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Title: Wish List.
Post by: Adrick on <09-06-10/1034:46>
So we have the main "core" gear and rules expansion books out. 
What do we want to see next for 4th edtion.

Future past
For myself i would like to see  source book(s) for the earlier time frames. w decker rules and so forth to do legacy campaigns. Maybe an appendix with npcs from old adventures converted to 4th.  Either as its own thing or tacked on to the pdf's of the old material now available on drivethru.


future present
More books like Seattle 2072.  for hong kong, tokyo, berlin, etc.
Periodic tech and timeline advancement books. These should be rare but i like the evolving history of the world.

future future.
source book for a big jump ahead in the timeline. when the moon, mars and so forth has enough population to support runs.
along the lines of Armitage, total recall, red faction and so on.


sure not all of these can or even necessarily should be made but i can wish whatever i want :)


What do other people want to see?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: MJBurrage on <09-06-10/1242:20>
Shadows of Space, a book detailing all of off-world colonies and projects.  Orbital habitats, the Beanstalk, LaGrange points, Moon, Mars, etc.  Also current space tech, such as ships and weapons.  Then a chapter on high level runs in space and related low or mid level runs on Earth.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-06-10/1319:27>
Updates on some of the southern hemisphere. Australia, south-South America, Antarctica.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Grinder on <09-06-10/1341:59>
Yeah, Southern Madness would be cool!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-06-10/1806:12>
Heh Rigger 4 (oh wait everytime an actuall book called rigger is made the game line implodes)

More adventures would be nice.

More Magic (adept powers, mentors, spells, yada yada).

More tech (love the gene and nano ideas)

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Kid Chameleon on <09-06-10/2314:38>
Shadows of Space, a book detailing all of off-world colonies and projects.  Orbital habitats, the Beanstalk, LaGrange points, Moon, Mars, etc.  Also current space tech, such as ships and weapons.  Then a chapter on high level runs in space and related low or mid level runs on Earth.

Very cool sounding idea, I just wonder if it would be of little real use to most folks.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-07-10/0258:26>
Shadows of Space, a book detailing all of off-world colonies and projects.  Orbital habitats, the Beanstalk, LaGrange points, Moon, Mars, etc.  Also current space tech, such as ships and weapons.  Then a chapter on high level runs in space and related low or mid level runs on Earth.

Very cool sounding idea, I just wonder if it would be of little real use to most folks.

I second this, there's a lot of alluding to space and references in the new material i've read, however there aren't any specific rules for space or space travel, the affects (or lack there of) of magic and so on. I've been talking to a friend of mine that swears that space was very, very bad (due to runs he made in an old group in the 3rd or 2nd ed. eras) and now it seems more plausible and easier to travel up there so i'd like to see more about it. (I really wanna send my group into a station during some point during our game)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/0608:22>
Space.....the final frontier.......Oh crap thats something else I collect!! :P

Space in Shadowrun has one main issues to Magic types it's IF i remember right a Negitive 10 mana void.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-07-10/0628:24>
I think it's a 10 mana void because they don't make an 11+ rating.

Space is pretty hostile.  I'm wondering how the Horrors overcame that in Equinox.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/0630:44>
that could be.

As for how to overcome it populate space with alot of people mana is in theory given off from living things.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-07-10/0633:29>
I don't think it is given off as much as stabilized by living beings.  Spirits don't do it, they are much more vulnerable to mana eddies and flows than meat bodies are.  As are corrupted meat bodies:  they can't handle the changes in mana because their form depends on it now.

Would they have to restrain themselves and find a bunch of non-corrupted beings?  Hmmm...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-07-10/0700:50>
There are habitats that they've filled with plants in order to get enough background magic to cast.  At least, that's the story^^
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-07-10/0832:10>
So we have the main "core" gear and rules expansion books out. 
What do we want to see next for 4th edtion.

*snip*

What do other people want to see?

A sourcebook which kills all Immortal Elves and the associated magical threat plots on its last page, so we can drop this stuff for good and focus on what made Shadowrun a great setting...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-07-10/0905:52>
focus on what made Shadowrun a great setting...

The blend of high technology and magic?  :p  Not that I really want to get into an argument, but magic is simply too entwined in the setting to remove it without making it a completely different game.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-07-10/0913:52>
<snip> making it a completely different game.
... called Cyberpunk.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-07-10/0919:00>
focus on what made Shadowrun a great setting...

The blend of high technology and magic?  :p  Not that I really want to get into an argument, but magic is simply too entwined in the setting to remove it without making it a completely different game.

You misunderstand me. I do not want to take magic out of the game. I only want Immortal Elves and their "OMG the Horrors are going to get through the barrier and kill everyone and everything!!!" plots gone. Big difference :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-07-10/0936:54>
focus on what made Shadowrun a great setting...

The blend of high technology and magic?  :p  Not that I really want to get into an argument, but magic is simply too entwined in the setting to remove it without making it a completely different game.

You misunderstand me. I do not want to take magic out of the game. I only want Immortal Elves and their "OMG the Horrors are going to get through the barrier and kill everyone and everything!!!" plots gone. Big difference :)
Well, the Immortals aren't quite in the public view as they have been. And the outcome of the Dragonheart saga pretty much secures that the Horrors won't be seen for a while*.


*Unless some fool magicians think it's a path to greater power to bring them over earlier. But that's what runners are for, omae...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-07-10/0938:24>
Darke thought that way, and he got his reward (a nasty curb-stomping).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-07-10/0944:07>
*Unless some fool magicians think it's a path to greater power to bring them over earlier. But that's what runners are for, omae...

Read: the Azzies.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-07-10/0946:31>
Yeah, I would be surprised if the Horrors were brought back any time soon.  Personally, I like the IEs, I think they make a nice counterpoint to the Great Dragons.  Not that I want them showing up all over the place, but it's a nice bit of background to have.  If the only real threat to the world was corporate greed, it would feel a bit shallow to me.

But, that's just my take on it.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-07-10/0949:27>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-07-10/0950:21>
I'm with Moon on this. Add in the AI's and we now have a nice balance between four superpowers (Dragons, Elves, AI's, Corps) that don't know exactly how to deal with each other.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-07-10/0951:46>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.
Here's hoping they release the original in PDF soon... But an update is definitely needed to see how the Data Haven's working with Ghostwalker.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-07-10/0952:10>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.

I love Denver to play in; the main group that I run operates their main base there.  Even though GW has changed it a ton, it's still such a hotbed of intrigue that it's hard to walk away from =)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-07-10/0955:38>
A few of the Horrors managed to sneak past the sentries on at least three occasions.  Once durng the Great Ghost Dances (each one could be considered separate, but the big one was with the volcanoes), once when Aina nuked Ysrthgrathe (and he thanked her for it, the bastich), and once when Darke formed his bridge to their Netherworld.  I don't think any came out when Ghostwalker returned (it's hard to call him that, to me he will always be Icewing) cause I'm pretty sure the dragon would have obliterated or evaded them before coming through.

That leaves it open for a number of minor Horrors to spread out, at the least.  Wraiths showing up is a sign of their (eventual) return, but I believe that most of the doorways to their realm have been sealed by Billy and Lethe.  Still, a few stories with the Enemy may creep in once in a while.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-07-10/0956:38>
I'm with Moon on this. Add in the AI's and we now have a nice balance between four superpowers (Dragons, Elves, AI's, Corps) that don't know exactly how to deal with each other.

And thats just way to many supers for my taste. Dragons were great, they were the exotic(tm) factor and everything else was normal people bashing their head in with sticks, rocketlaunchers or dozends of their corporate minions. Oh well...

I'd like a new "Germany in the shadows" and "Shadows over Europe". I like running on my homeground, and while the german sourcebook for Munich was great I really miss having detailed information about the big european picture :(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-07-10/1030:11>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.

I love Denver to play in; the main group that I run operates their main base there.  Even though GW has changed it a ton, it's still such a hotbed of intrigue that it's hard to walk away from =)

It really is great- a divided metroplex constantly full of shadowy goings-on, like a Sixth World version of Cold War-era Berlin.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JM_Hardy on <09-07-10/1211:22>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.

I love Denver to play in; the main group that I run operates their main base there.  Even though GW has changed it a ton, it's still such a hotbed of intrigue that it's hard to walk away from =)

It really is great- a divided metroplex constantly full of shadowy goings-on, like a Sixth World version of Cold War-era Berlin.

That does sound awesome! Perhaps I should write up a proposal to management for a Denver-based, espionage themed sourcebook that would update what's happening in Denver while also providing spy gear and other fun stuff!

Or perhaps I did that yesterday!

Jason H.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-07-10/1215:14>
Tease.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-07-10/1235:56>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.

I love Denver to play in; the main group that I run operates their main base there.  Even though GW has changed it a ton, it's still such a hotbed of intrigue that it's hard to walk away from =)

It really is great- a divided metroplex constantly full of shadowy goings-on, like a Sixth World version of Cold War-era Berlin.

That does sound awesome! Perhaps I should write up a proposal to management for a Denver-based, espionage themed sourcebook that would update what's happening in Denver while also providing spy gear and other fun stuff!

Or perhaps I did that yesterday!

Jason H.

I'm not sure what the Catalyst Game Labs rules are. Can I hug my boss without getting in trouble? Because suddenly I think I owe him that much.  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-07-10/1341:47>
It really is great- a divided metroplex constantly full of shadowy goings-on, like a Sixth World version of Cold War-era Berlin.

The prophecy says, you should brush up on your german. There is a sourcebook being released in October called Berlin 2072. Berlin is basically back to that split status. Half is Megacon controlled territory, the other half is gang turf. Fences, walls, paranoia, LOTS of job opportunities... I don't think it's gonna be released in english though.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-07-10/1352:41>
Unfortunate that it's only in German, then- sounds like a good read, but my mastery of English is somewhat lacking, let alone any other language.  :-[
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1649:47>
focus on what made Shadowrun a great setting...

The blend of high technology and magic?  :p  Not that I really want to get into an argument, but magic is simply too entwined in the setting to remove it without making it a completely different game.

He's not saying remove all magic.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1650:41>
<snip> making it a completely different game.
... called Cyberpunk.

Yes it is an it was an ok game to me but yeah I like Shadowrun for the simple idea of the added magic.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1653:14>
focus on what made Shadowrun a great setting...

The blend of high technology and magic?  :p  Not that I really want to get into an argument, but magic is simply too entwined in the setting to remove it without making it a completely different game.

You misunderstand me. I do not want to take magic out of the game. I only want Immortal Elves and their "OMG the Horrors are going to get through the barrier and kill everyone and everything!!!" plots gone. Big difference :)

Problem is removeing the horrors completely means to remove them from history an that would screw Earthdawn up massively so we need the horrors to be there just as a threat not actually comeing through ...at least not yet anyway give Shadowrun say 2000 more years lol.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1655:33>
*Unless some fool magicians think it's a path to greater power to bring them over earlier. But that's what runners are for, omae...

Read: the Azzies.

The azzies are treading on so much weak ground right now they do anything that gets out and Shadowrunners won't be the ones dealing with them the corporate court will by saying it's open season on them to the other corps.

What happens next aztec go boom ! ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1656:56>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.
Here's hoping they release the original in PDF soon... But an update is definitely needed to see how the Data Haven's working with Ghostwalker.

I think the last crash kill the denver data haven didn't it??
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1659:48>
My sole wish would be for an updated re-release of Denver: City of Shadows.

...then again, I'm biased since I grew up there.

I love Denver to play in; the main group that I run operates their main base there.  Even though GW has changed it a ton, it's still such a hotbed of intrigue that it's hard to walk away from =)

It really is great- a divided metroplex constantly full of shadowy goings-on, like a Sixth World version of Cold War-era Berlin.

That does sound awesome! Perhaps I should write up a proposal to management for a Denver-based, espionage themed sourcebook that would update what's happening in Denver while also providing spy gear and other fun stuff!

Or perhaps I did that yesterday!

Jason H.

Prasies to the man who out thinks us!!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1702:53>
It really is great- a divided metroplex constantly full of shadowy goings-on, like a Sixth World version of Cold War-era Berlin.

The prophecy says, you should brush up on your german. There is a sourcebook being released in October called Berlin 2072. Berlin is basically back to that split status. Half is Megacon controlled territory, the other half is gang turf. Fences, walls, paranoia, LOTS of job opportunities... I don't think it's gonna be released in english though.

An this is one thing I REALLY REALLY wish they would do they make books in english all the time and they get converted to German or French or (insert language here) but they write a book in one of those languages and its eh guess your screwed for knowing what is in it unless you can read that language. :'(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-07-10/1732:05>
haha i'm lucky i can speak german...or at least most of it...think i'll be able to get that sourcebook pretty easily? or am i going to have to do some diving on german sites to get it?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/1738:50>
haha i'm lucky i can speak german...or at least most of it...think i'll be able to get that sourcebook pretty easily? or am i going to have to do some diving on german sites to get it?

