[Mäx]

Eject clip and change firing mode as free actions are explicitly mentioned to be wireless bonuses.

But the router allows you to get the wireless bonuses without using wireless, so thats no issue.

[Xenon]

It give you the wireless bonus of your internal cyberware while your chrome is still wireless off.

If you also have a wireless datajack then your internal chrome can still "wireless" connect to an external wireless device even if your internal chrome is wireless off.

Your internal router is used by your internal cyberware.
Not by your external wireless devices.


Your external firearm still need to be wireless ON if you want the wireless bonuses of your external firearm. Your wireless external firearm is not connected to your internal router (unless we are talking about an internal cyber weapon).

[Kincaid]

Still waking up at my desk, but it seems like you could eject clips with a wire and DNI (p. 424) and remain dark.

Now that the coffee has kicked in, I realize that's a wireless DNI feature, not just a DNI feature.

[Mäx]

Your wireless external firearm is not connected to your internal router

If i run a cable to it trought my datajack, yes it is.

[Xenon]

The Internal Router allows your cybernetics to to be wireless off and still get a wireless bonus. It does not say that it allows external devices to be wireless off and still get a wireless bonus.

It also say that if you have a wireless enabled datajack then your cybernetic can communicate with the rest of your [wireless enabled] gear. It does not say that your cybernetics can communicate with the rest of your [wireless disabled] gear via a wireless disabled datajack (by using a wire).


Internal Router
By using the body’s internal neural network as “wires,” the internal router allows the user’s cybernetics to communicate with one another as if they were wirelessly connected and, if expanded via a datajack or similar broadcast-enabled piece of cyberware, with the rest of the user’s gear.


1) You can run your internal augmentations wireless off and still get wireless bonus.

2) If you want your (now wireless off) internal augmentation to still talk with a wireless enabled external device then you need a wireless enabled datajack (or an internal commlink or cyberdeck).

[Mäx]

2) If you want your (now wireless off) internal augmentation to still talk with a wireless enabled external device then you need a wireless enabled datajack (or an internal commlink or cyberdeck).

Except that makes absolutely no sense what so ever, ofcource this is SR5 so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

Not being able to replace wireless signal with a wire is possible the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.

[Xenon]

Of course you can still run your firearm wireless off and connect it to your DNI with a wire, but then your firearm don't get it's wireless bonus. Your Internal Router does not enable wireless bonuses in external devices. It enable wireless bonuses in internal augmentations.


Having said that, since there is a free action called "Change Linked Device Mode" that talk about devices linked to your DNI either via wired or wireless connection, I always thought that you should get many of the action economy bonuses (wireless bonus to let you do stuff as free action rather than simple action) as soon as you had a link from the device to your DNI (either wireless or via a wire - and no matter if you have internal router or not). I guess the reasoning was that wireless connection had higher bandwidth and was ultimately slightly faster... faster enough to give you that extra edge needed to do things as a free action rather than a simple action. But most economy bonuses actually only require that the device is wireless enabled, not that you also have access to DNI(!)

(the firearm wireless bonus on p. 424 is the exception rather than the rule)

Replace all economy bonuses from a "Wireless" Bonus to a "Linked to DNI" Bonus!

[Teknodragon]

A bit late to the discussion, but a few general thoughts:

Deckers and Technomancers have much, much fun invading opponents' cyberware, doing things like turning off their eyes, turning off wired reflexes, bricking eyes, looping obscene images on their image link.

Corporate internal security can do sweeps of wireless traffic to detect cyberware in locations where no authorized personnel are supposed to be. What piece of 'ware is an infiltrator or weapons specialist willing to give up to avoid these while having their eyes, ears, internal weapons, foot anchors, etc. work at a higher capacity than wireless-off mode?

[jim1701]

My advice is if you want one of these things just save .5 essence and get a betaware version just after chargen.  .49 essence, 8 availability and 22,500 nuyen. 

[Mäx]

I guess the reasoning was that wireless connection had higher bandwidth and was ultimately slightly faster

Witch ofcource allso doesn't make anysense what so ever, wired is and always will be faster then wireless.

But i ques nothing matters, as the wireless bonuses themself mostly dont  make a slick of sense and are just something tacked on to make combat hacking viable option when it really shouldn't be.

So in the ends it comes down to "houserule wireless bonuses away if you want to keep your sanity intact"

[Bulshock]

If the GM is being honest Combat Hacking isn't really viable anyways... all your wireless stuff should be Silent Running.  Which makes it impossible to know what you're going to hack unless you are searching stuff out well in advance.  Add a half dozen stealth tags, or whatever you can manage to hook up to your pan, suddenly there is a whole lot of chaff for the hacker to go through. 

[Xenon]

"hmm.... I wonder if his eyes might be wireless enabled... I am trying to spot the device icon of his cyberyes"

"how many silent running icons are there in the vicinity that are not rfid-tags?"

[Bulshock]

How can you tell if it's an RFID or not without scanning it?  By the rules you can't as far as I know if it's running silent.

[prionic6]

There was a brief time when hackers thought they could confuse security by flooding hosts with dozens of RFID chips running silent, but once they figured out that demiGODs knew enough to design their scans to screen for icons that were running silent and were not RFID chips, the days of that trick were numbered.

No idea how exactly you do it.

[Xenon]

How can you tell if it's an RFID or not without scanning it? 

DT seem to imply that you can...

DT p. 69
....demi-GODs knew enough to design their scans to screen for icons that were running silent and were not RFID chips, the days of that trick were numbered...