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She seems intriguing.
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I agree, it's kinda scattered around in the books but from what I've gathered 16ish year old elf, NeoNet citizen, damn fine hacker, seems to have some kind of relationship with Pistons, and Kane has taken her under his wing.
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I agree, it's kinda scattered around in the books but from what I've gathered 16ish year old elf, NeoNet citizen, damn fine hacker, seems to have some kind of relationship with Pistons, and Kane has taken her under his wing.
Does she run in the shadows?
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Does she run in the shadows?
Kane seems to think so
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On a part time basis is the impression I get. She still goes to school, however, she's helped Pistons cut cyberware out of people and she tracked down Kane in SLS. There are other examples but those are the big ones I remember.
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Yes, she does. She's the elven hacker in the short fiction piece at the beginning of the The Matrix User chapter of Unwired (page 32).
And last I checked she's 17.
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If any freelancer or dev can answer this I've been curious about who came up with /dev/grrl? Was it someone's character or did she just get created for the books?
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It's a long story.
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/dev/grrl's origins are lost to time (Or is due to someone who didn't fill me in on what's going on.). She filled a role of a naive but highly skilled girl with only a corporate education who could go, "What do you mean Otaku/Dues/Whatever else" and the rest of the JackPointers could expound about the backstory of Shadowrun for the new folks coming in.
This, combined with being exceptionally girly-girl (Her Matrix avatar is a unicorn, for example) lead to her being known as "/derp/grrl" by the fan community. Which made some freelancers want to beef her up and give her a bit of an edge. I threatened to give her some really rough edges back before I was a Freelancer, but was told to play nice.
As they pay me now, I have to. They don't pay me to play nice on the forums, however, which is why my signal/noise ratio sucks so badly. Welcome to the signal part. ;D
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It's a long story.
I have nothing but time. Kinda a sad thing to say but it's the truth.
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I have nothing but time. Kinda a sad thing to say but it's the truth.
Yeah, try how much time I have.
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I will win that battle. Besides 4 hours of (if I'm lucky of) sleep I have nothing but.
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/dev/grrl reminds a char described in the short story "Ca Plus Change". I refer to the target of an extraction made by a group of Shadowrunners. She really like this target: young, matrix expert and with corp parents but the story was settled before the 70s.
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Not here for the longlong ago, BUT, essentially, you need somebody to be the "Huh what?" position, so that you can have exposition now an dthen for thing sthat the characters should know but the players don't. The highest-paid Urban Brawler that gets on all the advertising and is dating that supermodel Elf? Yeah, *everybody* knows who he is, but if you just say "Jefferey Biggens" in the story and don't flush it out, it falls flat. So somebody gets to say "Jeffery Biggens, who's that?" and then you drop detail.
Unfortunately, there are two problems. First, Jackpoint is supposed to be an elite bunch of people hand-picked by Fastjack to gather at his private Matrix location and exchange data, advice, and so on. Why the Hell did he invite this no-nothing 16 year old girl who knows shit about shit? The more realistic writers had to do some real tooth-gnashing over this. Lord knows the community as a whole has as well. :)
Second, and a point which underlines the first, is that she's always been asking and asking and asking, displaying ignorance, which stresses her not belonging even more. This is somewhere between Flanderization, where a character is reduced to a catchphrase and a cameo, and Worf Syndrome, where one person gets to be used as a punching bag so often that they lose all legitimacy.
There were discussions about how to flesh her out, how to show that she belongs, and so on, and a few ideas kicked around, but Bull stepped up and hit a home run for us, so, now, not an issue; lots of people are excited about her, now, and looking forward to where she winds up.
What kinds of info out there otherwise is that she's a teenaged (But has been around for a few years now, so isn't perma-16) Elf girl with red hair and a NeoNet corporate citizen with corp parents. She dabbles in Shadowrunning, has a team, but has recently stepped up her game and got under Kane's wing. She's also a DAMN good hacker and, like Slamm-o, has the older runners realizing that they have to pass the torch down, or at least pass on their collected wisdom.
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I think that about covers it? But if you have more questions, fire away.
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Who'd win in a fist fight her or Turbo Bunny?
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My opinion?
Turbo Bunny.
Give her a year or so under Kane, however, and that could change.
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Is she survives a year under Kane, that's some tough on the job training there.
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Who'd win in a fist fight her or Turbo Bunny?
Turbo.
And, what Wak? No props for her research and actually learning for herself about Safehouses (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/99534/Shadowrun:-Safehouses) and such?
(But to be fair, Bull didn't just hit the home run, it went out of the park and into the car windshield of that guy you really, really hate!).
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Well, I haven't *read* Safehouses yet.
(I hear it was made by some guy who's never even played the game before. Sheesh!)