GREAT!! translate lol
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-07-10/2204:18>
Haha trying to translate that much text would probably make my head explode, not to mention it would take me fooooreverrrrr to do, i'd like it for reference and for nostalgic purposes. The majority of my fam either is from or lives in the around frankfurt and you better believe i'm going to be making my runner's hop into that territory.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/2322:51>
Now see you have family there so draft them into helping translate  :P less head explodeyness
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-07-10/2324:56>
hm...you do make an interesting point...i do have a lot of cousins...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/2325:58>
and it's germany bribe them with beer (after the work is done ;D)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-07-10/2341:47>
hahaha "hey cousins, i'll buy you beer!...you just have to come to the middle of oklahoma to get it!"...it could work...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/2351:18>
Hey it comes with a travel program (not all expenses covered)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-07-10/2353:56>
hahaha i'll see what i can do, and when it doesn't work, i'll blame you...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-08-10/0031:31>
D'OH!!! :o
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-08-10/0037:48>
haha i'm lucky i can speak german...or at least most of it...think i'll be able to get that sourcebook pretty easily? or am i going to have to do some diving on german sites to get it?

It's going to be released this October, so I guess it won't be difficult to order it. Delivery might be a little pricey, but otherwise should be fine.

and it's germany bribe them with beer (after the work is done ;D)

Actually, we prefer to be bribed in cash. No offense, but you state-side people don't know drek about beer ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-08-10/0040:33>
us people who have fam over there do!  ;D specially since i get to visit often
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-08-10/0041:06>
haha i'm lucky i can speak german...or at least most of it...think i'll be able to get that sourcebook pretty easily? or am i going to have to do some diving on german sites to get it?

It's going to be released this October, so I guess it won't be difficult to order it. Delivery might be a little pricey, but otherwise should be fine.

and it's germany bribe them with beer (after the work is done ;D)

Actually, we prefer to be bribed in cash. No offense, but you state-side people don't know drek about beer ;D


Ok so you translate I'll send ya the cash for a beer :P
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-08-10/0105:19>
haha i'm lucky i can speak german...or at least most of it...think i'll be able to get that sourcebook pretty easily? or am i going to have to do some diving on german sites to get it?

It's going to be released this October, so I guess it won't be difficult to order it. Delivery might be a little pricey, but otherwise should be fine.

and it's germany bribe them with beer (after the work is done ;D)

Actually, we prefer to be bribed in cash. No offense, but you state-side people don't know drek about beer ;D
Don't judge us on the yellow water that passes for beer in most of the bars. Some of us know what good beer is and support the smaller companies making it (like Yuengling!!).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jonny Reload on <09-08-10/0605:28>
I really would want a Space Book as well.... But also, an Underwater Colonies book would be pretty nice as well (If Megacorps are building outward towards space, they gotta be doing the same below as well!)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-08-10/0622:06>
Don't judge us on the yellow water that passes for beer in most of the bars. Some of us know what good beer is and support the smaller companies making it (like Yuengling!!).

I'll try to keep that in mind :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-08-10/0637:17>
I have to agree, most American beers are the love-in-a-canoe kind.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-08-10/0650:07>
Good thing we export, then ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: John Schmidt on <09-08-10/0650:29>
We are seeing microbreweries pop up all over the US, funny how it took 60 years to turn back the clock from WW2. I had some great beer while I was in England...so much in fact that the time there is a little blurry.  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-08-10/0654:40>
We are seeing microbreweries pop up all over the US, funny how it took 60 years to turn back the clock from WW2.

Well you couldn't taint your lands with "Nazi brew"(tm)  ;D But now that enough grass has grown over it... let the brewing commence! Weissbier is ok, I prefer Helles.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Adrick on <09-08-10/0902:54>
I really would want a Space Book as well.... But also, an Underwater Colonies book would be pretty nice as well (If Megacorps are building outward towards space, they gotta be doing the same below as well!)

True, gold mine of ideas there.  Secure research labs, testing grounds for space colonies, farms, isolationist societies.  I would say thats current to the setting time line so far as well so would immediately usable.
Don't think anyone would blink at x corp already has or is building an undersea archology at this point. 

Resorts in Hawaii, i would be surprised if japan didn't already have something like this in the works in real life.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-08-10/0904:57>
Or on the northern shore of the Allied German States. You know, like that thing Proteus built ther... waitaminute...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Adrick on <09-08-10/0910:53>
I may have missed them but i would like to see more buy the book get the pdf free or cheap bundles, as a rule rather than occasionally.

Would also like to see some bundle discounts on old shadowrun pdf's.
Like complete 3rd edition bundle or some such when the all the old books are available in pdf format.

similar to the sourcebook pdf bundle for SR4 on drivethru.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-08-10/1024:51>
Ironically, my favorite bear, Yuengling, is the oldest brewery in America. They produce a dark porter, and even bottle a black & tan of their porter and premium beer. Their lager is their lightest (and most popular) beer and it's still a good ten shades darker tan Miller/Bud swill.

The old joke is that when you visited the Yuengling bottling plant, they had grated walkways everywhere. One of the visitors noticed this and asked why. The response is "Because they bottle Miller downstairs." ;D


Hmm... Seemed to have gone off track. Might have something to do with not being able to GET Yuengling out here in MN.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-08-10/1707:24>
The problem is Space is easy Underwater has Pressure to deal with so I think thats the big reason we as a race are mostly looking up vs. down.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Kid Chameleon on <09-08-10/2257:26>
And Water Elementals are just so brutal down there.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-08-10/2307:04>
haha basic human laziness for you, k...so i can't breathe down there, and it does funny things to my ears when i go deeper, plus there are biiiig lurking things down there...i wonder whats up there instead...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-09-10/0006:30>
Just no magic, cosmic death rays, meteor showers and you can't pull over/dive up if something goes horribly wrong :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-09-10/0010:11>
And if you lose your grip outside, you're pretty much the newest satellite.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-09-10/0017:59>
lol i just had a vision through my head "wow was that a shooting star?!?...no that was just bob...he passes through that path around the same time every night"
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-09-10/0046:56>
lol i just had a vision through my head "wow was that a shooting star?!?...no that was just bob...he passes through that path around the same time every night"

 ;D ;D ;D

1 applaud for you
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-09-10/0125:04>
lol i just had a vision through my head "wow was that a shooting star?!?...no that was just bob...he passes through that path around the same time every night"

 ;D ;D ;D

1 applaud for you

haha yaaaay! now i gotta make that happen in game...i bet that'll be a pretty memorable scene and i'll keep bringing it up to the player i whacked...ah i'm so evil...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-09-10/0135:13>
Ok must not play in kinderkrieg's game  :P
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kinderkrieg on <09-09-10/0136:20>
bwah ah ahhhhhhh
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-09-10/0233:56>
kinderkrieg VS Dead Monky... now THAT would be something...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-09-10/0544:21>
It's be fun to watch but kinda scary  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-09-10/0644:02>
It's be fun to watch but kinda scary  ;D

Sort of like watching pet gerbils fight- amusing, but harmless.  :D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-09-10/0716:57>
Gerbils that know how to work firearms and explosives...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Lansdren on <09-09-10/0854:35>
My requests would be


More vehicles (I wont ask for a R4 book as it might kill the game again)
London / UK sourcebook (hey I'm from london and would love to do a run here)
Space / Deep water (could be done together as 'Shadows of the Depths')
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-09-10/0945:58>
My requests would be


More vehicles (I wont ask for a R4 book as it might kill the game again)
London / UK sourcebook (hey I'm from london and would love to do a run here)
Space / Deep water (could be done together as 'Shadows of the Depths')
See, now I think Arsenal is the R4 book, it's got all the extra vehicles, rules for modding them and plenty of drones. And, they made sure it wouldn't kill the game by not calling it Rigger 4! ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-09-10/1015:06>
More vehicles (I wont ask for a R4 book as it might kill the game again)

As the old man has already pointed out, Arsenal might be just the book for you on this.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-09-10/1031:59>
More vehicles (I wont ask for a R4 book as it might kill the game again)

As the old man has already pointed out, Arsenal might be just the book for you on this.

Well, not totally. I never did find rules for creating a guided missile cruiser in there... and my runners really could use AEGIS combat capability.  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-09-10/1045:56>
Yes there are. There is a big ship in the book, you can mod that ship with lots of drone racks and use those to launch rigged drones filled with explosives! Et voila, Guided Missile Cruiser.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-09-10/1109:30>
Yes there are. There is a big ship in the book, you can mod that ship with lots of drone racks and use those to launch rigged drones filled with explosives! Et voila, Guided Missile Cruiser.
You know you're just encouraging him, don't you? ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-09-10/1114:30>
Well I can't fieldtest that concept all on my own, I need other opinions as well  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Casazil on <09-09-10/1658:20>
Ya know i was reading I'd have to say I'd like more locations books sure updated london germany england all work

but come on new spots Italy russia japan china australia gives us some in depth locations books

I love Rifts for all the info they give that gives the ability to runs games all over the earth
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Lansdren on <09-10-10/0405:37>
More vehicles (I wont ask for a R4 book as it might kill the game again)

As the old man has already pointed out, Arsenal might be just the book for you on this.


Have it,  Use it,  Want more.

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: raben-aas on <09-10-10/0601:19>
Speaking as a fan and GM, not a freelancer:
Actually, what I would like to see most are the following books:

MASTER OF SHADOWS – The Gamemaster Guide to SR
Maps, stats, goons, grunts, NPCs, how to run and all the other stuff in the GM section of the main rules expanded and explained in greater detail, stereotypical runs (and how to avoid them if one wants to), problem players, special rules ...

10 MATRICES – Virtual Places
A guide to 10 VR locations with visualisation, special rules (like: the ingame VR rules of that world, because you have to stay "virtually alive" to achieve whatever it is you are tasked to do there), adventure seeds etc. Think Second Life, WoW (or World Without Magic IV), Facebook VR and other sites transferred/elevated to a VR – and what dark stories there may be lurking. Should also contain a list of VR/AR services that are so important that they actually define Matrix culture (give us the facebooks, twitters and farmvilles of 2072+).

NEW SPRAWL SITES – if not included in GM book

and most of all:

DREKK – the Runner's Magazine
An ingame magazine (PDF?) like Street Samurai Catalogue or Rigger Black Book or the CP2020 Chromebooks and (most of all) Solo of Fortune: A magazine/blog/newsfeed that details a lot of topics that cater to runner's interests, features new equipment (with description and rumors and shadowtalk and ingame ads by the manufacturer) and lists of current music, sport events, a section on job offers ... new stuff can later appear in a new Arsenal, but reintroduce the story aspect of stuff, because STUFF IS COOL! Give us brands, give us some attitude, but not as a long rant of some shadowtalker or snippets of sociolist studies, but STRAIGHT IN THE FACE, as articles, posts, ads, spam ... a profile-generated magazine with content collected by an agent program of your everyday shadowrunner. With Shadowbabe (and Shadowhunk, if you must) of the month Smiley 
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Saint on <09-10-10/0602:13>
My Wishlist

Scales in the Shadows- a Sourcebook dealing with the Dragon and serpents of the Sixth World, with Profiles on the most well known, and hints at their motivations and what pies they have their talons in.

Smuggler's Haven - a book on Smugglers, Coyotes, and other transporters of illegal goods, people, and bodies. It would be a great chance to publish more vehicles and rigger gear without calling a book Rigger 4

The Shadow Isles- What is going on in the British Isles in 2072 and Beyond

Denver 2072 - Need I say more?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-10-10/0923:21>
@raben-aas

The Runner's Toolkit is supposed to include contacts, maps and a lot of GM stuff, so that might meet the need of your Master of Shadows/New Sprawl Sites

10 Matrices is an great idea. Along with 10 Dragons, 10 Mercs and 10 Johnsons

Attitude sound like it will be a lot like your DREKK request, in the spirit of Shadowbeat.

@Saint - 10 Dragons = Scales in the Shadows and +1 on your other items.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: raben-aas on <09-10-10/0933:01>
Attitude sound like it will be a lot like your DREKK request, in the spirit of Shadowbeat.

No, actually. Shadowbeat still had a very strong focus on lengthy articles explaining the 6th world to someone who obviously doesn't have a clue about what's going on (for obvious reasons). SOLO OF FORTUNE, on the other hand, was an ingame magazine for CP2020 Solos (what streetsams are in SR). In it, you had "normal" articles, like in a magazine, with a rather big share of pictures, some ads, and stats for new equipment given in boxes or at the bottom of the page/article/ad.

I always liked this "dropping the player right into the middle of stuff" approach, even in the red CP2020 book, where there was a rather big section of articles that were written and layoutet in magazine style.

SR and CP were very similar in that approach at first, i.e. the Street Samurai catalogue had that "softcover" feeling of being an actual ingame mail order catalogue. Sure: When compared to SR4 artwork and style the catalogue sucks bad, but just imagine an ingame SR magazine in the look and feel (not paperwise, contentwise) of a magazine from the future.

I think I could learn TONS of stuff more about the world of 2073+ by flipping through a 2073 Trideo or Lifestyle Magazine than by reading a lengthy "explanation book" with double the amount of pages and 10x the amount of words.

An ad for a tridshow named Wunderkrieg tells me more than a study on trideo evolution of the last 30 years. It's how I absord (and learn to care for) setting info.

It's basically all "show, don't tell". 
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-10-10/1008:01>
I can appreciate that. I remember loving all the full-color (mostly photo) ads for restaurants & such (the Universal Brotherhood one with the Street Sammie holding the baby still gets me) in the older books.

