[rmjrjej5]

wanting to learn a new power or upgade one i have   how long does this take?

[firebug]

I don't believe you learn powers separately from gaining Power Points.  Whatever process gave your PP (increasing your MAG or Initiating, I'd assume) should be all the time needed.

[rmjrjej5]

so how long does it take to innitiate? and what other requirements are there

[Marcus]

its in the core the in magic section, under initiation i think. It's just karma and making a roll. it's not very complex or time consuming.

[Kiirnodel]

If by "not very complex or time consuming" you mean that initiation is a serious process that requires a great deal of mental and spiritual preparation, rituals, and study, then yeah, sure.

In actuality, Initiation is a very intense and extensive process. However, it is very different from tradition to tradition, and even differs slightly based on the individual and how they work their magic. It requires a certain amount of self-reflection and study to increase your own magical potential.

As a baseline, the rules have you roll an Arcana+Intuition Extended Test, which requires a number of hits equal to the grade you are trying to achieve and the interval is measured in months. From there, what you are doing during that time is up to you and your GM. But you are likely spending much of that time working specifically on that initiation.

[Rosa]

The problem with using only the test as a measure in my opinion is that it doesn't take what you've done between initiations into consideration. In my group we do that. We still use the test as a basis but every magic related skill improvement will count towards your successes in the test. So for example if you've raised your summoning skill by one, your magical theory skill by one and your knowledge:metaplanes skill by one that will count as 3 successes in the test, with a minimum requirement of one weeks hard study and preparations for the initiation itself. This is a houserule of course and fits well with how we handle time in the campaign, so it might not fit all games.

[Marcus]

If by "not very complex or time consuming" you mean that initiation is a serious process that requires a great deal of mental and spiritual preparation, rituals, and study, then yeah, sure.

In actuality, Initiation is a very intense and extensive process. However, it is very different from tradition to tradition, and even differs slightly based on the individual and how they work their magic. It requires a certain amount of self-reflection and study to increase your own magical potential.

As a baseline, the rules have you roll an Arcana+Intuition Extended Test, which requires a number of hits equal to the grade you are trying to achieve and the interval is measured in months. From there, what you are doing during that time is up to you and your GM. But you are likely spending much of that time working specifically on that initiation.

Yeah extra success reduce time iirc, so for first one, odds are it's int vs 1. Add some edge and odds are it will be pretty fast.

[Kiirnodel]

Some tests (like Availability) reduce time with extra successes, but that is not a rule be default.

It says it right in the description that initiation is a big deal, if your group wants to make light of it, that's your choice. But making those sorts of things easier is just lending to the magic-bloat that most people complain about.