[Chrona]

Maybe the possible E-Ghost Dragon, the one that got the Datajack?

Man that'd b AI level dangerous

Whoah. Wait. Dragon on the Matrix.... Technomancers.....

[CanRay]

Maybe the possible E-Ghost Dragon, the one that got the Datajack?

Man that'd b AI level dangerous

Whoah. Wait. Dragon on the Matrix.... Technomancers.....

Yep, what I was thinking too.  And how can you not cut a deal with a Dragon when you can't even tell they're a Dragon, due to the Matrix? 

[FastJack]

I forgot what book it was in but our anonymous poster said "we" when referring to dragons of the 6th world.  Unless of course I just dreamed it.  I will have to go over my stuff to see if I can find the post.

Sorry Freddie, it was "their ilk"

Great dragons and their ilk have yet to accept that the world moves faster than them, and it has no regard for their plans. They may think long-term, but humans are unpredictable and a bit crazy. We’ve also been playing this game for millennia without end.

[CanRay]

Only "a bit crazy", eh?  Guess The Poster With No Name doesn't know (Meta)humanity that well.   

[Longshot23]

Extending an analogy made between TM & Sprites and Magicians & Spirits/Elementals . . . I propose that the Poster with No Name is the equivalent of a Great Form Free Sprite.

Only just thought of this, so apologies if anyone already came up with it.

[Crimsondude]

Maybe the possible E-Ghost Dragon, the one that got the Datajack?

Cerberus?

[Charybdis]

Great dragons and their ilk have yet to accept that the world moves faster than them, and it has no regard for their plans. They may think long-term, but humans are unpredictable and a bit crazy. We’ve also been playing this game for millennia without end.

Let's just focus on this single thread post, and assume all of it is true.

If 'we've' been playing the game for that long, it can't be a matrix construct or technomancer, as they're just not old enough

For it to be a free spirit or great form version, it would need to have found some way of accessing the matrix (and seeing as Spirits normally can't view any AR or electronic screens (Street Magic p.92), it would have to have found some way of doing so through a weird proxy interface... like a typewriter hooked up to an audio recorder or something...but again, the coding requirements to hack Jackpoint make this very unlikely.

Great dragons can and have made forum posts in the past, however if we believe the term 'they' is being used in context, then the poster is not a great dragon, so we can rule them out.

We're left with the following requirements:
- Is a group of entities (ie 'we')
- Have existed for thousands of years (ie 'Millenia')
- Can extensively utilise Matrix technology (for the pure expertise required to hack JackPoint....even just once, let alone repeatedly)

Which means we're pretty much limited to:
- Immortal elves
- Infected (I don't know if this is canon, but since many Infected are Immune to Aging (Vampires and Nosferatu especially), it's possible some may have survived from 4th Age to 6th)

My money's on Infected, because I'm hanging out for stats on Dracula, and maybe a cool backstory about a 4th Age vamp being one of the great leaders of a 5th Age civilisation like the Mayans, Romans, Vikings etc....

Hmmm, seeing as Dracula is a bastardisation of 'dragon', maybe he was a member of the human clans ruled by either Mountainshadow or Deinarastas, was then Infected (as there were vampires in the 4th Age), and took the name Dracula as a later homage to his mentors....

If it IS The Infected hacking JackPoint, it could have the Ordo Maximus involved. Dammit! Martin deVries was right! Arrrgggh!

What?! Why is everyone looking at me like that?  It could happen! 

[CanRay]

Maybe the possible E-Ghost Dragon, the one that got the Datajack?

Cerberus?

I think so.  That's the problem with only half-remembering books and such.

I need to work better on my collection.  At least CGL is putting out good quality PDFs of old books at a decent price.  I just got the Street Samurai Catalog, on sale no less.   

Still wish I bought the DTF one at my FLGS back home years ago.

[Crimsondude]

I can't recall if Cerberus has been described as active in the Matrix since his body went comatose/dead.

[Charybdis]

We're left with the following requirements:
- Is a group of entities (ie 'we')
- Have existed for thousands of years (ie 'Millenia')
- Can extensively utilise Matrix technology (for the pure expertise required to hack JackPoint....even just once, let alone repeatedly)

You're not really reading the whole thing.

*Shrugs* Nope. Quite deliberately (I'm at work, and am WAAAAY behind )

If you want to widen the search, it could be Astral entities controlling technomancers/matrix specialists to do the hacking work and give voice to their own terrible thoughts (eg Horrors, which are older than the Great Dragons, and the GD's in Earthdawn mythology are the first Namegiver race and predate all other sapient life on the planet)

Insect Spirits could also be an option. No idea how old the Hive is on the metaplanes...

But I like Vampires better

Also, Horrors would be less likely to go on rants about Horizon

[Crimsondude]

Wouldn't they? The most powerful ones were successful because of how thoroughly they are able the manipulate people into harming themselves and others. That seems ... counter ... to Horizon's stated goals.

However, I also say this not remembering much about ED or much caring for it.

[Charybdis]

Wouldn't they? The most powerful ones were successful because of how thoroughly they are able the manipulate people into harming themselves and others. That seems ... counter ... to Horizon's stated goals.

Indeed, however with the technology expertise required, it seems unlikely that a clever horror would be taking the effort to hack Jackpoint with seemingly meaningless drivel, when it could be out getting a good meal on huge and proper suffering caused by gridlock on the interstate and intermittent mobile phone outages (*cough* Crowley *cough*)

[CanRay]

*Sings Ozzy's "Mr. Crowley" in the key of off*

[Crimsondude]

Well, Dawkins Group also seems to consider JackPoint enough of a threat or ... something ... that it infiltrated JP. Dawkins only does that to destroy said groups. Makes you wonder why JackPoint.

[CanRay]

Well, Dawkins Group also seems to consider JackPoint enough of a threat or ... something ... that it infiltrated JP. Dawkins only does that to destroy said groups. Makes you wonder why JackPoint.

Other than the fact that it was started by one of the oldest and best Hackers/Deckers/Hackers in the business?  Filled with high-end Shadowrunners and Fixers with connections all over the world?  As well as stores information on a variety of topics that are esoteric and weird, outside the perview and "Out of the box" as possible from a Corporate viewpoint (Even one as dynamic as Horizon)?