John Schmidt is looking to put together a SR Fansite (http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=234.0), and it was brought up to maybe make it magazine-like with articles & such.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Prime Mover on <09-10-10/1417:52>
Black Targets:  Some of those black projects that are always hinted at and the target of so many runs.
Man
Cutting edge gear and scientific discoveries.
Machine
Cutting edge implants and matrix tech.
Magic
Unique magic items,manatech, new spell formula etc...

Edit: Items that are one of a kind or unreleased to the general public.  They'd be great rewards for runners who have worked hard to get to the top of there game.

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Adrick on <09-10-10/1804:34>
DREKK – the Runner's Magazine
An ingame magazine (PDF?) like Street Samurai Catalogue or Rigger Black Book or the CP2020 Chromebooks and (most of all) Solo of Fortune: A magazine/blog/newsfeed that details a lot of topics that cater to runner's interests, features new equipment (with description and rumors and shadowtalk and ingame ads by the manufacturer) and lists of current music, sport events, a section on job offers ... new stuff can later appear in a new Arsenal, but reintroduce the story aspect of stuff, because STUFF IS COOL! Give us brands, give us some attitude, but not as a long rant of some shadowtalker or snippets of sociolist studies, but STRAIGHT IN THE FACE, as articles, posts, ads, spam ... a profile-generated magazine with content collected by an agent program of your everyday shadowrunner. With Shadowbabe (and Shadowhunk, if you must) of the month Smiley 

Something like that would be awesome, they really breath alot of life into the world.
A periodic magazine on the fansite as mentioned would be good and / or attached to Missions, sort of like this is the kind of stuff on the news or events happening around the time the mission is going on.
Fan submitted material could be worked in as guest writers in the magazine or something like that.
10 dragons and the like could be a semi regular article.  10X with a selection of 10 things of interest nightclubs, guns, dragons, etc.
Something like this would be a good way to showcase new items or versions and brands of items that are essentially the same game stat wise.




Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <09-12-10/1902:55>
An this is one thing I REALLY REALLY wish they would do they make books in english all the time and they get converted to German or French or (insert language here) but they write a book in one of those languages and its eh guess your screwed for knowing what is in it unless you can read that language. :'(
It's been my experience that, with most of the German-only material, you're not missing much (if anything) by it not being translated. Just my opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <09-12-10/1905:50>
I really would want a Space Book as well.... But also, an Underwater Colonies book would be pretty nice as well (If Megacorps are building outward towards space, they gotta be doing the same below as well!)
A space book would be mostly useless, IMO. Not enough utility for the game to make it worthwhile. Now, that undersea book you're talking about...that would be a lot easier to involve players in, I think, than a space book.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: fastdos on <09-14-10/0056:37>
Immortal Elves and their machinations are no worse than the handful of Dragons flying around and buying stuff up. The real difference is that the Elves appear to be more in your face about it. What I'm hankering for is some corporate big wig, preferably from one of the Japanese Corps, to get his gun up and start taking out the immortals. After all, the biggest threat to your 100 yr plan is the person who actually intends to be around to see it succeed or fail.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Jadehellbringer on <09-14-10/0654:35>
I really would want a Space Book as well.... But also, an Underwater Colonies book would be pretty nice as well (If Megacorps are building outward towards space, they gotta be doing the same below as well!)
A space book would be mostly useless, IMO. Not enough utility for the game to make it worthwhile. Now, that undersea book you're talking about...that would be a lot easier to involve players in, I think, than a space book.

Hate to say it, but I'd have to agree. I can't even come up with a good plotline that would involve sending my players into orbit- at least, not enough to warrant a whole book anyway. Perhaps as an add-on to another book, or as a small PDF-only thing, but even then, how useful is that really going to be?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-14-10/0913:48>
And how would it expand upon the knowledge of Target: Wastelands (besides rejiggering for Wireless and Rules changes)?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: street.mage on <09-17-10/1811:10>
Of everything I've seen here, Denver 2072 sounds the most appealing. 

But a general, more detailed approach to the various countries and such would be highly beneficial.  Feral Cities was cool, but it'd  be nice to have something like that for all the sprawls; updated, so we know or have guidelines to what they are up to.

The underwater stuff is a very promising concept.  It's a great way to introduce more diving/swimming/boating/using submarines, etc to a game.  IMHO I have always felt those skills are "second nature" to many of the other things, since most runs happen on land.  And I'm all about skill equality! 

I don't really know what I would think about a space book.  There's too much stuff here on Earth to look at without detailing the "final frontier." 

I'd really like a delve into the astral space a bit more; specifically the worlds of insect spirits.

I hope that the Toolkit will give enough sites and Johnsons to help us with more than a couple of runs.  But mostly, I wish the books in production would see print sooner than later. 

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-17-10/2342:29>
Just thought of this as I'm going through my books for some ... "research":

What about an updated Quick-start Rules for 4E?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: inca1980 on <09-23-10/0324:24>
Actually, we prefer to be bribed in cash. No offense, but you state-side people don't know drek about beer ;D

You've obviously never been to south-central Wisconsin then.  What you're saying used to be true 10-15 years ago, but now-a-days the micro-breweries are producing beer that I honestly have to say is just as good as the best german beers.....and most people refuse now to drink shitty beer in my region.  The one thing that is true though, is that the shittiest german beers are light-years better than the shittiest american ones.  I used to live in Freiburg Im Breisgau and the worst beer there was Ganter.....that was the cheap stuff...which would be a little bit tastier than a budweiser....but the cheap stuff here is natty lite, old milwaukee, pabst...etc. and that stuff is absolutely disgusting but college students will drink massive quantities of it!  
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: inca1980 on <09-23-10/0339:34>
ARTWORK! ARTWORK! ARTWORK!  
Detailed artwork really inspires character ideas and gets people really motivated.  Like the cover of Street Magic or the artists who did a lot of the pictures for the archetypes in SR4A....i.e. Bounty Hunter, Combat Mage, Gunslinger Adept, and Weapon's Specialist.  Try to stay away from the more cartoony silly kind of depictions.  For example, I really like the cover of Runners Companion...but the artwork you have for the alternative character concepts like the metavariants is so out of place and basically looks like Matt Groening did them for an episode of the simpsons....it's made me not want to make any characters of that type....and sadly I haven't because those drawings just spoiled it for me.  Or for example the artwork I see in a lot of the "missions" adventures.   But if there was a lot more artwork depicting all these things, then it would be fine if there was some drawings i didn't like, because I would have ones I did like and I would ignore the bad ones....but sadly there is not enough artwork.

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sascha Morlok on <09-23-10/1038:02>
I would like to see a Book about magical Hotspots, where magic play a greater role. Sou we could take a look on places like Tir Tairngire, Tír na nÓg, Prague, Pomorya, Washington FDC and others

+1 for a Maritime book and +1 for a Space book. SR4 has to much hooks to space to not include it into a (hotspot) book. We have Nairobi, space rules, suites and already some locations in other books. Moon colonies, space stations and satellites could be very interesting (not to mention Zürich-Orbital).

Also I would like to see a compilation of German cities, which where added to the German sourcebooks (Hamburg, Munich, Greater-Frankfurt and recently Berlin).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-23-10/1040:21>
Don't forget the Mars base... How I'd love to send some runners to Mars and the weird magic they'd encounter... ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-23-10/1041:33>
Don't forget the Mars base... How I'd love to send some runners to Mars and the weird magic they'd encounter... ;)

Uuuuuuh.... Shadowrun-Doom(Movie)-Crossover... *drool*
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Grymjack on <09-23-10/1218:01>
ARTWORK! ARTWORK! ARTWORK!  
Detailed artwork really inspires character ideas and gets people really motivated.  Like the cover of Street Magic or the artists who did a lot of the pictures for the archetypes in SR4A....i.e. Bounty Hunter, Combat Mage, Gunslinger Adept, and Weapon's Specialist.  Try to stay away from the more cartoony silly kind of depictions.  For example, I really like the cover of Runners Companion...but the artwork you have for the alternative character concepts like the metavariants is so out of place and basically looks like Matt Groening did them for an episode of the simpsons....it's made me not want to make any characters of that type....and sadly I haven't because those drawings just spoiled it for me.  Or for example the artwork I see in a lot of the "missions" adventures.   But if there was a lot more artwork depicting all these things, then it would be fine if there was some drawings i didn't like, because I would have ones I did like and I would ignore the bad ones....but sadly there is not enough artwork.


I 2nd this.  As an artist, I was visual to make my imagination go wild.
I would love to see a return to the Street Samurai Catalog format:  With a gun per page, and all the cool shadow talk about the guns.

Not to mention we need a serious Drone/Vehicle Catalog because there is a serious lack of good cyberpunk art for these items.  Hell call it the RBB, the Rigger Blue Book.    We dont need more rules for riggers we need wiz gear for riggers with PICS!

Then one more thing.  BRING STEVE PRESCOTT AND JEFF LAUBENSTEIN BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  for me there art made Shadowrun.  Laubenstein was one of the original concept artist of Shadowrun and at Gencon this year I spoke with him at length.  He showed me some of the early concepts the became the original front cover.  And PRESCOTT had the image of cyberpunk down to a tee!  His art is the best black and white art in all the books.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-23-10/1230:47>
I said it before and I'll say it again. Yes, I miss the old style, but it was an incredible waste of paper. Looking at just the weapons section of Arsenal, if they had down a single page for just each weapon (not counting the ammuntion entries, or any other chapter but weapons), the book would have to have been 150 pages longer. As a consumer, I'm glad they didn't. The book would have to have been either made into one massive 700+ book, or split into a book for each section. Which means we'd have to spend more money (I would spend it, no doubt, but I'm glad I don't have to).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Grymjack on <09-23-10/1248:45>
I said it before and I'll say it again. Yes, I miss the old style, but it was an incredible waste of paper. Looking at just the weapons section of Arsenal, if they had down a single page for just each weapon (not counting the ammuntion entries, or any other chapter but weapons), the book would have to have been 150 pages longer. As a consumer, I'm glad they didn't. The book would have to have been either made into one massive 700+ book, or split into a book for each section. Which means we'd have to spend more money (I would spend it, no doubt, but I'm glad I don't have to).

Heck they can put 3 cars / weapons/ cyberware with illustrations per page and I'd still be happy.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-23-10/1321:56>
Granted, the illustrations aren't huge, but most of the items in Arsenal did get one in the header of the page. At least they stuffed it full of artwork of the items. The only major thing missing is comments on every weapon from Shadowrunners.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-23-10/1325:36>
Yeah, another wish is: please never take away illustriations of the items in the books!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Prime Mover on <09-23-10/1610:08>
I don't think this can be stressed enough appropriate art and gear pics make HUGE difference.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <09-23-10/1727:49>
Don't forget the Mars base... How I'd love to send some runners to Mars and the weird magic they'd encounter... ;)

Mars has no life.  As such, Mars has no Mana.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-23-10/1845:56>
Don't forget the Mars base... How I'd love to send some runners to Mars and the weird magic they'd encounter... ;)

Mars has no life.  As such, Mars has no Mana.
Bear with me...

Let's suppose Mars once had life and a mana cycle much like Earth's. But on Mars, the Horrors succeeded...

Now, we come along. We start finding artifacts. More people come, and the Mana rises as a result. The artifacts and other 'things' begin to wake up. But there's one major problem with the Astral plane at Mars: the Horrors had created a permanent bridge so they could come and go as long as there is a minimal amount of mana to attach to...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <09-23-10/2013:05>
Yes, but that's not the case.  There's not really anything on Mars, and the dragon bones from Dunkies Will were proven a hoax.  It's just a barren red rock.

And I loath the idea of a space book, outside of something like Target: Wastelands that touches on it a bit for that rare trip to a suborbital.  If I want to play in space, I'll play Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Eclipse Phase, or one of a zillion other RPGs that covers space.

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-23-10/2027:13>
Yes, but that's not the case.  There's not really anything on Mars, and the dragon bones from Dunkies Will were proven a hoax.  It's just a barren red rock.

And I loath the idea of a space book, outside of something like Target: Wastelands that touches on it a bit for that rare trip to a suborbital.  If I want to play in space, I'll play Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Eclipse Phase, or one of a zillion other RPGs that covers space.

Bull
Point taken. I just like coming up with weird stuff. ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: MJBurrage on <09-23-10/2322:18>
Yes, but that's not the case.  There's not really anything on Mars, and the dragon bones from Dunkies Will were proven a hoax.  It's just a barren red rock.

According to Missions, not only are the pyramids and bones real, but NASA brought back samples of both; and only the flying saucer image was fake.  Did they retcon that later?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-24-10/0019:11>
Yes, but that's not the case.  There's not really anything on Mars, and the dragon bones from Dunkies Will were proven a hoax.  It's just a barren red rock.

According to Missions, not only are the pyramids and bones real, but NASA brought back samples of both; and only the flying saucer image was fake.  Did they retcon that later?
Actually, the final part of the Mission: Mars section of Missions reads:

Quote from: Missions, p. 70
So what's the real story with the pyramids and skeleton on Mars? Are they signs of intelligent life? And what about the Operation Discovery disaster? Is it coincidence that the ship malfunctioned just as the Awakening began on Earth ... or is there more to it? The answers to these questions are the gamemaster's to determine.

