Shadowrun
Catalyst Game Labs => Catalyst's Shadowrun Products => Topic started by: happybritches on <10-10-13/1323:06>
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My gaming group is eagerly awaiting further word on the release of the Shadowrun Introductory Box Set. Having a set of easy/simple adventures, along with cheat sheets, makes learning a new gaming system much easier. Is there anyway we might get another release date post regarding this item?
Thank you heaps!
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RNB posted on FB earlier this week that he had received the "white page" copy of this for review...assuming this is a draft from the printer to confirm color/layout?
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What wonderful news!! I can't wait for this product to be released. This and the new runner's toolkit.
Cheers
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Sweet; can't wait for that GM screen... Anyone know if there's a chance that this will be a PDF release as well?
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No idea re a PDF, thought I would be surprised if they didn't offer one. Kind of curious to see the screen they are putting together...the one that Pegasus has done for the German release looks pretty awesome.
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RNB posted on FB earlier this week that he had received the "white page" copy of this for review...assuming this is a draft from the printer to confirm color/layout?
No, it's used to determine if the box is strong enough to contain the contents. Too weak and we know what happens. Too strong and it's wasted money. The name comes from the fact that the boxes are plain white boxes.
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OK...that makes sense...thanks.
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RNB posted on FB earlier this week that he had received the "white page" copy of this for review...assuming this is a draft from the printer to confirm color/layout?
No, it's used to determine if the box is strong enough to contain the contents. Too weak and we know what happens. Too strong and it's wasted money. The name comes from the fact that the boxes are plain white boxes.
So, does this mean that the introductory box is finished and the only thing left is choosing and printing the boxes? If this is the case, wooohoooo!
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It definitely sounds like things are shaping up nicely, though they're still being pretty cagey regarding release dates ;)
On the upside, Jason posted (on FB) about an upcoming ebook focusing on assassins :D
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RNB posted on FB earlier this week that he had received the "white page" copy of this for review...assuming this is a draft from the printer to confirm color/layout?
No, it's used to determine if the box is strong enough to contain the contents. Too weak and we know what happens. Too strong and it's wasted money. The name comes from the fact that the boxes are plain white boxes.
So, does this mean that the introductory box is finished and the only thing left is choosing and printing the boxes? If this is the case, wooohoooo!
It is very unlikely that production happens in such a linear fashion - I would expect both the box and the contents with which the box is being tested to be mock ups, facsimiles, or drafts... but that doesn't mean we aren't just waiting on production from this point.
It'd be flat out weird if Catalyst already had all the contents that go in the box printed and warehoused before ordering the boxes to put them in...
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Wouldn't it be weirder for them to test boxes without any idea what the weights and sizes of things will be? You gotta know the contents before you can build the shell.
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Wouldn't it be weirder for them to test boxes without any idea what the weights and sizes of things will be? You gotta know the contents before you can build the shell.
They don't have to wait for the final production items to know the size and weight - those are determined by factors they are already aware of, and they can create mock-ups (or use drafts) to try out the box... that way all the pieces of production (both box and contents) can be taken care of in serial rather than in series.
(prepare for an example with numbers from my butt)
If it takes 3 months to finish editing, do layout, get proofs, approve proofs, print, and warehouse the contents and it also takes 3 months to design, test, produce, and warehouse the boxes... that would mean it takes 3 months total to get the contents in the boxes ready to ship - where waiting for the contents before starting in on the boxes would mean 6 months.
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It would really be a shame if the Intro Box wasn't out by christmas. This would be the perfect gift for a buddy that is moving.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Wouldn't it be weirder for them to test boxes without any idea what the weights and sizes of things will be? You gotta know the contents before you can build the shell.
They don't have to wait for the final production items to know the size and weight - those are determined by factors they are already aware of, and they can create mock-ups (or use drafts) to try out the box... that way all the pieces of production (both box and contents) can be taken care of in serial rather than in series.
(prepare for an example with numbers from my butt)
If it takes 3 months to finish editing, do layout, get proofs, approve proofs, print, and warehouse the contents and it also takes 3 months to design, test, produce, and warehouse the boxes... that would mean it takes 3 months total to get the contents in the boxes ready to ship - where waiting for the contents before starting in on the boxes would mean 6 months.
