Shadowrun
Catalyst Game Labs => Catalyst's Shadowrun Products => Topic started by: Nexushound on <04-29-11/1659:04>
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Oi Chums,
How about some Shadowrun apparel? An SR Hoodie, T-shirts or.....Ski Mask? Just kidding bout the ski-mask bit. But the SR logo is really cool always has been. I think some gear sporting our favorite RPG Logo would be awesome. Hell put out Corporate Logos. An Ares or S-K Tee would be sweet. Just wondering what others think of this idea.
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I have an Ares Predator T-Shirt that my Father found online... Somewhere.
I wear it when GMing. ;D
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There are shirts sold at Origins and GenCon every year. What's left goes up on BattleCorps, but they tend to either not last or are odd sizes.
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I concur, we need more/new SR apparel
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Agreed.
Tell Jason, Randall, & Co. that you want a Shadowrun Missions T-Shirt! (I ask about it every now and then :))
(http://www.shadowrun4.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SR-Missions-4-Logo-21.png)
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@ Bull - Oh I will. Should I bother him on the SR site or should I just chase him down on Facebook? :P
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I'm also thinking some of the classic pictures that shout Shadowrun without the title on it should be available as... Something. Posters maybe?
In particular, I'm thinking of the Street Shaman that's standing on a building in the middle of a lightning storm.
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And, I know Bull doesn't like the green (which is odd, him being an ork & all ;D), but I do.
(http://www.mattdroz.com/Forum/Themes/JackPoint/images/SR_Logo.png)
And, remember, if they don't make the shirts, you can always make them yourself...
SR long sleeve T (http://www.customink.com/designs/shadowrun/scp0-000j-6729/hotlink)
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@ Bull - Oh I will. Should I bother him on the SR site or should I just chase him down on Facebook? :P
I've seen it here, so consider the message passed!
Jason H.
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And, I know Bull doesn't like the green (which is odd, him being an ork & all ;D), but I do.
(http://www.mattdroz.com/Forum/Themes/JackPoint/images/SR_Logo.png)
And, remember, if they don't make the shirts, you can always make them yourself...
SR long sleeve T (http://www.customink.com/designs/shadowrun/scp0-000j-6729/hotlink)
Wouldn't there be copyright issues with the image?
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I used to work for a silk screen company called Fashion Victim that did the licensed White Wolf apparel. We did the Tim Bradstreet designed that added some red and trimmed the borders.
Some simple logo shirts would probably to quite well but in black. SR, Knight Errant, Renraku and some other logos would rock. White never sells.
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And, I know Bull doesn't like the green (which is odd, him being an ork & all ;D), but I do.
And, remember, if they don't make the shirts, you can always make them yourself...
SR long sleeve T (http://www.customink.com/designs/shadowrun/scp0-000j-6729/hotlink)
Wouldn't there be copyright issues with the image?
Good question. I'm thinking that as long as you're not creating 50 shirts and selling them, it should be fine. But, then again, I am not a lawyer and could be totally wrong.
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The primary issue is IP laws. If the company knows about creation of items that infringes on it's IP, they have to take legal action in some way or else lose the IP. (Or something to that matter.).
There are some ways around the issue, such as the disclaimer that provides for the legal creation of fan websites (http://www.shadowrun4.com/legal/). Actually, um, I think I found our answer right there.
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The primary issue is IP laws. If the company knows about creation of items that infringes on it's IP, they have to take legal action in some way or else lose the IP. (Or something to that matter.).
There are some ways around the issue, such as the disclaimer that provides for the legal creation of fan websites (http://www.shadowrun4.com/legal/). Actually, um, I think I found our answer right there.
As I said before, I may be totally wrong, but I see getting a one-off t-shirt that you made for personal use to be on the same level as getting a tattoo of something similar. I mean, my brother-in-law and I both have bat-symbol tattoos and Outrider45 has a nice Ghost Bear logo tattooed on his leg. Again, I may be totally wrong (and if I am, hopefully someone will let me know), but I don't see it as infringement as long as you're not trying to make money off it.
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It's the "Make Money" deal that's the issue. I'm not saying it'd be wrong to get said tattoos or shirts or whatever, but would it be wrong to sell said services/items?
That's the point I'm trying to make. The onus is not on the consumer, but the producer, be he tattooist, t-shirt maker, bumper sticker printer, whatever.
I don't know either. Legalese makes my head hurt. ... More than usual. As long as it's quiet enough that the company can "Prove" they "Did not know about the situation" they can keep their IP and not have to go C&D happy. Hense a strong suggestion about not posting places where you could get such items on their official forums. ;)
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Short version: If you're only going to wear the shirts you make yourself, you are probably fine.
As far as US law is concerned, whether or not you made money is irrelevant to whether something is a violation or not. Profit only enters the picture after the verdict, in determining the amount of penalty you might be liable for.
Both Trademark and Copyright law may be involved, the former in regards to the SR logo as an identifying mark, the latter in regards to the artwork inherent to the logo.