The adventure gives characters the evidence of the bones and pyramids, but never confirms whether they are genuine or not. None of the NPCs give anything more detailed than "I heard about ..." in there description of what was brought back, so there's still no confirming that they are the real deal. It doesn't even confirm if the astronaut may be lying about the evidence or not that he brought back. As the book says, it's up to the GM. ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Doc Chaos on <09-24-10/0039:50>
Yes, but that's not the case.  There's not really anything on Mars, and the dragon bones from Dunkies Will were proven a hoax.  It's just a barren red rock.

And I loath the idea of a space book, outside of something like Target: Wastelands that touches on it a bit for that rare trip to a suborbital.  If I want to play in space, I'll play Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Eclipse Phase, or one of a zillion other RPGs that covers space.

Bull

+1
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: MJBurrage on <09-24-10/0140:52>
Actually, the final part of the Mission: Mars section of Missions reads:

Quote from: Missions, p. 70
So what's the real story with the pyramids and skeleton on Mars? Are they signs of intelligent life? And what about the Operation Discovery disaster? Is it coincidence that the ship malfunctioned just as the Awakening began on Earth ... or is there more to it? The answers to these questions are the gamemaster's to determine.

The adventure gives characters the evidence of the bones and pyramids, but never confirms whether they are genuine or not. None of the NPCs give anything more detailed than "I heard about ..." in there description of what was brought back, so there's still no confirming that they are the real deal. It doesn't even confirm if the astronaut may be lying about the evidence or not that he brought back. As the book says, it's up to the GM. ;D
That passage only states that the meaning of pyramids and bones on Mars is up to the GM.  The behind-the-scenes parts of the adventure are very clear that the pyramids and bones are there.  The images are clear enough to show that the pyramids and bones are not just rock formations.

Who built the pyramids, when they were built, and what the large winged skeleton means is what is up to interpretation.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sascha Morlok on <09-24-10/0547:11>
Yes, but that's not the case.  There's not really anything on Mars, and the dragon bones from Dunkies Will were proven a hoax.  It's just a barren red rock.

And I loath the idea of a space book, outside of something like Target: Wastelands that touches on it a bit for that rare trip to a suborbital.  If I want to play in space, I'll play Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Eclipse Phase, or one of a zillion other RPGs that covers space.

Bull

Than you have to kill off the Shadowtalker Orbital DK, because he would not make much sense then. There are already to many hooks to space to not include it in a way that it's playable. We don't need a 40+ pages description of the Mars-Base, but there are space stations which are visited frequently which can be interesting. Why people always say that if you what this and that in this setting, go to another setting when SR has already Space. I don't need to play the Star Wars RPG (which at the time has no publisher) when I have a setting which already provides me with several space stations, moon colonies and so on.

When you go for "It can not be what shoud'nt be", why you included the space suits in the Arsenal, why you included the flying space crafts skill anyway? If you don't want it than kick that out of the setting and make a remark into the core rulebook "if you want space go play Star Wars".
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Doomed One on <09-24-10/1035:30>
I would love to see a book with space/moon/mars, and I would also love to see a book about the Ocean and what is in it.  Both in the same book would be acceptable.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-24-10/1113:07>
I would love to see a book with space/moon/mars, and I would also love to see a book about the Ocean and what is in it.  Both in the same book would be acceptable.
So, an update on Target: Wastelands. My question with this is how much has happened to the Wastelands in the ten (game) years since the original? The only thing I know that is a major change is the Mars base.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Katerchen on <09-25-10/1027:21>
Well you couldn't taint your lands with "Nazi brew"(tm)  ;D But now that enough grass has grown over it... let the brewing commence! Weissbier is ok, I prefer Helles.

Augustiner Bräu Lagerbier Hell...

(btw I felt the munich sourcebook was a bit strange... dachau, hasenbergl)

But back to toppic:
Well, space is really not necessary for SR. All that mars-stuff and space would get tooo high-power or, well, unrealistic. It's just not logical to send runners up there. That was one of the main problems in Target: Wastelands in my opinion.

What I would like to see is yet announced: Spy Games and Attitude

But a new book about smuggling would be nice, yes.

And I want so see more about the world. Not in an in-game magazine form or so but more about life, movies, clubs, lifestyle, sports, music, gossip etc. Maybe Attitude is covering some of that but I doubt there will be more than a sidebar list.

And I think we got enough cyberware, bioware, magic stuff etc. I really don't need more additional tech and rules in upcomming books. Keep it simple, fill the world not the rules.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <09-26-10/1531:23>
I'd like to see something along the lines of Prime Runners done in a 10 Jackpointers style.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <09-26-10/1626:08>
I'd like to see something along the lines of Prime Runners done in a 10 Jackpointers style.
Hmm... Maybe a "Where are they now?" Include runners like Bung, Argent, Dirk, Wolf...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <09-26-10/1737:37>
I'd like to see something along the lines of Prime Runners done in a 10 Jackpointers style.
Hmm... Maybe a "Where are they now?" Include runners like Bung, Argent, Dirk, Wolf...

Ooo... yeah that would work, good idea.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: DarkLloyd on <09-28-10/0543:42>
Speaking as a fan and GM, not a freelancer:
Actually, what I would like to see most are the following books:

MASTER OF SHADOWS – The Gamemaster Guide to SR
....................................,
10 MATRICES – Virtual Places
......................................,
NEW SPRAWL SITES – if not included in GM book

and most of all:

DREKK – the Runner's Magazine
An ingame magazine (PDF?) like Street Samurai Catalogue or Rigger Black Book or the CP2020 Chromebooks and (most of all) Solo of Fortune: A magazine/blog/newsfeed that details a lot of topics that cater to runner's interests, features new equipment (with description and rumors and shadowtalk and ingame ads by the manufacturer) and lists of current music, sport events, a section on job offers ... new stuff can later appear in a new Arsenal, but reintroduce the story aspect of stuff, because STUFF IS COOL! Give us brands, give us some attitude, but not as a long rant of some shadowtalker or snippets of sociolist studies, but STRAIGHT IN THE FACE, as articles, posts, ads, spam ... a profile-generated
magazine with content collected by an agent program of your everyday shadowrunner. With Shadowbabe (and Shadowhunk, if you must) of the month Smiley
 

You Sir Have hit upon what I've been wanting (for a few years now), even if I couldn't coalasce the idea myself.
Hey!! TPTB Take note here!!!
These are the kinds of products that Hooked me and my freinds all those years ago.
I'm not saying you have to go One page per item, (2 or 3 with a small font) but then again if you removed all that longwinded mostly irrelevant "article" posting before the gear, one page per item might have fit.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Frankie the Fomori on <09-28-10/1107:57>
What i would really like to see, more than any new product is for the old products to get cleaned up. Post updates on rulings, Errata, and add more information to some spells and items. I.E. shapchange, and grenades, free spirit section, vehicle chase seems to cause some confusion. I understand nothing is perfect but some of these products have been out for two years, I found information from old line developers/ designers that sounds like it should be canon, but because it is not in print some GM's will count that them as house rules. Very very frustrating.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FoxBoy on <10-03-10/1333:43>
I would have to agree with Frankie here. Clean up the materials, update page references so they point at SR4A instead of the original book, the whole nine yards. Even put the books out as version 1.1 if ya need to, but it would be nice to have a complete set where every page reference was actually accurate. Fix the typos too.

It's a bunch of little things, but little things like that actually make the entire game line seem more professional and easier to work with.

After that? Lets see whats under the ocean's surface, please? I know of a few runners that would love to crack the shell of a horizon undersea lab...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Krypter on <10-03-10/1500:42>
Undersea would be cool. The Cyberpunk 2020 Firestorm books did that really well.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JM_Hardy on <10-03-10/1636:58>
I would have to agree with Frankie here. Clean up the materials, update page references so they point at SR4A instead of the original book, the whole nine yards. Even put the books out as version 1.1 if ya need to, but it would be nice to have a complete set where every page reference was actually accurate. Fix the typos too.

It's a bunch of little things, but little things like that actually make the entire game line seem more professional and easier to work with.

After that? Lets see whats under the ocean's surface, please? I know of a few runners that would love to crack the shell of a horizon undersea lab...

The core books are being reprinted with SR4A page references (see the recent Street Magic street date announcement) and typo corrections as I find 'em.

Jason H.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Qemuel on <10-03-10/1947:25>
Fantastic!!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: inca1980 on <10-05-10/0041:16>
It would be great if you could put the updated SR4A page references in Street Magic and other reprinted sourcebooks in an online Errata pdf or something of the sort.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Samoa Schoasch on <10-05-10/0642:22>
I'd love to the theses things:
1. Shadows over Africa. OK, there is some info about Lagos, Capetown and Nairobi available. Also there is the (outdated) Cyberpirates! SB with articles on Madagascar and the Gold & Ivory Coast. But that's it. Africa could be a very interesting und very diverse continent to play on.
2. Same thing is true about South America
3. Australia Update would also be fine...
But let's wait what the Almanac brings.

4. Better artwork! I got my copy of arsenal today and I'm VERY disappointed about the "patchwork" style of the interior art. And even more disappointing is the crappy style (like some of the weapons or vehicles). Someting like the Streetsamurai Catalogue or Rigger Black Book would have worked better for me, as I'm a guy who chooses his gun mor by the cool-factor than by the damage.
5. More about everyday life: There were some good articles in the SOTA 2063/20064 SBs (like "the road to Amazonia" on the Fifa Worldcup). I'd like to see more about things like "Life as a Sarariman" or "How food is processed" or "Wich show is hot on trid". Things that are not necessarily relevant for the game but some more flavor to it. Something like "Joe 2060" (for German-speakers only) was.
6. Something like the SOTA books.

thats it for nom   
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: street.mage on <10-13-10/2043:33>
This may be a bit far out there, but a time travel book?

I really like the "Master of Shadows" GM book.  An entire chapter filled with NPCs or options thrown at opponents.  Encounters - groups of possible opponents for runners.  If your players take a path you didn't anticipate, its good to have something handy to throw at them.

A book of "maps."  I don't use miniatures, but sometimes (from my days as a DM at D&D) an entire adventure can come to mind just on a map.  Random warehouses, office buildings; layouts of big corp buildings, underground facilities, etc.  Heck, this in the Master of Shadows would be cool too.  I know the Toolkit is having some of this, but 10 random maps you can only use so many times.

Sin City.  'Nuff said.

I still like the underwater facilities as before.

More info on Japan, Middle East, Africa, Central & South America, Australia, and Antarctica.  More info on the Indian nations.

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <01-05-11/1613:17>
Id vote for updated Cyberpirates, when times come to WAR  and Azzies are strugling with Amazonia, some pirates may see this asnan oportunity ... lets say ... Maria Franciscas have had some sentimens about Azzies if I remember correctly. On the other side.
And this whole Africa, and Madagascar
This source should also include most of Smuggling routes, goodies and tactics and maybe some contacts...

BTW: Germans know exactly the same shit about the good beer as Americans do.
read
CZECH BEER RULEZ :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FutureBoy on <01-12-11/1708:51>
In reference to all the space talk my group has been running with the idea that a ten mile chunk of the moon's surface has started getting built up like a 2070's version of modern day Dubai. Corps set up a large enough algae tank that the background count is only slightly uncomfortable, then put in the resorts and crummy housing for the staff to live in. There are regular flights, albeit very expensive ones, and we've come up with a few reasons to head up there. We treat the setting like an extravagant Orlando.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Reverendo on <02-02-11/1716:00>
My .2 nuyen

-SOTA books
-And "Runners toolkit"  :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: John Schmidt on <02-03-11/1111:18>
We are seeing microbreweries pop up all over the US, funny how it took 60 years to turn back the clock from WW2.

Well you couldn't taint your lands with "Nazi brew"(tm)  ;D But now that enough grass has grown over it... let the brewing commence! Weissbier is ok, I prefer Helles.

Actually it had nothing to do with perceived German-ness of beer...women entered the work force (Rosie the Riveter) and they prefered lighter beers (i.e. lagers).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <02-14-11/1324:56>
@ JS: well...good point...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Loki on <02-15-11/2112:27>
Revelation of what N.E.R.P.S. are/is. And not Net Enhancements for RolePlaying Shadowrun.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: raggedhalo on <02-16-11/0433:01>
Non-Essential RolePlay Stuff, surely?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <02-16-11/1139:36>
Revelation of what N.E.R.P.S. are/is. And not Net Enhancements for RolePlaying Shadowrun.
The joke.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: inca1980 on <03-21-11/0040:38>
I feel a book just devoted to shadowrun art would be amazing!!!  Just more art in general!!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-21-11/0057:43>
I feel a book just devoted to shadowrun art would be amazing!!!  Just more art in general!!
You mean a new one, right?   :P
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: inca1980 on <03-21-11/0246:30>
Ya a new one :)  It could even be like a calendar or something. 
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-21-11/1153:23>
I want a Roadmaster, and a LMG with belt-feed, 10,000 Rounds of ammo for it, and a Pony...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <03-21-11/1156:13>
A Winnebago, fully stocked, burgundy interior.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-21-11/1204:23>
Peace in the world. And beer fo free and everyone free to ge some :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Dead Monky on <03-21-11/1904:10>
I want a secluded mountain fortress with my own personal army of jumpsuit wearing minions, a death ray, a weather control machine, and a fully stocked laboratory where I can create my abominations unto God.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wesley Street on <03-22-11/0844:34>
No typographic errors.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-22-11/0956:20>
"Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket." - Captain Tightpants
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Outrider45 on <03-23-11/2027:06>
A Winnebago, fully stocked, burgundy interior.

