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Title: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <12-22-15/1016:41>
Some artwork, by A. Menold, posted up on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/135655007841/huge-drivethrurpg-sr5-sale):

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d382f44f8f6f171a944204832f5cea65/tumblr_inline_nzq1uhFokU1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <12-22-15/1214:36>
And this is why they discontinued 'Bring your ride to work day' at the office.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: adzling on <12-22-15/1328:02>
Any details on what exactly this "sourcebook" is?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <12-22-15/1407:19>
Market Panic should be the 5th ed version of Corporate Download/Corporate Guide of yestereditions
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: ScytheKnight on <12-23-15/0146:15>
I believe it's also mention it being a general timeline advancement on Lockdown and the "Nanopokalypse" in general, these being the trigger for the Market Panic.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mirikon on <12-23-15/1059:51>
Don't forget info on the Megacorporate Audit.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Shadowjack on <12-28-15/0537:07>
I'm really excited to get my hands on this book. I should have Corporate Guide in a few days, that will hold me over in the mean time ;)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-09-16/0800:51>
More are from Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/136884776666/shadowrun-market-panic-art), False Justice by Victor Moreno:

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/f103a4dbcdeef826a6281090b3c323b9/tumblr_inline_o0n68ojD4O1s9c9hj_500.jpg)

Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <01-09-16/2323:21>
Harlequin as Judge Superior!?! That can never go well ^^
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-10-16/0228:47>
Well, Chief Justice, given that this appears to be the UCAS Supreme Court chambers.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mirikon on <01-10-16/1320:34>
Am I the only one who really, REALLY wants Harlequin to be Chief Justice of the Corporate Court?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <01-10-16/1331:40>
Am I the only one who really, REALLY wants Harlequin to be Chief Justice of the Corporate Court?
And on that day all Female Corporate Employees will be required to wear tiny miniskirts!!!




Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-10-16/1344:13>
BTW, Harlequin was legally deemed to be a hereditary peer of the United Kingdom and has the right to sit in the House of Lords.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <01-10-16/1523:46>
Because he wielded Excalibur against Ghostwalker?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <01-10-16/1559:12>
BTW, Harlequin was legally deemed to be a hereditary peer of the United Kingdom and has the right to sit in the House of Lords.
Given he has been around a looooooong time that actually seems like some good planning on his part.

Win the original peerage in the old days and just pop around every so often to keep up appearances and pass it along to his 'heir'.

The SR House of Lords probably never suffered the House of Lords Act of 1999 which severely curtailed the number of Hereditary Peers who could sit in the House of Lords or the ongoing attemps in 2015+ to further cut into their power,  so would not surprise me to see him there.

I would have thought though they would have asked him to clean up a bit first and lose the makeup during sessions ( a quick illusion if he doesn't want to lose the actual paint). ;)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-10-16/1630:13>
I'm amazed they aren't walking around with their dicks out now.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Nath on <01-10-16/1727:07>
If that refers to Harlequin as Earl of Arran, he inherited those lands from Aina, who had purchased "the defunct earldom sometimes around the turn of the 21st century."

So in addition to the House of Lords Act of 1999 not passed, it would require the Earl of Arran title to go extinct (which it currently isn't, being a subsidiary title of Duke of Hamilton), then Aina purchase to involve not only the land, but also a peerage created by the King or the Queen of the United Kingdom, and this peerage to have a letters patent that allow the title to pass to mere beneficiary of the estate rather than only legitimate male descendants as the norm is (unless Aina had prepared documents establishing Harlequin as her legitimate son, that is).

In real life, the castle and land of Arran were bought in 1995 by Swiss millionaire Willi Ernst Sturzenegger. He petitioned to claim the title of "Feudal Earl of Arran". He was not claiming the peerage (the difference between "feudal earl" and "earl") that belonged to the Duke of Hamilton. Anyway, he did not get his wish granted.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Bull on <01-10-16/2331:08>
Keep in mind Shadowrun officially diverges in 1989, and unofficially diverges much earlier than that.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <01-11-16/0536:43>
Am I the only one who really, REALLY wants Harlequin to be Chief Justice of the Corporate Court?

