Shadowrun
Shadowrun Play => Play-by-Post => Topic started by: Volker on <09-19-15/0757:32>
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This is the OOC thread of BBPH. Please post your characters here. Until all three of you posted their characters, please use Street Scum OOC for questions, discussions and so on. I'd like to have your characters on the first page.
Thanks :)
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Name: Byron Cross
Street name: Scarcrow
Gender: Male
Metatype: Troll
[spoiler]Initiative: 6+1d6
Lifting/Carrying: 120 kg/80 kg (STRx15/10)
Judge intentions: 6 (CHA+INT)
Composure: 7 (CHA+WIL)
Memory: 6 (LOG+WIL)
Intimidation: 8 + X
Perception: 5d6t5
1 edge spent for running after FY[/spoiler]
Mental limit: 4
Physical limit: 8
Social limit: 4
Priorities:
A: Metatype (troll)
B: Attributes (20)
C: Money (140k)
D: Skills (22)
E: Mundane
Attributes:
Body 6 (9/10)
Agility 4 (6)
Strength 6 (8 )
Reaction 3
Intuition 3
Logic 2
Charisma 3
Willpower 3
(>> 20 plus the given 11)
Edge 6
Armor: 12 + 3 + 1 = 17 (Head: 2 + 3 + 1 = 6)
Skills:
Unarmed...........................2 (5)
Blades...............................5 (+2: sword)
Exotic melee-weapons........1
Throwing weapons.............3
Automatics.........................6
First-aid.............................1
Running.............................2
Intimidation.........................5
Etiquette............................1
Perception..........................2
Computer...........................1
Knowing/Language-skills
English (native)
Nepali 3
Area Knowledge 2
Weapons 2
Heavy-metal 1
Cyberware 1
Underground 1
Qualities:
Toughness 9
High pain tolerance (rating 2) 14
Distinctive style (completely scarred face) -5
Uneducated -8
Incompetent (can't drive) -5
Gear
Fake SIn (rating 3) (7.500)
Fake license: possession of firearm (rating 3) (1,5k)
Fake license: possession of ballistic shield (rating 3) (1.500)
Fake license: carry of firearm (rating 3) (1,5k)
Fake license: medical augmentations (rating 2) (1k)
Titanium-bone-lacing bod+3, armor+3, unarmed +3 (30k)
Muscle-Replacement str&agi +2: (50k)
Comlink: Renruka Sensei 2k + (1k)
Flashlight (25)
Biomonitor (300)
Cybereyes (rating 2) with low-light-vision, flare-compensation, smart-link, vision enhancment 2 (20500)
Quick-draw-holster (400) >> Quick-draw for throwing-knifes -1
Medkit (rating 3) (750)
2x Antidote patch (rating 3) (200)
1 Trauma patch (500)
3× Medkit supplies (300)
Armor
Helmet armor+2(100)
Armor jacket armor+12 (1k) , fire resistance 2 (500), nonconductivity 2 (500), insulation 2 (500)
Ballistic shield armor+6 (1,2k)
Weapons:
Stoner-Ares M202 ACC 5, Damage 10P, AP–3 with external smartgun system (7200) + gas-vent-system (rating 3) (600)
Accuracy 5 (6) Damage: 9P AP –2 (5,8k)
10x Flash bang Damage: 10S, Radius 10m (1000)
2x Flash-pak (250)
50x APDS-Ammo (automatics): AP-4 (6.000)
50x Gel-Ammo (automatics): AP+1 (1.250)
150x Plain, normal, boring standard-Ammo(automatics) (3k)
Sword ACC 6, STR+3, reach 1, Ap-2 (500)
Shock gloves 8S, AP-5 (550)
Knucks Damage: STR+1 (100)
20 Throwing-knives Damage: STR+1, AP-1 (50)
Contacts
Liz (cyberdoc) Loyalty 3, Connection 1
Ashish, "the rat" (smuggler) Loyalty 2, Connection 3
Lifestyle
Low (4.000 per month)
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Meet Seargent Ryan "Cinder" Laird:
Half-Irish half-Nepali member of the Kathmandu Police forces. One of the last idealistic cops in the country. Since his own nephew (Tavi) has vanished he has taken a special interest in the street rats of the city. He's heard rumors about a certain temple and asked two of his not-so-legal contacts/friends/people who owe him to help with an unofficial investigation...
(I used Made Man to represent his active duty within the police:
COST: 5 KARMA
As a minor member of an organized crime syndicate, the character can occasionally call on its resources. At the time of purchase, select a crime syndicate as a free Group Contact (see Group or Organization Contact Options, p. 176). As the character is an actual member of the syndicate, Loyalty is increased to 3 instead of starting at 1. This status also allows him to use the syndicate as a reliable fence for stolen goods (they get thirty percent of the items’ value) or as a source for stolen and restricted goods (ten percent price reduction and a +1 dice pool modifier for the Availability Test). Everything comes with a price, though. The character is expected to participate in syndicate work, taking at least twenty hours of his time every week in a standard campaign, and costing the character one out of every four weeks in Missions play.)
== Info ==
Street Name: Cinder
Name: Ryan Laird
Movement: 12/24
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0
Elf male Age 38
Height 1,89 Weight 79
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 9
Lift/Carry: 8 (75 kg/50 kg)
Memory: 8
Nuyen: 1122
== Priorities ==
Metatype: D(1) - Human or Elf
Attributes: A(4) - 24 Attributes
Special: E(0) - Mundane
Skills: A(4) - 46 Skills/10 Skill Groups
Resources: D(1) - 50,000¥
== Attributes ==
BOD: 3
AGI: 6
REA: 5 (6)
STR: 5
CHA: 3
INT: 6
LOG: 3
WIL: 5
EDG: 2
== Derived Attributes ==
Essence: 2,12
Initiative: 11 (12) + 2d6
Rigger Initiative: 12 + 2d6
Astral Initiative:
Matrix AR Initiative: 12 + 2d6
Matrix Cold Initiative: 6 + DP + 3d6
Matrix Hot Initiative: 6 + DP + 4d6
Physical Damage Track: 10
Stun Damage Track: 11
== Limits ==
Physical: 7
Mental: 6
Social: 5
Astral: 6
== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling : 0 Pool: 2
Archery : 0 Pool: 5
Armorer : 0 Pool: 2
Automatics : 0 Pool: 5
Blades : 0 Pool: 5
Clubs : 0 Pool: 5
Computer : 1 Pool: 4
Con : 1 Pool: 4
Cybercombat : 0 Pool: 2
Demolitions : 0 Pool: 2
Disguise : 6 Pool: 12
Diving : 0 Pool: 2
Escape Artist : 0 Pool: 5
Etiquette : 1 Pool: 4
First Aid : 6 Pool: 9
Forgery : 0 Pool: 2
Free-Fall : 0 Pool: 2
Gunnery : 0 Pool: 5
Gymnastics : 6 [Dodge] Pool: 12 (14)
Hacking : 0 Pool: 2
Heavy Weapons : 0 Pool: 5
Impersonation : 1 Pool: 4
Instruction : 0 Pool: 2
Intimidation : 4 [Interrogation] Pool: 7 (9)
Leadership : 1 Pool: 4
Longarms : 6 [Shotguns] Pool: 12 (14)
Navigation : 3 Pool: 9
Negotiation : 1 Pool: 4
Palming : 6 Pool: 12
Perception : 6 Pool: 12
Performance : 1 Pool: 4
Pilot Ground Craft : 1 Pool: 7
Pilot Watercraft : 0 Pool: 5
Pistols : 6 [Revolvers] Pool: 12 (14)
Running : 0 Pool: 4
Sneaking : 6 Pool: 12
Survival : 3 Pool: 8
Swimming : 0 Pool: 4
Throwing Weapons : 1 Pool: 7
Tracking : 3 Pool: 9
Unarmed Combat : 6 [Subduing Combat] Pool: 12 (14)
== Knowledge Skills ==
Area Knowledge : 3 Pool: 9
English : 3 Pool: 9
Law : 3 Pool: 6
Small Unit Tactics : 6 Pool: 12
Underworld : 3 Pool: 9
== Contacts ==
Archi; Snitch (2, 1)
Lones Star; Police (Group(4), 3)
Sosumi; Bartender (3, 3)
== Qualities ==
Brand Loyalty (Product) (Ruger Super Warhawk)
Code of Honor (Good Cop)
Gifted Healer (First Aid)
Hawk Eye
In Debt V
Jack of All Trades Master of None
Low-Light Vision
Made Man (Police)
Quick Healer
SINner (National)
== Lifestyles ==
Low 1 months
== Cyberware/Bioware ==
Bone Density Augmentation Rating 2
Datajack
Smartlink
Striking Callus Rating 4
Wired Reflexes Rating 1
== Armor ==
Armor Jacket 14
+Chemical Protection 6
+Gel Packs
+Medkit Rating 6
+Miniwelder
Helmet 2
+Auto-Injector
+Single Sensor Rating 2
+Ultrasound Rating 2
== Weapons ==
Defiance EX Shocker
+Laser Sight
+Personalized Grip
+Quick-Draw Holster
Pool: 12 Accuracy: 6 DV: 9S(e) AP: -5 RC: 2
Grenade: Flash-Bang
Pool: 7 Accuracy: 7 DV: 10S (10m Radius) AP: -4 RC: 2
Mossberg AM-CMDT
+Foregrip
+Gas-Vent 3 System
+Personalized Grip
+Shock Pad
+Smartgun System, Internal
Pool: 12 (14) Accuracy: 8 DV: 12P AP: -1 RC: 7
Ruger Super Warhawk
+Personalized Grip
+Quick-Draw Holster
+Smartgun System, Internal
+Speed Loader
+Speed Loader
Pool: 12 (14) Accuracy: 8 DV: 9P AP: -2 RC: 2
Unarmed Attack
Pool: 12 Accuracy: 7 DV: 8P AP: - RC: 2
== Commlink ==
Transys Avalon (ATT: 0, SLZ: 0, DP: 6, FWL: 6)
+Receiver
== Gear ==
Ammo: APDS (Heavy Pistols) x24
Ammo: APDS (Shotguns) x30
Ammo: Flechette Rounds (Shotguns) x60
Ammo: Gel Rounds (Shotguns) x60
Ammo: Gel Rounds (Heavy Pistols) x12
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Shotguns) x60
Ammo: Taser Dart (Tasers) x20
Biomonitor
Fake SIN Rating 1
Glasses Rating 3
+Flare Compensation
+Thermographic Vision
+Image Link
Grenade: Flash-Bang x6
Kamikaze x2 (Pharmaceutical)
Micro-Transceiver
Rapelling Gloves
Respirator Rating 6
Restraint, Metal x3
Restraint, Plastic x20
Slap Patch, Stim Patch Rating 6 x2
Subvocal Mic
Survival Kit x2
Trodes
== Vehicles ==
Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer (Microdrone)
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Yamaha Growler (Off-Road Bike)
+Sensor Array Rating 2
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Like you asked, I did a new one. A human generalist, mystic adept, decker and a bit of a drone controller.
karma is 10 body 1-->2
and 10 positive qualities.
