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Lycus

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« on: <09-21-10/1048:29> »
Is it just my lack of corporate expertise but is Lufthansa owned by two corps?

Pg. 148 Saeder-Krupp Notable subsidiaries. Lufthansa Group

Pg. 202 Maersk. Major subsidiaries. Lufthansa AG
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« Reply #1 on: <09-22-10/0443:51> »
That could be a mistake or maybe Maersk bough Lufthansa AG form Lufthansa Group, as the former does sound like subsidiary of the latter.
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« Reply #2 on: <10-08-10/1331:22> »
Mistake most likely. According to established German material, Lufthansa should be S-K. Used to belong to IFMU, and when they faltered S-K snatched up most of it. IIRC.

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« Reply #3 on: <11-06-10/2312:51> »
It could easily be both, if you look at the American defense industry, portions of companies are bought up all the time by different corps.

Portions of Westinghouse, variously called "Westinghouse Electric Company", "Westinghouse Electric Corporation", "Westinghouse", etc, are owned by CBS, BNFL, Northrop Grumman, Toshiba, Invensys, I could go on all day like this. (sources: www.wikipedia.org, http://www.northropgrumman.com/heritage/index.html) I'm honestly probably missing a few of the current owners of a Westinghouse company.

The fact that one's "Lufthansa Group" and the other is "Lufthansa AG" further suggests this interpretation, where "Group" is the holding company, and AG would have been one of the wholly owned subsidiary.

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That Northrop Grumman link is actually probably a pretty good show of just how a megacorp forms and grows from real life. I wouldn't be surprised if the other big boys have similar pages.
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« Reply #4 on: <12-28-10/1633:12> »
Here's the list  put together some time ago. I forgot to post it there back then.

- page 24 : The military strike against Aztechnology took place in 2048, not 2044, according to several book, including Corporate Guide, page 65.
- page 26 : The text on Horizon representative Emma Binghampton mentions someone called "Lightford".
- page 27 and 157 : Jean-Claude Priault is seating on the Corporate Court on page 26, and no longer does on page 157.
- page 49 : The quote "A new era for the UCAS, a new Ares for the UCAS" was Nadja Daviar's, not Kyle Haeffner, according to Corporate Download, page 37.
- page 53 : Major David Gavilan worked at Acquisition Technologies before the Crash, according to the Dragonheart Trilogy novels.
- page 26, 54 and 56 : Ares' representative Michele Borden is said to be a former eco-lawyer on page 26 and 56, and a former Cross legal counselor on page 54.
- page 57 : EuroForce is an European multilateral military unit, not a business company that could compete with Ares Arms, according to Shadows of Europe, page 20.
- page 62 and 69 : Esprit is listed as a subsidiary of Aztechnology on page 62, and said to be a competitor of Aztechnology on page 69.
- page 62, 69, 70 and 71 : Carrefour is not listed as a notable subsidiary but get mentioned three times as having large presence on three different continents. May aply to a lesser extent to Lider.
- page 67 : Oliver McClure "allegedly owes his stock and board seat to the great dragon Dunkelzahn". It is more than allegation, it is written in the dragon's Will, Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets, page 33.
- page 70 : anonymous posting.
- page 78 : "minor shareholders" are listed as "major shareholders".
- page 78 : Post says Yamatetsu joined the PPG around 2064. Yamatetsu was a founding member of the PPG in 2059, according to Blood in the Boardroom, page 72.
- page 87 and 152 : Evo position in the Middle East oil exploitation on page 87 doesn't seem consistent with S-K position as described on page 152, as well as Corporate Download, pages 86-87 Target: Wastelands, pages 37-38, and Shadows of Asia, pages 15, 99, 103, 105
- page 88 : "Tsuruga International deals exclusively in concrete, plascrete and ferrocrete road construction." Tsuruga previously was an international shipping company, according to Blood in the Boardroom, page 81 and Corporate Download, page 110.
- page 80 and 88 : ATRP is in Cheyenne, Sioux Nation on page 80. ATRP is in Baltimore, UCAS, on page 88.
- page 108 and 110 : it should read "Mitsuhama Computer Technologies" instead of "Mitsuhama Computer Technology".
- page 122 : "other minor shareholders" are listed as major shareholders
- page 124 : MCT did not appear before the Corporate Court when Fuchi and Renraku did in 2059, according to Blood in the Boardroom, pages 35-37 and 40, or Technobabel.
- page 122, 124 and 131 : it should read "JRJ International" instead of "JRJ Industries".
- page 128 : Lynn Osborne name is misspelled Osbourne
- page 131 : Trans-Latvia was based in Latvia, according to Shadows of Europe, page 40.
- page 141 : Shikei Nakatomi's father Kiyoshi founded Fuchi, not his grandfather, according to Blood in the Boardroom, pages 22-24.
- page 148 and 150-151: "portions of AG Chemie Europa" are listed as S-K subsidiaries on page 148. S-K liquidated assets that include member companies of the AG Chemie consortium on page 150-151.
- page 148, 202 203, 206 and 207 : Lufthansa is an S-K subsidiary on page 148, a Maersk subsidiary on pages 202 to 207
- page 150 : Eminence grise.
- page 168 : Shiawase doesn't match the real definition of a keiretsu (that is, a group of companies with mutual shareholding, without a top company).
- page 178 : The PPG wasn't officially formed before 2059, according to Blood in the Boardroom, page 72.
- page 184 : The "other old man of the board", James Harper-Smythe, would be 43 years old in 2072, since he was 32 in 2062, according to Corporate Download, page 107.
- page 202 : The security service providers top ten doesn't include Wolverine, Centurion and Eagle Security, which were the second tier of the industry, right behind LSSS and KE, according to Vice, pages 180-181
- page 202 : Tyr and Sternchutz are not listed under parent company Maersk and FBA, while all the other corps are (Ares for KE, and so on).
- page 211 : Since Manadyne uses Greek creature nomenclature, I guess it should read "Cerberus" instead of "Cerebrus".
- page 211, 213 and 214 : Herstal is listed as a major division on page 211, but the text refers to Fabrique Nationale on page 213 and 214. This is the same company, "Fabrique Nationale de Herstal" or FN Herstal.

