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Catalyst Game Labs => Catalyst's Shadowrun Products => Topic started by: AJCarrington on <01-31-18/1235:43>
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Pinged Jason earlier this week and he passed along some info:
Upcoming Releases
Dark Terrors - print release upcoming
SR5 Core Rulebook - reprint w/ errata (hardcover)
Toxic Alleys - stand alone adventure that has loose ties to the Denver adventures and Dark Terrors (to help bring some chaos to DeeCee)
Pipeline
Street Lethal (advanced combat book): more weapons, including some future tech, info on corp security and unconventional fighting forces, and new maneuvers for tactical combat
Kill Code (advanced Matrix book: all the stuff slated for the technomancer ebook--complex forms, streams, alternate TM builds, and more--as well as decker gear and qualities, a guide to running the Matrix, and other useful stuff for Matrix-based shadowrunning
Better than Bad ("hooding" book): focused on how to run with a conscience, and provide info on Pretoria in Azania
I also asked him re the potential for elf / dwarf books, but nothing approved or in process, at the moment.
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Wow, finally something for TMs has a title at least. Here's hoping it actually gives most of the book to TMs and doesn't reveal that "all the stuff slated" ends up being "well they only got around to a few things scrawled on a napkin". Any word on if it will include Paragons?
I'm excited for Street Lethal though, it sounds like it could have a lot of fun junk in it. And Better Than Bad is probably gonna be the kind of thing that inspires me to want to start an entirely new campaign.
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Indeed!
I'm also happy to see another print run of the core rulebook, especially given that it will have the errata Patrick and team have been working on for some time now. Jason also indicated that there will be variant covers that they'd be sharing with us at some point...always like to see new pictures. ;D
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Thanks AJCarrington for this update! It's awesome to have some visibility on the coming books :)
And thanks for the info on the elf/dwarf book. I had understood, it was a "done deal", so it's good to know, it is only planned for now. But if it does happen and it is as good as the Complete Trog, it will be great!
(PS: If you happen to have any update on the Shadows of Morrocco & 10 AI books that has been announced for a quite while, that'll be nice to have too :) ).
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I think those two are just dead in the water.
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I’ve not heard anything about them (or other e-releases, for that matter), but will let you know if/when I do.
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Any chance we'll see HV weapon rules or cyber zombies in street lethal?
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Shadows of Morocco is the next ebook scheduled to be out. That being said, no ETA.
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Thanks for the update!
@Prime Mover - not sure, will see what I can find out
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Thanks AJCarrington for this update! It's awesome to have some visibility on the coming books :)
And thanks for the info on the elf/dwarf book. I had understood, it was a "done deal", so it's good to know, it is only planned for now. But if it does happen and it is as good as the Complete Trog, it will be great!
(PS: If you happen to have any update on the Shadows of Morrocco & 10 AI books that has been announced for a quite while, that'll be nice to have too :) ).
10 AIs was finished a few years back, but was held off for timing reasons. Then we got a new edition, so the rules had to be redone. In holding again.HOPEfully, I'll be able to update it with KillCode as a shoulder-rubbing release. Lots of plotlines tied up in that lil' book. Mind you, I need to go update it again sometime, to take Things into account...
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I feel like Charlie Brown kicking the football, waiting for the TM book. :)
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c8409669e51f412dc9658f45e9bdfcd8/tenor.gif)
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Spot on reference +1
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Sadly, Charlie Brown is more likely to actually kick that ball than we are to get the rewrite TMs need. At this rate, it'll probably be a chapter that is 75% fluff and has two new echoes and a handful of complex forms that do nothing to address the painfully obvious major structural problems facing TMs since they decided to get nostalgic with the Matrix.
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While I don't have any insider info on the changes/updates for TMs, it is quite likely that the people doing the writing behind the are aware of the issues and will be trying to address.
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While I don't have any insider info on the changes/updates for TMs, it is quite likely that the people doing the writing behind the are aware of the issues and will be trying to address.
Nope. Sorry. They've been living in a cave. On Mars. With their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears.
