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Agonar

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« on: <12-15-13/1046:14> »
Two things I noticed so far

Page 3 mentions that Flamethrowers can be used for Suppressive Fire, but doesn't say how many units of ammo this uses, while it does say that fanning up to three targets uses 2 units.

Page 13, Shiawase Arms Monsoon:  There is a weird run-on sentence
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As long as the user simply needs to
ensure the barrels are not heavily plugged up and the
bullets will fly toward their intended target, aided by the
integral smartlink system, which is protected in its own
shock-proof housing.

Should probably say "As long as the user ensures. .  .  or The user simply needs to ensure. .   "
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« Reply #1 on: <12-18-13/1713:59> »
Agonar,
I'm fairly sure that it can safely be assumed that suppressive fire and attacking multiple targets in the same fanning motion uses the same amount of fuel, aka 2 units.

And I'd like to submit the Rain Forest Carbine for errata as well, cause it broken...

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« Reply #2 on: <12-20-13/0614:24> »
The Rain Forest Carabine surely seems off a bit. It has better stats (except for range) than an Ares Desert Strike for one fifth of its price. If you compare it to other assault rifles, damage, AP and accuracy are all superior and i don't think that clip size, price and SA only are enough to offset these.
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« Reply #3 on: <12-20-13/1115:43> »
The Rain Forest Carabine surely seems off a bit. It has better stats (except for range) than an Ares Desert Strike for one fifth of its price. If you compare it to other assault rifles, damage, AP and accuracy are all superior and i don't think that clip size, price and SA only are enough to offset these.

Don't forget the 5R availability on the rainforest.

However, some guy already said that he "missed it in proofreading" regarding the rainforest carbine.  I'm assuming we'll see an official massive damage reduction real soon.
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« Reply #4 on: <12-20-13/1614:00> »
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« Reply #5 on: <12-24-13/0335:59> »
Second problem.

Flame Throwers.  You can "fan" to attack up to three targets.  Is this done using the Multiple Attacks Free Action (and thus splitting your dice pool), or is this done as per a grenade or Area spell (single attack roll with a threshold to hit the area), or is this done as per the spread on using Shotgun with Flechette rounds... single roll targeting multiple targets in the area, with each target defending separately?
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« Reply #6 on: <12-24-13/0417:14> »
((Sounds like similar to suppressive fire to me, so no splitting involved, otherwise it'd say so.))
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« Reply #7 on: <12-24-13/0938:17> »
((Sounds like similar to suppressive fire to me, so no splitting involved, otherwise it'd say so.))

But the flamethrower has a separate entry allowing for suppressive fire.
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"They can be used for Suppressive Fire. They can also be used to attack multiple targets;"

Unless the "up to three targets, and each within 4 meters of the others" is defining the suppressive area, overruling the normal suppressive area of a cone, no wider than 10 meters at the end..
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« Reply #8 on: <12-24-13/0942:04> »
((I did not mean it's Suppressive Fire, I meant that the way it is phrased it would be treated similar to Shotguns and Suppressive Fire, aka no splitting.))
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« Reply #9 on: <01-03-14/1420:33> »
The Rain Forest Carabine surely seems off a bit. It has better stats (except for range) than an Ares Desert Strike for one fifth of its price. If you compare it to other assault rifles, damage, AP and accuracy are all superior and i don't think that clip size, price and SA only are enough to offset these.

Don't forget the 5R availability on the rainforest.

However, some guy already said that he "missed it in proofreading" regarding the rainforest carbine.  I'm assuming we'll see an official massive damage reduction real soon.

Real soon?  You sure? ;)

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« Reply #10 on: <01-03-14/1605:39> »
The book doesn't have rules for the "magazine barrel" guns that it includes.  It also lacks a price for flamethrower ammo in SR5...  I assume it's not supposed to be the same as normal ammo.
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« Reply #11 on: <01-03-14/1614:48> »
Remember the note on page 3:

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Not all of the standard modifications listed with the weapons in this book are detailed in Shadowrun, Fifth Edition. A book with more weapons and combat options called Run & Gun will be released shortly after this book, providing details on these modifications.

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« Reply #12 on: <01-03-14/1621:00> »
Speaking of the magazine barrel gun, I am disappoint in catalyst for going through the trouble of introducing Metal Storm guns and then failing to represent how they work mechanically at all.

It combines the clip and the barrel into a single unit and has bullets fired electronically in sequence, making any gun built in this manner capable of full-auto fire at ludicrous speeds, and makes the gun more accurate when using bursts, since it empties all the bullets in the barrel at the target before it even finishes recoiling. This would be easy to represent mechanically in 5th edition with either increased accuracy, a high recoil compensation, or even just a line that says 'Metal Storm guns do not suffer recoil on the first shot, but progressive recoil still applies on attacks made on additional passes.' They included two metal storm guns in this book, and neither one has improved recoil compensation or accuracy over any other gun of their type, and the metal storm shotgun is only Semi Auto!

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« Reply #13 on: <01-14-14/1910:49> »
Sporting Rifle category does not exist in SR5.  Presumably all Sporting Rifles should be reclassed Sniper Rifles in SR5 (at least both Sporting Rifles in the core book are categorized as Sniper Rifles).

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« Reply #14 on: <01-14-14/2146:14> »
Sporting Rifle category does not exist in SR5.

Gun H(e)aven 3 disagrees with you. Ranges are listed in the front, along with the relevant skill.
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