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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by Stainless Steel Devil Rat on Today at 19:13:49 »
wait what?
Are you saying that you are allowed to attack more than one target in one major action if you use one single weapon set to single shot mode...?

If you spend the multiple attacks minor action in addition to the major action to make the attack.. yes, that's what I'm saying.  Again, bursts are a different thing where you don't use multiple attacks with them.

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That doesn't make sense. Why would you ever use (pre Seattle) Full Auto in that case?? ;-)

pre wave 3/seattle edition errata, multiple attacks and anticipation and firing modes were all written in such a way that the only way to rationalize their use together was the way SRM did.  Full auto (pre Seattle) was virtually never worth using.  That's why we were allowed to rewrite it to use another mechanic that's already used elsewhere: indirect combat area spells.
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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by Xenon on Today at 17:47:06 »
wait what?
Are you saying that you are allowed to attack more than one target in one major action if you use one single weapon set to single shot mode...?

That doesn't make sense. Why would you ever use (pre Seattle) Full Auto in that case?? ;-)
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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by Stainless Steel Devil Rat on Today at 17:37:40 »
The new wording for multiple attacks is intended to only apply to "one weapon, multiple targets".
I assumed that.  Maybe I wasn't clear, I was asking what are the RAI for making multiple attacks with a firearm, and what are the rules that support this? 
Can I make multiple SS attacks against multiple opponents if I have enough ammo in my mag
Can I make multiple SA attacks given the same situation
Can I make multiple BF narrow attacks
Multiple BF wide attacks
Multiple FA attacks

And if "(These firing modes) do not require use of Multiple Attacks",  when is Multiple Attacks used with Firearms?

The RAI on the errata is that you can combine the multiple attacks action with "non firing mode" attacks... which would also be another way of saying SS attacks.   Yes you are supposed to be able to spend a multiple attacks minor action to go BLAM BLAM at two different targets*, but if you do it's at the unmodified, base AR and DR (and of course with diminished dice pools, unless you anticipate).

*Edit: Maybe, and only ever with complete GM permission, you go BLAM and send one bullet through two targets where one is standing directly behind the other... if the GM lets you attempt this that should require the multiple attacks action.  In the immortal words of Deadpool when addressing more NPCs than he has bullets: "Some of you are going to have to share..."
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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by MercilessMing on Today at 17:22:02 »
Can I make multiple SS attacks against multiple opponents if I have enough ammo in my mag
No. With each Major action you only press the trigger once and you only fire one bullet. You can not hit multiple targets with one weapon in single shot mode.
So, what is the rule that supports the idea that each major action is one trigger pull, instead of each attack being one trigger pull?
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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by Xenon on Today at 17:05:15 »
Can I make multiple SS attacks against multiple opponents if I have enough ammo in my mag
No. With each Major action you only press the trigger once and you only fire one bullet. You can not hit multiple targets with one weapon in single shot mode.


Can I make multiple SA attacks given the same situation
No. With each Major action you "double tap" your weapon, both bullets will hit the same target. You can not hit multiple targets with one weapon in semi automatic mode.

Same reasoning with the others. With one major action you can fire a burst fire weapon just once. Either you focus the burst of 4 bullets against one single target (narrow burst) or you spray the burst of 4 bullets against max two enemies (that are 'positioned' well enough to be hit by this wide burst - book doesn't give specifics but perhaps they are within 1 meters of each other with no other targets between them, GM call here).


And if "(These firing modes) do not require use of Multiple Attacks",  when is Multiple Attacks used with Firearms?
When you wield 2 weapons.
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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by Xenon on Today at 16:56:56 »
But if I have the question of whether I can use SS, SA, or BF (narrow) with the Multiple Attacks minor
If you are just wielding one weapon, then no.



Is "ammunition" supposed to refer to the number of bullets fired from my weapon during the attack, and that is the limit to how many attacks I can make with a Multiple Attacks minor? 
Wait, what?

Single Shot = Tap trigger once. One target only. No Multiple Attack.

Semi Automatic = double tap. One target only. No Multiple Attack.
- You can't hit two different targets with this attack.

Burst Fire = tapping the trigger once and out flies 4 bullets. Either you hit one target (narrow burst) or you spray two targets that stand close enough to be hit by the burst (wide burst, but does not cost a multiple attacks minor action)
- You can't hit four different targets with this attack.
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Rules and such / Re: Two Weapon Fighting in CRB-SE
« Last post by MercilessMing on Today at 16:54:17 »
The new wording for multiple attacks is intended to only apply to "one weapon, multiple targets".
I assumed that.  Maybe I wasn't clear, I was asking what are the RAI for making multiple attacks with a firearm, and what are the rules that support this? 
Can I make multiple SS attacks against multiple opponents if I have enough ammo in my mag
Can I make multiple SA attacks given the same situation
Can I make multiple BF narrow attacks
Multiple BF wide attacks
Multiple FA attacks

And if "(These firing modes) do not require use of Multiple Attacks",  when is Multiple Attacks used with Firearms?
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So, any comments on S-K? Would like if my writing in contrast to Market Panic improved or not.
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I shared your post with the CDT channel, if anyone picked it up they should be able to contact you.
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I left my white folder with my game sheet at GenCon 2021 on Saturday night from the Shadowrun Tournament.  I was on the 4Runners.  If someone found it and has the game sheets from this year, let me know.  I had my character name of Brion Helsing in it.  I would just ask if you can scan it for me to keep me legit ;) Thanks!  I appreciate it.

Nevermind, I found it.  It fell out of the car.  Sorry to trouble everyone!

Thanks to all the GM's and the staff supporting them at GenCon.  It was a blast.  You all Rock!!!
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