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One problem this edition has had since its beginning is the difference of vision between those with power and the fans and in some cases writers. Longtime fans would say the company is not loyal to the history and fluff any longer and will discard anything that doesn’t support the company’s vision.
But I guess that’s an issue every long running franchise faces. Any time a series is rebooted, a spin off is created, or a remake is produced the longtime fans make their appearance known.
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One problem this edition has had since its beginning is the difference of vision between those with power and the fans and in some cases writers. Longtime fans would say the company is not loyal to the history and fluff any longer and will discard anything that doesn’t support the company’s vision.
Could you elaborate on that, please? What parts do you feel they abandoned?
Admittedly, I'm fairly new around SR (started playing it and reading the books a bit over a year), but I somewhat got acquainted with 3e and 5e side-by-side. 3e, because that was what we played and 5e, because I wanted to know the latest version and because of the possibility of a latter switch to that. To be fair, I feel 5e is quite in-line with 3e, aside from the obvious things, like the Matrix, but that's okay. I don't feel it's being unfaithful to the setting and story, at this point, based on the books I read this far. Honestly, I like it, too much recent editions of old rpgs indeed abandoned the feel of the original settings, I don't feel 5e is one of them. I won't call it nostalgia, since, I'm new to it, i just like that style better.
However, due to the above reasons, I totally skipped 4e, so there's that. It could influence my kinda lack of ire regarding technomancers, for example.
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Technomancers have struggled from the release of 5th edition due to a number of problems. In 4th edition, they had a few features that made them broken-- The way the matrix worked at the time meant that any device slaved to a technomancer's "bionode" was literally unhackable by anything other than a technomancer. So in 5th edition, they nerfed the hell out of them (despite the fact that the very changes they made to the matrix in general fixed all the problems with technomancers already!) resulting in an archetype that was incredibly resource-heavy in character creation, and couldn't fill the same role that deckers could (as the matrix was designed with deckers in mind, and TMs were added as a damn afterthought because they existed already).
To show what I mean when I say "resource heavy", think of the Priority System.
A decker needs a lot of money, high LOG, moderate INT, and a decent number of skills.
A technomancer needs less money, but can't dump money the way that a decker can dump MAG/RES because they still need gear like every runner does. But the TM does need to invest in MAG/RES as well.
A technomancer also needs more attributes. In addition to LOG for skills, a TM's mental attributes become their limits on the matrix. Attack and Sleaze are the most important and most often-used limits, so CHA and INT need to be high. WIL is firewall, your defense attribute, in addition to being one of the two attributes used to resist Fading, and thus can't be skimped on either. Not to mention, a TM will take a lot more Stun then a decker.
Skill-wise, the TM needs just as many skills as the decker, and then needs even more for Compiling, Registering, and/or Decompiling.
So this is all a much bigger investment and it's a lot harder to balance, but if they're just as good it's no big deal. But... The matrix was designed around deckers. Deckers have higher dice pools than TMs because they are able to use augmentation to boost their LOG (and have more attribute points to spare). As well, many cyberprograms a decker can get for the piddly cost of 250¥ are required to do basic matrix things like cause biofeedback damage. A TM cannot do those things unless they spend 13+ karma, which is an absolutely massive amount for such an incredibly cheap item. Then you consider that TMs cannot slave any devices to their Living Persona, and so can't protect their gear (or their team's gear) as well. Then you factor in that a TM takes Stun damage whenever they would take Matrix damage. This means not only do they fall unconscious instead of being bricked, but it means matrix combat will cause Wound Penalties (which doesn't happen through a cyberdeck) making them even worse at it. Finally, because a TM doesn't have the money and wants to avoid lowering their Essence, they can't use augmentation to help them fill non-matrix rolls, have no way to boost their Initiative outside of drugs, and are generally worthless in a fight. Unless you wanna spend even more of your precious skillpoints and little money on drones.
