[norskface]

I really have problems with my sneaky sneak character street scum placed in Sarajevo. I could pull off a little money (never enough), to get priorities D on Cash and two times C with Skills and Attributes, but that actually doesnt give me really the blow, just some used muscle replacement which I would had to exchange later on anyway and also dont let me use my preferred weapon (Bow) over the crossbow.
At the same time the character is missing a lot of Skills, to make it good rounded and working for the concept.
Im lacking a little bit ideas how to finish this…


I have tried to write my stuff together, what I got so far:
Either: Skills (B), Attributes (C), Metatype (D)=Elf, Magic(E), Cash (E)
Or: Skills (C), Attributes (C), Metatype (D)=Elf, Cash (D), Magic(E)

The attributes I only placed as minmaxed as I could for the moment with the skills I have and use and buy the rest may a little up with karma:
Bod=1??
Agi=6
Rea=1
Str=5
Wil=1
Lo=1
Int=4
Cha=8 (Im leaning towards to take some social skills for backup, but Im not sure if 8 is overblown, it was just karma wise decisions)
Edge 5
Ess 6 or 1,5

Skills:
Stealth group either up to 5 for (B) or all at Palming and Sneaking at 6 and Disguise at 4 with (C)
Gymnastics 6
Archery 6
One Social Skillgroup at 2 for (C)
For sure buying at least 1 point in Etiquette and Perception

Cyberware, if I go with Cash (D):
Used muscle replacement 2 or 3, (37,5k or 56,25k) which I found still wouldn't let me prioritize the bow over the crossbow damage wise, so I skipped it. And hope for fast cash flow.

Gear:
Chameleon Suit (is Electronic Clothing necessary to use it to bland in?) 1,7k +0,5k
Glue Sprayer 150
Miniwelder 250 or crowbar 20
Keycard Copier 6 3600 (maybe later? And its maybe no use without Logic and Hardware skill)
Gecko tape gloves 250
Grapple gun??? (I thought its cool, until I saw it uses the exotic weapon skill)

Ok, I know this is far from finished and Im sorry I badder you all with this, but I just got stuck with him. I planned to make an cool sneaky assassin which you maybe never see. But as we all know the game is not always like that, so I thought of picking up some social skills too. I even hesitated about demolition, till I saw its Logic based again.
I tend towards the Elf, because I found it cool and when I saw the race gives me some bonus on my Agi I just went with it. The Archery I also just found cool, but Im still not sure, if its may just too bulky and its silent use is not that big advantage of just some kind of other weapon.
It would be nice if I could take your time to give me some advice, especially because of the street scum problem I run into.

[ZeConster]

Don't put 2 attributes at racial minimum unless the minimum in at least one of them is more than 1, and get more than 1 Edge.

[Michael Chandra]

It's already hard to minmax a character without making a bad character at normal levels, at Street Scum levels you definitely shouldn't hard-cap and soft-cap this many attributes. Right now your karma-efficiency attempts make for a horrible broken character, so you should start making sacrifices there.

[norskface]

Hm yes, so may I put Agi back on 7 and even out the restly points of Cha on the other Atributes?
Im realy now sure, what is more important.... Bod for damage, Willpower, I can only see resisting attacking Hackers and Logic.... well Im not sure too what I realy nead it for.

That Edge is just on one was maybe basicly, because the Character is far from finished, like I said, but I hope I have enough Karma in the end still left, to rais it.

[Imveros]

you should definitely add more reaction and body or you will die in the first combat. You need body for soak dice and reaction for initiative and for doge pool. More edge is also nice for when the drek hits the fan

[norskface]

I may should skip the bow and gow with s.th. using Agility, but just Pistols and Monowips come to my mind.

Do you have any suggestion, what would be my weapon of choise?

[Imveros]

mono whips rock for low str runners. Just remember, if you do go that route YOU NEED MORE THAN 1 EDGE! Monowhips can kill you just as easily as the baddies if you roll poorly. Also more body is always useful for melee fighters. Pistols are nice especially the few burst fire options.  The lower the enemy defense pools the better!

As for other build options. I suggest bringing cha down to at most a 5 then moving str down to a 3, especially if going mono whip, then bringing reaction and body up. Will and logic of one is rough, but you could always up one for 10 karma or put those on the to do list. I also suggest going human D for those 5 sweet edge points. If you take my advice and drop cha to 5 then there is no point to being an elf anyway. Humans can have 6 agi and then just buy some contacts to the low light vision if it is important.

At the end of the day though its all up to you. There are a lot of tough choices for a street scum game and all we can offer is advice

[norskface]

Yes the advice is the thing Im looking for.

I may do as you said, or even drop Cha lower and hoping for the best, whyle I maybe go for Explosives at the same time. But I dont see any other use of Logic for my character, I gues some breaking and entering skills are more important. (Well explosives can be also usefull for that, but are not so realy stealthy)

[Imveros]

logic is important to keep your mental limit up. The mental limit is super important for perception tests and several other useful skills! Though i admit i tanked logic myself. I made up for it with Mnemonic Enhancers though!