You already got that FastJack. Or do I need to summon the Viscount to remind you.

Anyways, I'd like to see new fiction novels and a really good video game.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <03-23-11/2352:09>
A Winnebago, fully stocked, burgundy interior.

You already got that FastJack. Or do I need to summon the Viscount to remind you.

Anyways, I'd like to see new fiction novels and a really good video game.
Oooh... a SR video game from Bioware. ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Malex on <03-24-11/0040:16>
A videogame and a lunchbox with matching thermos. Hehehe. :D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: skulldier on <03-24-11/0358:32>
Somebody needs to get cracking on a Shadowrun comic book series or two.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-24-11/0601:04>
A Winnebago, fully stocked, burgundy interior.

You already got that FastJack. Or do I need to summon the Viscount to remind you.

Anyways, I'd like to see new fiction novels and a really good video game.
Oooh... a SR video game from Bioware. ;)

OH Please...no more linear videogames from Bioware, I`d rather enjoy more free shadowrun universe :)
Wait....
Doesnt Microsoft owns the license for the electronic Shadowrun products?
Well...now that Bioware sounds like a lesser evil...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JM_Hardy on <03-24-11/0828:12>
OH Please...no more linear videogames from Bioware, I`d rather enjoy more free shadowrun universe :)
Wait....
Doesnt Microsoft owns the license for the electronic Shadowrun products?
Well...now that Bioware sounds like a lesser evil...

At the moment the license is in the hands of Smith & Tinker.

Jason H.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <03-24-11/0831:54>
I wouldn't mind seeing CCP (the makers of the hardcore space SF MMO Eve Online) make a hardcore cyberpunk/fantasy MMO for Shadowrun.  It would most definately NOT be a WoWclone.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-24-11/0833:58>
hmm..that looks interesting...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-24-11/1006:48>
Shadowrun in the style of KotR?  Or Fallout (Using a less buggy engine, of course.)?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <03-24-11/1309:56>
Shadowrun in the style of KotR?  Or Fallout (Using a less buggy engine, of course.)?
KotR/Mass Effect/Dragon Age
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: PeterSmith on <03-24-11/1340:20>
Shadowrun in the style of KotR?  Or Fallout (Using a less buggy engine, of course.)?

For engine? The new Creation engine for Elder Scrolls V.

For writing? Toss-up between ME2 and F:NV teams.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-24-11/1351:37>
Or maybe new Deus Ex HR with a little of magic??? :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <03-24-11/2240:43>
Somebody needs to get cracking on a Shadowrun comic book series or two.
I have discussed that with Brian Clevinger of Atomic Robo, and a Shadowrun player, who would also like to write one.

However, my discussions with other people have indicated it isn't likely to happen soon.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <03-24-11/2253:39>
I want:

1) Shadowrun Action Figure Line.  3 3/4" figures, GI Joe style articulation and style (And compatible with GI Joe toys).

2)  Shadowrun Animated Show.  With Greg Weisman at the helm, and his animation team from Gargoyles on Animation duty (With Art Consulting by Jim Nelson, Jeff Laubenstein, AAS, and Brent Evans), with me on Story consulting. :)

3)  Shadowrun Miniatures and a Shadowrun Miniatures game.  28mm Heroic Scale.  With rules scaled down from the RPG (West End did this with Star Wars, it was amazing how well it worked scaling PCs down to hero figures so they could lead troops into battle).

4)  Shadowrun Theme Park.  :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <03-24-11/2254:45>
And on a more persnal note.

I want to resurrect the SR Trading Card Game, and do a Fantasy Flight/Arkham Horror style Shadowrun Board game.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-24-11/2315:04>
Honestly, how would we be able to get past the censors with a Shadowrun Cartoon?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Critias on <03-24-11/2344:04>
Honestly, how would we be able to get past the censors with a Shadowrun Cartoon?
Frag, drek, and slitch, of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Outrider45 on <03-24-11/2344:53>
And on a more persnal note.

I want to resurrect the SR Trading Card Game, and do a Fantasy Flight/Arkham Horror style Shadowrun Board game.

Until you mentioned it I forgot I have those cards.....time to dig them out and revisit it.

And I concur about the FF/AH style board game. It would work well as the runners all have to work together to finish the run VS. everyone for themselves.

(Now I also have to arrange for an Arkham Horror night.....w/ at least 2 expansions....)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <03-25-11/0035:14>
I want a Drop Bear themed adventure based off of the Drop Bear Conspiracy. A DoTA arc style adventure would be perfect.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wesley Street on <03-27-11/1252:24>
3)  Shadowrun Miniatures and a Shadowrun Miniatures game.  28mm Heroic Scale.  With rules scaled down from the RPG (West End did this with Star Wars, it was amazing how well it worked scaling PCs down to hero figures so they could lead troops into battle).
This would be awesome but I'd be happy with Cardboard Heroes/DMZ style pieces. It would definitely be cheaper to produce.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-27-11/1412:29>
3)  Shadowrun Miniatures and a Shadowrun Miniatures game.  28mm Heroic Scale.  With rules scaled down from the RPG (West End did this with Star Wars, it was amazing how well it worked scaling PCs down to hero figures so they could lead troops into battle).
This would be awesome but I'd be happy with Cardboard Heroes/DMZ style pieces. It would definitely be cheaper to produce.
Yeah, a ebook of Cardboard Heroes and some card stock, and you can print out exactly what you need.

I grabbed a bunch of "Cyberpunk" items off RPGNow for just this reason.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <03-27-11/1522:28>
Agreed.  But there's nnothing like a really good miniatures line.  But having both as options would be terrific.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Malex on <03-27-11/2054:26>
Comic book series. Not too difficult to imagine. Follow that up with a new Shadowrun videogame that isn't just a shooter and we'd have awesomeness. 8)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: KarmaInferno on <03-27-11/2318:03>
I would like optional rules for vehicle weights, capacities, and passenger space, please. And associated vehicle mods and accessories.

Maybe add it as a couple of pages or so to the 30 Rides PDF? Page count isn't as big a deal for PDF products, yes?



-k
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <03-27-11/2350:10>
Shadowrun gummis or any type of gummi for that matter  :-[
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-28-11/0010:43>
Novels?  I already know people are going to be kicked about this if it doesn't happen soon, but I just finished going through my old, now incomplete, collection again and desire more.

Maybe ebook re-releases?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Charybdis on <03-28-11/0153:48>
I want a Drop Bear themed adventure based off of the Drop Bear Conspiracy. A DoTA arc style adventure would be perfect.
+1 for you Sir.

More Drop Bears are required everywhere.... not just lurking around billabongs and swagmen to scare the tourists
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <03-28-11/2045:59>
I agree on the Drop Bears needed everywhere. Even in the April Fools material :D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <03-28-11/2055:00>
Oh man, that's coming up.  Wonder what SR has in store this year...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JM_Hardy on <03-28-11/2122:06>
Oh man, that's coming up.  Wonder what SR has in store this year...

April Fool's? Do we usually do stuff for that?

Jason H.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: PeterSmith on <03-28-11/2124:19>
April Fool's? Do we usually do stuff for that?

Jason H.

This from the guy who wrote Best Ever!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Malex on <03-28-11/2125:22>
Oh man, that's coming up.  Wonder what SR has in store this year...

April Fool's? Do we usually do stuff for that?

Jason H.

If you haven't before, why not start now?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <03-28-11/2218:30>
He's kidding, their April Fools stuff is great. Best Ever is a jokey mash-up of Shadowrun and Battletech which is suprisingly workable and they did a thing on playing as a dragon.

Edit- Let me just say again Drop Bears.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Charybdis on <03-29-11/2112:28>
Edit- Let me just say again Drop Bears.
Seconded...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Malex on <03-30-11/1418:18>
YAY, at least I have something beyond giving people coronaries on April 1st to look forward to.  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Simagal on <04-15-11/1619:32>
Locations, locations, locations.
Info on an Arkoblock would be cool. A trip to Shibanokuji Freefall Resort. A Sixth World Almanac style book for locations not already presented. An update of Dragons of the Sixth World.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Netzgeist on <04-15-11/1640:15>
Updates on some of the southern hemisphere. Australia, south-South America, Antarctica.

I double on the South-South America updates. Well, in all the southern hemisphere would be great, but I can be satisfied with (really )south  America.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Shadowjack on <07-24-11/2103:39>
I want a Tokyo sourcebook similar to the Seattle one.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <07-25-11/0913:10>
That...would be cool.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Starglyte on <07-25-11/1140:48>
I want a Tokyo sourcebook similar to the Seattle one.

That would be a fun read.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <07-25-11/1325:50>
I wouldn't stop at Tokyo.

I'd also like to see them for most of the major cities. Heck, you could even cut the page count down a bit and offer them as PDF-only books.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <07-25-11/1825:56>
Now I'm really liking this idea.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mystic on <07-25-11/1842:03>
Wonder if anyone would be interested in something like "Shadows of the Midwest"? I know it's not exactly the most exciting sounding project idea, but what better place for the corps to set up some of the most interesting stuff? No one is gonna suspect that Old Man McKay's farm is just a front for a secret underground black project.

OK, maybe some snooping kids and a dog, but I digress.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <07-25-11/1911:08>
I want a Tokyo sourcebook similar to the Seattle one.
Well, Japan now is getting Shadowrun books.  Maybe they'll get interesting stuff that's only in Japanese like Germans get only in German.  ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Starglyte on <07-25-11/2239:09>
Wouldn't hurt to see Dallas/Ft.Worth again. But then I am biased.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <07-25-11/2254:54>
Wouldn't hurt to see Dallas/Ft.Worth again. But then I am biased.
I don't know...  *Sings in the key of off*

"Tin soldiers and Atzlan's coming, we're gonna be on our own;
Down the road I hear the drumming, forty dead in San Antonio;
Gotta get down to it, blood mages are cuttin' 'em down, should have been done long ago;
What if you knew them, and found them dead on the ground, how can you run when you know?"
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mystic on <07-26-11/0028:19>
I want a Tokyo sourcebook similar to the Seattle one.
Well, Japan now is getting Shadowrun books.  Maybe they'll get interesting stuff that's only in Japanese like Germans get only in German.  ;)

OK, Ive said this for years, but Ive always wanted to see a Shadowrun anime or animated movie and or series. I mean come on, the two could be PERFECT togeather! Could it happen?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Onion Man on <07-26-11/0031:39>
I dunno if this has been said, but I would find some money to spend on a history and lore compilation.

Think Leaves From the Inn of the Last Home, but for Shadowrun instead of Dragonlance.  I know some non-gamers that might buy something like that as a coffee table piece too.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mystic on <07-26-11/0219:16>
At this point, people would LOVE some more SR novels, period. It was the one thing I kept hearing people ask Jason over and over again at origins.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Dweller on <07-26-11/0929:18>
Best of the best ideas I'd vote for (as many times as possible):

1.  Shadowrun miniatures.  Prepainted plastic minis in several boxed sets (Runners Set I & II, CorpSec, Gangers, MegaCorp Movers, etc).  Don't have to be collectible, random or with rarity.  Just straight up boxed sets of 10 or so figs ready to use right out of the package.

2.  Shadowrun comic.  We've got such fantastic artists in the SR community, both amateur and professional.  And writing talent in spades.  I'm also fairly sure CGL could come up with some printers...

3.  Shadowrun video game.  Rather than a Bioware or (gods no) CCP route, I'd go more in an Ubisoft direction.  Just play some of the Assassin's Creed titles and tell me you don't picture your character as a historical shadowrunner.  Wetwork, thievery, spying and the latest tech for the biz.  All the aspects are there.  Along with the free roam, kill anywhere in a detailed metroplex theme.  Oh, and the modeling and character control is quite superb.

4.  A Hostile Arcologies sourcebook.  Space and deep water have a lot of similarities as far as special living/working conditions go.  I think one book could support both environments.  Complete with a Runner Havens style chapter detailing one major location for each and a few minor entries, a who's doing what chapter and a tech/gear section.

And to add to all the previous ideas:  an occasional web enhancement,  There's bound to be material that didn't make the final cut of a book due to page count, etc. The kind of stuff that there isn't enough of it to make even a pdf only product out of.   I'd love to see some of that show up in the way other companies have released it (a page or two here and there on their website as a freebie).  Whether listed as official or optional, I don't think anyone here wouldn't  want to see extra content.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: DWC on <07-26-11/1157:16>
I'd like to see a Shadows of the Confederation book, if only to find out how the hell the CAS managed to re-incorporate the Air Force back into the Army and whether it stayed that way.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: KarmaInferno on <07-28-11/0321:43>
3.  Shadowrun video game.  Rather than a Bioware or (gods no) CCP route, I'd go more in an Ubisoft direction.  Just play some of the Assassin's Creed titles and tell me you don't picture your character as a historical shadowrunner.  Wetwork, thievery, spying and the latest tech for the biz.  All the aspects are there.  Along with the free roam, kill anywhere in a detailed metroplex theme.  Oh, and the modeling and character control is quite superb.