No, no you are not.  ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: thePrimarch on <01-11-16/1116:18>
Because he wielded Excalibur against Ghostwalker?

Which is weird. He's so un-Arthurian he would have Malory through White rolling in their graves. He'd make sense as reconstituted Green Knight or Lancelot, but he's not fighting for Christendom, he's not particularly noble, and he's not actively seeking an end to wars (he pretty much declared one on Ghostwalker). Also, he's kind of a dick.

I guess that could fit well for Fergus mac Roich, if he's actually the person whom the Celts based their legends on (which later influenced Arthurian legends -- there's some suggestion that Arthur is a cross between this figure and an actual king named Aethelred, and Fergus had a sword that matches the Excalibur concept fairly well). That doesn't really explain his fancy silver plate armor, but I guess that's more elf-magic than anything else.

Or he could have just knicked Excalibur off of Bedevere when the old knight's back was turned. Stealing powerful weapons off of symbols of authority is what Shadowrunning's all about, after all.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Marzhin on <01-11-16/1139:36>
Because he wielded Excalibur against Ghostwalker?

Which is weird. He's so un-Arthurian he would have Malory through White rolling in their graves. He'd make sense as reconstituted Green Knight or Lancelot, but he's not fighting for Christendom, he's not particularly noble, and he's not actively seeking an end to wars (he pretty much declared one on Ghostwalker). Also, he's kind of a dick.

Actually, I'm not sure the sword he used against Ghostie was Excalibur. Wasn't it supposed to be the magical rapier he offered to the runners at the end of the original Harlequin campaign? Street Legends mentioned he acquired it back as "sometimes any sword will do, and sometimes only one will" (or something along these lines).
If I'm not mistaken, Harlequin inherited Excalibur in Dunkelzahn's will, but the sword had not even been found.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <01-11-16/1143:28>
Or maybe it was SexKalibre, it's naughty cousin? :P

Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Raiderjoseph on <01-11-16/1152:25>
Am I the only one who really, REALLY wants Harlequin to be Chief Justice of the Corporate Court?
And on that day all Female Corporate Employees will be required to wear tiny miniskirts!!!

Its a horrible day for rain...
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: ScytheKnight on <01-11-16/1641:14>
That or considering what I know of the character and the expressions of everyone else in the picture.. it's a hacked transmission and HQ just very publicly aired some very dirty laundry.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: DeathStrobe on <01-11-16/2323:47>
Excalibur apparently does not exist (http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Source:Post_Mortem). Which I find weird, considering that so many legends are true in SR.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mr. Grey on <01-13-16/2317:54>
I'm hoping for a release on the 15th. It'd be a nice birthday present for me. After Rigger 5.0, I'm stoked for this.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-16-16/1935:36>
More art (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/137374247451/shadowrun-market-panic-art), this one by Benjamin Gilleti

(http://56.media.tumblr.com/a58f5b8d42b5caa57280083f640b55ce/tumblr_inline_o10p27OQY91s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <01-16-16/2008:01>
Up until that moment, Magnus had always thought the phrase 'Getting burned on the Stock Market' was just a figurative turn of phrase...

Then he tried selling short against some S-K interests and found that if you can't stand the heat, it's already too late.....
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <01-17-16/0042:03>
More art (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/137374247451/shadowrun-market-panic-art), the one by B. Gilleti


That's a great piece! I will have to see if he has a deviantart page up.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <01-17-16/0043:33>
Up until that moment, Magnus had always thought the phrase 'Getting burned on the Stock Market' was just a figurative turn of phrase...

Then he tried selling short against some S-K interests and found that if you can't stand the heat, it's already too late.....

