is coming, and if you let too much info out, you risk people figuring the rest out.
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Apparently the whole topic of Passions is kept suppressed by the old-timers - someone makes reference to overhearing someone discussing following Passions in the Tir Tairngire SB, and Harlequin breaks in to tell him "you're a dead man. I'll send flowers." (not that he was implying he was going to kill him, of course, but that Interested Parties would)
There's probably good reason for that. The SR universe has enough problems without the mad passions getting involved. That said, the mad passions are probably already influencing the world on a much more subtle scale. In fact, with as creepy, manipulative, and powerful as Aztechnology is, I can't help but feel like the person (and I use that word loosely) pulling their puppet strings is none other than the master puppeteer himself. Vestrial.
Which makes me wonder what Dis and Raggok have been up to.
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Again continuing along the thread of thought that SR Mentors = ED Passions ( yes i know there are way more mentors than passions, but Again in ED, they were known by different names..etc. in different Places, so there seemed to be more of them and maybe there were/are more than the 13 we know. ), then the mad passions would surely be represented by mentors such as for example advesary and others, also remember that twisted magicians follows twisted versions of the mentors.
So Vestrial, Dis and Raggok are plenty active.
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It is interesting to note that it's Vestrial that was apparently pushing Harlequin to bring the fight to the Horrors...
... but also that Harlequin seems caught up in a powerful being's influence in recent events.
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It is interesting to note that it's Vestrial that was apparently pushing Harlequin to bring the fight to the Horrors...
... but also that Harlequin seems caught up in a powerful being's influence in recent events.
Harlequin has been caught up in Vestrial's influence since before the Scourge. He used to be Vestrial's questor before the fall of Sereatha, and might very well still be so. Being torn between serving his insane patron and trying to save the world from the Horrors sheds a pretty heartbreaking light on why Harley acts the way he does.
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Which makes me wonder what Dis and Raggok have been up to.
Dis, Passion of unnecessary work, bureaucracy, and slavery... I think (s)he's pretty busy : after all, (s)he's basically the heart and soul of every megacorp out there :)
As for Raggok, Passion of bitterness, hate and jealousy... Seems to me he's very active on some internet forums :p
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Which makes me wonder what Dis and Raggok have been up to.
Dis, Passion of unnecessary work, bureaucracy, and slavery... I think (s)he's pretty busy : after all, (s)he's basically the heart and soul of every megacorp out there :)
As for Raggok, Passion of bitterness, hate and jealousy... Seems to me he's very active on some internet forums :p
Vestrial, passion of deceit, treason, and trickery. That about sums up the whole fraggin game!
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ED Passions = SR Totems / Mentor Spirits?? That's one way to look at it, sure.
It's not accurate, but it is interesting.
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ED Passions = SR Totems / Mentor Spirits?? That's one way to look at it, sure.
It's not accurate, but it is interesting.
Are you are saying that there is not a one-to-one correlation between Earthdawn Passions and particular sixth world totems? Or are you saying they don't function in similar fashions/occupy similar roles?
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ED Passions = SR Totems / Mentor Spirits?? That's one way to look at it, sure.
It's not accurate, but it is interesting.
Are you are saying that there is not a one-to-one correlation between Earthdawn Passions and particular sixth world totems? Or are you saying they don't function in similar fashions/occupy similar roles?
The Passions played a different role in ED than mentor spirits play in SR. I'm sure that some SR mentor spirits might be the Passions, but there are MANY mentor spirits that simply don't correlate with any known Passion.
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ED Passions = SR Totems / Mentor Spirits?? That's one way to look at it, sure.
It's not accurate, but it is interesting.
Are you are saying that there is not a one-to-one correlation between Earthdawn Passions and particular sixth world totems? Or are you saying they don't function in similar fashions/occupy similar roles?
The Passions played a different role in ED than mentor spirits play in SR. I'm sure that some SR mentor spirits might be the Passions, but there are MANY mentor spirits that simply don't correlate with any known Passion.
