[CanRay]

But hey, at least the Ogre Hammer's just one piece of Restricted Gear.

Yeah, it's a nice package for one RG quality, i just think it's really sad that it doesn't come with a smartlink.

Hellboy:  "Look, Sammy, I'm not a very good shot...  But the Samaritan here uses really big bullets."

[Mäx]

But hey, at least the Ogre Hammer's just one piece of Restricted Gear.

Yeah, it's a nice package for one RG quality, i just think it's really sad that it doesn't come with a smartlink.

Hellboy:  "Look, Sammy, I'm not a very good shot...  But the Samaritan here uses really big bullets."

Not really valid, as a troll revolver like Samaritan is very unlikely to cost 38k nuyen or even 10K.

[CanRay]

But the Ogre Hammer fires really big bullets as well.   

[squee_nabob]

The B&P MP9 is a very good Machine Pistol. I rank it as the best if you have a cyberarm gyromount/gyrostabilizer. Even without, it gives the Crusader (my previous #1 pick) a run for its money.

[Chrona]

Are there any revolvers in it?

[KommissarK]

There are two I think. They don't bring anything particularly new to the table though. Neither are vintage, ones a light pistol, others a heavy. I think one is intended for trolls and has a built in metahuman customization.

[CanRay]

Are there any revolvers in it?

Two.  Moderate stats, not very good art, but better than the other firearms in the book for new weapons.

The Crunch and Fluff don't QUITE match IMHO.  Bu that's me.

[Ethan]

The Ruger Bloodhawk is quite Meh. It's better to take a Super Warhawk and modify it for Troll or very large Ork use instead.

For 50¥ LESS than the Bloodhawk, you can modify a Ruger Super Warhawk with Metahuman Customization and an Internal Smartgun system. Add the 50¥ for a Skinlink. (For +400¥ you can make it fire Semi-Auto and add a Personalized Grip to deal with the Recoil.)

Sticks said it best on the Bloodhawk entry. Also, the Bloodhawk fluff entry says it can be used as a weapon... but the gun lacks Melee Hardening. For its price I think that should have been built-in.

[Kontact]

The Ruger Bloodhawk is quite Meh. It's better to take a Super Warhawk and modify it for Troll or very large Ork use instead.

For 50¥ LESS than the Bloodhawk, you can modify a Ruger Super Warhawk with Metahuman Customization and an Internal Smartgun system. Add the 50¥ for a Skinlink. (For +400¥ you can make it fire Semi-Auto and add a Personalized Grip to deal with the Recoil.)

Sticks said it best on the Bloodhawk entry. Also, the Bloodhawk fluff entry says it can be used as a weapon... but the gun lacks Melee Hardening. For its price I think that should have been built-in.

You don't have to buy metahuman customization for any weapon at chargen, but, yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts on that gun.  Makes no sense.


I like this book as a GM more than as a player.  This book is full of the kind of guns barrens gangs should be packing.

[CanRay]

I like this book as a GM more than as a player.  This book is full of the kind of guns barrens gangs should be packing.

I think that was the point.

"Jeeze, look at this beautiful Ares Predator I, and how poorly that gutterpunk kept you.  Don't worry, Daddy will give you a good home!"

[Thermo]

I'm a little bummed that the Steyr Minotaur Anti-Material Rifle doesn't seem to have any advantages over the Barret 121. Sure, it has an imaging scope and an advanced safety, but it loses the silencer and the smartgun link! Not to mention that it has less armor penetration, is single shot (vs Barret's single action), and it costs 33% more! I just don't get it.

[CanRay]

I'm a little bummed that the Steyr Minotaur Anti-Material Rifle doesn't seem to have any advantages over the Barret 121. Sure, it has an imaging scope and an advanced safety, but it loses the silencer and the smartgun link! Not to mention that it has less armor penetration, is single shot (vs Barret's single action), and it costs 33% more! I just don't get it.

Marketing and sales.  Steyr sells more than just that rifle, whereas Barret is a specialist.

Buy a brace of Steyr AUG-CSLs and Steyr TMPs, get a discount on the Minotaurs that make them competitive against the Barret.  Without the added maintenance costs of a Smartlink or Silencer.  And everyone knows Bolt Actions are more reliable and accurate anyhow, so they have that on their side as well.

[UmaroVI]

The B&P MP-9 is really good.

The Onatori Equalizer would be really good, but it's a FA weapon with 12(c) ammo... yeah. Maybe if you have Nimble Fingers so you can reload it with free actions, but even then, it's eating your free actions.

The Ogre Hammer I am honestly not sold on but there is a fair argument to be made for it, since it's only 1 RG at chargen and it gets you a nice assault cannon (albeit overshadowed by the much better Gauss Rifle) and a nice commlink at the same time. I can see it being a reasonable option.

Other than that, the guns are for show or for silly.

[CanRay]

Well, a lot of them were at one time.

I mean, honestly, a 3-shot repeating bolt-action rifle?

[Critias]

Remember, in-universe Gun Heaven's mostly obsolete stuff, that's just statted up for reference.  So in a way it makes sense for the go-to guns of the early/mid 2070s to be better...it makes for a kind of weird sourcebook, maybe, since it's not full of awesome cutting-edge stuff, but in-universe it makes sense, at least.