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« Reply #105 on: <04-13-13/1430:13> »
@Ghoulfodder: It's already been stated by another, but here you go. The moment he took over as GM, he should have done a character audit and denied any character that wasn't acceptable. Since he didn't take that opportunity, he has no right to gripe. Period.

He's not griping, he's asking for advice. Which is why we are here, and thankfully other people have provided some.

Just saying "You screwed up, deal with it" is not productive. A good GM learns from their mistakes, and there are always ways to fix it. The player wanted to play a tank, the GM learned how to cope with said tank, everybody wins.

You stated your opinion that he should have disallowed the character on page 1, which is fairly unhelpful seeing he already allowed it, and you're still harping on the guy on the same point on page 7. How's does that help?


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It's also fairly unhelpful to dig an old argument up after this long.  No point reviving the thread if that's all you're gonna do, right?
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« Reply #106 on: <04-13-13/1532:06> »
^Just going to say not everyone has the time to be on all day or check all the topics.
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« Reply #107 on: <04-13-13/1603:50> »
^Just going to say not everyone has the time to be on all day or check all the topics.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that after a certain amount of time there's no point to bring a thread back up without new, constructive points to add.
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« Reply #108 on: <04-13-13/1738:30> »
Zilfer is correct - was getting caught back up, and didn't look at the date.

You realize that your post is criticizing my post, about someone not being constructive, for not being constructive, right? Do you fail to see the irony?

I'll try to be more constructive in the future, like pointing out arbitrary statues of limitation that I just made up.

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« Reply #109 on: <04-13-13/1747:03> »
I see the irony, yes.  My only defense is timeliness - and a desire to nip a potentially inflammatory discussion in the bud.  :P
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« Reply #110 on: <04-13-13/2028:09> »
Come on give him a break it wasn't even 3 topics down yet last I saw.
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« Reply #111 on: <04-13-13/2107:49> »
I think it was the fact that the thing he was complaining about was something that happened three weeks ago, and that the thread had moved on long, long ago.
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« Reply #112 on: <04-14-13/0144:24> »
Since somebody bumped this, I just wanted to say I'm glad this had a happy ending! Glad we could be of service, OP, and glad you found ways to challenge your player. Just to recap, I think our basic suggestions were:

- Magic
- Hacking and Matrix attacks (being able to bench-press a truck doesn't help much when a technomancer is fiddling with your commlink, does it?)
- Drugs, gases and toxins
- Legal ramifications
- "Distinctive style" and the general lack of stealth that comes from being an obviously 'wared-up monster.
- Plain old superior firepower (full bursts from automatic weapons, distant snipers, superior numbers, etc.)

Let us know if any of these is particularly effective. I'd personally be interested in hearing more anecdotes. How exactly did the boat-dropping happen, for instance, and what was the outcome?
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« Reply #113 on: <04-14-13/2052:31> »
Since somebody bumped this, I just wanted to say I'm glad this had a happy ending! Glad we could be of service, OP, and glad you found ways to challenge your player. Just to recap, I think our basic suggestions were:

- Magic
- Hacking and Matrix attacks (being able to bench-press a truck doesn't help much when a technomancer is fiddling with your commlink, does it?)
- Drugs, gases and toxins
- Legal ramifications
- "Distinctive style" and the general lack of stealth that comes from being an obviously 'wared-up monster.
- Plain old superior firepower (full bursts from automatic weapons, distant snipers, superior numbers, etc.)

Let us know if any of these is particularly effective. I'd personally be interested in hearing more anecdotes. How exactly did the boat-dropping happen, for instance, and what was the outcome?

Did anyone pay attention to the whole Paracritters suggestion, or am I barking at a wall?

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« Reply #114 on: <04-15-13/1408:41> »
You forgot to add Fus Ro Da to your shouting, that's why the wall didn't hear. xD
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« Reply #115 on: <04-15-13/2052:21> »
Since somebody bumped this, I just wanted to say I'm glad this had a happy ending! Glad we could be of service, OP, and glad you found ways to challenge your player. Just to recap, I think our basic suggestions were:

- Magic
- Hacking and Matrix attacks (being able to bench-press a truck doesn't help much when a technomancer is fiddling with your commlink, does it?)
- Drugs, gases and toxins
- Legal ramifications
- "Distinctive style" and the general lack of stealth that comes from being an obviously 'wared-up monster.
- Plain old superior firepower (full bursts from automatic weapons, distant snipers, superior numbers, etc.)