Right. The post, and accompanying picture that they put on Facebook mentioned that they had gathered enough modules and the like to be the equivalent weight and composition of what they would be putting into the starter box... it didn't look like they had the actual contents ready to go. Just a stack of various softcover books, some dice, and a few gear decks, which looked like SR4 gun/gear cards.
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Not that Amazon is always correct, but they put up a release date of December 18, 2013. If this is true, I can get it before X-mas and use this start learning the new system. I have the quickstart, its very helpful, but I'd like a little more. I have the corebook, but the rate its falling apart, I am scared to read it at the moment until I can find a way to put the pages back in.
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Looks like this is going to print later this month:
Introductory Box Set Part1 (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2013/11/introductory-box-set-part-1/)
Hopefully that means we'll see a PDF release in a similar time frame ;D
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This is the original announcement:
As you hopefully have noticed, we have some ambitious goals for the Year of Shadowrun. One of these goals is to get as many people playing in the Sixth World as possible. With computer games, a deck-building game, a miniatures game, a board game, and the Fifth Edition of the tabletop role-playing game, we’re set to provide a range of gaming experiences for Shadowrun. But we’re missing one link.
As we have been planning the various games, we’ve worked to maintain continuity between all the different pieces. We want them all to feel like Shadowrun, and that means they should not only have the flavor text and terminology that conveys the texture of the universe, but when possible they should share certain mechanics and ways of doing things. The goal would be for players to be able to have a sense of familiarity each time they sit down to one of these games, though the games should also provide unique experiences suited to their various natures. This means that if you play Shadowrun: Crossfire, the deck-building game, then move to the role-playing game, you should recognize different elements, pieces of gear, and rules that feel familiar to you.
We hope this will help people move easily from game to game, but we also know the role-playing game do not have the gentlest learning curve in the world. So to help players of the other games get involved in role-playing, as well as bringing entirely new players to the world of Shadowrun, we are announcing a new product: the Shadowrun Introductory Box Set.
The goal of the set is simple: It should have everything you need to quickly and easily launch an adventure in Shadowrun’s Sixth World setting. It should be approachable, fun to use, eye-catching, and entertaining.
With those larger goals in mind, we set about planning the contents for the box. Here’s what’s going in:
The Edge of Now: A world book introducing players to the madness, magic, and mean streets of the Sixth World, providing what they need to know to hit the streets at top speed.
Rules of the Street: A simplified rulebook that includes the critical elements of Shadowrun—Matrix, magic, machines, and so on—in an easy-to-use fashion.
Plots and Paydays: An adventure book with complete information on missions for the players; they can be played alone, or as a longer, inter-connected campaign.
Character Booklets: Four pre-generated character sheets, with stats, background, favored tactics, and advancement possibilities—everything you need to pick a character and start earning some nuyen.
Character Sheets: Custom sheets for each character, with complete stats for easy reference, along with full-color character art.
Maps: Modular maps of common areas shadowrunners may run into that can be arranged in different ways to suit a variety of missions.
Spell and Gear Cards: Cards that list the stats spells and gear included in the game, so that players have an easy reference in front of them.
We’re looking for ways to include more, including counters that can help you track the position of your runners and their opponents as they go about their business. We’re also hoping to include customized dice instead of just standard D6s; we love seeing the Shadowrun logo come up when we roll dice.
Also, the cover illustration is being worked on by the wonderful Echo Chernik … once we’ve got in a final, just like the Fifth Edition cover, we’ll share!
We believe this set will make it easier than ever to launch into Shadowrun role-playing, and we hope it will introduce a growing audience of gamers to the joy of shooting people in the face for money.
Jason Hardy
Shadowrun Line Developer
The Character Booklets alone are amazing, and were written entirely by Critias. They're each about one of the shadowrunners on the cover of SR5 (A recent art release means I can mention that one is the elf shaman). It has full breakdowns of the characters as well as solo adventures to introduce players into how to play that specific character type (so you can pretty well guess the roles of the other 3).
And I recall Randall was still discussing the possibility of dice very recently (on Twitter?).
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Thanks for the info...even more interested now ;D
Not sure about Twitter, but Randall indicates that dice are being sourced overseas, though no indication east or west.