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« Reply #5 on: <01-13-11/2000:24> »
- page 130 : "His network of contacts is rumored to rival those of jet-set icon Norman Spinrad or the French noble families."
Norman Spinrad is an existing sci-fi author. The jet-set icon in Shadowrun is more like to be Johnny Spinrad, mentioned in Dragons of the Sixth World, page 106, SOTA:2064, page 151, and Corporate Guide, page 150 and 159.

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« Reply #6 on: <04-05-11/1416:19> »
page 35: CD/Common Denominator is owned by Horizon, not Evo

page 65: in 2065 Horizon snapped up a seat on the Corporate Court not the (presumably Pueblo) Corporate Council.

page 95: Sunshine works for KSAF, not KSFA

Possible errata, possible that it just needs clarification: The section on Monobe says that Weapons World is a subsidiary of theirs, but many sources (Corporate Download, Arsenal) previous to Corporate Guide have stated Ares owns Weapons World.

Edited: changed last item due to new information presented below
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« Reply #7 on: <05-11-11/1508:22> »
Possible errata, possible that it just needs clarification: The section on Monobe says that Weapons World is a subsidiary of theirs, but all sources previous to Corporate Guide have stated Ares owns Weapons World.
Not all. Weapons World was a Monobe subsidiary by 2054 in Corporate Shadowfiles. Then, it was an Ares Macrotechnology subsidiary by 2061 in Corporate Download.

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« Reply #8 on: <10-05-11/1458:39> »
Mistake most likely. According to established German material, Lufthansa should be S-K. Used to belong to IFMU, and when they faltered S-K snatched up most of it. IIRC.

Wrong According to established German material (german Runner Havens and other) Lufthansa was indipendent until Crash 2.0. Afterwards it was integrated into Maersk. S-K has its own airline (Old World Airways, german Corporate Enclaves), so it won't  need the Lufthansa. Also that the DeMeKo and the Treuhand is part of S-K is wrong. S-K just ons some of the stack, but not the hole coproration, and hey are not their subsidiaries.

So it's a mistake in the English Version.
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