Ofcourse they played a different role in ED, as i said earlier the SR mentors is what the passions look like after thousands of years of evolution up through the various 5th World religions and traditions. Besides we only know of the role they play at one point throughout the Whole of the 4th World.
And in regards to some mentors not corresponding to any known ED passions, well in the ED material they say themselves that other Places have strange passions unknown in Barsaive.....maybe because Theres more than the ones known in Barsaive or maybe because they are known under different names elsewhere, so it's actually left open whether there are more or there are just the ones known from Barsaive.
There's more than enough "evidence" from SR material to show that the passions are still around and more than enough similarities between passions and several SR mentors to suggest that they are indeed one and the same when you factor all the 5th World Development into it. As always though, this is of course a matter of interpretation as, afaik, there's never been any official comment on this one way or the other.
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ED Passions = SR Totems / Mentor Spirits?? That's one way to look at it, sure.
It's not accurate, but it is interesting.
Are you are saying that there is not a one-to-one correlation between Earthdawn Passions and particular sixth world totems? Or are you saying they don't function in similar fashions/occupy similar roles?
The Passions played a different role in ED than mentor spirits play in SR. I'm sure that some SR mentor spirits might be the Passions, but there are MANY mentor spirits that simply don't correlate with any known Passion.
Ofcourse they played a different role in ED, as i said earlier the SR mentors is what the passions look like after thousands of years of evolution up through the various 5th World religions and traditions. Besides we only know of the role they play at one point throughout the Whole of the 4th World.
And in regards to some mentors not corresponding to any known ED passions, well in the ED material they say themselves that other Places have strange passions unknown in Barsaive.....maybe because Theres more than the ones known in Barsaive or maybe because they are known under different names elsewhere, so it's actually left open whether there are more or there are just the ones known from Barsaive.
There's more than enough "evidence" from SR material to show that the passions are still around and more than enough similarities between passions and several SR mentors to suggest that they are indeed one and the same when you factor all the 5th World Development into it. As always though, this is of course a matter of interpretation as, afaik, there's never been any official comment on this one way or the other.
Good point. Well, we know Vestrial is still around. As far as the others are concerned? Wit the separation of ED and SR, we may never know. Shame, really.
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ED Passions = SR Totems / Mentor Spirits?? That's one way to look at it, sure.
It's not accurate, but it is interesting.
Are you are saying that there is not a one-to-one correlation between Earthdawn Passions and particular sixth world totems? Or are you saying they don't function in similar fashions/occupy similar roles?
The Passions played a different role in ED than mentor spirits play in SR. I'm sure that some SR mentor spirits might be the Passions, but there are MANY mentor spirits that simply don't correlate with any known Passion.
Ofcourse they played a different role in ED, as i said earlier the SR mentors is what the passions look like after thousands of years of evolution up through the various 5th World religions and traditions. Besides we only know of the role they play at one point throughout the Whole of the 4th World.
And in regards to some mentors not corresponding to any known ED passions, well in the ED material they say themselves that other Places have strange passions unknown in Barsaive.....maybe because Theres more than the ones known in Barsaive or maybe because they are known under different names elsewhere, so it's actually left open whether there are more or there are just the ones known from Barsaive.
There's more than enough "evidence" from SR material to show that the passions are still around and more than enough similarities between passions and several SR mentors to suggest that they are indeed one and the same when you factor all the 5th World Development into it. As always though, this is of course a matter of interpretation as, afaik, there's never been any official comment on this one way or the other.
Good point. Well, we know Vestrial is still around. As far as the others are concerned? Wit the separation of ED and SR, we may never know. Shame, really.
Well we have the comment from the old Tir Tairngire sourcebook, stating that passions ( plural ) are being followed in Tir Tairngire and i believe that several of them make an appearance on the metaplanes in the "Harlequins back" adventure, so yeah more than just Vestrial. But indeed unless ED and SR gets reunited we will never know ( and probably not even then ).