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« Reply #30 on: <01-27-15/2306:54> »
Design principle can still be applied.
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« Reply #31 on: <01-27-15/2327:49> »
Well considering that the crossbows have a 4 bolt internal magazine... I think they have been ;-)
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« Reply #32 on: <01-28-15/2353:23> »
A little derailed, but par for the course. Back to the topic, can we as a community agree to a price and holding capacity for a quiver or is it "house rule it" just like other inconsistencies in 5th?

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« Reply #33 on: <01-29-15/0013:55> »
Houserule it

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« Reply #34 on: <01-29-15/0507:30> »
Look up some RL or movie things (like Hawkeye's quiver) and play around with those as a house rule.  I think that's the best way to go.

And if you have come to a decision, post it here (or in the house rule section if we have it) maybe so others can use that as well.  And if a developer (some are on the forum if I recall correctly) sees it, maybe your houserule will become the official rule one day. :)
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« Reply #35 on: <01-29-15/0534:24> »
I really like the Hawkeye style of quiver mentioned earlier so that may be a thing in our campaign going forward for those wanting to pay for one.
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« Reply #36 on: <01-29-15/0947:11> »
A little derailed, but par for the course. Back to the topic, can we as a community agree to a price and holding capacity for a quiver or is it "house rule it" just like other inconsistencies in 5th?
Well, I suggest that a "Hawkeye" style quiver (32 arrows) should run around ¥250, and an expedition version (48) should be about ¥400. Will that work, or would you like further options? Irl the archery catalog I get has 4-6 pages of quivers, so I can develop more options fairly easily.
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« Reply #37 on: <01-29-15/1125:14> »
A little derailed, but par for the course. Back to the topic, can we as a community agree to a price and holding capacity for a quiver or is it "house rule it" just like other inconsistencies in 5th?
Well, I suggest that a "Hawkeye" style quiver (32 arrows) should run around ¥250, and an expedition version (48) should be about ¥400. Will that work, or would you like further options? Irl the archery catalog I get has 4-6 pages of quivers, so I can develop more options fairly easily.

I like those prices.  They certainly seem reasonable to me.
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« Reply #38 on: <01-29-15/1133:17> »
It will probably cost a bit more if you want the option of having the arrows assemble by command (that way you can carry more arrowheads and have enough arrows of every kind you want), as that would involve some extra mechanics and stuff installed.  Say double the price.  And since at that moment it has wireless capacity, it has all the advantages and drawbacks of wireless.
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« Reply #39 on: <01-29-15/1215:42> »
It will probably cost a bit more if you want the option of having the arrows assemble by command (that way you can carry more arrowheads and have enough arrows of every kind you want), as that would involve some extra mechanics and stuff installed.  Say double the price.  And since at that moment it has wireless capacity, it has all the advantages and drawbacks of wireless.
This brings up a good question; do the cost of arrowheads from Run & Gun include the shaft?

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« Reply #40 on: <01-29-15/1224:05> »
no, the shaft is sold seperately

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« Reply #41 on: <01-29-15/1243:03> »

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That let's us all shoot so quick?


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« Reply #42 on: <01-29-15/1511:53> »
So another question on the Hawkeye assembling quiver, would you need a DNI in order for it to function? Or step it up to a Smartlink system (since you can apparently smartlink a Bow... although not actually been able to find that example) Or down to just gesture control via AR gloves?
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« Reply #43 on: <01-29-15/1522:59> »
So you have to buy a Core Rulebook arrow shaft to go with the arrow heads of Run & Gun? Man, that could have been spelled out better. For example, a Rating 5 arrow with an Explosive head would be (Rating 5 * 2) + 15 = 25¥, and a Rating 10 arrow with an Incendiary Head would be (Rating 10 * 2) + 100 = 120¥?

I guess that makes it pretty easy in terms of the proposed Hawkeye quiver; buy 32 arrows (64 to 320¥ depending on Rating) and an unspecified amount of arrowheads. Such a quiver should probably be able to hold an equal amount of arrow shafts and heads, with normal arrows not needing to be assembled and optional heads simply threaded on top of the normal head somehow (insert logical reason here; I'd say the area right behind the normal point could be slightly threaded, allowing an optional head to be assembled right onto the shaft something like you see Hawkeye do in the Avengers).

Furthermore, should it take an action for the quiver to assemble the head and shaft? It's a Simple Action to Reload Weapon, which is required to both draw and knock an arrow, and if the quiver was wireless I could see readying the assembled arrow being no more than a free action. If it wasn't wireless, I could see the assembly taking the equivalent of a Simple Action, meaning you'd have to issue the command as a simple action, ready the arrow as a simple action, and fire the bow as a simple action. Certainly would give the wearer an incentive to enable the wireless protocols.

Making some assumptions from the above, one could then end up with something like this:
Cavalier Arms Urban Tribe Auto-Quiver
This is not the quiver of your ancestors. Made from modern composites and featuring state-of-the-art technological advancements, the Urban Tribe Auto-Quiver represents an unparalleled advancement for the modern archer. Popular with Native American gangs and special forces both, the quiver is capable of assembling arrows at a moments notice by threading an arrowhead from its internal magazine onto an available shaft, ensuring the wearer is always equipped for the task at hand.

Capacity  Avail   Cost
     32       10R    250¥
     The Urban Tribe Auto-Quiver can hold up to 32 arrow shafts and heads in any combination. Preparing one arrow takes a Simple Action. An expeditionary model with a capacity of 48 shafts and heads is available for an additional 150¥.
     Wireless Bonus: Assembling one arrow is a Free Action


Alternatively, the Wireless Bonus could be that the assembly of the arrow becomes included in the Simple Action to reload the weapon, freeing up the Free Action for other things.

An archer could for example carry 24 regular shafts (rating * 2¥ ea), 4 injection arrows (rating * 20¥ ea), and 4 static shafts (rating * 25¥ ea) for a total of 32 shafts, with 12 explosive heads (15¥ ea), 4 incendiary heads (100¥ ea), and 4 stick-n-shock heads (25¥) ready for assembly, firing either the normal Rating 5 arrow, normal injection arrow, or assembling a normal Rating 5 arrow into one of 4 different combinations (ex, incendiary, sns, sns w/static shaft).

Assuming Rating 5 for everything, that's (24*10)+(4*100)+(4*125)+(12*15)+(4*100)+(4*25)=1820¥. Just don't lose the damned thing, in other words!

I would probably allow injection arrows to be bought as heads for the normal price of the injection arrow itself (Rating * 20) minus the cost of a normal arrow of the same rating (rating * 2), resulting in a price of (Rating * 18¥), as this would allow an archer to carry a full complement of 32 arrows and 32 different optional heads, with the sole exception being the static shafts.
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« Reply #44 on: <01-29-15/1532:34> »
In 4th edition there exists a mod called ammo skip system (arsenal p150).  That was linked to the smartgun system, so for me a variant of this system can be used to select the arrows.  You put the arrow heads on a cylinder (or similar system), the smartgun system rotates the cylinder until the correct arrowhead is under the shaft and then the two are matched.  the person using it will probably use eyeball tracking to select the arrowhead he needs and the system, knowing which arrowheads are in which position in the cylinder (and which have already been used), selects the correct position.
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