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Kirito99

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« Reply #45 on: <09-20-15/1631:19> »
Apart from verbal quarrels, since it's near end of September, when we should expect this book ?

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« Reply #46 on: <09-20-15/1924:26> »
Sorry AJ I was trying to quote Crimsondude who responded to my question above with a "Yes" I am assuming he was trying to funny.  I asked if anyone knew what the next Deep Shadow after Hard Targets was and what it is covering.  While Crimsondude answer of yes might right it is not a true answer to my question.
On the contrary. "Yes" is a perfectly valid answer. It's jyst not the one you want.

It is,  howevr, the only one you're likely to get for a while due to NDA restrictions.
NO it is a baiting and sarcastic answer and we have enough verbal fights on the forums as it is with out people encouraging more with your type of answer.  If you can not give a none sarcastic answer please give no answer.

Or it's just a tongue in cheek response that also lets us know that yes, there is at least one more Deep Shadows book in the works.
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« Reply #47 on: <09-20-15/1956:59> »
Sorry AJ I was trying to quote Crimsondude who responded to my question above with a "Yes" I am assuming he was trying to funny.  I asked if anyone knew what the next Deep Shadow after Hard Targets was and what it is covering.  While Crimsondude answer of yes might right it is not a true answer to my question.
On the contrary. "Yes" is a perfectly valid answer. It's jyst not the one you want.

It is,  howevr, the only one you're likely to get for a while due to NDA restrictions.
NO it is a baiting and sarcastic answer and we have enough verbal fights on the forums as it is with out people encouraging more with your type of answer.  If you can not give a none sarcastic answer please give no answer.

Think I have to side with Patrick on this one.  If you look at the original question and response we see the following:

Anyone know what the next Deep Shadow Book after Hard Targets?

Yes
Now if you have ever worked with genies or demons, you have to understand wording is essential. 
Now I am not implying CD is either one (though rumours of pics of CD wearing a Barbara Eden 'I Dream of Jeanie' Costume at a previous GenCon is just too disturbing to consider), but the initial question was answered, granted in the most minimal way possible, but answered nonetheless.

Your reply to the response was initially understandable as you were hoping for some tidbits or teasers, however as Patrick mentioned NDAs are a thing and CD probably can not elaborate even if they desired to.

Your comment to Patrick following it however was a bit over the top as CD's response did not come across as baiting and sarcastic, but rather just poking fun at a question.
You will find many gamers have a bit of a warped sense of humor along with a bit of rules lawyering in all of us which can be a bit odd, especially on a forum where nuances may not carry across easily, but you come to take it in stride.

Now if you had worded the question to be 'Can anyone tell us what the next Deep Shadows book will be', then there may well have been a different answer, ranging from a No from CD if they could not disclose that information or maybe a bit of a teaser if they were allowed to.
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« Reply #48 on: <09-20-15/2032:05> »
Sorry AJ I was trying to quote Crimsondude who responded to my question above with a "Yes" I am assuming he was trying to funny.  I asked if anyone knew what the next Deep Shadow after Hard Targets was and what it is covering.  While Crimsondude answer of yes might right it is not a true answer to my question.
On the contrary. "Yes" is a perfectly valid answer. It's jyst not the one you want.

It is,  howevr, the only one you're likely to get for a while due to NDA restrictions.
NO it is a baiting and sarcastic answer and we have enough verbal fights on the forums as it is with out people encouraging more with your type of answer.  If you can not give a none sarcastic answer please give no answer.
You, uh, you know it wasn't Patrick that gave that answer, right?

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« Reply #49 on: <09-20-15/2033:50> »
Think I have to side with Patrick on this one.  If you look at the original question and response we see the following:

Anyone know what the next Deep Shadow Book after Hard Targets?

Yes
Now if you have ever worked with genies or demons, you have to understand wording is essential.
I'm worse than either a demon or a djinn. I'm a lawyer.


That said, there is no publicly-available information on upcoming Deep Shadows books. If there was, I wouldn't have just given a smartass answer.
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« Reply #50 on: <09-21-15/0524:42> »
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I'm worse than either a demon or a djinn. I'm a lawyer.
Would Exorcism work in that case?

Interesting that there is so much interest in a book dedicated to wetwork. I always thought shadowrunner's are the good guys  :o :-[  ;)

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« Reply #51 on: <09-21-15/0558:32> »
A large percentage of characters I've encountered won't do wetwork, but the assassin concept is cool (see the fact that Assassin's Primer was released) and it also says it includes new gear and info on a new area in Shadowrun (by some definitions of new) so it's got more than just wetwork runs in it.

But hey, I'd make a character who was willing to do wetwork if the stuff in the book seems like it'd make for fun games.  I'm sure others feel the same way.
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Jeeze.  It would almost sound stupid until you realize we're talking about an immortal elf clown sword fighting a dragon ghost in a mall.

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« Reply #52 on: <09-21-15/0620:16> »
Just because all Shadowrunners have a heart of gold doesn't mean that they aren't looking to finish the jobs as quickly and safely.as possible. And violence is often the "best" answer. (and with missions, often the only answer)
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« Reply #53 on: <09-21-15/0623:24> »
Just because all Shadowrunners have a heart of gold doesn't mean that they aren't looking to finish the jobs as quickly and safely.as possible. And violence is often the "best" answer. (and with missions, often the only answer)

The Sixth World is a violent place, omae.  That's a good way to put it though.  Assassination/wetwork techniques are useful for any runner, even if it's just to be able to defend yourself against them.
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Jeeze.  It would almost sound stupid until you realize we're talking about an immortal elf clown sword fighting a dragon ghost in a mall.

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« Reply #54 on: <09-21-15/0633:37> »
I have to disagree with you Sendaz.  If we were computers I would say yes his answer was acceptable but we are not and Lawyers would answer in twisted legalese that would tell us up was down and there is no spoon.  Yes Gamers have mess up senses of humor and yes young gamers have a tendency to be rules lawyers,  After 39 years of gaming and more than a few Gen Con’s under my belt I know this well.  The fact of the mater he could have been both without being sarcastic, a one word answer like “ YES “ is at the least demeaning and at best condescending.   Neither his response nor yours were witty they are just bothersome. 
As for Lawyers no you cannot exorcise them you must put them in a barrel full of holy water than lunch them into the Sun than you might have gotten rid of them maybe.             

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« Reply #55 on: <09-21-15/0748:27> »
Welcome to the internet where tone is nearly impossible to convey.

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« Reply #56 on: <09-21-15/0830:51> »
Welcome to the internet where tone is nearly impossible to convey.
Which is why people need to put more effort in expressing their thoughts.

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« Reply #57 on: <09-21-15/0957:40> »
And more leeway in interpreting them.

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« Reply #58 on: <09-21-15/1224:29> »
Maybe also to practice what they preach...
Your welcome to your thoughts but if you dismiss my thoughts than I'm going to rebuttal yours. That's how it works.  Sorry if you find this process not to your liking.   

Cuts both ways, neh?

Anyway, back on topic. 

So with all the talk of wetwork in the teaser, it's interesting that the cover art focuses on the Troll and team that look to be transporting someone and have just gotten hit rather than the attackers themselves. 

Hopefully we get some material for both sides of the coin for both offense and defense. Maybe some new tips/gear/abilities for the bodyguard/bullet shield role.
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« Reply #59 on: <09-21-15/1237:33> »
I am hoping for gear/tactics that can be used by most characters as well, not just assassin style runners.
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Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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