And this is all for... What? Complex Forms? They are all mediocre, and until errata, had hideously high Fading values that basically killed you if you wanted to accomplish anything with them. Sprites are likewise underwhelming, as their dice pools are often even lower than the TM's. A chargen decker will usually have 12 in most skills, and 14+ in the ones they use a lot. A F6 Sprite will have 12 in its skills and can usually only use 2 or 3 of them. They blow through Tasks quickly and so cannot be relied upon for most extended hacking, and the marks a Sprite gets are not shared with the TM, meaning they can't help you get into hosts or download files.
It sucks.
It's been years, and technomancers have gained almost nothing in the books that have come out. Data Trails promised to fix the issues with TMs, and instead offered about 4 pages of awful Complex Forms and even worse Echoes that hardly added anything worthwhile, let alone fix any of their existing problems. The book then continued to ravish deckers with new toys and mechanics, and an entirely new system that... Oh! It needs you to have a certain cyberprogram to do any of it! Meaning 250¥ for deckers, and 13+ karma for TMs.
Someone came on to the forums and said she was going to begin working on the supplemental book that TMs needed, to include fixes and all the material from 4th edition that was just never included in 5th edition (like the Technomancer-equivalent of Mentor Spirits). She made the first post, and then never posted again, and said almost nothing for years save for a twitter post about how she somehow misunderstood a coworker's joke so badly that she genuinely thought she'd been fired on the spot.
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Could you elaborate on that, please? What parts do you feel they abandoned?
I came into SR around the same time as SR2 kicked off, played through SR3 and left because SR4 changed the rule set completely, only to return with SR5 and loving it.
One example of disagreement in vision is the Shapeshifters. All of a sudden they lost regeneration and allergies although they have had that since SR2.
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Pretty much what I figured ;)
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While I don't have any insider info on the changes/updates for TMs, it is quite likely that the people doing the writing behind the are aware of the issues and will be trying to address.
Oh, there are enough writers on the forums here and we've been bitching loud enough that I'm sure they are aware of the issues. Whether they'll be given the word count and latitude to actually FIX those issues, especially since some of them would basically require a full rewrite of TMs in general? This I'm not so confident of.
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And to add insult to in injury, there a numerous spells out there (as if that archetype wasn´t powerfull enough!) with effects that scream "KOMPLEX FORM" at your face, like analyze device, vehicle mask, pulse...
I mean, every other book offered a couple of spells, adept powers, augmentations, gear... Would it have been such a hazzle to add a few Echoes or Complex Forms as well, especially for the more espionage-centred supplements? Anyway, I´m giving you the benefit of the doubt that something good might come out of this.
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Oh, there are enough writers on the forums here and we've been bitching loud enough that I'm sure they are aware of the issues. Whether they'll be given the word count and latitude to actually FIX those issues, especially since some of them would basically require a full rewrite of TMs in general? This I'm not so confident of.
Fair points; I choose to be more optimistic ;D
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Oh, there are enough writers on the forums here and we've been bitching loud enough that I'm sure they are aware of the issues. Whether they'll be given the word count and latitude to actually FIX those issues, especially since some of them would basically require a full rewrite of TMs in general? This I'm not so confident of.
Fair points; I choose to be more optimistic ;D
You're a good man, Charley Brown. I think Lucy has the football ready for you.
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We’ll just have to wait and see. 8)
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I hope all the examples will be fixed too before the reprint.
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I would think so...plan is to capture all the errata and such for the reprint.
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I hope they got to the matrix behind closed doors, by raw, the matrix should not even work at all.
"If there is a Noise Rating from a situation that is greater than the item’s Device Rating, not including distance, the item temporarily loses its wireless functionality" 421p
as General appliances falls under DR1, it can't work in the Sprawl downtown,
and i given up on material links being used in place of spotters making a come back.
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I hope they got to the matrix behind closed doors, by raw, the matrix should not even work at all.
"If there is a Noise Rating from a situation that is greater than the item’s Device Rating, not including distance, the item temporarily loses its wireless functionality" 421p
as General appliances falls under DR1, it can't work in the Sprawl downtown,
and i given up on material links being used in place of spotters making a come back.
That's a simple fix. The language just needs to say "If there is a Noise Rating resulting solely from Static greater than the item's Device Rating..." Of course, publishing errata is largely more difficult than just making a post in the forum. They'd probably also have to errata Jammers go from emitting untyped Noise to specifically Static Noise.