They say never deal with a dragon, but only slightly less known is never deal against a dragon. Alas, poor Magnus, I knew him not.  ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-17-16/0927:12>
That's a great piece! I will have to see if he has a deviantart page up.

He has an ArtStation (https://www.artstation.com/artist/bengiskhan) page.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mr. Grey on <01-17-16/1853:23>
This is making me wonder if the shakeup is going to be bigger than just one of the AAAs falling.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <01-17-16/2357:18>
That's a great piece! I will have to see if he has a deviantart page up.

He has an ArtStation (https://www.artstation.com/artist/bengiskhan) page.

Oh, thanks! I didn't know about that website.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-18-16/2225:49>
Not a problem. With the closure of CGHub, ArtStation seems to have stepped up in its place.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <01-19-16/1211:34>
This is making me wonder if the shakeup is going to be bigger than just one of the AAAs falling.

Luckily, every single megacorporation is completely stable and solvent with no worries whatsoever. Rock steady.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-19-16/1500:16>
This is making me wonder if the shakeup is going to be bigger than just one of the AAAs falling.

Luckily, every single megacorporation is completely stable and solvent with no worries whatsoever. Rock steady.

Damn it. I nearly fell out of my chair.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <01-19-16/1521:24>
This is making me wonder if the shakeup is going to be bigger than just one of the AAAs falling.

Luckily, every single megacorporation is completely stable and solvent with no worries whatsoever. Rock steady.
Wow..  remind me never to play poker with Wak, because if he can say that with a straight face.......
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mr. Grey on <01-19-16/1807:33>
This is making me wonder if the shakeup is going to be bigger than just one of the AAAs falling.

Luckily, every single megacorporation is completely stable and solvent with no worries whatsoever. Rock steady.
Wow..  remind me never to play poker with Wak, because if he can say that with a straight face.......

He's just got a few shares in some corporations he wants to sell you at good prices. And while he's at it, a bridge and some beach front property in Denver.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-27-16/1646:26>
Getting closer...some more artwork from Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/138129753051/shadowrun-market-panic-art) from Victor Moreno:

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/2a7e116f7ff040a48714127cda9a2ea1/tumblr_inline_o1lfgbfPvJ1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Fizzygoo on <01-27-16/1800:56>
So Mitsuhama usurps S-K for top AAA status? :)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <01-27-16/2347:17>
So Mitsuhama usurps S-K for top AAA status? :)

Yeah, Lofwyr isn't going to be pleased with that, if that's true. It will probably be time for a new board, as the previoys one will be 'fired.'
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <01-28-16/0113:31>
Wow, another reason why I'm really looking forward to reading that book.
Get it out already!
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <01-28-16/2051:55>
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/2a7e116f7ff040a48714127cda9a2ea1/tumblr_inline_o1lfgbfPvJ1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
So Mitsuhama usurps S-K for top AAA status? :)

Yeah, Lofwyr isn't going to be pleased with that, if that's true. It will probably be time for a new board, as the previoys one will be 'fired.'

(http://56.media.tumblr.com/a58f5b8d42b5caa57280083f640b55ce/tumblr_inline_o10p27OQY91s9c9hj_500.jpg)

Every megacorp is completely stable. There are no changes in any of the Big Ten. The Megacorporate Audit is going completely smoothly and everyone is lining up in a fair and orderly fashion to turn in their financial records and are completely understanding of all results which are completely mathematical and precise and are not subject to any influence beyond that simple equasion.

Enjoy the new Soy-Sation from All-American Foods, your All-American source of All-American food.
[size=0](All-American food is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Pyramid Foods.)[/size]
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Fizzygoo on <01-28-16/2116:44>
Every megacorp is completely stable. There are no changes in any of the Big Ten. The Megacorporate Audit is going completely smoothly and everyone is lining up in a fair and orderly fashion to turn in their financial records and are completely understanding of all results which are completely mathematical and precise and are not subject to any influence beyond that simple equasion.

