[Blue Rose]

Ladies and gentlemen, please, calm down.  I understand your frustrations, but the anger and the bad vibes are getting out of hand.

At this point, Catalyst has heard the objections.  Loudly.  And repeatedly.  From many directions.  Further swearing on the matter won't help.

[Fabe]

With there being so many options for getting a pet like a dog or a cat,pet store ,shelters, professional breeders,  etc and the variety of breeds I think I can understand why we don't have cost and availability listed. Unless people would be happy with cost listed as something like from X to Y  with availability listed the same.

[adzling]

You could make that argument about cars, rentals for lifestyles, ammo costs etc.

if you are going to provide multipliers and additions to costs then you should obviously provide base costs.

So that's not really valid imho.

But i think the issue is mostly critter costs, there is no clear parallel IRL.

[Blue Rose]

With there being so many options for getting a pet like a dog or a cat,pet store ,shelters, professional breeders,  etc and the variety of breeds I think I can understand why we don't have cost and availability listed. Unless people would be happy with cost listed as something like from X to Y  with availability listed the same.

In Running Wild, they solved that problem by listing the price as "100Y+*" with availability -.  100Y/month upkeep, covered if you're at least middle lifestyle.  The asterisk is that purebred and exotic variants can potentially cost much more.

Keep in mind there's one unified Dog statblock, not separate stat blocks for toys, hounds, and mastiffs, so they've already simplified things considerably (which I find entirely reasonable).  That said, if I were running a game and someone wanted a big dog, like an Irish Wolfhound, I wouldn't be opposed to them paying more up front and per month to use wolf stats instead of dog stats.  If, of course, we had those prices.  In Running Wild, a wolf was a grand.

[adzling]

that all seems pretty sensible blue.

[Sendaz]

Y'know what would be really great for some of us to see discussed even half so much as the perceived slight of a missing chart? The actual contents of the book.

I admit the first thing I turned to once got my download from Drivethru was the Infected section and it was a good read.

Ties in well with the Infected section in Run Faster.

Plus love Red's shadowtalk.  Shows he is fitting in just fine.

Like the new Infected critters later on in the Mutants & Toxic section as well.

Has Centaurs, Naga and Merrow adding to the ranks of possible HHMVV candidates along with a new Strain 1 Sasquatch type.
As this ties in with Run Faster's use of many of these as PCs,  just know someone is going to try and combiner these for Super Special Snowflake PCs, which means I should be able to unload these cases of Briarwood Ballistics Botanical Based Bullets (also known as B5 rounds) for a pretty penny.

The Drake pricetag is high, but you get what you pay for I suppose and they do allow you to spread the costs out a bit.

Again, can we please have this style of  construction rules given Infected and now Drakes applied to Shifters to give them the same ability to grow into their character?

[Blue Rose]

Changeling infected naga mystic adept ballerina, go!

[MijRai]

Are there now tooth faeries and stirges as the Infected Pixies, Strain I and Strain II respectively?

[adzling]

nope
man those tooth faeries were scary little critters they gave me the creeps

[Beta]

I was happy to see the old Raccoon mentor spirit back, finally.

This was what pushed me into getting the pdf instead of waiting for the dead trees version.  But ... you might have been able to guess I'm a racoon mentor spirit fan....

[Blue Rose]

And here I just thought you'd forgotten to shave.

[odd]

So, Patrick Goodman asked folks to post what they think of the book, while I'm not done yet (I'm just at the infected chapter).  These are what I have so far:
Overall I like it a lot, there are some inconsistancies in the stat blocks but that's what the (eventual) errata is for. 
I like the scientific names like someone else mentioned, though I wish there was more artwork for the critters (even a collage would be great).  The in character description are usually good (though Black Ansis (sp)) didn't conjure up anything (though the story at the start of the chapter did a fair job).  On the topic of art, the pictures with metahumans were generally..subpar I guess?  They just seem off to me.

I'll post more as I get through, unless folks really hate my ramblings.

[Patrick Goodman]

No discussion about the critters themselves?

[Medicineman]

No discussion about the critters themselves?

Not from me, I'll wait for the German books
over here there is a Discussion about Drakes and wether some of the Cost is an error or on purpose
especially the 50 karma for  Dracoform Mastery
(is it really 50 Karma or just 5 Karma ?)

with a German Schuhplattler
Medicineman

[Jack_Spade]

No discussion about the critters themselves?

Honestly, I'm still figuring out what some of them are supposed to look like/which unawakened animal they are descended from.
A little text to that effect would have helped tremendously.