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I have noticed that Prime Missions 3 and 4 have still not been published (though PM 5 is already available). Any idea whether they will come out at all?
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I'm in the process of putting together an update...these didn't hit the list, but will ask.
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Put his ear to the ground, (anything new?)
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Yep...should have an update out later today.
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Apologies for the delay in getting this out.
Latest and greatest from the product pipeline:
- New print run of the SR5 core rule book should be hitting stores shortly. CGL has changed printers for this release to help address some of the issues noted with the bindings in previous print runs. As well, this should incorporate the latest and greater Errata. An updated PDF will be released as well.
- Next up is Toxic Alleys ("Black Lodge, bugs, and shedim, oh my"); digital release should be later this month with the print release to follow (this one is being printed in the US).
- Street Lethal (advanced combat book) has been sent to print (overseas). Not sure re the release date, but thinking it will be late Q2.
- E-book wise, the second book in the Morocco series, Casablanca-Rabat, is well under way and should be coming out later this month!
In development:
- Kill Code, the advanced Matrix book, is in layout and coming along nicely. New gear for deckers, new qualities, streams, and more for technomancers, and Matrix guidance and dangers for all!
- Better than Bad (Deep Shadows) will be focused on "hooding", with info about Pretoria in Azania.
- Chicago Chaos (Anarchy supplement) with all sorts of characters, contract briefs, and more for fun in Chicago!
- Novels ongoing work to address some of the "persistent roadblocks", with a summer relaunch "looming"
Looks like we have a pretty solid set of releases over the next several months :)
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I take it you not got any idea when kill code will be out?
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...any idea when the PDF version of Street Lethal will be available? Just checked DrivethruRPG and nothing there yet. Usually the PDF version releases before the dead tree one.
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...any idea when the PDF version of Street Lethal will be available? Just checked DrivethruRPG and nothing there yet. Usually the PDF version releases before the dead tree one.
^^^^^^^
Keep the dead tree version, the pdf is all I desire.
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Thanks for the update AJ :)
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...any idea when the PDF version of Street Lethal will be available? Just checked DrivethruRPG and nothing there yet. Usually the PDF version releases before the dead tree one.
I poked Jason on this a couple of times...couldn't get him to bite ;)
My GUESS is that we should see a digital release sometime in late May...but that could be wishful thinking on my parts as much as anything else.
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...any idea when the PDF version of Street Lethal will be available? Just checked DrivethruRPG and nothing there yet. Usually the PDF version releases before the dead tree one.
I poked Jason on this a couple of times...couldn't get him to bite ;)
My GUESS is that we should see a digital release sometime in late May...but that could be wishful thinking on my parts as much as anything else.
Thanks for Asking AJ, just let Jason know any time ya'll are ready to sell that book, I'm ready and eager to buy it.
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...yes thank you. I purchase the PDFs as for me it is difficult to lug 20 or so Kilos of books around to each session (as I have serious bone & joint arthritis) compared to a lightweight slim notebook. Some people in my missions group say they don't like them but I've been able to get around finding the information I need little trouble. At home I have a display that I can rotate 90° to view an entire page.
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From the blog (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2018/05/new-adventure-core-sr5-rulebook-back-in-print-all-sorts-of-fun-to-be-had/), list up of updates in the new printing of the core rule book can be found here (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SR5-Core-Book-Errata-2018.pdf).
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Woah a post to the main page. How strange.
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Which printing has the new errata? Are we on 5th printing?
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Wait, is this post just announcing the SR5 corebook reprint or is it actually available to be purchased?
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We just received the books in our store and the bingeing looks good. It is the 5th corrected printing.
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http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2018/05/new-adventure-core-sr5-rulebook-back-in-print-all-sorts-of-fun-to-be-had/
...list up of updates in the new printing of the core rule book can be found here (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SR5-Core-Book-Errata-2018.pdf).
Wait... what??
This list does not include the official 4 page SR5 errata changes such as removing Herding and Lockpicking because they are not skills in SR5, correction to auto soft prices, crack file no longer listed as both a sleaze and an attack matrix action etc etc..?