Unfortunately, this one is pretty much out of Catalyst's hands. Microsoft still owns the rights, currently sub-licensed to Smith & Tinker.

That said, a web-based 3D online version of Shadowrun is in the works.



-k
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Shadowstarr on <08-04-11/2120:25>
3.  Shadowrun video game.  Rather than a Bioware or (gods no) CCP route, I'd go more in an Ubisoft direction.  Just play some of the Assassin's Creed titles and tell me you don't picture your character as a historical shadowrunner.  Wetwork, thievery, spying and the latest tech for the biz.  All the aspects are there.  Along with the free roam, kill anywhere in a detailed metroplex theme.  Oh, and the modeling and character control is quite superb.

Unfortunately, this one is pretty much out of Catalyst's hands. Microsoft still owns the rights, currently sub-licensed to Smith & Tinker.

That said, a web-based 3D online version of Shadowrun is in the works.



-k

Shame about MS  buying out FASA's properties,  Hurt a lot of people's feelings not to mention jobs.   Multiplayer Battletech: 3025 was all but ready to launch when it got axed.   EA (who bought Kesmai from Newscorp) and MS couldn't get along well enough to let Kesmai get it out.  A lot of good people at Kesmai wanted to do a proper MMOish Shadowrun game but those are the breaks.  Lest I got the all the Shadowrun books when they closed the doors.   

-SS
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Reverendo on <08-13-11/1857:06>
Using some necromancer skills....resurrect the SR Trading Card Game  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <08-13-11/1936:18>
Yeah, the core concept was pretty cool.  I think it could have been tweaked to make it friendlier, though.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: bigity on <08-14-11/2019:44>
Nooooo no more CCGs, please :P


I have lost alot of time and money to those already.   A SR one might get me to spend some bucks on them once again.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <08-14-11/2021:43>
Malcolm Reynolds:  "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..."
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Reverendo on <08-15-11/0518:21>
Yeah, the core concept was pretty cool.  I think it could have been tweaked to make it friendlier, though.

What about a SR:TCG  "similar"  to "A game of thrones:the card game"? Not a collectible-spend-ur-money-in-random-boosters...a core set, and expansions in pre-constructed decks, and some minis with each expansion...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-28-11/1446:57>
As the Hero Labs data packs are completed, I would love to see NPC stats provided in HL format; would be a great complement to the PDF releases.

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <08-28-11/1643:38>
that's not a horrible idea.  I may see about doing something like that for Missions.  Would make for a nice "extra".

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-28-11/1938:10>
Missions - excellent idea!  Of course, it will likely be hard to do "easily" until the core book data packs have been released.

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mason on <09-30-11/1248:42>
What about a SR:TCG  "similar"  to "A game of thrones:the card game"? Not a collectible-spend-ur-money-in-random-boosters...a core set, and expansions in pre-constructed decks, and some minis with each expansion...

There already is an SR CCG. I think it is out of print now, though.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <09-30-11/1332:50>
What about a SR:TCG  "similar"  to "A game of thrones:the card game"? Not a collectible-spend-ur-money-in-random-boosters...a core set, and expansions in pre-constructed decks, and some minis with each expansion...

There already is an SR CCG. I think it is out of print now, though.

Yeah, but he's asking for a non CCG card game...  FFG does "Living Card Games", in which you buy fixed sets of cards.  The decks are customizable, so you still can build your own decks to play with, but they aren't sold randomly.  So you'd buy a "Start Box" that would have 100 or 200 cards...  With enough copies of most (or all) cards to fill out 3 or 4 to a deck (Whatever the game rules allow).  I think some of FFG's stuff has a bit of artificial rarity, by only including 1 or 2 copies of certain cards, which I find annoying personally, but whatever.

Anyways, then you add further theme sets down the line..>  So there might be a "Magic" set, and an "Augmentation" set, or a War!" set or "Missions Season 4" set, that would add new gear, new characters, new locations, new challenges, etc based on the books and allowing you to tailor the decks to the themes. 

But the key is you always know what you're getting.  No more massive blind booster buys.  I sunk so much money into Magic, Shadowrun, the Clix games, etc, buying boosters that ended up being 100% useless, even as trade material, because I'd get a crappy rare or something.  Frustrating.

Anyway, if you want something like this, hey, tell Jason and the folks at Catalyst.  I know they have at least one proposal sitting in their inbox for such a game :)

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Phylos Fett on <09-30-11/1830:11>
I think that this is a great idea, if you are looking for people to buy a card game that they don't spend a king's ransom on chasing a few cards. I'd be inclined to grab something like that. (Hell, one of the projects I have on the back burner is something like that, just for a completely different style of game)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Reverendo on <10-09-11/0710:56>
What about a SR:TCG  "similar"  to "A game of thrones:the card game"? Not a collectible-spend-ur-money-in-random-boosters...a core set, and expansions in pre-constructed decks, and some minis with each expansion...

There already is an SR CCG. I think it is out of print now, though.

I remember buying a box of Underworld boosters... and completing the expansion. First time ever it happens to me something similar  :)
There are several retailers selling boxes of decks and boosters on ebay yet, but as Bull said...im tired of getting crappy useless cards. Thats why i think the idea behind Living Card Games could work with Shadowrun:
- Enough theme sets granting a long life for the game
- "Start Box" allows for some great art on the box.
- Its possible add some "extras" to the boxes, as minis, or clix (small this time please  ;) )...
- "cheap" expansions...a deck and its all...
...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <11-06-11/1013:55>
As an aside, in terms of a Shadowrun animated project, don't forget that while the network shows are bubblgum toy ads, there are alternate channels these days. Adult Swim, while low budget, has no problem with language or blood, while HBO does the rare animation project that's rather mature (Spawn, for all the faults it had, shows what they're willing to air) ... it's certainly doable, as long as you have a good studio behind you and good writers.

Take a gander at Avatar the Last Airbender, the current Thundercats, or My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and you'll find that the current crop of writers grew up on 80's shows and wants to kick righteous hindquarters in the memory of what came before.

But, I'm an animation geek and could blather on about this topic for, like, days.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-06-11/1229:57>
"Low Budget, Low Life" on Adult Swim, perhaps?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <11-06-11/1419:24>
Want:

a box set of maps for various locations, like a few pages for the former renraku arcology, maybe a "standard" Azzie or Ares building (flavored to fit the corp) basically a step beyond the DMZ and sprawl sites stuff.

an upgrade/update of DMZ to allow truly fast and dirty combat.

an upgrade/update of RBB 2+3's weapon/vehicle DESIGN stuff.

and Cyber of Space (stuff that Space workers use cyber/bio/equip/etc.)

possibles: have the pdf of a book actually have some of the shadowtalk type comments about the equipment in that book. "this gun rocks" "yeah if you're selling them, i've burned thru 5 in 6 months, cuz x burns out within 500 rounds"
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: mistrornge on <11-07-11/1710:54>
The idea to do individual cities as smaller PDF style outputs would be great. Start with DC.

No card game crap. Bleh those are only good for the artwork.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <11-07-11/1718:11>
The idea to do individual cities as smaller PDF style outputs would be great. Start with DC.

THIS! Though DC will be in Conspiracy Theories, having a series of PDFs like The Rotten Apple for Manhattan would be awesome.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: mistrornge on <11-07-11/2100:38>
Small areas would be cool as well. Say eastern UCAS or parts of Asia/the middle east,etc.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-07-11/2103:50>
Maybe a sourcebook on small areas by locals?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <11-08-11/0723:26>
My personal playground is Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love, aka Big Brotherly, aka The Sleeping Giant, the largest population of any city in the UCAS. (Recall that New York emptied after the quake, Chicago got buggy, Boston was nuked (!), and California is its own place, so.)

If we ever do a focus on the CAS, I'm all over that one.

If we go for a "10 Cities" online thing, I'll happily lay claim to Nashville. I'm just down the road, after all, and the Vol Sprawl has scads of background options, from smuggling to BTL to the Church of Elvis, to intra-state rivalries to massive corporate industrial investment to environmental issues ... there's a lot going on.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <11-08-11/0939:17>
As much as I love Philly, I'd have to say it's probably not the most populous city in the UCAS. Seattle is probably #1, but Philly's definitely in the top 5, if not top #2.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <11-08-11/1513:40>
I'd love info on the shadows of Atlanta, myself.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <11-08-11/1537:19>
I'd love info on the shadows of Atlanta, myself.
Look for this guy Kirk, here on forums, and ask him nicely to send you some info. We had a PbP started with him as GM...in atlanta, and even we never make it ot the team meeting point, his background article for the area has some beautifull ideas.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <11-08-11/1622:16>
if you look at the Manhattan book, New York really didn't empty all that much after the Quake (WHich really only had a major effect on Manhattan Island.  The Impact in the remaining Boroughs seems pretty low.  And with the MDC moving in, buying the land up, and rebuilding most of the Island, it's back to a certain amount of prominence, especially after Boston and the Crash.

Seattle's pretty big.

Detroit would be an interesting write up, since it's mostly owned by Ares lock, stock, and barrell. 

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <11-08-11/1632:14>
I'd love info on the shadows of Atlanta, myself.
Look for this guy Kirk, here on forums, and ask him nicely to send you some info. We had a PbP started with him as GM...in atlanta, and even we never make it ot the team meeting point, his background article for the area has some beautifull ideas.

An Atlanta update -- rewrite, really, but you gotta cope with whatever crazy shit you've been given* -- is one of the things I'm going to propose if I ever manage to catch the attention of JM Hardy.

* -- Had they ever actually stood on top of Stone Mountain?  You know, with the constant wind and the bloody cold temperature even in the middle of summer, not to mention that you could be shot at from perfect safety from miles away?  And if the mage really wanted to, he could start dropping mana blasts from Kennesaw Mountain?!?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: TheWanderingJewels on <11-08-11/1824:15>
a Lot of people overlook Omaha, Nebraska

In spite of the fact it is the second largest rail transport hub after Chi-Town

it still has all that Fiber-optic and Telecoms hubs left over from the SAC/NORAD Days, now probably home for UCASSPACECOM.

it's a relative hop skip and jump from Sioux Territory (and a not very friendly border) I'm guessing

It could imagine it beinga central hub for one of the non Azzie Agricorps plusa forward base for Corp or UCAS Thunderbird and strike craft squadrons.

just my .02 yen
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-08-11/1839:54>
Winnipeg is a border town, and Portage La Prairie is Cannon as a T-Bird stop.  My hometown is a border town too, or close enough to.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kirk on <11-08-11/1916:45>
I'd love info on the shadows of Atlanta, myself.
Look for this guy Kirk, here on forums, and ask him nicely to send you some info. We had a PbP started with him as GM...in atlanta, and even we never make it ot the team meeting point, his background article for the area has some beautifull ideas.
Being fair, I wasn't really using Atlanta, just north Georgia which brought part of Atlanta with it.

The only part of canon that I had - have - trouble swallowing is the height of the Cord Mutual building. 500 stories? When the next highest (the HTB), next door, is "only" 180 stories? I wasn't going to rewrite canon, I just wasn't planning to mention it even if (ever if) the players got into it. It's my sincere hope that if a new book gets written with Atlanta in it, those two buildings get retconned smaller. For reference, real world tallest building in Atlanta is 55 stories and it's currently the 9th tallest building in the US (Bank of America plaza aka the Stubby Pencil). Recommended retcon? 125 and 80 stories, respectively.

I'm not as disturbed about Stone Mountain as the Wyrm is, but that's because I'm from Colorado and I've seen Cheyenne Mountain. Yes, the top of the mountain is vulnerable. Hollow it out some, however, and it's extremely defensible even against mana strikes from Kennesaw Mountain.

As for the "difference", I just looked at the way the people here already are and built from that. And for that... In most of the US, Faulkner is allegorical literature. 'Round here, it's just typical family tales.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <11-08-11/1934:53>
I don't have problems with Stone Mountain's interior being a bunker; far from it.  But for the CAS 'White House' to be plunked down on top of it is a bloody waste.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-08-11/1942:01>
*Plays with a lighter*  Just let some Canucks at it, and that won't be a problem for long.  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <11-08-11/1951:48>
Also, when can we expect more profiles on various Jackpointers (like Fastjack himself)? And how about a Fallen Heroes book, where we can get stuff on memorable dead characters (such as Hachetman, Captain Chaos, and a certain great dragon, among others)?

And if there are rules for AIs and Free Spirits as PCs, why not Free Sprites?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kirk on <11-08-11/2006:15>
I don't have problems with Stone Mountain's interior being a bunker; far from it.  But for the CAS 'White House' to be plunked down on top of it is a bloody waste.
And again, I don't. In fact... see the Castle in the Clouds, now Carter Hall of Covenant College. It becomes an impressive and distinctive place, and its vulnerability given the assumed bunker is less than it appears.

And, though many might disagree, a dominant characteristic of the south's population is "face". How you present matters.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <11-08-11/2013:49>
I agree, the kind of attitude it takes to put a major government building in the highest possible profile like that is something that would play very well in the South.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <11-08-11/2108:59>
if you look at the Manhattan book, New York really didn't empty all that much after the Quake (WHich really only had a major effect on Manhattan Island.  The Impact in the remaining Boroughs seems pretty low.  And with the MDC moving in, buying the land up, and rebuilding most of the Island, it's back to a certain amount of prominence, especially after Boston and the Crash.