Enjoy the new Soy-Sation from All-American Foods, your All-American source of All-American food.
[size=0](All-American food is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Pyramid Foods.)[/size]

My accountants have been sacked. Sending you the access codes to my stock portfolios, Wakshaani.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-29-16/0208:13>
Yeah, Lofwyr isn't going to be pleased with that, if that's true. It will probably be time for a new board, as the previoys one will be 'fired.'

He's a board of one as far as I know.

You all should see the novella-length email I sent Jason about what I wanted to do to 78oto6flyi.fvvy78 il13wqu2t7T&(T&(UFGFVY@*^*FC$E^Y
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <01-29-16/0359:11>
There is no cause for alarm. The Matrix is completely stable and fully understood by our technicians. Crimsondude's commlink was simply rendered momentarily offline due to .... inferior technology. It would be remiss of us to say exactly which company produced said commlink. Suffice it to say that the Matrix itself is working as intended and that there is no cause for alarm.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Rift_0f_Bladz on <01-29-16/1518:09>
Haha, smell someone being force fed info. Or an E-ghost pretending to be Wak.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mr. Grey on <02-02-16/1924:48>
There is no cause for alarm. The Matrix is completely stable and fully understood by our technicians. Crimsondude's commlink was simply rendered momentarily offline due to .... inferior technology. It would be remiss of us to say exactly which company produced said commlink. Suffice it to say that the Matrix itself is working as intended and that there is no cause for alarm.

In other unrelated news, Wakshaani Ltd., a wholly owned subsidy of the Horizon group, announce the sale of human bit gags for those gamers chomping at the bit to get their hands on more shadowrun products. Sales are expected to be very high according to internal sources.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <02-02-16/2118:52>
There is no cause for alarm. The Matrix is completely stable and fully understood by our technicians. Crimsondude's commlink was simply rendered momentarily offline due to .... inferior technology. It would be remiss of us to say exactly which company produced said commlink. Suffice it to say that the Matrix itself is working as intended and that there is no cause for alarm.

In other unrelated news, Wakshaani Ltd., a wholly owned subsidy of the Horizon group, announce the sale of human bit gags for those gamers chomping at the bit to get their hands on more shadowrun products. Sales are expected to be very high according to internal sources.


(http://wagingnonviolence.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/zombies.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mr. Grey on <02-03-16/0106:40>
There is no cause for alarm. The Matrix is completely stable and fully understood by our technicians. Crimsondude's commlink was simply rendered momentarily offline due to .... inferior technology. It would be remiss of us to say exactly which company produced said commlink. Suffice it to say that the Matrix itself is working as intended and that there is no cause for alarm.

In other unrelated news, Wakshaani Ltd., a wholly owned subsidy of the Horizon group, announce the sale of human bit gags for those gamers chomping at the bit to get their hands on more shadowrun products. Sales are expected to be very high according to internal sources.


(http://wagingnonviolence.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/zombies.jpg)

OK, now we need to put a do not read at work warning on this thread! I am lucky no one was in the room when I burst out laughing at that picture ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <02-03-16/1238:25>
Some new art on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/138606726586/shadowrun-market-panic-art), "Paris", by S. Rutledge:

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/860768fcb6b708171f2d0d218a3769c0/tumblr_inline_o1z748AguT1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Adamo1618 on <02-03-16/1633:02>
"Now where did I park my car..."
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: ScytheKnight on <02-03-16/1641:52>
So 5th Edition being my introduction to Shadowrun (well P&P anyway), thus making Market Panic my first Corporations sourcebook, what kind of content could be expected?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-03-16/1801:32>
General information about each Corp as well as state of it, current issues and what to expect when infiltration their halls. And hooks, lots of hooks
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-03-16/1813:08>
You can count on finding out who the power players are of each corp, who's up, who's down, what each corp is doing (both public versions and shadow versions, tho the later are usually wrapped up in rumor as much,or more, than fact), some basics on how corps operate, what kinds of stuff each one does, and so on.