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I suspect that list details the changes since the last printing. Neither Herding or Lockpicking are listed as skills in the Master Index edition (though there do seem to be some references to Lockpicking in the character builds); as well, crack file is listed as an attack action only in the MI.
Haven't see the digital release, so can't really say for certain.
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I suspect that list details the changes since the last printing. Neither Herding or Lockpicking are listed as skills in the Master Index edition (though there do seem to be some references to Lockpicking in the character builds); as well, crack file is listed as an attack action only in the MI.
Haven't see the digital release, so can't really say for certain.
I have the pdf for MI and crack file is an attack
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Just noticed, the German version of Deadly Shadows is already announced for June:
https://pegasusshop.de/?thisoperationid=4&Action-Display-Detailansicht=45064G
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Wondering if this is the German equivalent of Street Lethal?
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Wondering if this is the German equivalent of Street Lethal?
Judging by the blurb describing it as a « combat rulebook », it seems likely.
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Yeah, this is just the German version of the upcoming Street Lethal.
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And it out before we get it from what i hearing..... They are making CGL look bad...
Any one want to bet they get more stuff and it better edited?
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Street Lethal is being printed now (per JH on FB).
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this is the only book i've been excited for in a lonnnng time.
wonder when the PDF will drop on drivethru?
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It might beat the 5th printing Core Rule Book PDF to drivethru. :D
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It might beat the 5th printing Core Rule Book PDF to drivethru. :D
I doubt that, but stranger things have happened... ::)
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Shouldn't the news section of the forum be updated, now that Dark Terrors, Toxic Alleys etc. have been released?
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haha you sweet summer child Lokii ;-)
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That's like asking when will we get an official announcement in that area of the forums about a new release happening. Have we had one in the last 6 releases?
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Shouldn't the news section of the forum be updated, now that Dark Terrors, Toxic Alleys etc. have been released?
Oh bless your heart.
But seriously, the last time they tried to update things, we went through about a year where the forum was down more often than it was up, and when it was up it wasn't working right, and then sometimes they might get it working only to have to roll it back a month or two when something else breaks...
You're better off hoping for an honest politician.
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You are telling me, updating that list will take the forum down? o_O So basically this is the new: http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/products/upcoming-products/
You don't understand: I have default javascript off. So to me it's an actual useful list. Just--if not updated--its usefulness rapidly decreases. I advertised that newsfader on reddit. Oh ghost, have I betrayed the trust of my upvoters?
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As others have alluded to, CGL is not the most...proactive...when it comes to announcing upcoming products/releases.
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Frankly, I was under the impression you would be able to update the newsfader. That's why I asked here. Insidious nudging. ;) Guess I was mistaken.
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The forum works and everything seems to look good release wise, I for one am grateful for that.
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According to Jason on the facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/shadowruntabletopgame/posts/10156443874024591), something big will be announced tomorrow.
Big Shadowrun news coming tomorrow! Be ready to be excited!
And before anyone asks: No, it's not a new edition of the RPG. jmh
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Are the new printings of the core book actually available? Do we have a street date? I've been looking online but everybody appears to just be selling the original printing with the original cover art. I can't tell if there's a digital version of the new printing exists, yet, either.
Finding Shadowrun books in FLGS around here is like finding hen's teeth and before I ask if the new editions can be ordered in, I'd like to be sure it's actually available.
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I own a store in Central IL, We have the new printing on our shelf. They are available.
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I own a store in Central IL, We have the new printing on our shelf. They are available.
You're the best. Thanks.
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Just looking through the comments to the 'big announcement tomorrow' post, I found the following from JMH:
As it turns out, that should be going to press this week, but that's not the announcement! jmh
(where "that" = "the new matrix splat book")
That’s not the announcement, but look for e-release of Street Lethal soon! Origins attendees might be able to pick up physical copies … jmh
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For those who didn’t see the post in the main board, CGL has launched a KS campaign for Sprawl Ops (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame?ref=discovery&term=catalyst)
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I think a lot of people are waiting on the kill code news
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I know I am, but nothing more to share at this time.
