[hulka]

Decker have Commlink + Cyberdeck to access to Matrix. His Cyberdeck is connected via Datajack. (p.171 CRB. The datajack was implanted directly into a user’s head, acting as a port for a cable that would connect a computer to the metahuman brain.) And provide DNI.
Smart decker used Cyberjack (p.176) There is nothing written about being like a commlink and giving access to the matrix. It only gives better values and response.
So, I have Commlink+Cyberdeck+Datajack. This combination gives me a certain number of programs.
Baby Monitor is Legal Program and Check OS is illegal action.
With Baby Monitor I still have an overview and do not have to do anything illegal?

In the examples In Matrix section, Dady use BM and son hacking. How the Dady monitor sons OS? Its sons commlink and dady look at screen for checking OS? Or use his own commlink? With this, How can someone else's actions be seen? Or it's completely different?

[skalchemist]

There is nothing written about being like a commlink and giving access to the matrix. It only gives better values and response.

I was just talking with a friend about this yesterday!  I agree with you that it is unclear, however I think the rules seem to fall on the side that a commlink is not necessary if you have a cyberdeck.  That is:

commlink --> cyberdeck
datajack --> cyberjack

in terms of decker "upgrade". I base this on the fact that in two key places the phrase "commlink or deck" is used.  One is on page 176 under Dumpshock/Linklock, and the other is on page 178 under Running Silent. 

Its definitely unclear, in my opinion, but the above was our interpretation. 

To be clear, I think a decker still probably needs a commlink, but that would be for at least some of the other features a commlink provides, e.g. (pg 267)...

telephone, vidphone, text,
music players, micro trid-projectors, touchscreen
displays, high-resolution video and still-image
cameras, image/text and RFID tag scanners, built-
in GPS guidance systems, chip players, credstick
readers, retractable earbuds, voice access, and text-
to-speech and speech-to-text technologies.

Its really not clear which, if any, of those things a cyberdeck provides beyond just connecting to the Matrix.

Also, I acknowledge this is not directly on-topic to your question, so sorry to derail, but it seems important to your question.

[Banshee]

There is no need or benefits for combining a commlink with a cyberjack ... the only reason a decker that had a cyberjack would own a commlink is for it's common everyday legal uses like making calls etc

As for the baby monitor question based on the example in the book .. I don't know, I didn't write the example. Baby monitor is meant to give you a OS tally without spending action to check it. My take on the example, andcwould fit just fine into the rules I wrote is that son gave dad permission and access to monitor his commlink.

[skalchemist]

There is no need or benefits for combining a commlink with a cyberjack ... the only reason a decker that had a cyberjack would own a commlink is for it's common everyday legal uses like making calls etc

Just to be clear, Banshee, you are saying its actually the cyberJACK that replaces the commlink, not the cyberdeck?  In other words, my previously mentioned upgrade scheme...

commlink >>> cyberdeck
datajack >>> cyberjack

is not correct?

Edit: come to think of it, since the cyberjack provides d/f stats, I guess that being the replacement for the commlink makes sense, with the cyberdeck being a totally new thing.  that is...

commlink + datajack >>> cyberjack

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

In the examples In Matrix section, Dady use BM and son hacking. How the Dady monitor sons OS? Its sons commlink and dady look at screen for checking OS? Or use his own commlink? With this, How can someone else's actions be seen? Or it's completely different?

There are no mechanics for checking someone else's Overwatch Score.  So, given that the example has Daddy Decker checking Baby Decker's OS...

1) Maybe the example is simply wrong. Fiction > crunch.

2) Maybe Daddy Decker built his own Host for Baby Decker to cut his teeth on, and as the "legit" Spider of that hypothetical Host he has all sorts of powers that the rules regarding Hackers don't cover.

3) Matrix Perception allows "Additional information based on what the gamemaster wishes to reveal." (see pg. 183, SR6W).  There's total GM fiat powers here: presumably Daddy Decker was sufficiently familiar with Baby Decker's equipment that checking his OS was feasible, if there were enough hits. Which were presumably scored without being discussed in the example.


I like #3 best.

[Banshee]

There is no need or benefits for combining a commlink with a cyberjack ... the only reason a decker that had a cyberjack would own a commlink is for it's common everyday legal uses like making calls etc

Just to be clear, Banshee, you are saying its actually the cyberJACK that replaces the commlink, not the cyberdeck?  In other words, my previously mentioned upgrade scheme...

commlink >>> cyberdeck
datajack >>> cyberjack

is not correct?

Edit: come to think of it, since the cyberjack provides d/f stats, I guess that being the replacement for the commlink makes sense, with the cyberdeck being a totally new thing.  that is...

commlink + datajack >>> cyberjack

Yes

[Typhus]

Best suggestion I have on the example is that if they were linked in a PAN, presumably daddy could monitor the data feed from the son if the son was sharing it.  Also, if he has admin access on the deck (which seems a reasonable assumption), he could take Matrix actions and run programs on it as well.

This brings up a new question,which in all my years of SR has never surfaced before: Any reason two deckers couldn't use the same deck and each take actions on the same turn using the same deck and programs? 

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

Previous editions, iirc, did specify that a device can only feed one persona at a time (with the AI rules in 5e Data Trails being an exception).

I don't recall if 6we devoted any word count to perpetuating that rule.

[Typhus]

Can only accept feeds or can only send feeds?  Or both?

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

a commlink/cyberdeck/rcc could only form one persona icon at a time (again, excepting the case of an AI inhabiting your commlink).

[Dunedon]

In the examples In Matrix section, Dady use BM and son hacking. How the Dady monitor sons OS? Its sons commlink and dady look at screen for checking OS? Or use his own commlink? With this, How can someone else's actions be seen? Or it's completely different?

There are no mechanics for checking someone else's Overwatch Score.  So, given that the example has Daddy Decker checking Baby Decker's OS...

1) Maybe the example is simply wrong. Fiction > crunch.

This is Slamm-o and Jack we’re talking about ... Slamm-o is well above the professional decker you could make, he can likely write a program to do anything in the matrix he wants (even generate toaster love porn about his technomancer wife).