For example, the last time around, Ares talked about being "The gun corp", but also took time to note that this was only a small part of the overal package... AresSpace is one of the biggest off-planet corps, for instance, while Ares Global Entertainment was the #2 entertainment corp in the world before Horizon was born, Ares Consumer Products makes all kinds of stuff (Apple, for instance, is one small subsidiary of Ares), some talk about Knight Errant, and more. You had write-ups of Damien Knight, Arthur Vogel, and a few other power-players in the mix. Oh, and they might have mentioned bugs in there someplace. Maybe. Once or twice.

This time around, who knows? Who's still alive? WHo's dead? Heck, who's in the middle of dying? How's business doing? Are there any new products? (Ares was rolling out a small run of Amber Gel a year ago, was it a hit?) TONS of stuff to cover.

And that's just the Big Ten. If there still *are* ten Triple-A corps, that is.

You should find at least one plot hook on every page, and just getting to know how each corp operates can really help you out in terms of making future runs.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Marzhin on <02-07-16/0451:33>
Plus, these Corp books are usually a lot of fun to read (as far as I'm concerned, anyway :) )
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <02-07-16/1225:57>
Well yeah, corp shenanigans typically means work for us.  8)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <02-07-16/2128:00>
Well yeah, corp shenanigans typically means work for us.  8)


Lies! Vicious rumors! Everyone knows the Megas play nice with each other! Horizon says so!  ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-11-16/1339:50>
Well yeah, corp shenanigans typically means work for us.  8)


Lies! Vicious rumors! Everyone knows the Megas play nice with each other! Horizon says so!  ;D

Having just seen the cover? Joy.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <02-11-16/1445:25>
Well yeah, corp shenanigans typically means work for us.  8)


Lies! Vicious rumors! Everyone knows the Megas play nice with each other! Horizon says so!  ;D

Having just seen the cover? Joy.
Shhhhaaaaaaaaaaarrrrreeeeeeee
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <02-11-16/1532:07>
Having just seen the cover? Joy.
Tease... :P  ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Beta on <02-11-16/1728:34>
It is almost Valentine's Day -- show us some love (by showing us the cover).  Someone at Catalyst ..... Please!  ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-12-16/0135:35>
Having just seen the cover? Joy.
Tease... :P  ;D

It's true!

I'd share it, but I don't wanna lose my job, thanks. :D

Hopefully everyone'll get to see it soon!
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <02-13-16/0202:59>
Having just seen the cover? Joy.
Tease... :P ;D

It's true!

I'd share it, but I don't wanna lose my job, thanks. :D

Hopefully everyone'll get to see it soon!


Is that an actual "soon" or is it the 'soon' which is anything but? >:(
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <02-13-16/0718:46>
Not the cover (daggers at Wak ;)), but some new art by Andreas Schroth up on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/139205839171/shadowrun-market-panic-art):

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/073875d4edea5123e782d1f27555f3d6/tumblr_inline_o2gsjegdaE1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-25-16/1640:16>
Hey gang, here's a quick one for you.

In 2072, the Big Ten were listed in order of largest (in terms of value) to lowest, and that line went like so:

1: Saeder-Krupp
2: NeoNET
3: Mitsuhama Computer Technologies
4: Aztechnology
5: Renraku Computer Systems
6: Ares Macrotechnology
7: Evo Corporation
8: Shiawase Corporation
9: Wuxing Incorporated
10: Horizon

How do you think this ranking will look as we roll into 2078? (The answer will be in Market Panic, of course, but here's your chance to take a stab at it!)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <02-25-16/1726:26>
I would go with:

1: Mitsuhama Computer Technologies
2: Saeder-Krupp
3: Aztechnology
4: Renraku Computer Systems
5: Evo Corporation
6: Ares Macrotechnology
7: NeoNet*
8: Shiawase Corporation
9: Horizon
10: Wuxing Incorporated



Edit: *assuming they are still around, still got the feeling they are being set up for something.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: ScytheKnight on <02-25-16/1822:09>
Honestly the big question is if there are still 10, or has the fallout from Boston really toppled one of the AAAs?