Let us know if any of these is particularly effective. I'd personally be interested in hearing more anecdotes. How exactly did the boat-dropping happen, for instance, and what was the outcome?

-Magic: Helped, but the groups mage kept counterspelling like a sonnoffa bitch
-Hacking: Not had a chance yet
-drugs, gases, and toxins: Tear gas to be cute (forced him to flee a room), tranq patches from a martial artist gave him some stun, no toxins yet.
-Legal ramifications: Not so much yet, but the group recently drew the attention of the Coast Guard, so plot hook for later
-Distinctive style: Not yet
I_V_Saur: I did notice the paracritters, and they are going to play a big part in the next campaign

Anecdote: Allow me to recant the end of the last session we had. I'm rather fond and proud of it.

The PC's were chasing after a schizo drug lord who thought he was Long John Silver (from Treasure Island, though not from the Muppet Version). After the PC's invaded his ship (stolen cruise ship) and tore apart the aforementioned problems above, Silver escaped off the ship while initiating the self destruct on the ship. The troll got in the speed boat and chased after him while the group mage got above deck and tried to fling him off the boat with a spell. Meanwhile the group decker got to the cabins cabin and worked to disarm the self destruct while the captains security program attacked him.

After the mage couldn't get enough hits to counter Silver's strength and body, he got creative and scored enough to levitate the captains escape boat from the water. With vision magnification and an assault rifle, Silver shot at the mage and dropped him in two turns. By this point the troll was within 200 meters and closing, so Silver saw him coming and opened fire, this time going full auto and getting a few good hits a couple of times. What was particularly satisfying was that because the troll took the "low pain tolerance" trait since he's so tanky, he was falling apart pretty bad even though he only lost 2/3 physical a turn (and this was resisting 19 damage at a time). When he was closing in but still to far to return fire (his primary weapon is a taser) he hit the deck after he moved the boat to avoid getting hit. This was a mistake as the boat has far less armor then he does and almost sank after one turn of full auto.

 Thankfully by this point the group hacker disabled the self destruct, hacked Silvers weapon and forced it to eject the ammo clip. The troll limped the boat to Silver, shot him with two taser darts, and rendered the infamous drug lord unconscious. The PC who was the troll openly said he wasn't sure if he was going to make it, and admitted that once I put some distance between him and his opponent he wasn't so confident in his build. He know is aware that I've wised up as a new GM to Shadowrun, and he, like everyone else at the table, should keep a back up character ready just in case.

And it's thanks to all of you guys that it happened. I don't approve of the flame war, but hey, it did get my thread to be a hot topic.
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« Reply #116 on: <04-16-13/0313:14> »
Awesome, sounds like a lot of fun!

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« Reply #117 on: <04-16-13/0649:55> »
And it's a good thing the drug lord didn't turn off his wireless. Nice move as to not piss the player off while still sending a message.
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« Reply #118 on: <04-16-13/0957:35> »
That was a good way to handle it. You brought the PC's weaknesses (short range and Low Pain Tolerance) into play without ass-pulling nonsense, and you still let him have his strengths (since anyone else would have gotten hurt way worse by the shooting).

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« Reply #119 on: <04-16-13/1208:45> »
Just wanted to make sure you know the counterspelling for your friends doesn't get the whole dice pool to their defence only the Skill + Defender's Attribute.

So if I'm playing my Character Bulletstopper and gets a stunbolt cast at him F12, and My other character Scythe who’s dice pool says ‘Counterspelling + magic = 11’ is actually only 4 because that’s Scythe’s counterspelling skill.

So Bulletstopper’s defense pool would be Scythe’s Counterspelling 4 + Bulletstopper's Willpower 3 = 7 dice….

Pretty weak defense pool compared to his usual 8 or so reaction, 22 or so armor and 12 body on top of that. <.< Yeah I’d rather get shot with bullets. I'd only give the Body part of the soak roll as well.

« Last Edit: <04-16-13/1240:00> by Zilfer »
Having access to Ares Technology isn't so bad, being in a room that's connected to the 'trix with holographic display throughout the whole room isn't bad either. Food, drinks whenever you want it. Over all not bad, but being unable to leave and with a Female Dragon? No Thanks! ~The Captive Man