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Seems like Kane is getting a lot of lames under his wings recently. Dont remember him ever being such philanthropist...guess he is dying and he tries to pay back his old debts, or he had been sucesfully brainwashed with some advanced complex form. Or he is just getting senile.
OK. Move on.
We need more ignorant children posting on top-notch shadowrunners ring.
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Well, I haven't *read* Safehouses yet.
(I hear it was made by some guy who's never even played the game before. Sheesh!)
No, but he's GMed and been a font of knowledge for many years now. ;D
Now if only I could remember his name... It's at the tip of my brain...
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Who'd win in a fist fight her or Turbo Bunny?
Bunny, hands down. She's (a) an actual, fully grown, adult, but also (b) much more of a street rat who's been in combat anyways, as well as (c) an experienced Shadowrunner who's done her fair share of physical runs, not just matrix divin'.
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Something I think people are forgetting is that not everyone on Jackpoint is a seasoned runner. Some of them have simply done something or other to impress Fastjack. Before the craziness of Emergence, Netcat was a fairly raw runner, but came to Fastjack's attention by being able to dive some tough nodes. Not unlikely that this is what happened with /dev/grrl too. Also, Fastjack has gone out of his way to develop a group of people with a wide range of viewpoints and resources. /dev/grrl provides a window into the corp lifestyle, which just happens to be something that a smart runner would like to keep abreast of, especially if he's going to be infiltrating corp property. And there's also the pop culture angle, another facet that a smart runner should want to know about. And who is more in tune with pop culture than teenagers?
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People with taste?
Oh, wait, you said "Pop Culture", taste isn't needed. ;D
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Who'd win in a fist fight her or Turbo Bunny?
I bet my NY on Turbo Bunny.
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Oh, wait, thought of a reason Turbo Bunny might loose. If she fell off the wagon and is chipping again, she might have forgotten small things, like eating. Or using the washroom.
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Who cares about the fist fight couldn't we just watch Turbo Bunny and /dev/grrl wrestle in Jello or something similar.
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TB has history as a beetlehead, yeah, and that's not something that you get over so much as you get the upper hand on. Most of the Jackpointers are clean, but theer are a few with substance, or sim, abuse issues. Heck, there's probably a few that trade war stories in private.
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Who cares about the fist fight couldn't we just watch Turbo Bunny and /dev/grrl wrestle in Jello or something similar.
Let's wait until /dev/ is of legal age first.TB has history as a beetlehead, yeah, and that's not something that you get over so much as you get the upper hand on. Most of the Jackpointers are clean, but theer are a few with substance, or sim, abuse issues. Heck, there's probably a few that trade war stories in private.
One is a BAD addict as well, as Fatima found out the hard way...
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Quite true. We don't hear much out of Haze these days, however. I think he's got the lowest rep score of anyone on Jackpoint.
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Who cares about the fist fight couldn't we just watch Turbo Bunny and /dev/grrl wrestle in Jello or something similar.
Let's wait until /dev/ is of legal age first.
Well, 16-17 is legal in many parts of the US today. And in some jurisdictions it is lower. In 2074, what is legal age in one corp/nation's jurisdiction may be lower than what it is in another. So there's hope for ya, Sim.
Ok, there really isn't, but at least you're not going ga-ga over an underage girl. As much.
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Quite true. We don't hear much out of Haze these days, however. I think he's got the lowest rep score of anyone on Jackpoint.
Clockwork's is still probably lower, but that's because he can't keep his big gob shut.Well, 16-17 is legal in many parts of the US today. And in some jurisdictions it is lower. In 2074, what is legal age in one corp/nation's jurisdiction may be lower than what it is in another. So there's hope for ya, Sim.
Ok, there really isn't, but at least you're not going ga-ga over an underage girl. As much.
They've almost outright said that 18 was legal age, so that's probably what it is by Neonet Law.
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Actually, my Current Project (tm) boosts Clockwork up a bit.
Not a TON, but some.
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What, he's going to actually not mouth off how he sold his Grandmother to AZT for a fistful of nuyen or how it feels great every time he sells out a Technomancer?
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Psychotropic IC can make even hardened bigots forget who they hate.
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What, he's going to actually not mouth off how he sold his Grandmother to AZT for a fistful of nuyen or how it feels great every time he sells out a Technomancer?
Well, no, he's gonna keep doing THAT, but, you know, he has other aspects.
(Also, that he didn't get to chip in for steampunk clothing is a shame! He's *Clockwork* for Pete's sake! He should be all over that.)
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Psychotropic IC can make even hardened bigots forget who they hate.
Doesn't Bull have some nasty stuff that he's kept around for just such types of people?
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Psychotropic IC can make even hardened bigots forget who they hate.
Or can make someone to hate even more...