I really can't imagine anything that would cause more corporate shadow work than an empty seat on the Corporate Court.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-25-16/1840:28>
Whaaaaat? An empty seat? Why, no Triple A will *ever* die!
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: ScytheKnight on <02-25-16/1844:06>
Whaaaaat? An empty seat? Why, no Triple A will *ever* die!

*Hands Wak an extra large spoon for the pot he's stirring*

 :P
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Prime Mover on <02-28-16/0205:28>
Ares had a major shakeup over a faulty rifle.  Evo's mars base may have been the source of headcases.
As far as who should fall either due to consumer confidence or corporate consensus seems clear.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Mirikon on <02-28-16/1223:46>
Ares had a major shakeup over a faulty rifle.  Evo's mars base may have been the source of headcases.
As far as who should fall either due to consumer confidence or corporate consensus seems clear.
Until someone gets blamed for Boston. Then everything changes.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <02-28-16/1236:30>
Ares had a major shakeup over a faulty rifle.  Evo's mars base may have been the source of headcases.
As far as who should fall either due to consumer confidence or corporate consensus seems clear.
Ares also has bugs.

Moreover, Excalibur didn't hurt Ares Arms. The utterly incompetent and catastrophic response did. It's had a decade of its own "home" country actively not buying its products when possible, has never gotten traction in Asia even when/after one of the biggest local competitors was destroyed during the dragon conflict, and Aztechnology has arguably proven its weapons as superior through actual military success, which one might presume speaks loudly in the arms market.

Then look at AresSpace. World leader in aerospace and yet it was completely left out of the space elevator project.

But as someone mentioned (on another thread, I guess), they are still holding all of those loans that Bank of America purchased to leverage control over CATCo and paying them off now that they own a lot of those CATCo assets. They can't just spin off the debts into separate entities and write them off because Ares is its own biggest creditor.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on <02-28-16/1244:40>
I very much doubt Gagarin was the source of CFD; the facility in Albuquerque that Fastjack and Riser and the rest of the gang raided seems a much more plausible source.

And I'm confident the Boston situation will play a big role in which Megacorp ends up falling. NeoNET, EVO, and Aztechnology (in that order) all have a stake in that particular kerfuffle as members of Project Vulcan, and if the information about the project were to leak out I'd wager one of those takes the fall.

I'd be personally astonished if S-K, Ares, or Horizon goes down, though the latter certainly has had their public perception changed between the loss in Amazonia and the technomancer massacre. I'd also consider it unlikely that MCT, Renraku, or Shiawase would falter significantly, and Wuxing doesn't seem to have a lot going on in the public eye these days.

Sader-Krupp is likely taking a hit in terms of ranking what with the fallout from the Dragon Civil War and all of the frenemies ganging up on Lofwyr himself. What the top 10 will look like is impossible to say simply because one of the big 10 might not be there anymore. If I had to guess, I'd rank them accordingly:
1: NeoNET
2: Saeder-Krupp
3: Aztechnology
4: Shiawase Corporation
5: Mitsuhama Computer Technologies
6: Renraku Computer Systems
7: Wuxing Incorporated
8: Ares Macrotechnology
9: Horizon
10: Unknown

I'd hedge my bets that EVO goes down simply because NeoNET has the most incentive to blame someone else involved in Project Vulcan, and with the Monad taking over Gagarin it seems like EVO is the corp with the most negative public perception recently. If NeoNET can spin the event in their favour I could see them coming out on top.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Nath on <02-28-16/1614:04>
But as someone mentioned (on another thread, I guess), they are still holding all of those loans that Bank of America purchased to leverage control over CATCo and paying them off now that they own a lot of those CATCo assets. They can't just spin off the debts into separate entities and write them off because Ares is its own biggest creditor.
Huh?