Seattle's pretty big.

Detroit would be an interesting write up, since it's mostly owned by Ares lock, stock, and barrell. 

Bull
Manhattan isn't part of the UCAS since they incorporated... ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <11-08-11/2124:15>
We really need to follow up on Season 3 of Missions at some point.  One of the things that was getting built to was potentially the UCAS taking back control of Manhattan Island (Either willingly or unwillingly). 

[spoiler]The 2008 Scramble at Gen Con was actually all about this.  There was a party with UCAS and MDC representatives meeting to discuss the matters, and it looked like the MDC was going to hand things over willingly, but then terrorists (aka, one of the teams of runners) detonated a bomb in the building and disrupted talks, grinding the process to a halt.

SRM 03-12 Elevator Ride to Hell sort of picks this up again.  A rogue faction in the FBI decides to spur the process along by helping an unstable leader in the  Neo Anarchists obtain some nasty Biological Weaponry.  The Neo-A's start some major protests and Riots leading to the MDC locking down the Terminal (Manhattan's version of the Barrens, just more heavily and densely populated) with extreme prejudice.  Meanwhile the Neo-A leader kidnaps a VP for Ares and uses her to get to the top of the MDC building, where he plans to launch canisters of this bio toxin out across the city.  The Players get roped into the middle of it all by accident and end up getting hired by the VPs daughter to stop things. 

The FBI agents set this all up so that they could move in, be the heroes, and show that the MDC wasn't capable of handling the Island anymore and needed UCAS oversight. But the Neo-A's kind of screwed things up and accelerated the timeline.  The Runners complicate it even further, espeically when they stop it. [/spoiler]

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <11-08-11/2221:52>
That plotline was in my original DeeCee pitch from 2007. It's about damn time.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <11-08-11/2250:55>
Other things I'd love updates on would be some of the sprawls from Feral Cities, namely Chicago (what with Ares keeping a Queen hostage) and Geneva (and the technomancers/AIs playing havoc in the city).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <11-09-11/1355:53>
As much as I love Philly, I'd have to say it's probably not the most populous city in the UCAS. Seattle is probably #1, but Philly's definitely in the top 5, if not top #2.

Seattle is at, what, 3 million in 2072? That's five times the population of today, but understandable since much of the Northwest flocked there and then it became a boomtown.

The top five of today are, in order, NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Philly.

New York went through the quake and lost Manhattan. LA was California Free State but now makes up about half of the PPC population. Chicago flatlined. Houston's in the CAS. Philly's the only one that hasn't had a disaster.

(The next five, again in order, are Pheonix Arizona, San Antonio, San Deigo, Dallas, and San Jose. Indianapolis is the third largest USA city still in the UCAS.)

(Oh, Toronto crops up above Indy once you add in Canadian cities.)

I boosted Philly from the current 1.5 million to around 6 million, drawing on refugees from New York and, later, from Boston, but, Rotten Apple didn't exist at the time and that could change things on my end.

So, the top four in 2072, but NOT in order, are New York City (Which, minus Manhattan, you almost expect them to fracture into four normal-sized cities, but that goes against the Metroplex idea), Philly, Seattle, and Toronto. Indy may well be #5.

...

Not that this exactly means anything, but hey. :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-09-11/1437:27>
*Shudders*  Hogtown.   >:(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <11-09-11/1440:15>
Um... hate to break it to you, but the BULK of New Yorkers probably went north to Boston after the Quake, following the ECSE and work. Then, when Crash 2.0 happened, they most likely went BACK to New York.

Remember, predators follow the prey. There's really no reason for a population explosion in Philly that would boost it from 1.5 million to 6 million. Per the 6WA, the population of the UCAS is 187,822,981 people, which about 3,000,000+ are in the Seattle area. You've got the Minneapolis Metroplex, Detroit, Toronto and FDC all having much bigger population increases due to employment opportunities than Philadelphia. I'm not saying it's not in the top 3, but I don't see it beating out Seattle (which is THE major port/business capital in the UCAS) for the top spot.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-09-11/1442:35>
And those are just the SINners!  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kirk on <11-09-11/1524:51>
As much as I love Philly, I'd have to say it's probably not the most populous city in the UCAS. Seattle is probably #1, but Philly's definitely in the top 5, if not top #2.

Seattle is at, what, 3 million in 2072? That's five times the population of today, but understandable since much of the Northwest flocked there and then it became a boomtown.

The top five of today are, in order, NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Philly.

New York went through the quake and lost Manhattan. LA was California Free State but now makes up about half of the PPC population. Chicago flatlined. Houston's in the CAS. Philly's the only one that hasn't had a disaster.

(The next five, again in order, are Pheonix Arizona, San Antonio, San Deigo, Dallas, and San Jose. Indianapolis is the third largest USA city still in the UCAS.)

(Oh, Toronto crops up above Indy once you add in Canadian cities.)

I boosted Philly from the current 1.5 million to around 6 million, drawing on refugees from New York and, later, from Boston, but, Rotten Apple didn't exist at the time and that could change things on my end.

So, the top four in 2072, but NOT in order, are New York City (Which, minus Manhattan, you almost expect them to fracture into four normal-sized cities, but that goes against the Metroplex idea), Philly, Seattle, and Toronto. Indy may well be #5.

...

Not that this exactly means anything, but hey. :)
Actually, I have to differ with you on city ranking today. You're right if you use the incorporated area. For a number of reasons I think MSA ranking is better. That is, what's generally called the Greater Metropolitan (city of choice).

The top five  today in the US are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia. The next five are Houston, DC, Miami, Atlanta, Boston. Seattle is fifteenth on the list. If we add Canada, Toronto would fit between Miami and Atlanta while Montreal is almost exactly the size of Seattle.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <11-09-11/1647:59>
The City of Los Angeles is a very small part of the L.A. Basin. Reading CFS is like chewing glass every time they call the City of Compton (among others) a neighborhood. That's why the city population is 2M, but the MSA is over 17M.

New York is similar in many regards because of the boroughs and the various political subdivisions.

Washington is skewed because it would be the downtown to other cities. The population during workdays explodes, but the permanent population is around 600K. The other 3M live in the counties. The funny thing is that there are pretty built up parts of the counties, and Washington does actually have some pretty neat suburbs.


The Seattle-Tacoma MSA population is about what the Metroplex population is in SR, which contradicts the idea of parts of Seattle being crowded. The Seattle Metroplex is huge. It took my step-brother 45 minutes to get from the city of Seattle to the city of Puyallup ten years ago, so with go-gangs and such it should not be any easier. I am pretty sure I could get in my car right now and be in sight of Mexico in the time it takes to get from northern Everett to southern Puyallup districts now, let alone in 2073.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <11-09-11/1710:09>
Here's something I've been thinking about...

Do the census numbers take into account Corp Citizens?  We know that Corps can issue their own SINs (Something that badly needs explored and explained in Shadowrun).  And how do those Corp Citizens interact with the city itself?  Some have Dual Citizenship, I'd assume, espeically if they live "off corp territory", as it were.  (Many live in the corp enclaves and never leave, so they'd just have the corp citizenship).

And Seattle has a stupidly high percentage of SINless.  There are a lot in every city, but Seattle got more than it's share.  Especially when you factor in things like residents of the Ork Underground.

Like a lot of things, the numbers tend to be pretty screwy, and make no sense unless you "no prize" the explanations to pad them out a lot.

Bull

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <11-09-11/1718:22>
Well, it depends. If they live in an extraterritorial site then, no, of course not.

The thing is that the UCAS is not the U.S. The UCAS would count SINners, whereas the U.S. counts everyone. So if you don't have a UCAS SIN then why would they bother counting you?

That has been my understanding, anyway. It's not like I'm writing a book about the UCAS fedgov or anything.

Waitasec ...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <11-09-11/1730:15>
My point exactly, James. 

There's a lot of stuff that's implied... A lot of information in older books that hasn't been revisited in well over a decade.  And then there's areas like the Corp Territory issue which, AFAIK, has never been explicitly stated.

Once you factor in all the corp citizens, you can probably increase Seattles population by 10-20%, minimum.  Factor in Seattle's SINless (Especially with Puyullup, Redmond, and the Ork Underground) and you probably damn near double it.   At least.

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Critias on <11-09-11/1737:28>
Because census counts may or may not count SINless, may or may not count citizens of extranational corporations, may or may not count people in outlying areas that should (but may not be) considered part of the _______ sprawl in particular, may or may not count Infected and other wacky weirder-than-metahuman types...to me, the short answer has always been "the __________ sprawl has as many people as you, the GM, thinks it needs to tell your story." 

Sometimes unreliable narrator is a tremendous gift to GMs.   ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <11-09-11/1758:26>
so does that mean the next Seattle book will have the stats for what the government and corps show/claim followed by several dissenting opinions? say the numbers as provided by the Salish/shidhe border patrol, the number from some hidden data node that has sinless included, and maybe random guesses based on gods care what for throwing wrenches in the works?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kirk on <11-09-11/1818:52>
Why a census? Money. Regardless of whether it's government (taxes) or corps (customers), they want the best idea of how much is there. Secondarily is places where numbers of bodies matter -- representative governments being an example.

Why do the counted allow it? The most effective is if they get something from it. Fear (we can count you in the census or in the graveyard, your call) isn't so good as a lot of the potential counts hide or shoot back.

The tension between those determines how accurate and comprehensive the count will be.

So, it's up to the GM. Me, I say that it varies between nations but NONE are closer than 80%.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <11-09-11/1829:51>
Well, modern US census counts residency, not citizenship, so, it doesn't matter if you're, say, a Kurdish Iraqi living in Nashville... you're a resident, so get counted.

I'd wager that corporate citizenship is counted in a similar fashion.

Of course, we also know that the actual bodycount is all kinds of wonky (Native American Nations, anyone?) ... it might be corruption, but it equally might just be the fact that no one competent works for these positions anymore. Or it could be Shadowrunners fudging stats.

Once you add SINless to the mix, population counts start getting wonky.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <11-09-11/1855:12>
Chicago flatlined...

Here's the thing about major -- repeatable -- disasters in the modern age: the city may take a hit, but it never, ever completely vanishes.  Look at any place that's had an earthquake in the last 60 years.  Hell, look at New Orleans today.  Oh sure, it's down by a third, but it's slowly rebounding.  Chicago?  With the way the rivers and the freeway system has been built in the Midwest, you can't get anywhere in the northern area without going through Chicago.  Which means that it's going to be cheaper to store stuff there.  To trans-ship stuff there.  Then to assemble stuff there, and then to manufacture stuff there.  Cities are rebuilt, because there are advantages to having a city there.

Chicago today -- just the city -- has 2.7 million.  Chicago's area has an estimated 9.8 million, which includes everywhere from Gary, IN to Kenosha, WI.  Bug City was an ongoing horrible disaster, sure, but everyone tends to think that three million people could afford to pick up and move.  Simply put, they can't.  Blue collar workers are going to have to stay put, because they can't get jobs elsewhere and they can't afford to even go, 'cause nobody's gonna buy their house for anywhere near what it's worth.  They'll ship in white-collar workers if they have to in order to manage the aforementioned blue-collars ...

Metro Chicago 2073 may be down from 9.8 million.  Slash it by a third.  But there are still going to be literally millions of people still in the area.  Remember also that the population of the Seattle Metroplex is something over 3 million.  Seattle's current metro area population is 3,344,813  ...

Easiest way to adjudicate SR4 populations is to take the current ones.  Population growth has been slashed by population disasters, pretty much balancing themselves out ...

Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: kirk on <11-09-11/1903:20>
Ah, yes, New Orleans. Of all the cities in SR, it is the one that bothers me the most.

It does so because I know too much about the Mississippi / Red river / Atchafalaya Basin situation.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <11-09-11/1909:51>
Feral Cities veers off into some strange territory (and forgot things like the massive Truman Tower), but it does discuss how the Chicagoland area is significantly large and important. As it should be since Chicago is also near the geographic heart of the UCAS.

so does that mean the next Seattle book will have the stats for what the government and corps show/claim followed by several dissenting opinions? say the numbers as provided by the Salish/shidhe border patrol, the number from some hidden data node that has sinless included, and maybe random guesses based on gods care what for throwing wrenches in the works?
There are comments disputing the figures in Seattle 2072.

Actually, that book suggests the census counts residents, including the SINless. That's bananas. This is the dark future. SINless are barely regarded as human.

Ah, yes, New Orleans. Of all the cities in SR, it is the one that bothers me the most.


It does so because I know too much about the Mississippi / Red river / Atchafalaya Basin situation.
MAGIC!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <11-09-11/1920:34>
Even if they don't value the SINless much, you still have to try and get a rough estimate of their numbers, since they will still use city services such as power, water, hospitals, prison beds, etc.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <11-09-11/2009:52>
That's just it.  They don't.  At least not legally and officially.

Without a SIN, you cannot do anything in SHadowrun.  You can't even walk into Stuffer Shack and buy a candy bar.  A SIN defines you.