Under Trademark Law, whether or not it is a violation depends largely on the '"likelihood of confusion" - how likely it would be for someone to mistake the product marked as "official". If you are not offering the product to others, nor passing it off as official, the likelyhood of a violation being declared is probably pretty small.
For Copyright Law, it's two out of the five possible violations: Reproduction and Distribution. Reproduction is almost never charged by itself, it's usually tacked onto Distribution. This is because by itself, simple duplication might be considered for personal use and thus fall under Fair Use statues. Distribution is passing a copy to someone else without permission.
Derivative Work, Public Display, and Public Performance aren't really applicable here. Well, possibly Public Display, but that'd be kinda iffy.
In any case, Catalyst has an official fan license, doesn't it?
-k
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In any case, Catalyst has an official fan license, doesn't it?
-k
Yes, but AFAIK it only applies to websites and the like.
I have no clue what the status of the shirts would be, but basically, I gotta go with what was said above... Don't be setting up stores and don't be advertising it on message boards. :)
Also, as a note... Someone is making money off the shirt... The company that's making it for you. Granted, they're not going to be mass marketing it, hopefully, but still...
*shrug*
Bull
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So, to sum up, only buy official Topps™ apparel. Officially, at least. ;D
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Oi Chums,
Well there seems to be some interest in the idea. And when I mentioned it to my GF, who loves Shadowrun, she said "Oooh Oooh I want a sweatshirt!!" Plus this would be a nice gift to the other gamers at my table for B-days, Christmas or whatever. I would like to purchase the shirts. Having one or two made for me is possible but I really like to support the game line and it's products so we see growth and my favorite RPG keeps on putting out new materials. So here it is.
To whom it may concern,
This is my official request for there to be a line of Shadowrun Inspired Apparel. I think that would be just swell. So does my girlfriend.
Thanks. ;D
Nexushound
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OH OH OH!!!
I GOT IT!
Urban Brawl Jerseys! Combat Cycle Team Baseball Caps! Desert Wars Windbreakers! ;D
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OH OH OH!!!
I GOT IT!
Urban Brawl Jerseys! Combat Cycle Team Baseball Caps! Desert Wars Windbreakers! ;D
Anyone got a team logo from Attitude that they're particularly fond of?
Jason H.
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OH OH OH!!!
I GOT IT!
Urban Brawl Jerseys! Combat Cycle Team Baseball Caps! Desert Wars Windbreakers! ;D
Anyone got a team logo from Attitude that they're particularly fond of?
Jason H.
I'm going to take this opportunity to complain about the lack of logos. :P
I want to see the Mountain Dragons logo myself. THAT I'd buy!
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A friend wants to tattoo the SR stylized S. That'd be a cool idea for a shirt, too. Just a big S.
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Anyone got a team logo from Attitude that they're particularly fond of?
Jason H.
Cleveland Chaos. I hear they're in contention to win the Super Brawl this year, if they can get past New Orleans.
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Anyone got a team logo from Attitude that they're particularly fond of?
Jason H.
Hong Kong Cavaliers.
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Anyone got a team logo from Attitude that they're particularly fond of?
Jason H.
Hong Kong Cavaliers.
+1,000,000
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Now I have to make a team/group called the Blue Blazer Regulars
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How about a Battletech Team Banzai shirt to go with that?
What? It's part of the lore!
:)
-k
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A Synaptic album cover stamped in a shirt seems fine to me, whatever they may be.
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Actually, music groups!
I'd get a CrimeTime Ballcap and a Concrete Dreams T-Shirt. Probably a "Distressed" JetBlack one as well.
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A fedora with an autograph of Barry Mana. That's it!
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Mercurial World Tour '50 Shirt :)
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Man, I'd totally wear some Shadowrun merch. Sounds like it'd be a big step to do it officially, though(?)
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How about a Battletech Team Banzai shirt to go with that?
How about no.
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How about a Battletech Team Banzai shirt to go with that?
How about no.
:P
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Actually, music groups!
I'd get a CrimeTime Ballcap and a Concrete Dreams T-Shirt. Probably a "Distressed" JetBlack one as well.
I'd get a CrimeTime hoodie or an Orxanne shirt ee-zee. Maybe a "Bounce Fan Club" one, too? I'unno, she's hot.
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I would definitely be up for a Concrete Dreams or Marcia Mercurial shirt.
Or Hoosier Hacker House, or possibly even Dead Deckers Society
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Aztechnology golf shirt, with blood stains.
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Aztechnology golf shirt, with blood stains.
+1
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Aztechnology golf shirt, with blood stains.
I learned Blood Magic and all I got was a chihuahua spirit?
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Aztechnology Tequila; Don't drink the worm!
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Aztechnology Tequila; Don't drink the worm!
"Hey man, watch out with that stuff! The worm eats you!"
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Aztechnology Tequila; Don't drink the worm!
"Hey man, watch out with that stuff! The worm eats you!"
No, that's Saeder-Krupp brandy.
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oh gods, i would definately have to have a Mercurial concert T, especially after running the MM module, not to mention i just started reading my brand new copy of "Attitude" and noticed that MM is back in the studio again ;D
also,
With Atzlaner tequila, the worm eats you!