I still got to do knowledge skills and perhaps play just a tiny bit with the skill allocation. Overall this character decks, spell-cast summon, impersonate other people, and operate drones + drive.
He is an old timer, definitely not the one to be in a gun fight. I imagine him as an old con-man, that did all sort of crimes over the years, from cyber crime to street cons and identity theft. I imagine him mostly as overwatch unless we need to impersonate someone. He can do that very well. His only combat option is gunnery - so he definitely belongs in the car.
He is no pixie - he decks a little bit with his RCC, that I added a stealth dongle to, but he is not the dedicated decker type and cannot perform all kind of decking stuff. (This is why I think of perhaps changing the skills a little bit. )
== Info ==
Name: Mark Alias:
Human Movement: 2/4
Composure: 5
Street Cred: 0 Judge Intentions: 7
Notoriety: 0 Lift/Carry: 4 (15 kg/10 kg)
Public Awareness: 0 Memory: 9
Karma: 0 Nuyen: 1215
Age: Skin:
Eyes: Hair:
== Priorities ==
Metatype: E(0) - Human
Attributes: E(0) - 12 Attributes
Special: A(4) - Magician or Technomancer
Skills: A(4) - 46 Skills/10 Skill Groups
Resources: C(2) - 140,000¥
Bonus Skill: Spellcasting
Bonus Skill: Summoning
== Attributes ==
BOD: 2 (3) CHA: 2
AGI: 1 INT: 5
REA: 1 (4) LOG: 6
STR: 1 WIL: 3
EDG: 3 MAG: 11 (6)
== Derived Attributes ==
Essence: 6 Initiative: 9 + 4d6
Physical Damage Track: 10 Rigger Init: 9 + 4d6
Stun Damage Track: 10 Astral Init: 10 + 2d6
Physical: 3 Matrix AR Init: 9 + 4d6
Mental: 7 Matrix VR Cold Init: 5 + DP + 3d6
Social: 5 Matrix VR Hot Init: 5 + DP + 4d6
Mortimer of London: Argentum Coat [+1] (Must be visible)
Astral: 7
== Active Skills ==
Computer Base: 4 + Karma: 0 = 4 Pool: 10
Con (Fast Talk) Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 10 (12)
Counterspelling Base: 4 + Karma: 0 = 4 Pool: 10
Cybercombat Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 12
Disguise Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 14
Electronic Warfare Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 12
Gunnery (Ballistic) Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 7 (9)
Hacking Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 12
Hardware Base: 4 + Karma: 0 = 4 Pool: 10
Impersonation (Human) Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 8 (10)
Perception Base: 4 + Karma: 0 = 4 Pool: 9
Pilot Ground Craft (Remote Operation) Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 10 (12)
Software Base: 4 + Karma: 0 = 4 Pool: 10
Spellcasting (Health) Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 12 (14)
Summoning (Spirits of Man) Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 12 (14)
== Knowledge Skills ==
Base: 0 + Karma: 0 = 0 Pool: 0
Base: 0 + Karma: 0 = 0 Pool: 0
Bars and Clubs Base: 5 + Karma: 0 = 5 Pool: 10
Data Havens Base: 5 + Karma: 0 = 5 Pool: 10
English N
Fashion Base: 5 + Karma: 0 = 5 Pool: 10
Korean Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 11
Magical Theory Base: 4 + Karma: 0 = 4 Pool: 10
News Base: 5 + Karma: 0 = 5 Pool: 10
Russian Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 11
== Qualities ==
Aged (Rating 2)
Brand Loyalty (Product) (RCC)
Emotional Attachment
In Debt V
Jack of All Trades Master of None
Mentor Spirit (Seducer)
Mystic Adept
Records on File (EVO)
== Spells ==
(Tradition: Hermetic, Resist Drain with WIL + LOG (9))
Heal DV: F-4
Improved Invisibility (Limited) DV: F-3
Increase [Attribute] (LOG) DV: F-3
Increase [Attribute] (INT) DV: F-3
Increase [Attribute] (CHA) DV: F-3
Levitate DV: F-2
Shapechange DV: F-3
Stunball (Limited) DV: F-2
Trid Phantasm (Limited) DV: F-2
Vehicle Mask DV: F-3
== Powers ==
Attribute Boost (AGI) Rating: 1
Facial Sculpt Rating: 3
Heightened Concern
Improved Physical Attribute (BOD) Rating: 1
Improved Reflexes 3
== Lifestyles ==
Medium 1 months
== Armor ==
Armor Jacket 12
+Electrochromic Clothing
Helmet 2
Mortimer of London: Argentum Coat 12
+Concealability
+Custom Fit (Stack)
+Electrochromic Clothing
== Weapons ==
Unarmed Attack
Pool: 0 Accuracy: 3 DV: 1S AP: - RC: 1
== Commlink ==
Vulcan Liegelord (ATT: 0, SLZ: 0, DP: 5, FWL: 6)
+Stealth Dongle Rating 2
+Add Attack Modification
+Modify Matrix Attribute
+Vectored Signal Filter
+Autosoft (Perception) Rating 6
+Autosoft (AK-97) Rating 6
+Autosoft (Pilot Bulldog) Rating 6
+Signal Scrub
+Toolbox
+Virtual Machine
+Encryption
+Edit
+Browse
+Armor
+Biofeedback Filter
+Decrypt
+Defuse
+Demolition
+Detonator
+Fly on a Wall
+Smoke and Mirrors
+Stealth
+Sneak
+Exploit
+Wrapper
+Baby Monitor
== Gear ==
Ammo: Gel Rounds (Assault Rifles) x200
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x140
Earbuds Rating 3
+Audio Enhancement Rating 3
Fetish
Glasses Rating 4
+Vision Enhancement Rating 3
+Thermographic Vision
Medkit Rating 6
Tool Kit (Disguise)
Tool Kit (Hardware)
== Vehicles ==
GM-Nissan Doberman (Medium)
+Weapon Mount
+Sensor Array Rating 3
GM-Nissan Doberman (Medium)
+Weapon Mount
+Sensor Array Rating 3
GM-Nissan Doberman (Medium)
+Weapon Mount
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Horizon Flying Eye (Minidrone)
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Horizon Flying Eye (Minidrone)
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Horizon Flying Eye (Minidrone)
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer (Microdrone)
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer (Microdrone)
+Sensor Array Rating 3
Toyota Gopher (Heavy-Duty Pickup)
+Sensor Array Rating 2
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He wasn't wearing his armor-jacket though, to avoid unnecessary attention at the restaurant.
Which, in his case, you can't striclty speaking call unarmored either. It's like calling a turtle unarmored because it doesn't wear chainmail.
Not sure how this works, but I guess we can have average stuff like a coat without having that listed with our gear?
Right. Some basic clothes are included in the lifestyle pack. Of course, a low lifestyle means shitty clothing.
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@gilga What exactly do you mean with "my AR persona"? Can you "leave" the place you are in AR? I always thought you can only do so in VR. Anyway, you can call and open a speech & visual connection, but I'm not sure there is something like an AR persona. I might be wrong, though.
Again.
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Now idea really totally into fluff realm, wanted to make an amusing post. I honestly do not see mark working for that Johnson tough. She was late and acted in a disrespectful manner. Is that remotely acceptable for someone that supposedly wants you to work for them?
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Well, that depends how much they pay.
Wealth covers a multitude of sins... ;)
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IF you get paid... ;)
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Yeah, that's of course a consideration if you are a relative unknown with little influence.
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We are a bunch of strangers and not very connected and the local and connected member is treated as Nepali Scum. I am really not sure about getting paid from that Johnson.
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I don't know. I mean, every shadowrunner is an individual, but I'd assume that especially the underdogs (like the bunch we are) can't be too picky with our Johnsons. FIrst, we need the money and the rep. Second, it's considered bad manners to turn down a Johnson without good reasons. So, unless you can afford bad rep and no payment or are way more proud than the typical shadowrunner, I think normally they would swallow their pride and accept the job. And you're not working for her personally either. She's just the one who delivers the job, after all. You're working for some corp.
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Well the way I see it we are not exactly working for some corp. We know noone in this corp and have no way to establish connection. The corp does not know about us only Johnson and in case of stress the corp may ditch the Jhonson also. So the way I see it, will you do something illegal for a stranger you do not trust? I'll probobly won't because I feel that this relationship requires some basic respect and trust. The Johnson knows enough about the runners to get them into many troubles. Perhaps even get them killed. I do not think that somebody say ... psst easy money and all the runners just pile up to cross the law.
Then again, we may be hungry and desperate as the Jhonson seems to treat us.
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I can't speak for Cinder and Mark, but for me it would be logical to accept despite Miss Chingsons lack of respect.
Firstly because I think everyone of us has something he desperately wants from her: Cinder really wants to save these kids - which should work better if he has a powerful con that at least somewhat backs him up and provides him with a team and so on, and Mark and Scarcrow just really need some cash.
So the last two kind of have to swallow their pride if they don't want to end like literally in the streets, and I guess if Cinder has to decide wether he saves the kids on his own, or Wether he plays the devil's advocate, getting better chances to get the kids out of there alive, I guess a good cop kind of has to swallow his pride there. (Again: only my view)
Secondly, I think all three of us are probably used to people treating "lower" people (like us, but most of all staff and streetkids) like shit and definitely to people being late, so I think our in-game-characters wouldn't be as thrown-off as we are.
Or do you want to continue without Miss Chingson? I personally don't see Mark and Scarcrow risking their lives without some profit.
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I do not see Cinder go without her, but we can just blackmail the guys after we get information.
Steal data, threat to sell it, collect money end of story.
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Don't worry, Cinder has some pretty bad debt, so he can use the payday.
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Look like we're all tight for money so no problem there... none of has can negotiate either so we're just taking what's offered.
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I basically agree with Luckace. Since you're Nepalis or live in Nepal, you are so used to people being late. And since you're shadowrunners / a low-rank cop you should also be used to bad-mannered people. I don't think IC it would be a big deal to any of you. CInder might be pissed by the way she treated the waitress, but I guess the shadowrunners have seen worse. Much worse. And done worse. Much worse. ;)
I try to create a bit of a Kathmandu downtown ambience, and I picture people in this milieu are generally neither polite nor kind-hearted nor any of most things we estimate in educated, sociable beings in the Western world 2015.