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Oh, yeah. It was probably in that long post he wrote about the box set. :)
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Indeed if was :)
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Here's hoping if dice are included they elect to put the Shadowrun on the 6 side, unlike the Warhammer 40k Imperial dice which had the logo on the 1 side. Nothing like seeing the logo of your army come up when you fail...
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That's how it's works with CGL's previous custom dice.
They're not monsters. GW has that role locked down.
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They're not monsters.
Although some of the Freelancers that work for them are. ;D
*Roasts marshmallows over the burning wreckage of an Ork Underground school*
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Well, that certainly does provide a visual for us... ;D
Gives some of Jason's comments on FB a lot more context... ;)
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Well, that certainly does provide a visual for us... ;D
Gives some of Jason's comments on FB a lot more context... ;)
There is a reason Bull and him want to beat me with my own cane. ;D
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I thought it was because you did better work while injured?
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I thought it was because you did better work while injured?
More like they can't get away from the work if they are too injured to move.
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I thought it was because you did better work while injured?
More like they can't get away from the work if they are too injured to move.
So you're saying that if we injure them, we'll get more frequent books? *starts looking for a bat*
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No. That's not the chokepoint.
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Then perhaps others should be the focus of said cane and beating? ;D
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Then perhaps others should be the focus of said cane and beating? ;D
My cane gets a lot of use, and is not something I think badly about having purchased.
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TMI, CanRay. Or maybe it should be CaneRay...
:D
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Then perhaps others should be the focus of said cane and beating? ;D
My cane gets a lot of use, and is not something I think badly about having purchased.
So THAT's what happened to the sheep!
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No, it isn't.
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From the CGL tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/66893577312/a-day-in-the-life-shadowrun-introductory-box-set), the contents of The Box:
1. North America Poster Map
2. Computer Game Ad
3. 8 maps [order of maps is irrelavent]
4. 5 Character/GM Sheets [order of sheets is irrelavent]
5. Adventure Book (Plots and Paydata)
6. Rulebook (Rules of the Street)
7. World Book (The Edge of Now)
8. 4 Character Booklets [order of booklets is irrelavent]
9. Quick-Start Rules
10. Catalyst Catalog
11. Fire & Ice Novel Excerpt
12. Weapon/Equipment Cards
13. D6s in plolybag (1 bag)
14. Instruction Sheet
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From the CGL tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/66893577312/a-day-in-the-life-shadowrun-introductory-box-set), the contents of The Box:
11. Fire & Ice Novel Excerpt
Novel excerpt...ahhh...Jason's comments on FB now making much more sense... :)
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all this talk... pre-ordered on it on Amazon.. I love this edition.. can't wait for the box.
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So... is this coming out the date it says on Amazon? I saw Dec 18th and its only a few days away, and suddenly I noticed the date is gone now.
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As noted (at length ;D) elsewhere in the forums, you shouldn't put any stock in the release dates that Amazon has for SR (and all CGL) products. As we have no formal announcement from CGL, I don't think we'll be seeing this in print until well into Q1 2014 (though I'd be very happy to be proven wrong).
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The only SR product with a street date of December 18 is the SR5 GM Screen.
Which reminds me that when I get a chance I need to add the Street Date and Released tags to the appropriate tumblr posts.
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The only SR product with a street date of December 18 is the SR5 GM Screen.
Which reminds me that when I get a chance I need to add the Street Date and Released tags to the appropriate tumblr posts.
The box set had this date originally and that was the main reason I ordered it. LIKE I SAID, it suddenly changed from Dec 18th to No date.
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Lord Nikon; read this: http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=13598.0
As has already been stated in this very thread, Amazon release dates are not official.
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Lord Nikon; read this: http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=13598.0
As has already been stated in this very thread, Amazon release dates are not official.
OH I know. I am not mad AT ALL. I was just simply asking if there was any projected date on it..
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Your writing style indicates that you are, in fact, mad. Unless I'm just misjudging your tone, which is quite often the case on the internet; if that's the case, disregard. If you are mad, why? Anyone with a little bit of common sense should know by now that release dates are not set in stone until the message about items being shipped actually arrives; until that happens, all you can do is settle down and wait. Spending energy being mad because a product you want is not ready yet isn't very healthy, and it certainly won't make the product ship any faster.