[Michael Chandra]

With Audio/Vision Enhancements to boost the Perception limits, it's not that big a problem there, but it can be rather annoying for other mental skills.

[norskface]

Ok now I come up with the character actually almost finished built and totally overworked. He is not anymore Elf, like mentioned from you guys, but I made him a Elfposer still. I think I will go with pistols as second or primary skill with which I plan to do silent Kills from the shadows, or poison People with some special Ammo. If I better should go with Automatics or Crossbows, please point this out. Also which Pistol I should try to get as the game starts since I dont have Gunheavon3.
Im still really not satisfied with my Attributes, so just respond how I should rewire them. I guess its better to have an higher Intuition over Reflexes, if not both can be at 5. Also Im thinking of dropping Strength to 1 and Boost instead Cha or Logic more. I dont feel really happy, because its so less optimized, but I followed your guys advice kind off.

Im totally out of money, as you can see and i have to drop some of the Gear again at chargen. I thought of leaving the climbing gear behind and even buy the sh**** comlink (also if I really worry with my Gecko gloves, but I heard there is anyway not really a Grid to hack it in Sarajevo).
As for Sound devices and Microphone Im not really sure yet too.

Metatype Human

Attributes   Augmented         _
Body              4/6       
Agility          6/6       
Reaction          4/6      
Strength          2/6      10
Willpower          1/6      
Logic             1/6      
Intuition                  5/6      
Charisma          2/6      

Special                  _
Edge             5/7
Magic            _
Essence          6
Intiative 9+W6

Qualities               _
+Catlike               7
+Homeground               0
+Natural Athlete            7
-Elf Poser               6
-Incompetent in Cracking         5
-Mild Alergy

   

Skills                   _
   Combat Active
Pistols            6
Monowhip         6
      -
   Physical Active
Gymnastics         6
Disguise         6
Palming            1      2
Sneaking         6 (
Perception         1      2
      -
   Social
Acting Skillgroupe:      5
Con                            5
Inpersonation         5
Performance                 5
Etiquette                 1      2
      -
   Magical
      -
   Resonance
      -
   Technical
Locksmith                 6
      -
   Vehicle         
      -

Knowledge Skills             _      
   Street
      -
   Academic
      -
   Professional
      -
   Interests
      -
   Languages
      Rumanian (N)
      


Augmentations               Essence      ,000¥    
   Headware
      
   Bodyware
      
   Cyberlimbs
      

Gear-                               
   Weapons
Monofilament Whip                  10000
      -
   Ammuntion

      -
   Armor
Chameleon Siut                     1700
      -
   Technology
Gecko tape gloves                  250
Endoscope                             250
Goggles (6)+Lowlight, Image link, Thermographic vision, Vision Enhancement (3)   2825
Autopicker (6)                     3000
Lockpick Set                             250
Climbing Gear                     200
5 Stealth Tags                     50
Renraku Sensei                     1000
      -
   Licenses (SINs)
      -
   Kit
      -
   Vehicles
      -

Lifestyle
I gues Squatter
   -
                        ¥
Contacts
   -

Edit: Im sorry for the numbers not being in place, I dont know why that happens. When I write it, it just looks normal. (the number in the end means normaly that I payed Karma for it like on a Skill of 1 its 2 Karma)

[MijRai]

So 16 Attributes (C), Human Metatype with 5 Special Attribute points (C),  37/5 Skills (B+1), no Magic (E), 19,925 nuyen spent (Assuming E with Karma?).  Regardless, you've got some numbers messed up somewhere, as well as mixed up Priorities. 

Also, how is Incompetent in Cracking relevant to you, if you have no other computer/decking/Resonance related skills? 

[norskface]

Yes Skills (B) 36/5 + 3 Skills bought on 1 with Karma, Atributes (C), Metha (D), Magic (E), Money (E)+ invested Karma, but I know I still nead to drop some of my stuff in order to go along.

Was the requirement to have a Skill in the skillgoup in order to take it as incompetent? I thought you cant make a unskilled test for it and also can only raise it very difficult. I actually meant Electronics, because of Hardware, but till now I also dont have it.

Edit: Ok I saw I mistakely put my Edge on 7 instead of 5, I corrected that.

[MijRai]

Yes Skills (B) 36/5 + 3 Skills bought on 1 with Karma, Atributes (C), Metha (D), Magic (E), Money (E)+ invested Karma, but I know I still nead to drop some of my stuff in order to go along.

Was the requirement to have a Skill in the skillgoup in order to take it as incompetent? I thought you cant make a unskilled test for it and also can only raise it very difficult. I actually meant Electronics, because of Hardware, but till now I also dont have it.

Edit: Ok I saw I mistakely put my Edge on 7 instead of 5, I corrected that.

You've also got that ( 8 ) in Sneaking; a specialty?  That would put you at 37.  You can't have any skills in a skill-group; I was asking how not being able to hack (which only Technomancers and Deckers need) would affect you.  If it is the Electronics group, it makes much more sense, thanks.

[norskface]

With the sneaking 8 comes from catlike.

If you have any suggestions on my Attributes especialy, I would be glad  .