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Xenon

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« Reply #15 on: <07-20-15/0252:52> »
1) Instead of slaving your reaction enhancers and wired reflexes to your commlink you now run them wireless off.

2) Instead of slaving your eyes, datajack and smartgun to your commlink you now run your eyes wireless off and just slave your datajack and smartgun to your commlink. As long as your datajack and your smartgun are not bricked your smartgun system will benefit from wireless bonuses.
- You can also benefit from the camera on your smartgun and the +2 accuracy bonus by turning your smartgun (and datajack) wireless off and connect a wire between your gun and your datajack (but you don't get wireless bonuses like compensating for wind, both bonuses when you take aim, positive dice pool modifier when shooting, eject clip and change firing mode as free action this way).
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« Reply #16 on: <07-20-15/0843:27> »
Ah, I see. So its pretty much a must have Item, if you can fit its massive essence cost.

There are plenty of other things that probably most characters would be better off using to mitigate their exposure. It takes a pretty heavily cybered character to get a real benefit from this & they are going to be constrained by the Essence cost. If it was .2 or .3 than yes this becomes a much more common & must have augmentation. A Commlink running a Wrapper Program, on the Public Grid, while Running Silent is enough for the vast majority of characters instead of this. Rebooting your PAN is not an issue unless you are the Decker... so getting Bricked is highly unlikely. Get an Agent to scan for Marks every turn & flip the switch if it sees one.

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« Reply #17 on: <07-20-15/0937:11> »
How do you run both wrapper and agent on a commlink...?

(also, both your and your agent would get a negative dice pool modifier of 4 dice on matrix actions such as matrix perception, change icon, matrix search, edit file etc...)

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« Reply #18 on: <07-20-15/0945:26> »
Better hope your Agent rolls high! The false positive glitches could be a nightmare!

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« Reply #19 on: <07-20-15/1041:34> »
What do you mean by "both bonuses when you take aim"?

Also, connecting a smartgun to your datajack would allow you to eject a clip and change firing mode with free action, you have a dni link to the weapon.

- You can also benefit from the camera on your smartgun and the +2 accuracy bonus by turning your smartgun (and datajack) wireless off and connect a wire between your gun and your datajack (but you don't get wireless bonuses like compensating for wind, both bonuses when you take aim, positive dice pool modifier when shooting, eject clip and change firing mode as free action this way).

Xenon

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« Reply #20 on: <07-20-15/1204:04> »
What do you mean by "both bonuses when you take aim"?
SR5 p. 166 Take Aim
...Each Take Aim action applies a +1 dice pool modifier or +1 Accuracy increase to the Attack Test...

SR5 p. 178 Wireless Smartgun
...When aiming (using the Take Aim action) with a smartgun system the shooter gets both bonuses with each action of aiming.


...connecting a smartgun to your datajack would allow you to eject a clip and change firing mode with free action, you have a dni link to the weapon.
Eject clip and change firing mode as free actions are explicitly mentioned to be wireless bonuses.

SR5 p. 424 Firearms
Wireless bonus: ...If you have a DNI, you get two additional benefits. First, ejecting a clip (for weapons that have them) is a Free Action rather than a Simple Action. Second, changing fire modes (on models that have more than one) is a Free Action rather than a Simple Action.

SR5 p. 433 Smartgun System
The smartgun features are accessed either by universal access port cable to an imaging device (like glasses, goggles, or a datajack for someone with cybereyes) or by a wireless connection working in concert with direct neural interface.
Wireless bonus: ...Ejecting a clip and changing fire modes are Free Actions.
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« Reply #21 on: <07-20-15/1527:04> »
How do you run both wrapper and agent on a commlink...?

(also, both your and your agent would get a negative dice pool modifier of 4 dice on matrix actions such as matrix perception, change icon, matrix search, edit file etc...)