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Okay please clearify this things because i seemed to have made quite a lot of fuss about it due to character knowledge.
Do you guys mind going independent ? While Mark has little negotiation, he'll have to get very creative to make it work the long duration of the mission and the fact that it may fail leave him with very little room for negotiation. I have some initial ideas, since Mark has security drones a high end RCC and other expensive equipment he can perhaps be hired as a security for the establishment. With Scarcraw as a physical muscle, Mark covering astral, physical and matrix and Cinder as a 'police' connection to keep from troubles the three can make a believable offer to protect the project. Perhaps get some money, but we'll need a side gig if Mark wants to survive for the longer term.
He is a reasonable hacker but I am not sure if he qualify as a decker. He has an RCC and while sleaze/ DP actions are covered good I have never tried not having a deck so I do not know how much we can count on successfully completing the main objective and getting paid. I'll have to browse the matrix rules and see what he is missing from having a very low attack attribute.
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I'm actually on board either way. For me a bit of posturing is just part of the whole negotiation process. ;) 8)
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Well after being doubled like Mark said it is impossible to refuse. We have a pickup truck for kiddnapping. Not ideal but we should be able to move people in the back.
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Never negotiate against yourself. She doesn't need to know that. I'm pretty sure that the head researcher is what they are most interested in anyway. ;)
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No I agree, just some OOC logistics.
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@All the Gopher has 3 passenger seats. But it is a pickup truck. So that all the storage space is in an open box on the back. There are no actual seats but one perhaps can seat on the floor of the box. I'll ask Volker because I do not see any clear definition in the rules, but anyhow the drones an go on their own also. if we lack room.
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Can we hop right into the meeting if there is nothing to be done before that?
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Yeah, sure, I thought that's what you were going to do anyway
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@gilga
One is serious here. Not bad.
Yeah, you can definitely make sure no one is spotting you. You're basically invisible, dude.
@Riker
Lucky roll (http://orokos.com/roll/330260): 12d6t5 5
The lucky roll indeed grants you "an apartment with a view on the temple through [your] employer", at least, if you have augmentation to cover distance. You cannot see, however, the place in front of the temple.
And you'll have to go through some paperwork to declare why you need the appartment.
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Hey, gilga :-)
Apparently you read Data Trails more carefully than I did. Since I play a decker as well, would you please answer some questions?
How do you get noise reduction through empty slots?
What is RCC?
Why do trodes deliver noise reduction?
What do you mean by DP?
So, here are my counterrolls:
Counter-rolls (http://orokos.com/roll/337745): 3#11d6t5 2 4 5
You win each roll. I'm impressed how much you get out of a commlink with a Stealth 2 dongle...
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RCC is a rigger command council it provide noise reduction and originally intended for drones. It can run programs like a deck would as well as autosofts for drones. Each slot you keep free provides noise reduction.
The Vulcan is the best RCC under normal availability (costs 70-80k) has room for 5 programs.
Therefore for sleaze action I use 2 base sleaze + stealth(?) that gives +2 limit for hack on the fly + the best program from data trails smoke and mirrors that gives from +1 to +5 sleaze with the same amount of noise.
So the base limit is 2 +2 + X (in my case X=3 ) so I am creating 3 noise, but the vectored signal processor reduce noise (-2) and signal scrub (-2) and if I use virtual machine I only need 2 program slots so I get -3. In the meanwhile throdes give -1 noise as they give DNI. (Implemented datajack gives -2 I think). I am not 100% sure on the throes tough I'll check in the book.
Smoke and mirrors works very well with RCC as one creates noise and the other is designed to negate noise. Basically allow you to do a decker/rigger for lower cost as long as you do not really use attack. I sure miss my data spikes.
UPDATED: Datajack gives 1 noise reduction (not 2) and trodes give nothing (not 1) so the noise reduction is one less than I thought.
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@gilga
I haven't got a clue how you managed to pull this off, but your char is really extremely powerful. Chapeau!
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@Volker
English is Cinders second language. Nepali isn't mentioned because chummer doesn't ask for your mother tongue. ;D
Also I try to intimidate the page
Intimidation (http://orokos.com/roll/340904): 7d6t5 3
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@Volker I really enjoy very versatile players.
Jack - For the next time we should have buffed up your charisma before you go in to do some talking.
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Feel free to offer - Cinder doesn't know yet what you are capable off ;)
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Well you are already in talking and intimidating people - so a touch spell is out of the question, but Mark is basically the command operations guy - he'll watch the exists just in case and scout the astral just in case as well. If he came with you there was so much he could do because his only combat option is a stunball spell.
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Crap, just realized that bone lacing changes damage-type of unarmed attacks.
Does anyone know what possibilities I have to hit someone with stun-damage then? I know it's possible to use blade-weapons as blunts, but is that also possible with throwing-knives?
thanks in advance
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You can use tasers or shock gloves. I would also allow you to wear something like boxing gloves. I'd lower the damage by 2 points, but you'd deal stun damage then.
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How about a called shot: "Open Hand"
-4 to attack, deal Stun instead of Physical
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Ok, thank you.
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Sorry to slow this down, but I'm really confused. Mark traced FY's comlink, right? Not just his smartphone-like thingy that probably lies with his pants in the solarium, but the implanted thing that's connected with his cybereyes or whatever he uses, right?
So he basically tracked the killer and sent us his location.
Then can't we just follow this lead instead of some movement we see in the crowd?
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Because of Overwatch Mark had to restart - now he traced FY again and even activated his flash periodically so that he should be easier to find. If FY does anything about the matrix, the spirit will find him. The problem is he seem to run faster than you.
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Strictly speaking, you don't know whether it's implanted or not, but Mark can see it moving, so unless it's become alive, it must be with Frozen Yoghurt. Also, the location Mark sent you and the commotion in the crowd are identical.
I guess, FY has to find something really clever to escape you now... You know where he is, you can trace him via matrix and astrally, he's easy to perceive and, well, he's nude.
EDIT:
@gilga
Every fifteen minutes after you first start tallying an OS, it increases by another 2D6 (rolled by the gamemaster in secret).
So, in the meanwhile it would have increased by 4d6 (plus ever hits in opposed rolls).
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Okay, but we restarted the process so we are now at lets say 12 or so - (2 marks 1 trace and 1 edit file) there is some time.
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Sorry fellas for not responding earlier. Work's pushing my limits. I'll get to a post asap, promise. In the meanwhile you could discuss how to interrogate him, what you wanna fix out etc. You have his commlink and a cyberdeck, too. It shouldn't be a big deal for Mark to get into these, so feel free to assume you can extract data from them.
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A cyberdeck? what kind can mark dream of his own deck?
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Might be obvious, but I'd suggest to browse for his contacts and then later ask the Street Scum characters if any of the names ring something.
Oh, and I'd also suggest to hang him upside-down for interrogation, that way it'll be harder for him to escape and he'll get a pretty bad headache pretty soon.
And don't worry about the time, life goes first, as a certain someone used to state.
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Why do people generally assume interrogation equals torture?
You get the best results if the interrogee perceives you as their ally - that's why good cop bad cop works so well.
With a human shit stain like FY we can bet that he'd sell out his employers if he thinks there is a realistic chance of getting away unscathed.
My questions to him are: Describe the temple including the non-public parts, describe the security measures, who guards the place, where do they keep the research, who are the movers and shakers, how many of those child soldiers do they have, how come he hasn't made a move to get to the lucrative secrets himself.
And we should set up a container interior to look like an actual interrogation room. That will rise his hopes that we are actually bound by rules...
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Mark is very good at con, if that helps with interogation then fine. Honestly OOC I have no idea how to interogate people it always seem to me beat the crap out of them until they confess everything. ;)
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@ Jack_Spade:
True that, but I'm not sure he'll fall for it.
I mean, the dude just got shot, at the beginning he didn't even resist. (Not that I'm wrong with Cinder shooting him, very glad you did), so he's probably aware that he won't get a
And he went as far as murdering an innocent girl in front of two "police officers".
But you're probably right, asking him the polite way first is definitely worth a try.
Oh, by the way: Can we (or Mark, I suppose) find out what kind of cyberware he's using? We should get rid of cameras etc.
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We can get 3 marks on all his cyberware while he is out, we can even temporary disable his cyberware with format device action. It will mean that without a guy like Mark spending several hours fixing his ware it will not work if he tries to run or somthing.
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Ok great.
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The cyberdeck is a full-blown Renraku Tsurugi.
The cyberware he's using basically are battle-related. He has cybereyes, though, so he might have a camera included. On the other hand he can only film by going online with his eyes himself (since you took his link and deck) which would mean that he would oppose his very eyes to bricking.
Most of his cyberware is offline at the moment, so you can't disable, for example, his wired reflexes.
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wow a 200k deck? this run just got lot more profitable.
I wrote in IC Mark will look for who is FY, who does he work for ? what kind of job it is, who are his contacts friends relatives, what is his schedule for the next weeks, his hobbies likes and dislikes lover? cat? I'll ask more when I have some straw to grab.
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I didn't actually intend you to strip FY when I generated him as an opponent for the Street Scum group ;)
Good! I guess I can set up a post in the afternoon.
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Well Mark will not object... if he manage to put his claws on the deck he'll be able to brick miss Jhonson's comlink when we meet her again. For hacking his RCC is sufficient - the real limitation is lack of attack actions. Data spikes with high attack are really fun.
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Anything about FY from hacking his hardware? Perhaps something to help us in the investigation?
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ah, yeah, sorry, I forgot about the data research. I'll get the post up asap
EDIT: How did you fix up FY? Are his hands bound? His neck? His legs?
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His hands are cuffed to the metal chair and the metal chair is bolted to the floor (We might get into trouble with the hotel owner later ::) )
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Okay, here is what you can reconstruct from his deck. It's not easy, since there is barely anything legal, but from personal files and with some reason, you can basically reconstruct, who he is.
Frozen Yoghurt was born as Tilmarin Theofain in Cara'sir, Tir Tairngire. He was raised up by his father Ylvanel and his loving wife Mara. Here some snippets from his memoires:
"I guess, I had a quite ordinary life until I was 16. I was above-average good-looking, above-average clever, above-average nimble, had above-average expections to my life (which were fulfilled so far) and did above-average looking girls. I wouldn’t say my life went absolutely regularly (my sister started doing drugs when I was 11 and she was 16, and despite all their efforts, my parents lost hold of her. Within two years she was gone and never to be seen again), but whose life is?
