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Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: bobo69 on <09-11-10/0048:55>
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The war zones or potential war zones of the 6th world as of 207something:
Africa: Angola/Azania border(Namibia)(Border clashes, military standoff). Kingdoms of Nigeria(who knows, kingdoms rise and fall frequently, border clashes to outright wars). Liberia(currently experiencing a civil war).
Asia: South China sea/Spratlys(potential naval war between Canton vs. Empire of Japan. ). Central China(border clashes between Canton vs. Henan/Sichuan/Guangxi). Israel/Jordan/Syria(Last I read in Shadows of Asia, the Israelis did an airstrike on the Jordanians). Indian/Pakistan(well the tensions are still there and both sides still hate each other). Thailand/Cambodia/Vietnam(well according to Shadows of Asia, the Garuda(Thailand) and Naga(Cambodia) hate each other and Vietnam politically controls Cambodia and does not want its grip on it to slip(Naga takeover).
Europe: The Balkans(Former Yugoslavia)(well perpetually in a genocidal civil war). Tir Na Nog(guerilla war between the Elven court and the IRA and the Unseelie court.
North America: CAS/Pueblo council vs. Aztlan(well border tensions, Aztlan is not a good neighbour), TsimTsimhan(well there is a guerilla war against the Salish Sidhe).
South America: Amazonia vs. Aztlan.
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Somalia finally found some peace? Hard to believe...
Also, there's Madagascar. Pirate haven.
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Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea: Oh yeah forgot, someone is uniting all the warring factions here into a Sheba empire.
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Are you counting Desert Wars and spin-offs/imitators?
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Probably the same for feral zones such as Chicago, Lagos, GEMITO etc. except that moving Mongol city.
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There is always some private little war going on somewhere. Why else would they needs mercs and runners? 8)
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True but the sixth world hasn't had a real war since the Euro wars/Islamic Jihad....before the Amazon-Aztlan war that is. (the Yucantan was a counterinsurgency operation btw, not a real war between two nations).
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How do you classify that little American dust-up in the mid 2060's then?
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Good question on that, you mean the intervention of the Salish Sidhe(and allies) on TsimTsimhan.
Actually, TsimTsimhan was in the throes of a civil war with the main government collapsed, so there is no formal gov. to declare war on. The Salish Sidhe just walked in and overran the place.
So technically its was a police action intervention/peacekeeping.
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In early May 2062, Tsimshian troops entered Salish-Shidhe territory. They reached the area of Okanagan Lake and Kelowna. After the battle of Revelstoke, the Salish-Shidhe pushed them back over their border. That's when a biological weapon killed one thousands Salish soldiers/several thousands soldiers and civilians (depending on the source). A cease-fire started after, lasting until 2064. MCT military advisors and troops packed off the week before the crash. When one of the Winternight EMP bomb exploded over Kitimat, the Tsimshian government blamed the Salish-Shidhe and launched a new attack.
That's when the Haide National Front overthrew the Tsimshian government. Then the Sovereign Tribal Council decided to send a military force to Tsimshian. But the Sioux were leading the show, not the Salish-Shidhe.
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Yep then its a war then.
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So is there anybody Aztlan hasn't gone to war with yet?
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So is there anybody Aztlan hasn't gone to war with yet?
Antartica. But, they have time...
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So is there anybody Aztlan hasn't gone to war with yet?
Antartica. But, they have time...
Aztlan - the "sovereign nation" - has not been at war with Amazonia (ever!), CAS or Pueblo.
According to the Tir Tairngire book, I quote:
" . . . the other nations of North America recognized the elven nation's
sovereignty, with the single exception of Aztlan . Though Aztlan
never recognized Tir Tairngire even to the extent of rejecting its
claim . historical evidence suggests that the Central American
nation immediately mounted a covert effort aimed at undermining
the Tir's new government by attempting to infiltrate agents
provocateurs to foment rebellion within the fledgling nation .