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oh gods, i would definately have to have a Mercurial concert T, especially after running the MM module, not to mention i just started reading my brand new copy of "Attitude" and noticed that MM is back in the studio again ;D
also,
With Atzlaner tequila, the worm eats you!
Aztlan is the new Soviet Union alright.
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Aztlan is the new Soviet Union alright.
Aztlan is what the Soviet Union might have been had it been allowed to grow up. ;D
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Not Cuba?
Also, seems as if Pegasus Spiele is going to bundle sew on patches and shirts with limited editions of the german shadowrun books.
At least with Blut und Spiele (Blood and Games, a german book centered around Urban Brawl)
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I really, REALLY wish I could read German.
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My parents own a garment printing company, and I've done a few shirts for my own use every now and then, including one with the Shadowrun title over the left breast area, with a big S on the back. It's pretty spiffy, if I do say so myself.
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The primary issue is IP laws. If the company knows about creation of items that infringes on it's IP, they have to take legal action in some way or else lose the IP. (Or something to that matter.).
There are some ways around the issue, such as the disclaimer that provides for the legal creation of fan websites (http://www.shadowrun4.com/legal/). Actually, um, I think I found our answer right there.
As I said before, I may be totally wrong, but I see getting a one-off t-shirt that you made for personal use to be on the same level as getting a tattoo of something similar. I mean, my brother-in-law and I both have bat-symbol tattoos and Outrider45 has a nice Ghost Bear logo tattooed on his leg. Again, I may be totally wrong (and if I am, hopefully someone will let me know), but I don't see it as infringement as long as you're not trying to make money off it.
Hey thanks FastJack I appriciate that but why were you checking out my legs...again? :o
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Everyone knows the only good battletech tattoo is the Combine logo or better yet, Smithson's Chinese Bandits.
I briefly considered a SR or Comet of Sigmar tattoo but have yet to take the plunge. I am not a tattoo or piercing kind of dude :P
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I would like to see some:
- in world Shadowband T-Shirts, sort of a tongue-in-cheek towards indies/scenesters.
- some slang definitions?
- the old stand-by geek jokes, "___________s do it _____ _______."
EDIT:
Pictures of the guns and game stats.
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I believe someone mentioned the Ares Predator shirts?
Well my curiosity got the best of me and I totally have two on order. ;D
Check it out. http://www.cafepress.com/dohproductions/5874802 (http://www.cafepress.com/dohproductions/5874802)
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I was the one that mentioned it. You're welcome.
It's been getting a lot of use recently, but still no game. :'(
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I believe someone mentioned the Area Predator shirts?
Well my curiosity got the best of me and I totally have two on order. ;D
Check it out. http://www.cafepress.com/dohproductions/5874802 (http://www.cafepress.com/dohproductions/5874802)
That's just awesome....too bad it's not payday yet :-)
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I suggest multiple series of Ts and sweatshirts with the core book covers - maybe just the cover art, but maybe with the titles.
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The Predator shirt is now on my Christmas wish-list. +1.
Here's another idea: How about an official Panther Cozy? A long, narrow, insulated duffel bag with the SR logo on the ends, and the Panther XXL depicted on the side. (I don't know if there's an actual brand-name with it, or any kind of advertising blurbs.)
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"I'm not concealing an assault cannon" written in bright yellow on the side?
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Or "Ce n'est pas un canon d'assaut".
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"I'm not concealing an assault cannon" written in bright yellow on the side?
Have fun with the TSA. ;)
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"I'm not concealing an assault cannon" written in bright yellow on the side?
Have fun with the TSA. ;)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm already on quite a few lists as is.
I'm surprised I can still fly. ... As far as I know.
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I'm surprised I can still fly.
Please. BattleTech development has been throwing around Jihad, WMDs, terrorist attacks in e-mail for years and nobody's mentioned any extra treatment when flying. Nor have they mentioned the party van hanging around. ;)
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I have another one for on a T-shirt:
the logo of Saeder-Krupp with the text 'Loffy for the win'.
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The female human hacker from my very first group frequently went on jobs wearing her famed "I'm with shadowrunner →" black tee.
It was amazing seeing her pull her Con (Seduction) stunts wearing that.
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The female human hacker from my very first group frequently went on jobs wearing her famed "I'm with shadowrunner →" black tee.
It was amazing seeing her pull her Con (Seduction) stunts wearing that.
DO WANT.
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My old Elven Street Sam wore offensive t-shirts all the time, because he was an asshole. One of my favorites was "Got Muscle Augmentation?" with an arrow pointing downward to his crotch. Another was "I LOVE METAHUMANS (they're delicious)," and "MOTHERS OF METAHUMANS (are easy)" (with the MoM logo, etc).
Ahhh, good times, good times.
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I just noticed that "Apparel (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=28_199)" is now listed on the BattleCorps...
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The one problem with the places that do custom Tee's is that they are always a bit... Limited in size. I need to find p-laces that can handle Ork and Trolls sizes.
Bull
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yeah but at least they cut you a little break when you bring in your own shirts to be used