When the old regime was overthrown, my father chose to leave Tir Tairngire. An elven democracy was too much to bear for him. We moved to the UCAS. Thus, we still were in a democracy but who could a lower race blame for maintaining a lower form of political system?
Now this is the moment where you’d wait for the traumatic experience that made me be a shadowrunner. How my mum was raped and my father made watch only to be executed before my eyes. How they burned down my house, no, the whole city and I was the only survivor, blinded by tears of rage?
Nup. There wasn’t a thing like that. As I said, I was always above-average, and as it is you get above-average nuyen if you do below-average legal stuff. First I bough a deck and I started doing some cyber crimes. Stealing a file for someone here, deleting compromising photos there. Then slowly the fish grew bigger. I learned how to shoot and started to be watchout boy for shadowy activities. Step by step I came into the business, earned many and rep, enhanced myself, grew better and better.
First I started with the Street Name Pointy Ears but this one didn’t last long. Too uncreative, I guess. It was given to me by one of my first Johnson’s, a mean bastard through and through: Frozen Yoghurt, somehow referring to me a) hardly ever smiling and b) turning milk into yoghurt if doing so nonetheless.
After a while, Frozen Yoghurt became a brand for thourough work. I became quite righ and had a good life. Then I decided to take the next step. I went straight to Ares with an offer to work for them whatever they needed me to do for two conditions: First, erase all illegal stains on my white vest, and second, give me a hell of a lot of cash.
They accepted, and for a while I was contacts man for Ares, but then they realized I could do more. They equipped me with pheromones and inserted me as a mule to Ingram."
You can tell, however, that this is how he sees himself. Deep inside, he's a deeply traumatized person. He is obsessed with art and violence, he stores recordings of girls he rapes and tortures to death, but there are also videos of him being bullied and tortured by class-mates, other teenagers and other people around him. He was an unsecure person to start with, and as time went be, he became a psycho.
This is when he decided to go to India for a job. He became obsessed by spiritualism and started to look up for infos on buddhism, hinduism, spiritualism and a bunch of other -isms that don't really fit in there. After a while, he decided to go to Nepal where he found Sai Baba's people. From there on, there are hardly any recordings. From messages he exchanges you can see, that he was more and more inclined to swallowed the temple people's propaganda and that he has been recruited. Frozen Yoghurt spent at least 4 or 5 years in the services of the temple. By now, he must be a hybrid of religious fanatic and an ordinary psychopath.
[spoiler]Feel free to ask more questions. I might add something myself, when I don't have to catch a train ASAP.
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Okay, here is some more data on him.
He had some friends back in North America, but he basically cut all connections loose when he came to Nepal. Here, he devoted his whole life to Shree Yela Sai Baba and his followers. His view on the world is a very disturbing combination of the Right of the Strongest, pure sadism, the knowledge to be and know something higher than the vermin that crawl over the world's surface, and unreflected fanatism. As such, he is being used somehow like a bloodhound. Once unleashed, even for the temple people it's difficult to control Frozen Yoghurt (as you can reconstruct from messages you read), but they rely on him when the milk turns sour. He doesn't really have insight in what's going on in the interior, but he's definitely aware that this is not an ordinary temple.
He's got a sickening hobby. You find movies, recorded by his own cybereyes. In these movies, he chases girls, sometimes over hours. The hunt is masterfully cut to impose drama, thrill and, in your case, the strong urge to puke. After chasing them down until they have no strength to flee, he starts torturing and abusing them, recording every filthy detail, before he finishes them off. The original sounds of the videos is almost muted, only faintly can you hear the screams and beggings. In the foreground, there is classical music: Beethoven, Mozart or maybe spontaneous compositions from one of those semi-AI-composers that grew so popular about a decade ago.
He doesn't have a cat.
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Some other ideas:
Does he have any scheduled meetings this week?
any formal duties or events he need to attend? who was the last person that contacted him?
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Depends which kinds of meeting you mean.
Roughly three times a week he trains shooting or martial arts.
Coming Friday, he's going to meet a couple of friends late night.
You can reconstruct from miscallenious data that he shows up at the temple pretty much every morning.
He has an appointment with his doctor in one-and-a-half weeks.
The last person that contacted him calls herself Lucie. She appears to be associated with him in some business manner, but she's not a member of the temple.
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About his body: as much as I'd love to make some extra nuyen, i feel like selling FY might attract unwanted attention. I don't know what augmentations he has besides his eyes, if it'd be worth the risk or not.
If his augmentations are worth a lot, Scarcrow has knowledge of cyberware 1 and a cyberdoc as a contact (loyalty 3), might be helpful to inquire a price etc.
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Well, perhaps we want that kind of attention we want! Their dog is dead in a dramatic way - perhaps they'll be looking for some additional security - who knows who targets them.
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Just to sort things out about our hit-list and to prevent a misunderstanding:
Akihiro Matsuda: worth 16k if we bring him to Johnson (leading scientist)
Manisha Hatsumoto: 6k (lower scientist)
Uncle Prasad: 6k (other employer)
Ravinder: 6k, but disappeared
A bugged kid: 6k
Do you think we could also sell FY to our boss?
Here's what she says:
We will pay a fair price for whatever you can bring us: data about the project, prototypes, scientists, any employees with the task to observe the program, trainers, surgeons, protocols. And after that, I want you to destroy any evidence you have been there and I want you to destroy anything Faruke could use.
"Here is what I offer:
If you bring us the software, typification and research essays - that is, all the data there is to the project - that's the core. We'll grant you 15 k. Nuyen, not rupees. If you don't bring us the data, you get nothing, no matter what else you might bring or do. Same goes if you don't erase the data. That's part of the job, so it's necessary for the pay.
If you have hardware - prototypes, complete sets - we'll grant you up to 8 k more.
For bringing us the lead scientist you get another 8k. 3k is for a low-rank scientist or other employees who were in charge of the program. Same goes for a bugged kid.
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"or other employee ? "
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About his body: as much as I'd love to make some extra nuyen, i feel like selling FY might attract unwanted attention. I don't know what augmentations he has besides his eyes, if it'd be worth the risk or not.
If his augmentations are worth a lot, Scarcrow has knowledge of cyberware 1 and a cyberdoc as a contact (loyalty 3), might be helpful to inquire a price etc.
Well, his 'ware is not that cheap. The most expensive gear clearly are his wired reflexes.
Your last post is basically correct. As Frozen Yoghurt is only a mercenary and isn't involved into the project itself, it is more than dubious whether they will pay for him or not. Also, don't forget the main task.
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Erm ... boys? Are you waiting for some piece of information or something? We can fast-forward the scene we are in atm and continue to plan the next operation. But you should discuss the next step. ;)
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Yeah, sorry I was waiting for some input about what the guys and girls at the containers do with FY - especially if they show mercy or if he is executed.
Once that is done, we can reconvene in the rented rooms opposite the temple to talk about the next steps.
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Sounds good. So we jump to the rat-pack and bring them FY to gain their trust abd some information? They still haven't told us about Manisha for example.
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Oh, good to know. Sorry, I thought of this of more than a formality. Let's do it
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I'll leave contact to the hive to Scarcrow. I'm pretty sure they'll like to talk to him better than to a known police man - no matter what he did for them.
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Poor Lucky.
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Wow, this escalated quickly.
Before handing them the unconscious man, I'd like to exchange commcodes with them - if they are willing - and again ask questions about the temple: if they know any of the people we have to hunt down (Manisha!), know how to contact them, or know any other entrances into the holy hellhole.
And I'd like to ask them if we can count on their support against the temple, at some time they might be useful as a distraction.
I guess asking them afterwards won't make a difference?
Shall we just do it OOC?
Then we could jump to Cinder's rented rooms.
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Well, I, too wanted to roleplay this, but since Jack seemed to want to skip the scene, I did. Seeing as you have some stuff to deal we can roleplay it in a separate thread. The other two can then join or not, as they wish.
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Oh, sorry, I didn't want to skip the scene for you. I only wanted Cinder not to participate (he doesn't have the stomach for it)
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No prob. We can roleplay it in the sidethread I just created.
What about you, gilga, will you join?
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That sounds good, thanks for creating the sidethread.
Shall we wait until we get more information from them, or continue our meeting in the rented apartment right away?
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Don't mind me. Play the negotiations and afterwards resume the normal story. :)
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Let's hear what gilga says to that. If he doesn't want to join the sidethread, we could also do it in German. On the other hand, if he wants to proceed in the story, we should.
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Mark is not very comfortable around other people he is polite and skilled with the etiquette for his own survival but he is not a social animal as such he'd depart back to his home and pull an all nighter hardware test to claim the deck. (or do some other fun activity - matrix gmes online chess etc. He'll definitely wont like to talk to a bunch of street kids if he does not have to.)
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Okay :)
Shall we proceed with the original IC thread in the meanwhile? Or does the outcome of the sidethread affect the main thread? I'd say you can use the time to plan how and where to infiltrate the temple, what your next objectives are and so on
@Jack & luckace: If you want, we can do the sidethread in German
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Sure/Sicher ;)
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Hm, I don't know, what the ratpack could tell us, whether it would effect the mainthread, or not (if all they can tell us is that they've met Manisha once, we might as well skip it).
But if our plan involves interaction with the rat-pack (using them as a distraction, scouts, for more information...) then I say we should roleplay the scene at the hive first, and then jump into the meeting, since the infomation we get from them might effect our further steps.
But I'd actually prefer doing it in english, I think Mark/gilga should still be able to follow the events there, even if he doesn't participate in the scene.
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Okay, fine by me. Still, though you might rework details about the plan after the scene, I doubt that the kids will influence the general direction. So I think you should already start to discuss your further steps in the main thread.
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That night Mark will do a matrix transfer owner test.
he has 10 dice for hardware - boost with magic to 14.
Logic increase spell (http://orokos.com/roll/355083): 14d6t5 4
Drain (http://orokos.com/roll/355084): 9d6t5 5
No - drain logic raised from 6 to 10. Hihghten concentration used to negate sustaining penalty.
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355074): 14d6t5 5
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355075): 13d6t5 3
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355076): 12d6t5 5
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355077): 11d6t5 0 no glitch
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355078): 10d6t5 1
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355079): 9d6t5 3
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355080): 8d6t5 3
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355081): 7d6t5 3
Hardware (http://orokos.com/roll/355082): 6d6t5 2
Success ! Onwership transferred in 9 hours.
Always wanted to actually do that insane threshold 24 test!
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\o/ have fun!