Surehand and his new government never revealed to the world
Aztlan's attempts at destabilization, and Aztlan eventually abandoned
their efforts . The government of Aztlan still refuses to
officially recognize TirTairngire as a sovereign nation, commonly
referring to it as "the elven settlements" when forced to acknowledge
its existence .
»»>[Several top secret internal and diplomatic papers "leaked"
from Aztlan indicate that the government there views Tir Tairngire
(and Tir Nan Og) as an "unfriendly power ." Both nations received
this status almost immediately upon their founding . Other nations
with this distinction include Amazonia . The connection? All are
Awakened nations ruled by metahumans or led bystrong metahuman
power blocs . While Aztlan's internal policies toward metahumans
are not the most progressive, they certainly treat them no worse than
other nations . Why do they insist on making an apparently meaningless
distinction? No one who knows is saying.]««<
-World View (18 :09 :48/3-15-54)" <end quote>
Copyright c' 1993 FASA Corporation . All Rights Reserved .
I hope I'm not going to get in trouble for this.
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As for Aztlan, with neighbours like that who needs enemies... ;D
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Also with Aztlan causing worldwide tensions, one day its going to get squashed....
Aztlans' enemies: Amazonia, CAS, the two Tirs, Pueblo council, probably the NAN states too, Congo Tribal council. Carrabean League.
Its friends: Henan commie state, Vietnam, France(Aztlan owns Dassault and some French corps), Canton confederation(through Wu Xing).
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Aztlan - the "sovereign nation" - has not been at war with Amazonia (ever!), CAS or Pueblo.
Pueblo, yes.
Aztlan Sourcebook, page 39-41
In 2035, Aztlan took its first steps to reclaim that land to the north that rightfully belonged to its people. The preceding year, the self-styled Confederated American States had seceded from the UCAS. [...] Aztlaner forces moved northward, driving deep into the heart of Texas. [...] The next year, an Aztlaner light-armored division moved north from staging areas near Ensenada to liberate (sic) the city of San Diego-again, territory that rightfully belonged to the Aztlan nation. [...] The following year, the terrorist nation of Amazonia moved forces north and annexed much of Colombia and Venezuela. Both of these sovereign states called on Aztlan to help them combat the invasion. Unfortunately, the Amazonian terrorists had already captured all of Venezuela, save for the city-state of Caracas, by the time our forces could mobilize. Aztlaner troops were able to defend approximately half of Colombia from the incursion, however, in a highly successful holding action. A counterattack in 2050 managed to reclaim at least a small portion of Venezuelan territory from the invaders, but the Aztlaner military deemed the full liberation of the entire country impossible.
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Not to mention, a lot of Texans in the CAS will tell you they are at war with Aztlan.
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Oh yeah more Aztlan allies & enemies:
Allies: Argentina, allies of convenience: Japan, Peru. Corporate court(more or less), Wu Xing
Enemies: Ares , Horizon, Omnitech
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Aztlan - the "sovereign nation" - has not been at war with Amazonia (ever!), CAS or Pueblo.
Pueblo, yes.
Aztlan Sourcebook, page 39-41
In 2035, Aztlan took its first steps to reclaim that land to the north that rightfully belonged to its people. The preceding year, the self-styled Confederated American States had seceded from the UCAS. [...] Aztlaner forces moved northward, driving deep into the heart of Texas. [...] The next year, an Aztlaner light-armored division moved north from staging areas near Ensenada to liberate (sic) the city of San Diego-again, territory that rightfully belonged to the Aztlan nation. [...] The following year, the terrorist nation of Amazonia moved forces north and annexed much of Colombia and Venezuela. Both of these sovereign states called on Aztlan to help them combat the invasion. Unfortunately, the Amazonian terrorists had already captured all of Venezuela, save for the city-state of Caracas, by the time our forces could mobilize. Aztlaner troops were able to defend approximately half of Colombia from the incursion, however, in a highly successful holding action. A counterattack in 2050 managed to reclaim at least a small portion of Venezuelan territory from the invaders, but the Aztlaner military deemed the full liberation of the entire country impossible.