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Kane's comments on page 35 of Corporate Guide are kinda interesting considering the current relationship. /dev/grrl was sixteen then, which makes her 17 to 18 now.
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She's 17 unless she turned 18 and no one told me.
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Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
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Psychotropic IC can make even hardened bigots forget who they hate.
Doesn't Bull have some nasty stuff that he's kept around for just such types of people?
I'm rereading Attitude currently, and it would seem Clockwork may have been affected by Tarder Hillman who is rumored to be a complicated psychological algorithm used by militaries to brainwash enemy populations (pg 110). Tarder Hillman writes books for Horizon. :o
Dun dun dun?
Kane's comments on page 35 of Corporate Guide are kinda interesting considering the current relationship. /dev/grrl was sixteen then, which makes her 17 to 18 now.
I don't think Kane would actually go there for a few reasons, Kat being the biggest.
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Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
I think you're wrong.
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Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
I think you're wrong.
I think she'll get an Ogrehammer.
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/dev/grrl reminds a char described in the short story "Ca Plus Change". I refer to the target of an extraction made by a group of Shadowrunners. She really like this target: young, matrix expert and with corp parents but the story was settled before the 70s.
Loved that story. That soft cover SR2's opening pages are well worn...
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Well, I haven't *read* Safehouses yet.
(I hear it was made by some guy who's never even played the game before. Sheesh!)
No, but he's GMed and been a font of knowledge for many years now. ;D
Now if only I could remember his name... It's at the tip of my brain...
Hmm, i have gamed once and GMed once. Maybe i should mail some examples...
Nah, people go nuts whenever i give my take on the rules.
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TB has history as a beetlehead, yeah, and that's not something that you get over so much as you get the upper hand on. Most of the Jackpointers are clean, but theer are a few with substance, or sim, abuse issues. Heck, there's probably a few that trade war stories in private.
There is also at least one that need metahuman substances in their diet...
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Psychotropic IC can make even hardened bigots forget who they hate.
Doesn't Bull have some nasty stuff that he's kept around for just such types of people?
A orc throttling a hobgoblin for being a bigot, quite the irony ;)
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Kane's comments on page 35 of Corporate Guide are kinda interesting considering the current relationship. /dev/grrl was sixteen then, which makes her 17 to 18 now.
Dunno why, but i have this impression that the CAS has dropped their legal age some years. Not sure where it got it from tho.
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Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
I think you're wrong.
Why not?
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Kane's comments on page 35 of Corporate Guide are kinda interesting considering the current relationship. /dev/grrl was sixteen then, which makes her 17 to 18 now.
I don't think Kane would actually go there for a few reasons, Kat being the biggest.
Threesome?
Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
I think you're wrong.
I think she'll get an Ogrehammer.
That just might cause a bit of a stir with her whitebread parents who don't know she's a Shadowrunner.
As for why she won't get extracted for her birthday, the answer is simple, while she could survive in the 'real' world, what would her parents do outside of corp-ville? /dev/grrl doesn't seem like the type to ditch her parents and never talk to them again.
However, after graduation she may decide not to take a job with NeoNET, and instead go into 'business' for herself as a 'freelance matrix security and data recovery consultant'. That way, she could still be a runner, and wouldn't have burned the bridges with the family. Of course, maintaining a semi-legit cover takes work, but if she convinced everyone she was a regular corp brat thus far, she could pull it off.
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Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
I think you're wrong.
Why not?
For reasons we're not going to discuss here.
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Honestly, I think the JackPoint crowd is going to extract her from her Corporate Hellhole for her 18th Birthday Present. ;D
I think you're wrong.
Why not?
For reasons we're not going to discuss here.
She's DOOOMED! She wont make it to her 18th birthday... Either that or she will extract herself by then in some sort of emancipation rite... or the corp will realise she has been running the shadows and 'recruit' her to inflitrate jackpoint and keep an eye on the elite of the elite.
But I'm going with doomed and bug spirits. Cause everything should have a bug spirit... Hmmm... bug spirits inflitrate NeoNet, take ove mid-level corper... shadowrunner wannabee suddenly finds father is a corperbee...spirit... ok.. too far...
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the corp will realise she has been running the shadows and 'recruit' her to inflitrate jackpoint and keep an eye on the elite of the elite.
You assume that she hasn't been doing this all along...
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/dev/grrl reminds a char described in the short story "Ca Plus Change". I refer to the target of an extraction made by a group of Shadowrunners. She really like this target: young, matrix expert and with corp parents but the story was settled before the 70s.
Loved that story. That soft cover SR2's opening pages are well worn...
That story made Shadowrun for me, I truly believe it's a must read for everyone who plays. Yeah, the Sega game was my first introduction to Shadowrun, but that piece of fiction made me "get it".
I miss those days. :'(