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ad magic:
"Unconscious" definitely doesn't mean "voluntary", no more than raping an unconscious woman would count as consensual sex. Voluntary means that the target invites the mana actively. So Transform is not possible on unconscious targets. Sorry about that.
ad decking:
Once again, I awe at your knowledge of the rules. May I, just to improve my own rigger/decker, ask some questions? Thanks ;-)
How do you geht the 2+4 noise comprehension? The 2 are from signal scrub, but the 4? You can split up the 5 points of device rating into sharing (i.e. autosofts) and noise reduction. If you'd use the 4 for noise reduction, how can you load 3 programs.
Apart from that: How can you load hacking programs at all? A RCC can load autosofts, but no programs as far as I can see.
Indifferent of any answers: you get a mark on the host and can now enter it.
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1. RCC can load programs and autosofts. (there is even a list in the core rules for programs for a rigger - better firewall, data processing and so on). It has a vectored signal as an external module -2 noise reduction (highly recommended to any device) + device modifications. Along with a signal scrub program (this is the 4) then 4 programs with virtual machine - take 3 slots. rating 5 device that's leave 2 for noise compensation. (did I mess up the calculus?)
That said I am not here to play a the rule lawyer game - so if the tricked RCC deck does not go well then I can have Mark use the new deck we picked from FY.
2. Okay about shape change - so we'll need some other way to take unwilling kids, perhaps we can lie to them to get them to come willingly they are children and with the right disguise they might believe it.
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ad 1: No, it's absolutely not a problem. I'm just curious because I, too, play a hacker/rigger and it seems I'm way less efficient ^^
How comes signal scrub brings 4 reduction? According to the CRB it's only worth 2 points.
ad 2: spirits might come in handy in that regard ;-)
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1. Vectored signal processor - 2 (added as a module with data trails) + signal scrub 2 never leave home without them. 4 noise reduction without an effort. (oh and I love BNC)
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I slowly begin to figure it out. 2 points from the signal processor, 2 points from signal scrub, and 3 points from the RCC. And you added stealth via dongle.
You know bnc? :-S
That's scary :D
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Yes, I remember when you were looking for a GM and thought about offering but I was way too green back then. I still feel like I make tons of mistakes GMing .
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So do I and so do most GMs, I guess. Well, except Jack. He's an awesome GM!
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@Jack
That's basically right. You have Dr. Manzoo's address, not Harka's. But it just takes a bit of asking around to find the right place, so it doesn't matter.
What exactly do you mean by foreigners in the temple? Do you mean people like Manisha Hatsumoto and Akihiro Matsuda? And who do you ask?
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Yes, exactly.
Cinder would ask primarily street vendors - people who have a vested interest to look out for foreigners with money.
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So Mark and Scarcrow go and vistit Harka?
@Jack: Asking in high-class hotels or restaurants might also prove useful, since they don't really have a reason to use wrong names.
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Ok guys and gals,
I'll be away for a week, probably without reliable internet connection, so don't worry about my lack of response.
@luckace
He can do that, but those tend to be a bit more discreet.
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So Mark and Scarcrow go and vistit Harka?
@Jack: Asking in high-class hotels or restaurants might also prove useful, since they don't really have a reason to use wrong names.
we can try ;)
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Sorry for not posting for such a long time, boys. Work is killing me at the moment. I'll catch you as soon as I'm a person again. Sorry for the inconvience. Every day, I was hoping I could set up a post, then didn't manage to. I hope I will find a spare minute on the weekend but I can't even promise that...
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I hope that I speak for everyone when I say: no worries, chummer, real life goes first.
Online-life is not a race, but work needs to be done in time.
Oh, and don't let your job kill you entirely, would be a shame if we had to end this story already ;)
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Sooo... before we continue IC-wise and the drek really hits the fan, I'd like to know more about our surroundings:
What kind of milieu are we in? How many people/windows in front of his house? Is the van in close range?
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Sure.
We are in the midst of Thamel, so there are a lot of people around - but few who care if someone around dies or screams or does anything else that isn't directly remoted to money. That is, to their money. This also depicture the milieu of the area. This is the bad part of the former tourist area. This is were the bloody streetdocs and the mercenaries go, where you can buy organs and second-hand augmentations discreetly and where you can purchase child soldiers and girls without questions asked. This is very cops only go undercover - and only if they must.
Where or not you parked your van nearby is your decision. If you did, you must be aware that it's difficult to go anywhere from her by car since the streets are extremely crowded and you have to force your way through. Also, you should be aware that this is probably the area in Nepal where the most criminal energy meets the most skill - so your car is not safer than you are.
It's still daytime, so the real dark creatures are still in their caves. But in an area like this, that's not saying a lot because no-one is ashamed to follow their business in open daylight.
And just a hint. You can either assume that the doc doesn't have his valueable gear in his clinic - or that he has it heavily guarded and the guards are nearby.
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Hm, then I guess we wouldn't have parked the van in close range, since the likelihood of it getting hijacked is quite high and we wouldn't be able to maneuver through the smaller streets.
Gilga, what's your view on that?
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Mark would never endanger his car - actually why park it at all - cars drive themselves remember? this is SR!
The car dropped us as close as reasonable and then went back to safety.
PS Mark has improve charisma spell for Scarcraw he'll use it to make him more scary.
Improve charisma (http://orokos.com/roll/364506): 14d6t5 6
Drain (http://orokos.com/roll/364507): 9d6t5 3
Dice from magic (http://orokos.com/roll/364508): 4d6t5 1
not much but perhaps with 4 hits we'll scare him.
cast at force 4, no drain.
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Perception (http://orokos.com/roll/364854): 8d6t5 4
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so cool! (though if any I'd think noticing the spell would make it even more scary)...
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It did ;) that's why he totally freaked out ^^
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I offer each of you to spend one point of edge which does not refresh until the end of this quest. I can't tell you what you get for it, but I feel I have to offer it to you.
How do you guys see this?
I personally feel like I am willing to accept this offer. Although we will probably be able to get the information otherwisely, I strongly feel like Harka not tipping us off to the temple will be worth a point of edge. I had actually hoped that from Harka's reaction on Scarcrow's hint for discretion we (or probably Mark, since he'll have a better judge-intentions-roll) could make an assumption on whether he'll tell the temple about us.
@GM: Do you mean by "does not refresh" that it will be burnt, therefore also erased from our starting-amount? And do all three of us have to give one, or only Mark and Scarcrow?
May I ask you to roleplay Harka's reaction so we get a shot at a judge-intentions-roll?
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What can he tip them off about us? All he knows is that we are creepy people that ask about datajacks. How are we related to the temple?
I have no problem spending edge but it seems odd to spend it not knowing what it is about. If Volker feels so commited to give us a chance to do it Mark will do with 2 edge as well.
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Before we handle the edge thing, the easier thing is, of course, luckace's request. But I'd prefer it the other way round: Mark and Scarcrow can each roll a Judge Intentions roll. Depending on the quality of the rolls, I will describe the reaction in more or less detail. Does that sound fair?
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Sounds fair to me.
Judge Intentions (http://orokos.com/roll/366705): 6d6t5 2
Well, Mark asked rather specifically I have heard about these data jacks that can turn a little boy into an assassin.
, so he can probably suspect that we are investigating on the Bikki-incident and might want to warn his employers. Take a warning that creepy people are asking creepy questions and the sudden disappereance of Frozen Yoghurt and the temple might at least be alert, which might cause difficulties when we want to kidnap the German or the flirty American, or an even bigger fish.
True, this is a worst-case-scenario, but it might happen.
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Okay, basically this was what I offered you ;) You seemed to be totally oblivious to the fact he might tip you off. Since you thought of it yourself, you may keep your edge. You're gonna need it ;)
I wait for Mark's roll. 2 doesn't give away a lot.
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Judge intentions (http://orokos.com/roll/366718): 7d6t5 1
I am pretty sure that Scarcrow (with +4 charisma) has better judge intentions than Mark. It is intuition + charisma after all.
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All right, glad to know what the stakes are ;D
@gilga: oh, right, forgot about the improved charisma, thanks.
Four more dices: improved charisma (http://orokos.com/roll/366736): 4d6t5 0
Well, crap.
So... to be honest, I can't come up with a smarter way to silence the doc than murdering him or kidnapping his loved ones.
Intimidating him already failed , so did con, right? And we probably can't get Laes fast enough before he spills the beans.
I'm pretty much out of ideas and ready to take Volker's offer, now that we know for sure what we get for it.
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let him talk ;)
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Well, I don't offer a solution. :D My offer was just to remind that this guy is a customer of those people who you really, really don't want to get aware of your investigation. Since you thought of it yourself, you also keep the Edge. You still should do something about it. What? That's none of my business ;)
Sorry for my absence. Had a horrible week
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I do not think we have told that much that he'll 'call the temple and tell them' what he will tell them? that some people asked about special data jacks? Little Bikki is walking the streets and brag about the special powers he received to anyone that might listen. Mark will not like to murder that guy, but he can try and hack the records of his clinc and steal information about his dealing with the temple.
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I think you're hitting exactly the point: Bikki. From what's been said, we must know about Bikki (assuming that Bikki is the only child-assassin who's been let loose)
It is only a matter of time until they find out that FY has been killed at the hive. Now, either they take it that Riker and friends killed FY, which is quite unlikely, though, considering how long he's been terrorizing them (and how we failed to take him out two times in Street Scum), or, more likely, they'll probably suspect that the ratpack had help (which they definitely will assume as soon as they find out about the rather spectacular bathhouse-brawl we had when capturing FY, so again: only a matter of time)
So far not a big problem though: FY had so many enemies that it was only a matter of time (man, I hate repeating myself) until someone paid someone to dispose of him. He's not directly linked to the experiments, so they'll probably just shrug it off and pray for his wretched soul.
Buuut if they now find out that some professionals are investigating the skilljack-incident, it'll be easy to figure out that these guys are in fact the same professionals that took care of their mad dog, which basically is an open declaration of war.
So I think if we let him talk, we have to execute our next strikes very quickly, before they put one and one together and know that we are on their tracks.
Or do you guys see it differently?
Reedit:
Scarcrow has his sword and shockgloves , he could try to kill the work and/or stun Harka, but that would probably trigger quite a fuss.
I don't know much about decking, is it possible for Mark to hack Harka's comlink or whatever he uses and intercept all messages that are supposed to warn the temple or to redirect them to himself, so he could fake a response?
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I think you're hitting exactly the point: Bikki. From what's been said, we must know about Bikki (assuming that Bikki is the only child-assassin who's been let loose)
It is only a matter of time until they find out that FY has been killed at the hive. Now, either they take it that Riker and friends killed FY, which is quite unlikely, though, considering how long he's been terrorizing them (and how we failed to take him out two times in Street Scum), or, more likely, they'll probably suspect that the ratpack had help (which they definitely will assume as soon as they find out about the rather spectacular bathhouse-brawl we had when capturing FY, so again: only a matter of time)
So far not a big problem though: FY had so many enemies that it was only a matter of time (man, I hate repeating myself) until someone paid someone to dispose of him. He's not directly linked to the experiments, so they'll probably just shrug it off and pray for his wretched soul.
