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DerVerrater

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« on: <01-06-11/1509:40> »
Hi guys,

I intend to be the ground breaker in my group and run shadowrun for a bunch that have never played it or ran it, me included. I however am confused with regards to electonics and such in the game, In the artwork i often see a lot of HUD like projections (Such as the Unwired cover art) and i was wondering if this was an artistic representation of what the characters in the art are seeing or if electonics/software actually project such information for the world to see.

Thanks in advance,
                        Der

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« Reply #1 on: <01-06-11/1523:45> »
A little of both, actually.

With the advent of Augmented Reality in the new Wireless Matrix, runners live in an iconographic world where digital ads and such float through the air and interact with your own PAN.

However, to see this, you either need to be a Technomancer, have glasses/contacts/goggles/etc. manufactured that allow you to see the AR, or get 'ware installed on your eyes (or replace 'em) to have somewhere for AR to appear for you to see.

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« Reply #2 on: <01-06-11/1558:26> »
A thank you on behalf of my self and my players  :D back to reading everything i can to improve the game experience for my players :)

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« Reply #3 on: <01-06-11/2359:54> »
A question I always had was of one's own set of AR screens, which ones do other people see?  Or do people just always see you interact with thin air and they can only see their own PAN's AR screens.
My own interpretation is that just for shear safety and order it makes sense that certain AR screens are by default visible to everybody (with an imagelink, simsense or a technomancer of course) but maybe it's blurry, like the way Windows Vista paints the icons which are behind the "glass" on the top of your browser windows.  This is so you know the user is interacting with AR and might be distracted but you can't read what's on it.  Then it makes sense that a user can instantly make an AR screen visible to anyone he wants it to be visible and legible to.  Like say you go into a grimey bar looking for someone and you can just flash up an AR screen of a picture of that person and even shoot it to other parts of the room far away from you.  With AR gloves or simsense you can just grab it pull it towards you and manipulate it like a mouse manipulates windows icons.  It also makes sense that a person could make any AR window invisible to anyone they choose it to be invisible towards. 

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« Reply #4 on: <01-07-11/0131:42> »
Hey chummer! Psst. Over here. Yeah, that's it. So, you're new to the sprawl and wondering why everyone at the mall looks half zoned out or laughing at nothing like a half-crazed tusker. I got your back. I had a cousin who grew up with the tribals, real back-to-lander types. He would duck every time I said, "see that ARO?" Took him a while to get used to it, but now he's a wiz at the AR.

First you're gunna need a commlink. Nothing too fancy, just enough to make the wannabe's drool. That is unless you fancy yourself a hacker. But you don't look like a hacker to me, no no, more like you belong on the docs. Haulin' cargo's bout the same as haulin' hay, right omae.

Not an insult! Not an insult! There you go, you can put me down now. Everything's real wiz here, we're all frosty.

Okay, so you got your commlink and now hold it up. See on the display there, the video camera on the other side is feeding to your display, like a little camcorder back in the day or one of those, what'd they call'em...smartphones, yeah, that's it. So the camera feed is being modified by wifi signals that your commlink is picking up from nearby RFID tags and that information is being displayed on the screen. Point the commlink camera at that Ad sign over there, that's right, the one for Super Slim's Soycaf, there, you see it on the screen, that's an Augmented Reality Object, ARO, that's right "arrow." Now use the little track ball to move the curser over it, that's right, just like the intertubes of old, click on it. There, see a menu of soycaf drinks and you could choose one, order it, and by the time you get in the mall it'll be ready and waiting and the money already out of your account. Turn the volume on on your commlink...see, nice little Super Slim's jingle to go along with the menu.

Now technically that's all you need, but even with some sporty headphone's you'll still look like some poor schlob from the outskirts of nowhere, all holding up your commlink like some tourist with a 1980's camera stumbling all over everyone.

So what you absolutely have to have is some glasses, they even have them with built in earbud headphones. You wireless-link the glasses to your commlink and wammo! Right there in your field of vision you're seeing the arrows...but you still need to use the roller ball or pad on your commlink to select any of them...but that's why they made the gloves. Gloves? Well, I'll tell you. Gloves, or finger-rings, or what ever style suits you. Now, with those linked to your commlink your gestures in the air will allow you to select the arrows, scroll through the menus, hell, even bring up your own arrows, like a keypad to call whom ever you want.

What's that? Oh, yeah, no, if someone else is ordering off the Soycaf menu you won't see what they choose, everyone gets their own personal menu. Just like no one'll see you browsing the Whispers' Lingerie catalog just outside the store. But take the Rock'em Rumbler's Arcade, you can go in there and get into the AR ring and have a boxing match with another person. Your AR Tyson will be visible to the other player, and anyone else who wants to watch, for a fee of course, and you'll be able to see your opponent's AR boxer and you'll both see the punches as each of you thrown 'em and dodge 'em as you stand just outside the actual boxing ring they got set up in there. If you're real good, you'll still be able to bring up your key pad to make a call and tell yer friends how yer kickin' this guys ass.

Oh, but you'll need a mic if you don't want to talk into your commlink, but they make those in the glasses if you want. You can get 'em separately if you want contacts instead of glasses, but you're a glasses man, aint'cha.