In any case, to the best of my knowledge projected dates have not appeared anywhere here on the forums nor on their tumbler page. In fact, their last update on November 13th about the box set simply mentions that they are "about to send the Shadowrun Introductory Box Set off to print".
I'd say this is another classic example of the Army doctrine of "Hurry up and wait". I wouldn't be surprised if the Box Set arrives in Q1, 2014 at some point.
Another interesting point is that Run & Gun is mentioned on the same tumbler page as being "the first core rules expansion for Shadowrun, Fifth Edition…", on November 1st. I must have missed that earlier, but yay, Run & Gun! Also probably Q1, 2014, or as Blizzard puts it; soon (http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon). :D
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Regarding Run & Gun, JH(?) responded to a question/comment on FB for Gun Heaven 3 release that is was nearing layout:
Shadowrun SR5 Arsenal, called Run & Gun, is approaching layout. It's coming!
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Gah, not cool releasing new info on Facebook for those of us who refuse to partake in social media. I would've thought that was what the tumbler site was for...
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;)
In fairness, it was a reply to a question rather than a formal "release". That being said, most updates seem to come via FB/Twitter/Tumblr first...it does filter out via other medium, but just takes a little more time.
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Gah, not cool releasing new info on Facebook for those of us who refuse to partake in social media. I would've thought that was what the tumbler site was for...
I repost blog posts from shadowrun.com, the shadowrun tabletop blog, the CGL/Harebrained/Cliffhanger twitter accounts, and the SR/SRM facebook accounts. But as AJ said, it's not quite an official info release. But I've been too busy to check FB.
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Coolio; it'd be nice if all the info coming out of Catalyst came out of one official source is all I'm saying, not scattered across three to six websites and social media outlets.
Minor complaint though, as I manage to catch most info in a reasonable timeframe. That and I have a subscription at drivethrurpg. I did miss the original window on the Shadowrun Online kickstarter, but it's all good.
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Generally speaking, any official word on SR5 does appear on shadowruntabletop.com/blog. It just doesn't always appear there first, but it does appear there.
But I also make a pretty good effort when I have time to ensure that anything official related to Shadowrun, whichever property, is posted to the tumblr. When they let me start the Shadowrun tumblr, they gave me dispensation to post whatever I want so long as I don't break my NDA. Given the whole Year of Shadowrun, I've also been covering all of the properties—SR Returns, Online, Sprawl Gangers, Crossfire, etc.—however I see fit. Plus the constant positive coverage of SR:R helps draw traffic to the tumblr from people who can then get into the game. But that's all at my discretion. It helps that there's also now an official CGL tumblr.
For the most part, you don't have to worry about it. If it's not on shadowruntabletop.com/blog or shadowrun.tumblr.com it's not official and it's almost certainly discretionary like references to the development process for different products and while it's official insofar as it is something stated by an official representative of CGL, it's not "for official release" like street date announcements.
As it happens, what I know that has been mentioned publicly somewhere or another is that there are movements on the Intro Box Set, on a box set for BT that I forgot they're also doing, Crossfire, and a couple of products like Run & Gun.
Then there's also stuff that hasn't been mentioned. There's the stuff that can be inferred as in-progress but where official word has been silent of late like the errata/FAQ, Sprawl Gangers, the novels/fiction, and ebooks ranging from enhanced fiction to the Shadows in Focus series that I guess is official now that it's been mentioned in the Jackpoint page for Coyotes and Gun Heaven 3.
There's stuff that hasn't been mentioned officially but can be inferred from common sense: core supplements.
There's the stuff that's known to CGL and its partners and to freelancers that we can't mention.
And finally there's stuff that's only known in-house at CGL (which basically means Randall, Jason, and maybe a few other people).
Even the stuff I post about on the tumblr can end up not happening or change (maybe significantly). Just the fact that sell sheets for retailers can differ from what is final is further proof that is how it is.
Which is all a long way of saying that there are many reasons why they don't make major announcements until pretty much they are certain that a product will be sold. If it's not on shadowruntabletop.com/blog it's just not that important for you all to know because there's nothing you can do about it anyway. If it is, it generally means that you can buy it. And that's that. It is a business after all.