Buuut if they now find out that some professionals are investigating the skilljack-incident, it'll be easy to figure out that these guys are in fact the same professionals that took care of their mad dog, which basically is an open declaration of war.
So I think if we let him talk, we have to execute our next strikes very quickly, before they put one and one together and know that we are on their tracks.
Or do you guys see it differently?
Nope, you summarized it perfectly.
Scarcrow has his sword and shockgloves , he could try to kill the work and/or stun Harka, but that would probably trigger quite a fuss.
I don't know much about decking, is it possible for Mark to hack Harka's comlink or whatever he uses and intercept all messages that are supposed to warn the temple or to redirect them to himself, so he could fake a response?
There is this possibility - but only for a short time. After some half hour or so, the Grid Overwatch Division will unleash its wrath upon whoever dares to hack for such a long time.
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Well I am not so worried about these things - they got to find out sooner or later and it does not feel as the indirectness get us any closer - we could just use brute force because it seems that playing detectives just get us into more troubles. It only take a moment to send a message and if we burn his shop or something it also creates tension- perhaps we are just not socially skilled enough to pull off sneaky.
Let's just bust on the temple fight our way to the lab, copy and erase the data and take the head researcher by force. Perhaps we have to be realistic, I am not sure what good did FY did to us either other than just making us excessively loud as we were indirect.
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Con (http://orokos.com/roll/368439): 7d6t5 3
With 2 vs 3 hits, you can't really tell anything from his reaction - that is, no more than I wrote in the IC:
The doc was just about to reply that it's not possible to hack skilljacks, when Mark interrupts the two. He casts a look at the credstick, then at Mark.
"I have no clue what you are talking about. Are you going to buy something or not? If not, stop that stupid questions and leave my workshop."
Despite his words, Mark can tell that he had one foot in the door. Not only was the streetdoc quite obviously lying, he also shot a second glance at the credstick, indicating that he is torn between the prospect of cash and fear. Fear won, however, and you're losing ground. You know that everything depends on your reaction now.
He abruptly tried to stop the conversation which tells you that he is afraid to talk about the topic. Since he was attracted to the money, you can guess that he's not one of the temple people, but really only employed by them. With two hits, this is all you get. Sorry, lads. Sometimes the dice gods are unfair.
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Why are we meta gaming this so much?
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Because this was about whether your character notice or don't notice whether Harka is about to warn the temple or not. But you're right, we should continue IC.
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Mark is not going to kill him that is, he'll kill FY but not some random man with a clinic.
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Nobody said you're supposed to kill the man.
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Scarcrow has no moral restraints with attacking these guys, but killing them might just cause more commotion than it prevents.
How common is Laes? If we find a drug-dealer close by (which shouldn't be too difficult in Thamel), we cold try to drug the doctor.
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Laés is strictly controlled by the Tír Taingire government. Thus, I don't think any of you has even heard of it. But rest assured that there are plenty of other drugs to be found in Thamel '75.
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May I then suggest we try to find any other amnesiac drug? Thamel is already full of drug-dealers today, I can only imagine what crazy stuff you can get in 2075.
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Laés what is it??
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It's an Awakened drug which can wipe out a person's memory. But it is not available here, alas.
But yeah, you can find anmesic drugs around here, given that you know people who sell it, or places where to look (that is, given that you have either good connections or Street knowledge skills).
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I'd say finding a druggist has priority over our quest for a skilljack-spacialist.
Scarcrow has area-knowledge 2 and underground 1 and can ask his cyberdoc-contact for any information on skilljacks in the meanwhile.
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Feel free to roll on your knowledge skills any time
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Right, thanks.
Knowledge: cyberware (http://orokos.com/roll/369468): 1d6t5 1
Phew...
So... then Scarcrow can at least tell teh difference between the two, right?
I'll set up a post tomorrow asap
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You know what a datajack is and that skilljacks are something different but you might have mixed them up when things got complicated. I let your bahini explain how a skilljack works.
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Hi Volker the last I sent Mark to hack into the clinic (to snoop around about the special datajacks).
Any news on that?
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Oh, sorry. I completely forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.
What exactly do you mean with AR hacking? Do you attempt to Hack on the Fly to put a mark on the host or what is the idea?
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I always seem to be limited as you did not describe what kind of information system the clinc has.
AR - hacking - hacking in AR (in contrast to VR where your body goes limb and well it does not seem like a good idea in the middle of the street, despite the bonus dice it gives - and coolness factor)
Mark wants information about data-jacks/special cazy datajacks.
A lot of stuff can appear to be of relevance from orders/installations to medical records. Customer lists, suppliers - personal communications and so forth depending on what kind of things are there and what things Mark is skilled enough to access. If they got super strong IC and host rating of 10 for example I doubt Mark will even try to touch it.
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I know what AR hacking is, gilge, but "AR hacking" is not a Matrix action and thus nothing you can roll on. You can roll on "Hacking on the Fly" to mark the host, e.g., without taking the bonus dice, but rolling on "AR hacking" is like rolling on "fighting" without describing which weapon you use against whom in which mode, and so on. I didn't even know whether you use Brute Force or the Sleath version before your IC post. Please try and describe the matrix actions more precise.
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Volker - why is there an IC on my tail did I fail to download the file ? I entered with hack on the fly and was successful so the host should not be aware of me and have I done anything illegal? I used my mark to see the file and I did not understand, did I fail to use edit the file and triggered an alarm of some kind?
I do not mind to roll hack on the fly for the file - but if the file is stored in the host a mark on the host should allow me to perform this action. Same way that if it was on a comlink I'd need a mark on the comlink to do so. Life is too short to argue - I just want a clearification as to what I need to do to get the file to my RCC. I am not even sure that there is a point in fighting the IC as the host can just respawn them so I am waiting for an explanation as to what to roll to get the file downloaded and what did Mark do to get IC locked on him. (just for my own meta knowledge because it was not clear from your post.)
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ad 1: Mark wouldn't know, but since he's a more experienced decker than you are, he might guess. The hidden icon you saw - it was a patrol IC which has been monitoring you for quite a while. After it classified you as an illegal intruder, the host launched the IC.
ad 2: I don't think so, but I'm not certain. As far as I know, you can mark a slave via the master, but never the other way round. You shouldn't have permission to access that file. I'll reread the rules, though. Maybe if you could point out the rule passage where it says that a mark on the host also counts as a mark on its files, that would be very kind.
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the rules are very poorly wrriten so I am not going to try and piece it together I accept how you interperate them and we can move on.
About IC:
1. Sleaze actions when they are successful are unnoticed - this means that Mark appears to be a legitimate user. Any test that the system did to determine if Mark should be there indicates that he should.
2. Since entering the system with a successful sleaze operation, Mark has not yet done anything unusual he performed a computer search that is completely legal (if you have a mark on the system) he did not access unauthorized data (yet) and thus there is no reason why an IC will attack him.
3. The IC could not been watching Mark for quite some time because the IC is a program running on the host. Therefore before Mark entered the host the IC could not watch him. The host identifies Mark as a legitimate user and unless his overwatch is already at the point where the IC locks on him (that is very bad for us) Mark is not identified as a threat he need to get caught doing somthing illegal to do that the longest the IC could be watching Mark is 2 minutes where Mark did a perfectly legal search not different from the legitimate user.
4. note that Mark is under no threat from the IC as he is in AR, the worst that can happen is his RCC get bricked and Mark will have to spend several hours to fix it. I am worried about the IC because if IC attack mark it means that we lost stealth and that the hacking attempt is lost and it feels as if there was no way to make it successful.
About the file:
1. For Mark to find the file it either has to be on the host - or on a device that agrees to let Mark search it (extends Mark a mark). - the edit file action is the one used to access the file?
2. If the file is not on the host and Mark has no mark on the device - either from hacking or as it automatically extends a mark for basic usage than Mark simply cannot locate the file with a computer search as Mark can only search sources that he has access for.
About perception check:
1. If I roll a successful perception and all I get is 'there is an hidden icon' what do I need to do to find out what kind of icon? another perception check? Do we need to play 20 questions?
Please explain what we see differently because when I perform matrix actions it is a risk/reward thing if I can get caught and smashed despite succeeding the rolls I need to know and understand it because the way I saw it Mark needed to fail in some action - or to accumulate a lot of over-watch to get to the point where he fights for his life and we obviously do not see eye to eye on this thing.
So I need to understand - is getting caught and needing to fight IC depands at all at Mark's skill or these things can happen regardless of skill as part of the story. I am honestly okay on any interpertation you want and the last thing I want is to start an endless rules debate but I need to understand what the consequences of Mark's actions before I take something that has much higher cost of catastrophic faliure as you describe IC banging him and system administrator notifies of the security breach. The way I read that this is a lot worse than mentioning special data jacks to some supplier that might alert the temple this is getting caught with the hand in the cookie jar, and it feel that so far mark managed to do so well as he even extended edge to spare himself the consequences of a roll that have gone bad.
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Initiative (http://orokos.com/roll/373811): 9+4d6 17
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Whew.
Before I begin the explanation, I better start with an apology. While I don't
agree rulewise, you are absolutely right with your last comment. When you
said you looked for hidden actions, I should have assumed the whole process a
decker would usually undergo, instead of just continuing. I usually only GM
in real-life meetings where such a thing can't happen. Since I didn't get
what you meant in the first post, it felt like a lot of time had passed and
you had not reacted. But, of course, from the moment where I told you that
there is a hidden icon, you (as a player) didn't even have time to react. My
apologies for that. Let's fast-backward to the point where Mark inspected the
hidden icon more closely and realized that it was a patrol IC. You can react
in any way you like and you have not yet been discovered or attacked.
Still, there's a positive side this happened. Obviously, we have a different
interpretation about what patrol ICs do, and in order to roleplay this
realistically and without any more hitches, we should have the same
interpretation.
Having a mark on the host and doing only Matrix search actions prevents you
from being found by GOD or demiGODs, but is pretty useless against patrol
ICs. This is the very reason patrol ICs have been invented in the first
place. Check out the example in CRB 224, 225. Although BK has only entered
the host and searched for a file, the author worte: "A patrol IC is checking
out every icon, looking for users that don't belong. BK is running silent,
and the IC misses him ... this time." What a patrol IC does, he checks out
every single icon and compares it to, say, a data base listing legal icons.
