[DatajackTheFirst]

I posted some house rules sometime back which I won't repeat here, and also discussed this idea with Jason Hardy at Gencon last year (Which he really liked). Basically the idea is the a technomancer can use Resonance with all technology, not just the matrix.  Since TMs  use basically the same rules as Magicians, they can be given a list of Adept like "Powers" they can buy that mimic cyberware/bioware.  Just like an Adept/Magician can get around the restrictions of cyberware/bioware, for example, by using the Improved Reflexes Power or Spell, a TM should have some mechanic to also get around their rescrictions on the use cyberware/bioware as well. In fact, since Resonance works on technology it makes much more sense for them to be able to do this.  I would just convert all Echos to these Resonance Powers (and add a bunch more) and then give the TM a "Power Point" when they get a new level of Submersion.  And give them a number of these Resonance Power Points = Resonance at character creation just like an Adept.   I would keep these "Resonance Powers" to be limited only to things technological.  If it can be done with Cyberware/Bioware then the TM should have powers to emulate these.  This would also allow a player to not only have a "Resonance Decker" at character creation, but they could also create a Resonance Rigger or Resonance Street Samurai archetype as well.  It would open up the TM to so many new options.  TM is a very cool concept and I think something like this would take them to the next step and make them very flexible and very fun to play.  Just my 2 cents.

[ShadowMaster]

Simrig Complex form
Each success gives one sense (Players choice) with emotion being one as well.

[living]

A month ago i was a little technomancer. i got less dice for rigging then a rigger (because i could not afford good reaction and only got the rig echo lvl 1 cause i had to take skin link) and got less dice for hacking then a decker (cause i laked specialisation, cerebralbooster and programms)(and he can be a full time sam beside). but i got 3 things running for me. i could be a rigger with a sleaze attribut, i could use puppeteer (only with edge because drain kills, and i only got 3 edges [the hacker got 7]) and i could snoop devices all the time thx to static vail. So overall i got a lot of disadvanteges but i could survive by really hard trying.

After Chrome and Flesh the rigger and the decker got like 4-6 dices more for theire actions (nanits and intuition booster). the only way to prevent the gap (which is already huge) from getting bigger is to cyber myself. now i save up like 400k money (and cant afford any new drone or weapon mount) and like 150 karma (to emerge and raise resonanz again) to keep up with them. before i gather all the nuyen and karma i can't use any of it (because droping and raising resonance part by part would the karma cost increase to 200 karma). and im fucking stuck in the system and really pissed.

[FrowningMirror]

Datatrails had streams for dissonance but no normal resonance streams.....

It would be a step in the right direction if we had 1 or even 2 pages dedicated of streams.

Mainly though, technomancers need a niche. And early too. In SR 4 they only got their best unique stuff after their version of initiation, the main critique back then. I wouldn't mind if a lot of this stuff was available as something technomancers could get with just karma at character generation to get them rolling into action.

[Moonshine Fox]

Looking over some of the old 3rd ed Otaku stuff and I saw something that could be added. Back then Otaku had three sources of power. Sprites, which have been transferred to Technos pretty my exactly. Complex forms that where used to emulate complex programs became the Technos "Spells". But Otaku also had Channels, which allowed them access to the basic functions of the Matrix. Others have suggested adept like powers or a permanent effect that can be bought for the same price as a CF, why not make these Channels. They could also be used to make a more Technoadept style TM rather then the Cybershaman

[ShadowMaster]

Widgets should be brought back but as something similar to enchanting. Resonance constructs that you can spend karma on to bind to yourself and make permanent.
This would allow for sustaining widget, complex form widget, fading widget, compiling widget, decompiling widget, registering widget, echo widgets, etc.

[tytalan]

Otaku also had deamons which were a step above your sprites I think these should be brought back as well give the Techno's some short of familier buying like a mage can

[korusef]

Otaku also had deamons which were a step above your sprites I think these should be brought back as well give the Techno's some short of familier buying like a mage can

+1
I want my electronic Kerberos ...

[rayous]

I would like the interaction between being a technomancer and having cyberware spelled out. Mages can get benefits from cyber eyes, can technomancers benefit from anything other than stat adjustments?

[gilga]

I think that technos should be priced lower on priority. (to use the adept row) it will solve many of the build problems. Right now they are priced like mages and it is too much for what they can do.

They also need a way to temporarily lift their limits, to give their builds a bit more flexibility. So a low intuition technomage for example still do sleaze operations. My suggestion is to use their mental limit as the limit of every operation a techno perform in the matrix using his persona. I think it is very simple and gives a lot more freedom in playing a techno. Right now the common sense is that if you do not soft cap all mental stats you cripple your techno. (it implies Attributes A as almost a must.)  If we simply use the mental limit they are free to customize their characters a lot more.

[Darzil]

Whilst I largely agree the limits are a pain, I'd suggest reducing fading on the increase attribute complex forms, and give a tool to sustain them at low levels without penalty

My Will 4, Intuition 4, Logic 6(, attributes D, Decker has a mental limit of 9, which makes me think mental limit as limit for all hacking attempts is a bit overpowered compared to Decks.

I'd be quite tempted just to suggest +1 or even +2 to limit (and not matrix attribute) for Technomancers. It's not as if limits higher than 6 or so at chargen levels are going to be hit often. (There is a reason that Sony deck is a trap for deckers)

[DeathStrobe]

We also need clarification if complex forms can affect the living persona and sprites. CFs that hit devices can work on devices that are running personas since it clearly says that. But what about persona's that don't have devices?

Also, allow 'ware to effect the living persona, like data jacks. Its iconic that former Otaku should get some benefit for having data jacks.

[korusef]

We also need clarification if complex forms can affect the living persona and sprites. CFs that hit devices can work on devices that are running personas since it clearly says that. But what about persona's that don't have devices?

Also, allow 'ware to effect the living persona, like data jacks. Its iconic that former Otaku should get some benefit for having data jacks.

A complex form with a Device target can also be used to target a persona.

Personas are personas, doesn't matter whether they run on devices or not. Are you suggesting you cannot Resonance Spike other TMs?

[DeathStrobe]

In fact that is what I'm saying. You might not be able to infuse or defuse Matrix attributes or Puppeteer on a TM/Sprite/AI too.

[Zweiblumen]

Each complex form entry has a Target describing what it works on. A complex form with a Device target can also be used to target a persona.

Doesn't say anything about that persona needing to be device based.