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Crimsondude Thanks for taking the time to answer so thoroughly; very much appreciated :)
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Pretty big update:
Shadowrun Introductory Box Set: Now Splitting Into 2 Great Box Sets! (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2013/12/shadowrun-introductory-box-set-now-splitting-into-2-great-box-sets/)
Long and short, they're going to release two box sets instead of one; release dates for both have been pushed back to April 2014.
Beginner Box Set Sell Sheet (http://cdn.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/Downloads/CAT27101_Shadowrun-BeginnerBoxSet.pdf)
Runner's Toolkit Alphaware Sell Sheet (http://cdn.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/Downloads/CAT27102_Shadowrun-RunnersToolkitAlphaware_v2.pdf)
Kind of mixed emotions on this one...not sure why we need two introductory versions of the rules (different one for each box)...$60 seems "high" for the Alphaware box, but will have to wait and see.
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Forgot to note the following (bold by me):
I’ll continue to share additional details on those box sets in the coming weeks. Additionally, we’ll be releasing a “Shadowrun Tools Digital Box” that combines both of these print boxes into a single great set of electronic tools for players, for sale in the near future.
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Crimsondude Thanks for taking the time to answer so thoroughly; very much appreciated :)
Thanks.
It's been weird posting here knowing about the change to the box set, which is one reason for the delay, but again not being able to say anything.
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That does explain things somewhat... ;)
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YES! Electronic versions are highly appreciated...
To be honest, the only things I'd want from the Beginners box set is the 24-page primer and the adventure book to run new players through; everything else I could give or take.
Definitely getting the digital version, so best of both worlds, I guess...
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It's been weird posting here knowing about the change to the box set, which is one reason for the delay, but again not being able to say anything.
Welcome to my world.
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@PeterSmith and/or Crimsondude - can you guys confirm if the cards being provided in the Alphaware box are new/different from those recently released back in Nov?
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I have no idea.
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Fair enough - appreciate the answer ;)
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Well it is good to know that this is going to be released, however I am quite disappointed that they are releasing this as two boxes AND pushing it back until April. We were told in their post about "The Year Of Shadowrun" that this product would be out in the spring of last year. My FLGS owner is scared to sell these products due to the inaccurate release dates they keep throwing around. I was really hoping to give this product as a christmas gift. Was all of the talk about mocking up the box and what not bullshit? Why is there so much misdirection coming from a company as small as Catalyst?
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Why is there so much misdirection coming from a company as small as Catalyst?
They take their time to make everything perfect. And they deliver.
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Why is there so much misdirection coming from a company as small as Catalyst?
They take their time to make everything perfect. And they deliver.
For a second, I thought this was serious. I think the misdirection comes because the company is so organizationally fragmented that people honestly don't know what everyone else is doing. It's not misdirection, it's just a symptom of the internal confusion about what the company is doing.
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Even if you don't take the post serious, it still contains the truth.
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For a second, I thought this was serious. I think the misdirection comes because the company is so organizationally fragmented that people honestly don't know what everyone else is doing. It's not misdirection, it's just a symptom of the internal confusion about what the company is doing.
This is serious. I do mean it. Haste makes waste: if CGL need time to do something, we are in no position to hurry them. They will do their best and will deliver a great gaming experience.
They do make mistakes, yes. Everybody does! But these mistakes are minor: some inconsistencies in supplements, not the best wording in rules, occasional slips in rulings. But just imagine all the titanic work they had to do with SR5, all the weight of past editions on their shoulders, all the criticism they had to hear. And yet they managed to perfectly balance innovation and traditions of one of the hardest settings in gaming history and pack the game with intuitive and understandable rules.
Truth is, they deserve all the time they need.
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Look at it this way: Nearly every serious problem with SR5 Core came from a rushjob.
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Look at it this way: Nearly every serious problem with SR5 Core came from a rushjob.
Curious as to what you mean by this?
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Look at it this way: Nearly every serious problem with SR5 Core came from a rushjob.
Curious as to what you mean by this?
There are a few instances that if you go and and look at SR4a, the text is copied over, instead of re-written for SR5.. so, it causes confusion, because the rules have changed, so reference to old rules throws a wrench in the works. This may be laziness and not just a rush, but more time spent should have found these.... and no, I don't recall each exact one, but the forums are seeded will with the instances.