Since you're not in a public but in a private host, you are not going to be
listed there, and thus will be considered an intruder. Since you are not even
running silent, the IC can spot you immediately. By all rights, you could be
identified and attacked as an illegal user from the second combat round on.
But let's assume that Harka is a little bit less paranoid and will have his
programs do some double-checking before he attacks anybody. Still, time is
running out on you, since you have been spotted and you are an illegal
intruder, having a mark or no.
In response to your comments:
ad 1) Right. They are unnoticed by the icon you are performing the action
against. This doesn't mean you are invisible to icons actively searching for
you.
ad 2) You have. You are in a place you don't belong.
ad 3) The IC only need one CR or two. You need minutes.
ad 4) You're right about that.
About the file:
It is on the host. That's why you are able to find it. Still, in order to break the protection and read the file, you need one mark at the file, which you don't have (yet). You have only marked the host, not any icons inside the host. Unless I am wrong (again), you can only mark a host if you mark its icons, not the other way round.
So, let's go back to the moment where you realize that you are under observation and time is running short. I grant you one Complex action headstart (or more if you don't search the file but react to the patrol IC instead). I hope this is fine for you.
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Rules.
1. This is the description of a patrol IC:
Attack: n/a
Patrol IC acts more like an agent than other intrusion
countermeasures. Its job is to patrol a host, scanning
people’s marks and looking for illegal activity using the
Matrix Perception action on all targets in the host. While
the act of placing a mark is an illegal activity, the act of
simply having a mark is not. Once you have the mark,
you are considered a legitimate user. Patrol IC has no
attack, but it shares its information with its parent host.
Since the Patrol IC doesn’t use Attack actions, it doesn’t
take Matrix damage when it fails. Most hosts have Patrol
IC and keep it running all the time.
This is why I think that while if the patrol IC had noticed Mark perform hack on the fly - it would have alerted the system. Once Mark accepted a Mark he DOES belong there. There is no alternative hacker proof list of authorized users - Mark's device is part of the list of authorized user and any security protocol has authenticated that Mark is allowed to enter the host. The patrol IC after all enforces the host's policy and Mark was granted access.
Sure Mark faked it all and this is why he is gaining overwatch as time passes and his ruse becomes more apparent. But a combat with IC should not happen before Mark is cauhgt or his overwatch climbs too high. If there is a combat - it will not be with a patrol IC because they are just doing perception checks.
2. Is a search even possible with a host if Mark illegally hacked his way inside?
The reason I am asking is that a search takes minutes and a combat turn is 3 second and in that turn a patrol IC can perform multiple scans. Mark and any other decker has limited dice for avoiding matrix perception when running silent - if the patrol scan's Mark 1000 times there is no need to roll, Mark will be discovered - and the patrol IC just knows that Mark should not be there. So Mark raises all the red flags, if in this game it is impossible to break in a host and remain there for several minutes without raising alarms then Mark's goal is unattainable and we need to talk about what kind of things can and can't be done with decking.
What I had in mind was enter the host and search it legally - then steal the file while running silent and hiding from IC and so forth. Because the way I read these things - I can be inside the host for a while as long as I am not caught doing illegal matrix actions. It is not how you do it so Mark's behavior should fit the way the matrix is in your game.
So the question asked: Is a matrix search inside a host an attainable goal?
Because it require Mark to be undetected for several long minutes where just spotting him causes the IC to fight him. Mark or any other decker can only successfully avoid matrix perception so many times - if you roll 100 times you'll find Mark.
3. Is there a list of matrix actions/configurations that result in Mark's getting the paydata without fighting IC? What sequence of actions do you see Mark doing to get that thing done? Because we seem to see things differently.
To the obvious problem of a program spotting Mark and calling the alarm if Mark is spotted there is a solution:
Hide (http://orokos.com/roll/375186): 12d6t5 6
Since I assume that the next op of the patrol IC will be to try and spot Mark:
Defend from matrix perception (http://orokos.com/roll/375189): 13d6t5 4
But I still feel odd that Mark is so quickly in troubles. So Perhaps with your interpretation Mark need to run silently ? I was thinking that running silently is only needed when performing illegal stuff (like stealing a file) rather then browsing around - this is why Mark is hiding in plain sight not doing anything illegal instead of raising suspicion by running silent. (How long can you remain undetected while doing somthing illegal like running silent - that obviously means I SHOULD NOT BE HERE - so I assumed I'll do what legal actions I do and then switch to silent, steal the file and get out preferably without suffering 100 of matrix perception attempts.
This is not how you see it - as we ended up in combat before Mark even touched the file. So please I need to understand how it can be done correctly according to the way you want the matrix to be.
5. The patrol IC text I quoted say that they cannot attack - so if Mark is fighting somthing it is other IC's summoned by the patrol IC.
The way I see it:
The good result is:
1. Mark get data undetected.
So So results:
2. Mark leave undetected - without data.
2. Mark is detected and get data. ** Taking the data will cause problems but at least we have it.
The worst that can possibly happen:
4. Mark is detected and leaves without data.
Somehow it feels like we reached 4 - even tough Mark had a very good hack on the fly roll and successfully marked the host. We rolled back so this is the only action Mark did so far, that and matrix perception.
Now did you intend for Mark to switch to silent running after marking the host?
It seems reasonable (providing that searching the host - is even feasible)
In that case why didn't Mark run silent ? - I'll need some help here as we see things differently about the matrix so I am not sure what the 'comon sense' is.
So please to avoid confusion: A list of actions of how an ace decker get to the host, search and get the file without setting off alarms. (Then I can check if Mark is an ace decker or not.)
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ad 1)
The thing you are confusing is: The IC are not attacking you because you do some illegal. They are attacking you because you're in a place you don't belong. This is not a straight-and-honest commercial host where everybody is invited to stroll around as they please. It is the private host of one evil son of a bitch who is ready to kill for a piece of privacy and gives a damn about whether you are breaking a law, protected by the law or basically anything else that has to do with legal stuff. In this host, there are only one or two legal users, and the IC knows them. If you are identified as "not Harka", it will launch a warning.
Please read the example in CRB 245. It describes perfectly how patrol IC is intended to work by the authors of Shadowrun. It does exactly the same Harka's patrol IC does.
Let's compare a patrol IC's work with an analogy. It's like a soldier patroulling around. What Mark did with his hacking is opening the maglock. The system (that is, the door) recognized your activity as legal, opened the 'lock and let you in. The soldier, however, will realize that you are here without permission, and raise alarm.
There is no combat yet. The combat will come if you fail to prevent the patrol IC from raising alarm. Then a more nasty IC will be loaded in order to get rid of you.
ad 2)
Of course it is possible. Just run silent and not get seen, same way as in a real infiltration. In Shadowrun, if you fail a check and retry, you lose one die. So all you have to do is hide long enough for the IC to lose its dice. Since your rolls are defense rolls and hence don't lose dice, there would only be three or four dangerous rolls. If you hide in a real place and a guardsman is looking for you, he too won't find you automatically by just rerolling his perception checks.
ad 3)
Of course not. This would be ridiculous. This is like asking "Is there a list of skills I can use while intruding a building that does not rise suspicion?" Again, exactly this is the reason why patrol IC was invented. If the regular security measures (that is, a firewall) would be sufficient, why bother buying patrol IC? If creating a mark would shield you from a patrol IC, it would be pointless. In your interpretation, a patrol IC couldn't do anything helpful. Just the opposite, almost every host runs a patrol IC because it can detect intruders that were missed by the system and GOD.
I can understand that it sucks if you managed all your rolls and yet are in trouble. But this is life. This is Shadowrun. If the group infiltrates a building, manages all their sneak and Locksmith rolls and is then detected by a spirit, that sucks as well. The enemy is never sleeping, and they are not restricted to passively react or wait till you're done with them.
ad 4)
There is no 4...
ad 5)
Opposed roll (http://orokos.com/roll/376140): 11d6t5 1
Right now, Hiding is a very clever idea. So if you do, you are hidden again and running silently. You can now either attack the patrol IC or continue your search and hope it won't find you again.
I hope, everything is clear now. Just think of a patrol IC as a watchman. Mark opened the maglock succesfully and then headed inside without concealing himself from suspicious eyes.
Anyway, no harm is done. You have hidden succesfully and I take it that you switch into running silent.
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A spider hits Slamm-0! (who is of course using
hot-sim) for a total of 8 Matrix damage. Slamm-0!
(or rather his deck) resists this damage with Device
Rating + Firewall, getting 4 hits. That means his deck
takes 4 boxes of damage. The spider is running Biofeedback, so Slamm-0! (not his deck) must now use
his Willpower + Firewall to resist 4P damage. Any unresisted damage sinks right into Slamm-0!’s brain, and
he marks it off his condition monitor.
??? this is the example in page 245 of my crb.
Mark will switch to running silent he is hidden - what happens now? was alarm raised? I still think he should have entered in silent but whatever. Should I roll a new search? more avoid perception rolls?
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lol crap
I meant 224 and 225. My bad.
I agree that he should have done it in the first place, only you didn't ^^
If anything bad would have happened, we could of course assume that he never underwent this glitch. Anyhow, nothing happened except that your OS raised by 1 point. No alarm was raised since the patrol IC didn't have the time to observe you.
Matrix perception (http://orokos.com/roll/376201): 5#11d6t5 4 4 3 1 1
Since it looses dice, the actual result is: 4 (for which you already rolled), 3, 3, 1, 1.
If you don't mind, please roll these 4 rolls. After this, we can assume that the IC gives up on you.
[EDIT: After that, you of course found and inspected the file. You can now continue with hacking a mark on the thing, breaking the protection and copying it.]
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4#14d6t5: 4 #
9 [14d6t5=3, 5, 6, 5, 4, 2, 3, 6, 2, 6, 5, 6, 6, 6]
1 [14d6t5=4, 1, 4, 3, 1, 2, 5, 2, 3, 3, 1, 3, 4, 1]
6 [14d6t5=2, 3, 1, 5, 6, 4, 6, 3, 3, 5, 6, 2, 5, 1]
4 [14d6t5=1, 6, 2, 5, 5, 2, 2, 4, 4, 3, 5, 3, 3, 2]
Mark will disconnect as soon he is discovered again - I think this host is too strong for his skills. Especially with -2 from running silent and in AR. We'll have to find some other way.
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you don't get the -2 penalty for the discovery check.
If I see this correctly, there's only 1 hit in 1 roll you'd need. Do you want to spend Edge in order to avoid the patrol IC?
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just disconnect and give up.
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Whatever
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Sorry for the fuss but it seems that without hot sim and or magic and running silent Mark skills are not so bright and there are many rolls to do and not enough edge.