The easiest way is a Program Module with Virtual Machine on it. You can also is put a Program Module with Wrapper on your main commlink & then slave a second commlink with a Program Module carrying an Agent Program. That way you can use Wrapper on your Agent as well as your gear & turn him into a cute little mouse on your shoulder. "Perceiver is specifically looking for it" gives a +3 bonus which offsets the -4 penalty nicely.

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« Reply #22 on: <07-20-15/1630:38> »
What do you mean by "both bonuses when you take aim"?
SR5 p. 166 Take Aim
...Each Take Aim action applies a +1 dice pool modifier or +1 Accuracy increase to the Attack Test...

SR5 p. 178 Wireless Smartgun
...When aiming (using the Take Aim action) with a smartgun system the shooter gets both bonuses with each action of aiming.


...connecting a smartgun to your datajack would allow you to eject a clip and change firing mode with free action, you have a dni link to the weapon.
Eject clip and change firing mode as free actions are explicitly mentioned to be wireless bonuses.

SR5 p. 424 Firearms
Wireless bonus: ...If you have a DNI, you get two additional benefits. First, ejecting a clip (for weapons that have them) is a Free Action rather than a Simple Action. Second, changing fire modes (on models that have more than one) is a Free Action rather than a Simple Action.

SR5 p. 433 Smartgun System
The smartgun features are accessed either by universal access port cable to an imaging device (like glasses, goggles, or a datajack for someone with cybereyes) or by a wireless connection working in concert with direct neural interface.
Wireless bonus: ...Ejecting a clip and changing fire modes are Free Actions.

If you are directly connected to your gun via a datacable plugged into it and your datajack and DNI.. I don't think it would be too game breaking to allow someone to eject the clip or change fire modes via mental command as a free action.

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« Reply #23 on: <07-20-15/1659:26> »
The easiest way is a ...
Fair enough


"Perceiver is specifically looking for it" gives a +3 bonus which offsets the -4 penalty nicely.
You are talking about a Physical Perception modifier which I am pretty sure doesn't apply to Matrix Perception.


If you are directly connected to your gun via a datacable plugged into it and your datajack and DNI.. I don't think it would be too game breaking to allow someone to eject the clip or change fire modes via mental command as a free action.
Agree - I would not argue against a house rule like that.

The authors could have made this into a basic feature of your smartgun system; kinda like the +2 accuracy or the ability to use the on board camera to shoot around corners.

But they did make it a wireless bonus - which in this case it means that you (by RAW) need to use a simple action if you connect with a wire and only get to use it as a free action if you connect to it wireless while working in concert with your DNI.

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« Reply #24 on: <07-20-15/2334:16> »
If the non-cyber gear is connected to the Data Jack via cable I'd rule they'd get the Wireless bonus without being wireless.  I gotta think that would be mostly sensors, but YMMV. 

Smartguns need to draw data from the outside world sensors, windspeed, is it raining, and what not in order to work.  Smartgun links are chatty little things from my reading, if they're not wireless ON, no wireless bonus dice.  All IMO.

So, to Darzil's point, lotta GM calls.   

The more I think about it, the more I want to call bulldrek on the smartgun thing.  If they relied on drawing data from the matrix on environmental conditions, then smartlinks would be useless indoors, since the temperature, humidity, air pressure, and directional air flow are totally different from local weather data.  There is literally nothing the internet can tell my gun to help me shoot someone in the chest from 12 feet away in the hallways of a burned out building in the barrens.

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« Reply #25 on: <07-21-15/0206:14> »
except making it vulnerable to being hacked by deckers  ;D

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« Reply #26 on: <07-21-15/0220:23> »
If the non-cyber gear is connected to the Data Jack via cable I'd rule they'd get the Wireless bonus without being wireless.  I gotta think that would be mostly sensors, but YMMV. 

Smartguns need to draw data from the outside world sensors, windspeed, is it raining, and what not in order to work.  Smartgun links are chatty little things from my reading, if they're not wireless ON, no wireless bonus dice.  All IMO.

So, to Darzil's point, lotta GM calls.   