No state of war was ever declared while the shooting was going on. I should have said that.
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No state of war was ever declared while the shooting was going on. I should have said that.
Yes, and Vietnam wasn't a war, it was just a Congress-approved military engagement.
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Vietnam war....you mean a police action!!!!
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Also with Aztlan causing worldwide tensions, one day its going to get squashed....
Aztlans' enemies: Amazonia, CAS, the two Tirs, Pueblo council, probably the NAN states too, Congo Tribal council. Carrabean League.
Its friends: Henan commie state, Vietnam, France(Aztlan owns Dassault and some French corps), Canton confederation(through Wu Xing).
A French involvement could initiate a chess game on its own. So far, Amazonia did not try to take over French Guiana like it did with neighboring Suriname and Guyana. According to Wake of the Comet, they thought it did not worth going at war with European powers. On the corporate side, Saeder-Krupp, Proteus and Neonet have launchpads and space related assets in the area. And thus you'd get a third level of game involving Lofwyr, Celedyr, Hualpa and Sirrurg.
While talking about the space industry, add Buttercup-owned company Shibata C&E maintains Aztechnology main space station, The Spindle.
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I can see a few things that can go wrong in the current Amazonia-Aztlan war:
1. There are hints the Azzies are using those magical produced carnivarous trees to bolster their defenses in Caracas. There is also a chance that these things get out of hand and start spreading beyond the war area.This could prompt Corporate court intervention(how about a orbital mass driver on the area).
2. The CAS(or any Aztlan enemy) takes advantage of the war to attack the Azzies..Texas anyone...anyways the CAS will probably wait until the Azzies are fully commited and suitably weakened.
May be dissuaded by Corporate court threats but I think Ares will fight for it in the corporate court. Maybe Horizon or even Saeder Krupp.
3. Both sides call on their secret magical weapons(or technological) and this goes out of control and spreads beyond the war area.....and the fun begins...
4. Amazonian allied terrorist groups hit Aztechnology assets all over the world. Disrupts the net and world trade....this will certainly bring the Corporate court into play.
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Don't forget Asamando. If someone doesn't declare war against the ghouls then there is something wrong.
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Just because you can't understand the pain and humiliation of being a ghoul doesn't give you the right to deny them the cho--
OW! IT BIT ME! SHOOT IT! SHOOT THE FRAGGIN' FREAK!!
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Just because you can't understand the pain and humiliation of being a ghoul doesn't give you the right to deny them the cho--
OW! IT BIT ME! SHOOT IT! SHOOT THE FRAGGIN' FREAK!!
Hehehe, it's not about the ghouls being 'bad'. It's about the surrounding countries blaming (rightly or not) every missing persons report on the country of maneaters right next door.
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I've always wanted to go on safari there. Some giant elephant-drone with a nice air conditioned howdah on its back, lumbering through Asamodo, shootin' at anything that twitches. *sighs wistfully* It's the "tropical island" retirement fantasy several of my characters have been working towards.
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Unfortunately the Ghouls and vampires there are armed with state of the art weaponry courtesy of Saeder Krupp.
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I've always wanted to go on safari there. Some giant elephant-drone with a nice air conditioned howdah on its back, lumbering through Asamodo, shootin' at anything that twitches. *sighs wistfully* It's the "tropical island" retirement fantasy several of my characters have been working towards.
The ghouls and vampires "safari" for a living and you're coming into their backyard on a nice big elephant-sized dinner cart.
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I'd modify the plan and go in on a copter, shooting off the skid. Not as cool, but it is in it's own way. Plus it's harder to reach you.
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So what if the ghouls and vamps have anti air missles?
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I'll take my chances, with their reduced sense sight and probable lack of targeting and programming skills I think I'll be fine.
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Not to mention, a lot of Texans in the CAS will tell you they are at war with Aztlan.
I was thinking about having a game where a Mr. Johnson from Texas hired some runners to hit a bunch of Azzie assets in Seattle. Then have it turn out he was doing it with out the consent of his corporate bosses.