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Well Street Lethal is out and i hear it gotten worse in editing
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Quuck question. Is run and gun out of print permanently or will it come back in print? I cant seem to find a dead tree version anywhere.
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Not sure, though I suspect it will be reprinted. I’ll ask.
Aside, Jason was interviewed at Origins and a couple of tidbits:
- Kill Code has been sent to printers...expect copies on hand for GenCon
- No Future is in development/being written. Sounds like it will be focusing on street culture/society...a new version if Attitude.
Video here:
http://gamer-goggles.com/blog/origins-game-fair-2018-event-coverage-3-jason-hardy-talks-shadowrun-13358/ (http://gamer-goggles.com/blog/origins-game-fair-2018-event-coverage-3-jason-hardy-talks-shadowrun-13358/)
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Looks like Street Lethal beat the 5th printing. :D
It might beat the 5th printing Core Rule Book PDF to drivethru. :D
I doubt that, but stranger things have happened... ::)
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- No Future is in development/being written. Sounds like it will be focusing on street culture/society...a new version if Attitude.
Or ...
;)
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- No Future is in development/being written. Sounds like it will be focusing on street culture/society...a new version if Attitude.
Or ...
;)
Something akin to a new version of the Sprawl Survival Guide? With maybe a focus on the punk aspect of cyberpunk? :)
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- No Future is in development/being written. Sounds like it will be focusing on street culture/society...a new version if Attitude.
Or ...
;)
Something akin to a new version of the Sprawl Survival Guide? With maybe a focus on the punk aspect of cyberpunk? :)
This sounds quite intriguing ;D
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This sounds quite intriguing ;D
Keep in mind there's a fair chance my guess is utterly wrong ^^
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Still sounds intriguing ;D
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I was under the impression that No Future is going to be the new Shadowbeat book.
If I understood an interview I saw of Jason Hardy at Origins correctly.
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Are we going to see Kill Code release at GenCon? Or possibly before... Or....???? Patience is not a virtue...
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With maybe a focus on the punk aspect of cyberpunk? :)
Duly noted.
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Are we going to see Kill Code release at GenCon? Or possibly before... Or....???? Patience is not a virtue...
It will come out after 6E has been announced.
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So if print copies of killcode will be available at gencon when will the pdf version be available and when is gencon?
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If they have copies of Kill Code at GenCon (Aug 2-5), then the digital release will likely happen early August.
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Awesome!
Thanks.
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That if part makes me slightly nervous. Is that a I cannot confirm or denie if?
I figured when everyone stopped talking about Kill Code and it became pretty clear it was the book almost everyone was hot to get their hands on we would see release at Gen Con, but IF is not the same will be released.
I'm just making sure something terrible didn't happen the book tossed for re-write, we have waited like over 2 years for a major part of this book. Not meaning to be jerk or anything.
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There's a sourcebook listed as "Better Than Bad" SKU: CAT 27203 up for preorder at
https://www.thewarstore.com/Catalyst-Game-Labs-Shadowrun-RPG-Better-Than-Bad.html
also at miniature market. Now the name could be a placeholder for Kill Code the name is not necessarily accurate. Universal Dist lists 19 SEP 18 as release date, this could also change.
The SKU indicates it is the 3rd in the series of Cutting Aces CAT 27202 and Hard Targets CAT 27201 , so I think Kill Code could be a good bet.
[Edit: add release date]
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No, Better Than Bad is a separate book about "hooding", as in Robin Hood.
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Watch it get pushed back to 6E.
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Totally unrelated for sure: https://twitter.com/amyveeres/status/973081482024628225 ::)
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No, Better Than Bad is a separate book about "hooding", as in Robin Hood.
Darn it, now I have the Log song from Ren & Stimpy ("It's log, log, it's better than bad, it's good!") stuck in my head.
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No, Better Than Bad is a separate book about "hooding", as in Robin Hood.
Darn it, now I have the Log song from Ren & Stimpy ("It's log, log, it's better than bad, it's good!") stuck in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7mNr5WMjA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7mNr5WMjA)