The more I think about it, the more I want to call bulldrek on the smartgun thing.  If they relied on drawing data from the matrix on environmental conditions, then smartlinks would be useless indoors, since the temperature, humidity, air pressure, and directional air flow are totally different from local weather data.  There is literally nothing the internet can tell my gun to help me shoot someone in the chest from 12 feet away in the hallways of a burned out building in the barrens.
It is one of those things where you do just have to suspend a point or two of disbelief to keep it playable.  Otherwise you will be bogged down trying to decide, would this area provide a bonus or not?

Likewise, wouldn't you think the corps would somehow lock down any devices providing this sort of data within their own territory, or at least encode it so YOUR smartgun couldn't easily access it while THEIR smartguns could? 

Again you would fall into the pit of arguing code cracking and such, although if you play with this idea then a decker in the group actually could be a necessity since he could be cracking these enemy data streams to feed the party's battlenet and provide said bonuses.

But that is for more advance style play and again can get bogged down at times.


Do you believe in a greater WIRELESS, an Invisible(WiFi) All Seeing(detecting those connected- at least if within 100'), All Knowing(all online data) Presence that we can draw upon for Wisdom(downloads & updates), Strength (wifi boni) and Comfort (porn) or do you turn your back on it  (Go Offline)?

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« Reply #27 on: <07-21-15/0236:15> »
If the non-cyber gear is connected to the Data Jack via cable I'd rule they'd get the Wireless bonus without being wireless.  I gotta think that would be mostly sensors, but YMMV. 

Smartguns need to draw data from the outside world sensors, windspeed, is it raining, and what not in order to work.  Smartgun links are chatty little things from my reading, if they're not wireless ON, no wireless bonus dice.  All IMO.

So, to Darzil's point, lotta GM calls.   

Well, they had wanted Matrix to be a threat, and a reason why you'd want a good decker/Technomancer in the party, running matrix interference so you could have bonuses, while the enemy lacks them. Sadly, they forgot that in 5e, Meat and Magic can easily get about the same number of IPs if not more than that of Matrix. While Matrix actions take a full IP to do, and Meat and Magic often take less.

The more I think about it, the more I want to call bulldrek on the smartgun thing.  If they relied on drawing data from the matrix on environmental conditions, then smartlinks would be useless indoors, since the temperature, humidity, air pressure, and directional air flow are totally different from local weather data.  There is literally nothing the internet can tell my gun to help me shoot someone in the chest from 12 feet away in the hallways of a burned out building in the barrens.
Concepts are great, but implementation sucks. Why not improve it?

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« Reply #28 on: <07-21-15/0314:56> »
The more I think about it, the more I want to call bulldrek on the smartgun thing...
Your smartgun need a wireless connection to your smartlink while working in concert with your DNI so that you can react fast enough to the information the smartgun system is feeding directly into your brain. This is why you get a positive dice pool modifier if your smartgun system is wireless connected (and why you don't get a positive dice pool modifier if you use a wire from your gun to your goggles).


If they relied on drawing data from the matrix on environmental conditions, then smartlinks would be useless indoors...

SR5 p. 174-175 Wind
A light breeze might not throw off a shot, but the stronger the wind the more a shooter is going to have to compensate. Compensating for wind is tough because you can’t see it without some kind of indicator, such as blowing leaves, a flag flapping in the wind, or a coat pressed hard against the target. Wind categories are generalized and left up to the gamemaster’s discretion instead of giving hard numbers for wind speed. Wind speed can be a factor at the shooter’s position, the target’s position, and any position in between. Wind modifiers are mitigated by smartlink accessories that calculate adjustments before the shot and alleviated by tracer rounds that let the shooter see how to adjust her aim for the next shot.

You are right about one thing though;
This bonus is mostly useless indoors where there are no wind to compensate for ;)

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« Reply #29 on: <07-21-15/0319:39> »
This bonus is mostly useless indoors where there are no wind to compensate for ;)

only if the GM has a failure of imagination.  ;)
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