My biggest problem is with the printing.. The pages aren't bundled into 32 page fold bundles and glued in groups, each page is glued individually it seems to the spine, and that is why pages seem to be falling out. Granted, this is the Printer, and not CGL, but still. Some of the other books on the market around this size.. Pathfnder, and Star Wars Edge of the Empire.. if you look along the spine, the Glue wad is a lot thicker, and the pages are folded and connected in smaller bundles, and each bundle glued into the spine, making them a lot more durable and resistant to pages falling out.
This is probably a rush job issue as well. If they were willing to have the books even later than they were, they probably could have had few test books shipped, examined, and found the shoddy binding job, and sent them back for a better binding job... Just like they probably could have waited on the 2nd printing until the Errata was out, but first printing sold out before street date because demand was so high.. so, another rush job to try to get Shadowrun into as many hands as possible
I say probably, because these are my best educated guesses
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There are a few instances that if you go and and look at SR4a, the text is copied over, instead of re-written for SR5.. so, it causes confusion, because the rules have changed, so reference to old rules throws a wrench in the works. This may be laziness and not just a rush, but more time spent should have found these.... and no, I don't recall each exact one, but the forums are seeded will with the instances.
Gotcha...thanks for the clarification.
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There's also the points where there's multiple versions of the same rules fragmented throughout the book, due to different temporary versions not having been fully cleaned up. HotPatch fixed one, fortunately.
I still really like the book. But it's clear evidence that rushing them isn't a good idea. :)
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There's also the points where there's multiple versions of the same rules fragmented throughout the book, due to different temporary versions not having been fully cleaned up. HotPatch fixed one, fortunately.
I still really like the book. But it's clear evidence that rushing them isn't a good idea. :)
Like Called Shots
p 163, Call a Shot says "See Called Shots p.178.. so you go to
p 178 "Any time a character wants to make Called Shots (p.195). . .
So, one mention sends to a page, just so you can get another mention to go to the right page, instead of sending you to the right page to begin with.
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That's not that bad. :P Try playing a Rigger.
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Split into two boxes? One being the base beginner's box and the other a kind-of-sort-of Runner's Toolkit?
Well now my hype has gone up and I'm slightly dreading the end result.
I mean, the initial list looked reasonable enough on what you could fit in a Beginner's Box. What the hell could they have possibly added to it? And what's supposed to be in this other box that warrants a $59.99 price tag?
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They take their time to make everything perfect. And they deliver.
Given their more then a few spelling and other errors in past products, no that's not it......
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You mean the extremely-rushed Sprawl Wilds and SR5 Core? Because those are an exception to the rule.
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To me, the worst part about these sort of wild speculation/excitement/disappointment threads is that I can't clear the air the way I'd like to, because backstage discussions are under NDA.
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I'm really glad I don't know what is discussed backstage, because that means I actually can gossip.
Truth be told, I don't mind what we heard about the box, they're taking their time and making sure it gets done well, and that means it won't be a disappointment.
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@Critias - TBH, that comment alone really helps (me, at least). Thanks
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You mean the extremely-rushed Sprawl Wilds and SR5 Core? Because those are an exception to the rule.
No I mean WAR and several others that have spelling and grammar errors all over the place that make it annoying to read.
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Ah, you're talking SR4. Yeah, I really dislike WAR.
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As an aside (pardon the thread necromancy), considering that I have SR4A, how useful would the Introductory Box Set be for me?
Especially since I don't have $60 to spend on the 5E Core Book?
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There are some pretty decent reviews of the digital content out there. If you've are already familiar with the game, but on a budget, might be an idea to check out the 5th QSR which are free. Of course, you can always get the PDF of the core rules for $20, but not sure if digital content is of interest.
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I'm more of a hard-copy kinda guy, though thank you for your suggestion. I'll think about it.
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"Decent" is being generous...
And if $60 is too much for you, there might not be any point in getting the hard copy, considering that the Alphaware box (where all of the good stuff is at) is priced at $60. Together with the Beginner's Box, it's $80.
I've been backwards-converting the modules in Plots and Paydata for SR4A. It's definitely doable, and that in that regard, not much difference between the two editions.
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"Decent" is being generous...
Note that by "decent" I was referring to the review describing the contents (at least in my opinion), not necessarily the "rating" of the product.