While they totally can spin such loans off into separate companies, they sure have little point in doing so first because it would be hard to find a buyer for a borrowing position with no collateral assets, and then because it would be totally pointless for them to sell borrowing positions they happen to be the lender to someone who could actually default for real

The Ares group is the lender and the borrower here. First, they own the bank: BoA could simply grants new loans to Cross former companies indefinitely to allow them to repay older loans (what is usually shortened as "renegotiating") and keep things going foreover. Then, in the possible situation such loans would go beyond what banking regulations allow BoA to perform (I assume such regulations still exist, ikely in the hands of the Corporate Court), the Cross former companies could simply default on their loans, and BoA file a petition of "involuntary bankruptcy" to foreclose on any available assets. Which would just move assets from one part of Ares to another.

Except for the part where debt needs to be repaid with karma along with the nuyen, I don't know about anything that would make things different in SR.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Prime Mover on <02-28-16/2029:30>
Be hard to let Aztec go, been such a good boogie man for several decades of game time.
A new mover, an unexpected shakeup or last minute twist with its roots in Boston.  Now that I could work with.
Whats that Big D's spirit comes back and orchestrates a takeover of Ares, cures CFD. ( I know tinfoil hat plotline but an extreme example.)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-28-16/2038:31>
One day, I'll post my proposed finale for the CFD storyline. But that's neither here nor there. :)

Once MP drops, I'm going to go through what was cut from my chapter (I messed up! I thought I had 20,000 words but only had 10! The editing pen shows no mercy when you double things!) ... stuff I can recycle into a fuure book I'll keep, but the stuff that I can't (Mostly jokes, but not entirely!) I'll see about posting here. Because some of it was funny, durnit. But word count is a harsh, harsh mistress. I totally understand, but I'm willing to give you a lil' bit for free. 'Cause I love you guys.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-28-16/2308:50>
Just send me your draft in a private message ... I promised I won't tell!

>.>
<.<
^.^
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Crimsondude on <02-28-16/2312:31>
But as someone mentioned (on another thread, I guess), they are still holding all of those loans that Bank of America purchased to leverage control over CATCo and paying them off now that they own a lot of those CATCo assets. They can't just spin off the debts into separate entities and write them off because Ares is its own biggest creditor.
Huh?

While they totally can spin such loans off into separate companies, they sure have little point in doing so first because it would be hard to find a buyer for a borrowing position with no collateral assets, and then because it would be totally pointless for them to sell borrowing positions they happen to be the lender to someone who could actually default for real

The Ares group is the lender and the borrower here. First, they own the bank: BoA could simply grants new loans to Cross former companies indefinitely to allow them to repay older loans (what is usually shortened as "renegotiating") and keep things going foreover. Then, in the possible situation such loans would go beyond what banking regulations allow BoA to perform (I assume such regulations still exist, ikely in the hands of the Corporate Court), the Cross former companies could simply default on their loans, and BoA file a petition of "involuntary bankruptcy" to foreclose on any available assets. Which would just move assets from one part of Ares to another.

Except for the part where debt needs to be repaid with karma along with the nuyen, I don't know about anything that would make things different in SR.

D'Oh! Brain fart.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-29-16/0031:54>
Just send me your draft in a private message ... I promised I won't tell!

>.>
<.<
^.^

Oh, sure, let me just hey WAIT a minute!
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on <02-29-16/0048:39>
Good opportunity to find out what the character limit is for private messages, Wakshaani... :D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-29-16/0051:33>
Good opportunity to find out what the character limit is for private messages, Wakshaani... :D

Well MULTIPLE messages wouldn't be out of the question either
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <02-29-16/0127:42>
On the one hand, SCIENCE!

On teh other hand, I like this job.