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But why then don't you just use your magic?
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Because using magic just backfired and made us botch social contact and now we are in the street. Is it reasonable to cast F6 improve logic in the middle of the street? The way you describe that neighborhood we could not even bring the car how violent/hostile does people become in Thamal if they notice Mark uses magic?
Previously we were alone in a clinic so how many people could possibly notice it. The way you described that neighborhood even bringing the car was impossible so Mark could not use that for cover.
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Because using magic just backfired and made us botch social contact and now we are in the street. Is it reasonable to cast F6 improve logic in the middle of the street? The way you describe that neighborhood we could not even bring the car how violent/hostile does people become in Thamal if they notice Mark uses magic?
The way I see it, the spell only made Harka go crazy because of the already really, really tense situation: Two strangers come into his clinic, ask weird questions about his illegal business and kind of (or at least indirectly) threaten to blackmail him. He was alone against the two intruders, nervous and probably scared and only waiting for an reason to call his security-ork to throw us out, so under these stressful circumstances it it should be understandable that the spark of a spell being used in enough to throw him off.
But now the circumstances are completely different: you are - correct me if I'm wrong - in a local momo-citchen where nobody expects hostility or is watching you closely. Alternatively, if you still think the risk of using magic is too high, you could just look for a more secure and secluded area: in the case of Thamel there is probably some kind of massage-spa close by, or you just visit the restroom (should they have one).
Over all, hacking the clinic really is such a golden opportunity, I don't think we should miss it:
just think of all the data Harka has, probably the protocol of every operation the temple made the kids go through, that's pretty much all of the data Mrs. Johnson wanted from us! If Mark could extract the data, this would save us the trouble of stealing it directly from the temple, (or murdering Harka and his security-ork to get the hardcopies from him,) which should be a hell more trouble.
I think that would be worth one point of edge and maybe going somewhere safe, but Mark is your character, I'm just giving my opinion on this because I think the resluts of hacking the clinic effect the whole team.
Previously we were alone in a clinic so how many people could possibly notice it. The way you described that neighborhood even bringing the car was impossible so Mark could not use that for cover.
Bringing the car was impossible due to the extremely narrow streets, and because someone could have stolen it, but again: bars, brothels and massage-spas should provide sufficient cover. Or you can just call Scarcrow to cover you.
@GM: How is the location Mark chose? Does it provide cover or is it just a rotten street-stand?
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Well in case it is such a golden opportunity let's try to go all in. I afraid I will not have edge for later but lets worry for that...later. With the improve logic +4 dice -2 from running silent I'll have a bonus of 2-3 dice on the host so lets hope it is enough not to burn all the edge. We failed the con vector to get it and the murder method is a bit extreme - we might still need to hack the host even if we physically murder them.
Logic increases the defense from matrix perception: (logic + sleaze) so that 1 has became 3. On tie the defender wins so Mark remain hidden.
logic dice (http://orokos.com/roll/376484): 4d6t5 2
Improve logic (http://orokos.com/roll/376181): 14d6t5 4
drain (http://orokos.com/roll/376182): 9d6t5 3 no drain taken.
F6 improve logic spell so 1 success in perception test is enough to learn about it, but if Mark is in a toilet or something it might be alright. I try to figure out what is reasonable and whats not.
So computer search find our data of interest.
computer search (http://orokos.com/roll/376604): 9d6t5 5
Once found: Hack on the fly to place a mark on the file.
Hack on the fly (http://orokos.com/roll/376605): 15d6t5 7
Edit file to download the file to his comlink:
Edit File (http://orokos.com/roll/376606): 13d6t5 3 kind of low-wish.
Mark will use a point of edge to reroll:
Edit File(reroll) (http://orokos.com/roll/376607): 10d6t5 6
9 hits limited by data processing (6)
2/3 edge left and we may get the file unless Volker get dice luck. In that case we'll see what we do.
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Fine :) I'm glad this is sorted out.
You don't have to re-roll the computer-search, so I take it, that this roll is the one point of spent edge to avoid getting seen by the patrol IC, if that's okay for you.
Opposed Rolls (http://orokos.com/roll/376865): 3#10d6t5 4 1 5
The first one is the Opposed roll against Hack on the Fly. So Mark put one mark on the file.
The second is to crack the protection. Since the host scored only 1 hit, you don't need to use your edge to break the protection.
The third one is against copying the file. Please roll one last Edit File action and try to crack the 5 scores. Remember: Should you fail this roll, you only failed a Data action, so you don't alarm the system. All that happens is, that you suffer the -1 (or -2?) penalty for retrying when you attempt it a second time. So there will, most probably, again be no reason to spend Edge. That is, if you don't roll really badly afterwards.
So, assuming that you manage to copy the file, you have 2/3 edge left and the file on your deck.
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Edit file (http://orokos.com/roll/376881): 13d6t5 3
Edit file (http://orokos.com/roll/376882): 13d6t5 6
Okay.... should take a few tries but 5 successes are doable.
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Strictly speaking, you would suffer a dice pool penalty for retrying and the Opposed roll is rolled again for each attempt:
Opposed Roll (http://orokos.com/roll/376897): 10d6t5 1
But anyway, you've done it.
EDIT: For deleting the version on Scarcrow's link, you don't have to roll. You can assume that the Rat erases his version himself. I'd say one score on a computer test will do, so you can just buy one hit and leave the rolling be.
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By the way for someone who do not even carry a deck on him, a decker is not something obvious about Mark. At a first Glance he should appear as a rigger, with drones and RCC in radio range at all time and a high quality RCC. Should we be worried that he background check us - or worse or is it a coincidence reference?
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My bad. Since you're such an awesome decker, I completely missed the fact that you're using an RCC. I corrected the post. Thanks for remembering.
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Thanks for the clarification and the compliment!
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So... I think we can move on?
But beforehand, I'd like to settle our next steps:
1)I guess we all agree that our next target should be the weedman?
The easiest way to interrogate him should be the rented room/flat close to the temple. However, depending on the surroundings, he might get suspicious if he hears familiar noises etc from outside.
@Volker: Does the temple use loud bells, chants or anything that could give away the actual position of our interrogation room/the appartment?
If so, I'd suggest we rent a room in one of the shadier, more quiet areas of Ktm.
2) Do you think examining the protocol(and thereby sending it to an expert) is worth our time?
We still don't fully understand WHAT they did to the kids and I feel like it would be helpful und understand the full complexity of the process, but to be honest the only necessary information was the fact that the process is indeed pretty much permanent. Now that we know that, I think we can actually afford ignoring the scientific details and just move along.
If you don't agree: to whom shall we send it? Liz is our only suitable contact, but Mrs Johnson would certainly not be pleased if an independent cyberdoc is informed of this new secret tecnology. Sending it to Johnson directly would be - from my point of view - the better move.
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Sorry, I missed the fact that the message was not only directed at Jack and Gilga. Yes, the temple can be loud during ceremonies. I don't remember how close the appartment to the temple was, but IIRC you had a direct line of sight, so yes, you would be given away. That is, he would notive that there is a temple nearby, not necessarily that it is the temple.
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Alas, in that case using our apartment comes with quite an unnecessary risk: he might (as long as his mind is rather clear) recognize the specific chant of the temple or a voice he knows, be it from a chanting monk or a street vendor.
If no objection cometh I then suggest that we rent a room in a shady quarter with some night-life-activities, then it won't be suspicious if we carry a "drunken friend" upstairs late at night.
That ok with everyone?
Can a spirit search for the weedman? If not, a drone? Or we could ask around in which pups and clubs he can be found, but that could raise suspicion.
Then the easiest way of approaching him would probably be the casual atmosphere of a club late at night, then he should hopefully already be rather drunk/high/both and be lured off easily.
Or what moves would you suggest?
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Apartment: no prob;
A spirit can only search for him if its conjurer can summon a mental image, i.e. Mark must've seem him before.
A drone can, basically, but in Kathmandu, that's tedious work.
The weedman doesn't penetrate puppies.
For Mark it should not be difficult to locate him by simply observing the temple in disguise.
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I'd have preferred the tried and tested method of distracting the victim by asking for a cigarette/directions/the exact time than taze him and shove him into a waiting van.
And yes, I meant an interrogation room somewhere isolated, not our observation post/head quarters.
Best would be a holiday bungalow somewhere a bit outside of the city.
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It should be no problem to rent a room in Thamel, where people don't care about screams. Outside the city, it might take a bit more effort bit we can compromise the process to a skill roll with an appropriate skill against threshold 2 (one hour a roll)
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Is "area knowledge" suitable to find a bungalow? If so, Cinder has the highest pool.
How about Mark watches the temple then, either in disguise or via a drone? Gilga, what do you say?
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it definitely is.
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Alright:
Area Knowledge (http://orokos.com/roll/387685): 9d6t5 4
Should be no problem to find something.
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check
Cinder finds and rents a cheap motel somewhere southwest of Swoyambunath. It's 80 nuyen a night and does not include any security measures.
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@gilga Are you still playing? We haven't seen you in a while.
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A bit hectic in RL - I try to follow the plot as much as I manage to.
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Fine by me. Do you want me to take control of your char in the meanwhile (as long as I think that I am sure to roleplay him accordingly) or shall we just wait until it's easier for you?
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@gilga
Since you repeatedly posted in other boards, is it safe to assume that you want to quit this thread?
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Sure sorry - I kind of lost track.
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lol
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Lucky hat mich gerade darauf hingewiesen, dass es jetzt keinen Grund mehr gibt, nicht einfach auf Deutsch weiterzuspielen. Passt das für dich, Jack?
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Von mir aus gerne ;D
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Passt. Bei direkten Reden auf Englisch bleib ich auf Englisch. Wenn wir Deutsch reden, soll das Nepali heißen (Muttersprache = Muttersprache, Englisch = Englisch) :)
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Möchte nur noch mal erwähnen, dass der Hinweis mit Manisha kein Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl sein sollte. Ich hatte nur wirklich den Eindruck, dass es untergegangen wäre.
Ihr habt noch einige andere Leads offen, z.B.
- tatsächlich den Küchenjungen (naja)
- die Daten, die Mark geklaut hat (Ich führe Mark übrigens als NSC gern weiter, ihr könnt also auf die Ressourcen zugreifen)
- Es ist mal die Möglichkeit, in den Tempel einzudringen, im Raum gestanden.
- Ihr habt auch noch den Namen von Uncle Prasad, der Bikki trainiert hat
Also feel free to do whatever you think wise. Tut mir leid, dass ihr jetzt ein paar Mal die Dead Ends erwischt habt. Da war ein bisschen Pech dabei...