So there you go, a commlink, a fancy pair of sunglasses with built in earbuds and microphone and a handy pair of AR gloves and your set to go. Only 200¥, great. There you go. Enjoy. Your ready to fully immerse yourself in AR. Well, kinda, but you're good.

What's that? Oh. Nothing. Well, see, you're not getting the "real" experience. Well, yeah, like I said, glasses, gloves, commlink and you're set, but there's much more! You see, take that soycaf ad for example. Bet you didn't know that right along with that jingle there's the smell of the soycaf and the warm feel of a fresh cup against your hands, even a slight taste of the hot liquid on your lips and tongue, but you won't get that with the glasses and gloves, no sir.

I was just getting to that! To get the full experience you'll need some a sim module and some trodes. Sim mod just attaches to your commlink and translates the extra info, er data, to and from your brain. Doesn't look like you've got a datajack, if you had one of them it'd be easy, just plug in your commlink, with sim mod, to your datajack. But with out that you've got to use trodes. Hell, they even make 'em so they fit right under that baseball cap of yours. So the trodes, they send signals right to yer brain, pow, and they sense the electrical signals off yer brain too! Takes a bit to get the hang of 'em, but every pair comes with a Mind Over Matter: Your New Trodes tutorial lesson. So once you get the hang of it, you'll be seeing, feeling, smelling, tasting, and hearing every byte worth of information they pack into them RFIDs buggers. Just don't hang to long around them lingerie stores in them tight jeans, or you're gunna get laughed at by the clerks. Nothing worse than cute girls giggling at'cha.

Just another 300¥. Yup, now you're totally set. Off you go and you're ready to roll. What's that. No. Well, I don't take no returns. I know, you don't need the glasses and gloves no more, but hey...HEY! Wait a minute! No returns I said, get your hands off me! Hey Skud! SKUD! Get over here! This guy thinks he can return purchases through force!

*Edited cummer to chummer, le sigh.
« Last Edit: <01-07-11/2147:24> by Fizzygoo »
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« Reply #5 on: <01-07-11/0236:45> »
As above in the flavor text, you're not going to see someone else's AR windows unless they want you to. On the other hand, AR can be made to function more or less like reality. Bring up a document, tap it twice to make it public and slide it across the table. If Mr. Johnson picks it up and puts it in his pocket your two commlinks negotiate the exchange no sweat. Such ARO's (Alternate Reality Objects) work on more or less the same principles as VR. An ARO that looks like a key might be a hacking program, a passcode, a porn file or a virus. If your commlink is automatically analyzing files that it gets offered, it'll pop-ip its analysis somewhere near the ARO so you know what it is.

As an aside, my favorite use for an ARO at the moment is in my Face character's car. It has a virtual personality program that anyone with AR sees as the limo driver. She's a better driver than the Face, so he usually just sits in the back while she does the work.

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« Reply #6 on: <01-07-11/1848:44> »
I still feel that there would be some kind of industry standard guidelines to AR.  In a lot of the SR4 art you see a lot of AR screens, and i don't think you need to necessarily interpret those as an interpretation of what the person in the picture is seeing, I think it could be viewed by a 3rd party, even without explicit permission.  Just like the way they talk about safety features so that people don't take a walk off a building just because the "Emerald City" AR reality filter shows there's a bridge where there really is none.  In the same way, just like they have "deaf child in the area" signs on the road, i'm sure there's guidelines so that people's AR screens are visible but blurred, just like the way Windows Vista blurs icons which lie behind the "glass" edges of program windows.  The content isn't legible but the 3rd party person knows when other people are looking at AR and potentially more distracted than if they were just looking off into space.  This would also add to the feel of the world which in well-off more modernized parts of town are flush with ARO's and everybody walking down the street has got something flashing in front of their faces.  Now i'm sure you could definitely disable this feature and always run your ARO's invisible but it would come with a Warning message.  I also think it wouldn't be socially acceptable to hide all your ARO's....privacy and secrecy are a commodity in the corporate ruled areas of the sixth world. 

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« Reply #7 on: <01-07-11/1921:33> »
Fizzygoo, well done.  Well done sir.

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« Reply #8 on: <01-07-11/1935:19> »
Fizzygoo, well done.  Well done sir.
Agreed. I'm going to copy this as a handout to explain it all to new players. ;)


Edit: In fact, here you go. ;D

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« Reply #9 on: <01-07-11/1940:19> »
Nice work.  That's a lot better than my, "It's like the glasses the one guy in Heavy Rain has.  Only less gay." explanation.  :D

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« Reply #10 on: <01-07-11/2056:05> »
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Thanks guys. That's so fragging perfect, the old SR pic you used, Fastjack, I'm still laughing it's so perfect.

I did that shtick (though not as fleshed out) to one of my players the other night who asked the very same question you asked, DerVerrater. Was perfect timing :D
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« Reply #11 on: <01-07-11/2309:31> »
Hellz ya Fastjack!!  Kudos to Fizzygoo! 

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« Reply #12 on: <01-08-11/0658:27> »
That's pretty much what i made this thread for. :)
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« Reply #13 on: <01-11-11/0806:18> »
As I recall don't comlinks come with limited holographic projection?

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« Reply #14 on: <01-11-11/0832:54> »
As I recall don't comlinks come with limited holographic projection?

You mean this?

Tech always moves faster than fiction. ;)