You'll forgive me if I lean towards the latter. :)

(But Market Panic should be landing Soon (tm), so then everyone'll be all together and shiny and happy.)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-29-16/0209:36>
But with only half of what you promised/submitted!
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <02-29-16/0257:22>
Soon (tm)


Oh, how I have come to loathe that word!  >:(
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <02-29-16/0304:16>
would you accept Soonish™?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-29-16/0306:12>
Near future?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Fizzygoo on <02-29-16/0314:15>
THE HIDDEN BLADES
GIGGLE HIT

Contract Handler: Fgoo42, NorCal CFS
Contract Mark: Wakshaani
Contract Timeline: Ends on Market Panic Street Date
Contract Limitations: No collateral, physical, or real damage; limited party-popper explosives only; positive ID required; giggle damage only
Contract Value: ¥ ¥ ¥
Open Form Data: Ace Runner, Freelancer, unknown security detail. 1762 posts (1.041 per day, as of this writing)
Current Acceptance Count: 0
Accept Contract: Y/N
Information: Thank you for taking this contract. Target is respected member of the Shadowrun community that recently exceeded his word count and must be taken care of. Only euphemistically "killed by laughter" or found to have "laughed his ass off" will complete this contract. Any actual harm or injury voids all payment.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Sendaz on <02-29-16/0604:18>
*starts stocking up on throwback videos of George Carlton shows, nitrous oxide and copious amounts of deepweed*
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Dinendae on <02-29-16/0807:31>
THE HIDDEN BLADES
GIGGLE HIT

Contract Handler: Fgoo42, NorCal CFS
Contract Mark: Wakshaani
Contract Timeline: Ends on Market Panic Street Date
Contract Limitations: No collateral, physical, or real damage; limited party-popper explosives only; positive ID required; giggle damage only
Contract Value: ¥ ¥ ¥
Open Form Data: Ace Runner, Freelancer, unknown security detail. 1762 posts (1.041 per day, as of this writing)
Current Acceptance Count: 0
Accept Contract: Y/N
Information: Thank you for taking this contract. Target is respected member of the Shadowrun community that recently exceeded his word count and must be taken care of. Only euphemistically "killed by laughter" or found to have "laughed his ass off" will complete this contract. Any actual harm or injury voids all payment.


Your offer intrigues me, and I would like to know more. I see a clause forbidding "actual harm or injury," but tell me, what about mental trauma?
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: thePrimarch on <03-02-16/1357:20>
One day, I'll post my proposed finale for the CFD storyline. But that's neither here nor there. :)

Is it "the brain-stealing AI jerks got their asses off Mars and they all lived happily every after somewhere far, far away from us", or "Ares EMPs the red planet and status quo is restored"?

Kidding, kidding.

Honestly, I'm hoping the actual answer is "Find out in our new spinoff RPG, Transhumanist AI Space Explorers!", but I don't have a good argument for it beyond that it sounds like a cool game concept.
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: AJCarrington on <03-02-16/2016:18>
Cover from Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/140358940296/market-panic-serrated-edge-available):

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/844e29a6d38f984618352fe4c72a7e75/tumblr_inline_o3fry5DLh21s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Wakshaani on <03-03-16/0058:35>
And now you see taht A) it was as lovely as I said and B) why I giggled about someone a few pages back saying "A nice horizon" shot. :D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: MijRai on <03-03-16/0130:38>
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/176342/Shadowrun-Market-Panic-Campaign-Book?src=slider_view
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: Marzhin on <03-03-16/0651:49>
Honestly, I'm hoping the actual answer is "Find out in our new spinoff RPG, Transhumanist AI Space Explorers!", but I don't have a good argument for it beyond that it sounds like a cool game concept.

Well, ever heard of Eclipse Phase?  ;D
Title: Re: [SR5] Market Panic
Post by: thePrimarch on <03-03-16/0917:34>
Well, ever heard of Eclipse Phase?  ;D

It did cross my mind when I suggested Transhumanist AI Space Explorers, I'll admit.