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-09-11/2048:37>
They can't even get on the bus to the Stuffer Shack any longer.

Before, you had the ability to do it with a certified credstick, no one cared as long as you weren't causing a problem, you pays your money, you takes your ride.

The Wireless Matrix has made life for the SINless a hell of a lot harder!

And the only way to get a legit SIN, so far, that's been told is the rare SIN Amnesty for a limited number of people (And you're damned sure that PoliClubs will make sure the "Proper" people get those SINs) and Military Service.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <11-09-11/2101:58>
I will note that Certified Credsticks still exist.  And Seattle 2072 specifically points out that actual physical cash and corpscrip is more common there than in most other cities (Common being a relative term of course).  In places where there is little to no wireless, such as the Barrens or in the Majority of the Ork Underground, paper money and credstick is all you can use.

One of SR4's weakest points has always been the overall lack of background fiction to help flesh out the world.  Part of it was the lack of novels, and part was the need to cram in so many rules and so much gear from almost 20 years (at the time) of material that there frequently wasn't the space to handle this stuff.  Hopefully we can fix this as time goes on.

Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <11-09-11/2105:25>
Like, I don't know, novels?  *Bounces Excitedly*

But, yeah, the "Need to broadcast a SIN in certain areas" is the point I was making.  And it's been stated in a few sourcebooks (Including Seattle 2072) that Mass Transit is one of those areas.  (They talk about recruitment offices having to move to the outskirts of the Barrens as SINless couldn't get Downtown.).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <01-25-12/0839:24>
I would like to see some kind of 6th world magic items, aka Artifacts Catalogue, listed with their history and powers, the same way important NPCs are in Street Legends. There must be thousands of it, and so far Ive heard about...Sextant, Map, IDN next two yet..., and Locust... Since rulec for creating such things are vague enought and there are only a few examples, IMO this should really help to get some Magic into day to day bussines.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Frankie the Fomori on <01-25-12/1120:30>
One thing that could interest a large fan base would be City or region who's who in the shadows: it would be a break away from the street legends series, providing a couple johnsons, fixers, random assortment of general contacts (street doc, beat cops, etc) and some local runners and maybe a shadow group ( like the wrecking crew worked out of Seattle before they became bug food).

SR could use the Bio section to add some local fluff that would interest GM's and the players would have a better understanding if what they get from buying contacts at PC creation.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <01-25-12/1529:59>
One thing that could interest a large fan base would be City or region who's who in the shadows: it would be a break away from the street legends series, providing a couple johnsons, fixers, random assortment of general contacts (street doc, beat cops, etc) and some local runners and maybe a shadow group ( like the wrecking crew worked out of Seattle before they became bug food).

SR could use the Bio section to add some local fluff that would interest GM's and the players would have a better understanding if what they get from buying contacts at PC creation.
That has the feel of a great PDF series of books. 10-20 pages, with characters and a couple Shadowrun locations.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-25-12/1608:20>
I can't see that having much more appeal than a normal setting book, which don't sell well outside of Seattle.

However, as an e-book I could see that working.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-25-12/1616:30>
More ebooks about some of the different cities would be awesome. I really liked the Rotten Apple one about Manhattan. Other cities I'd love to have an actual writeup about include Boise (divided city like Denver), Atlanta (capitol of the CAS), Metropole, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Geneva, etc. Other than London, I don't think anywhere in Europe has gotten more than a passing mention in 4e. Closest would be Geneva, which has a little extra info about it in Corporate Intrigue, in addition to the blurb in Feral Cities.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Fergurg on <01-25-12/1706:11>
Am I the only person that liked the setting books (Runner Havens, Corporate Enclaves, Feral Cities) and wants to see another one?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-25-12/1718:50>
Oh, I loved them, for the 1-2 cities featured in each one. The blurbs on the other cities in the books weren't that useful, however. The Rotten Apple PDF on Manhattan was only 32 pages, and PDF only, but it had a lot of detail, including things like local gangs, etc. I'd love to see more of that.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-25-12/1734:22>
More ebooks about some of the different cities would be awesome. I really liked the Rotten Apple one about Manhattan. Other cities I'd love to have an actual writeup about include Boise (divided city like Denver), Atlanta (capitol of the CAS), Metropole, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Geneva, etc. Other than London, I don't think anywhere in Europe has gotten more than a passing mention in 4e. Closest would be Geneva, which has a little extra info about it in Corporate Intrigue, in addition to the blurb in Feral Cities.
The following European locations have writeups in SR4: Constantinople (half credit), Hamburg, Geneva, Sarajevo, GeMiTo, Europort, Poland, Marienbad, Brussels, London, and then London again in Conspiracy Theories.

If anything, Europe has been overexposed. Asia has had seven and a half writeups. Africa has five (Nairobi twice). North America (excepting Seattle 2072) has eight. South America has three, two of those are Bogota. Australia hasn't been touched since Target: Awakened Lands.

Am I the only person that liked the setting books (Runner Havens, Corporate Enclaves, Feral Cities) and wants to see another one?
Probably not, but there's a reason why there aren't a ton of location books and it took nearly twenty years to get Shadows of Asia.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <01-25-12/1815:49>
Target: Wild East
aka
Shadows of Kremlin
aka
NewAnarchistGuideToMoscow

 :o

not to mention that whole Ukraine and Belarus is digged up by AF/SK/??? moles
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-25-12/1818:48>
I'm talking about the in depth writeup like what was given to Hong Kong and Seattle in Runner Havens, Chicago and Lagos in Feral Cities, Neo-Tokyo and Los Angeles in Corporate Enclaves, Manhattan in Rotten Apple, Denver in Spy Games, Bogota in WAR!, and London and DeeCee in Conspiracy Theories. For an example, the 'writeup' on Geneva in Feral Cities is only 2.5 pages, with most of it devoted to discussing how the Matrix has gone to hell in a handbasket there, and little or anything about the city itself. I'm talking writeups with actual meat on the bones.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Carmody on <01-26-12/0702:46>
More ebooks about some of the different cities would be awesome. I really liked the Rotten Apple one about Manhattan. Other cities I'd love to have an actual writeup about include Boise (divided city like Denver), Atlanta (capitol of the CAS), Metropole, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Geneva, etc. Other than London, I don't think anywhere in Europe has gotten more than a passing mention in 4e. Closest would be Geneva, which has a little extra info about it in Corporate Intrigue, in addition to the blurb in Feral Cities.

There have been some canon add-ons about french cities in french releases of Runner Havens (Marseille), Corporate Enclaves (Lille) and Feral Cities (Clermont-Ferrand) but surprisingly nothing about Paris.
They are available in pdf but of course you need to understand french...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <01-26-12/0820:53>
Maybe CanRay can give us a hand with this....that Canadian seem to be kind of..Bipolar  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-26-12/1110:00>
Maybe CanRay can give us a hand with this....that Canadian seem to be kind of..Bipolar  ;D
Hand with what?

And, no, my issue is not being Bipolar.  Thanks for guessing, however.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <01-26-12/1115:24>
French/English conversion...

Bilingual would be better, true, well IDN if every Canadian is...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-26-12/1122:26>
I'm not bilingual, I'm unilingual-anglophone.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: All4BigGuns on <01-26-12/1247:27>
Am I the only person that liked the setting books (Runner Havens, Corporate Enclaves, Feral Cities) and wants to see another one?

Don't know about anyone else, but I find the ones you mention here kind of worthless. But I prefer books with a 50/50 or 60/40 split between game mechanics and pure story info (in that specific order). Anything more on the story info side just does not seem to be worth the money paid for game books nowadays. Now if they'd cost the seven or eight bucks a novel does, that'd be a different story since that's basically what they were.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-26-12/1257:30>
I'm on the opposite side from you on this one, Guns. Gear is sweet, and I love it to death, but the things I really need are world-building and adventures. The worldbuilding aspect is one thing I love about Shadowrun, especially when compared to D&D books.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Critias on <01-26-12/1300:00>
And the preceding two posts are exactly why we've got the current format going on -- Spy Games and Conspiracy Theories, for instance -- that tries to give some people their beloved chocolate (rules and crunch and stats), and others their delicious peanut butter (setting/location info and Jackpointer chatter).

Some people want nothing but one or the other, and sure enough some folks hate this mixed format...but we're trying to give everyone a little of what they want, to keep both sides happy without having to churn out twice as many books.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: All4BigGuns on <01-26-12/1301:15>
We'll just have to agree to disagree then, though 50/50 and 60/40 aren't bad ratios either.  I just want each book I get my hands on to have a decent number of new options for my characters or I feel like my money's been wasted.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: BSOD on <01-27-12/1814:10>
A Gang Handbook, for running games based around a gang controlling territory and operations. This was done in Shadowrun Companion 3rd ed. However an update an expansion could lead to some fantastic games.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-27-12/2032:23>
A Gang Handbook, for running games based around a gang controlling territory and operations. This was done in Shadowrun Companion 3rd ed. However an update an expansion could lead to some fantastic games.
Shadowrun:  Gang Wars Board Game???
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <01-27-12/2105:39>
SR4 version of DMZ board game!!!!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <01-27-12/2140:59>
Hint:  Even more lethal than the regular game.

And trolls block LOS.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Critias on <01-27-12/2145:49>
I'd rather see Combat Biking or Urban Brawl, myself.  Heck, even Desert Wars.  But, yeah.  There's a lot of potential for a lot of very different, very cool, boardgames in Shadowrun canon.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-27-12/2153:57>
I'd rather those as video games, but we've seen what happens when we wish for that kind of thing.   :'(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <01-28-12/0108:34>
I can see being able to run both Combat Biking and Urban Brawl via the DMZ rules... in fact, in the first published run where you have Urban Brawl, they give stats for using the DMZ rules.

Critias, remind me, since you wrote the recent Con module -- in Urban Brawl, the 'movement' clock stops if you're in a firefight, right?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Critias on <01-28-12/0200:29>
Not sure what you mean by "movement" clock.  But, no, clocks don't stop 'cause of firefights (or the clocks'd hardly ever go ;)).  There's a thirty second timer for each team to move their ball out of your goal block when play starts, and there's a five minute "play" clock -- but the latter is that each play lasts five minutes OR a goal, a dead ball (a ball is dead if it's on the ground for more than 10 seconds, or if an offensive member of the other team gets ahold of it), or a wipeout. 

Nothing about just "blam blam, woah, stop the clock!"
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <01-28-12/0247:58>
IIRC, there's a rule about 'insufficient offense' -- if it stays in a block for longer than 30 or 60 seconds or something, a penalty is called, the entire team but the ball-carrier has to freeze in place until the ball leaves the block ... but time involved in a firefight does not count towards that time.  Well, it's out there -- in Shadowbeat, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-28-12/2000:47>
Am I the only person that liked the setting books (Runner Havens, Corporate Enclaves, Feral Cities) and wants to see another one?
Probably not, but there's a reason why there aren't a ton of location books and it took nearly twenty years to get Shadows of Asia.

Could you elaborate on this at all?

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-28-12/2015:15>
Setting books don't sell. The exceptions are Aztlan and anything about Seattle.

There is also the matter of knowledge and utility. There haven't been a lot of subject matter experts on large swaths of the world. Target: Awakened Lands, aka Target: Australia was written when there were some Aussies in the pool. Shadows of Europe was a fan project that eventually became a thing and was a significant shift in the entire game as a result. Shadows of Asia, however, was not written by a lot of people with deep familiarity with Asia. Now, familiarity in an alternate future setting is a vague thing. Look at Hong Kong in Runner Havens, which I still think is the best location writeup ever done for Shadowrun. Jason Levine is an IRAB (I Read A Book) when it comes to Hong Kong, but he still killed the fuck out of that chapter. North America is something else, similar to Shadows of Europe, but even then you get things like the wildly different material about, say, Chicago between the coverage in Target: UCAS and Feral Cities. Another example is DeeCee. The only real writeup on the sprawl was from 1990, and I had to incorporate that, everything that happened there in the last twenty years (which is actually a lot), my own knowledge of D.C., and the fact that it's a wildly different alternate future from reality. And then there are just areas where I wouldn't trust a whole lot of people with writing about them. Africa is far and away number one on that list.

There is also the matter of utility. One of the reason location books don't sell is because gaming groups tend to keep their games focused in one particular area that they are familiar with, and far and away the one setting everyone who plays Shadowrun knows about is Seattle. If they don't use Seattle, they may use one closer to home, and the amount and usefulness of information tends to be pretty sparse outside of Seattle because it is ten-fifteen years or more between updates to locations in a constantly changing setting. So most people just tend to make up their own material.

The various formats that Catalyst has been using at least has the benefit of putting subject matter books into some measure of perspective by focusing on areas where those subjects are of significance. That's why a lot of tradecraft material in Spy Games and conspiracies in Conspiracy Theories are so present in the material covering Denver, London, and DeeCee. The smaller writeups reflect the fact that if someone uses them, chances are they are going to be temporary, so let's make sure you know who to work for and who to avoid when you're otherwise doing the same thing as in Seattle, but with different accents.

As far as advancing storylines and metaplot goes, it's easier to do in subject matter books and those that focus on global presences like the megacorps and transglobal organized crime. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-28-12/2354:26>
Wow, thanks James...far more info that I was expecting. ;)

While I understand the arguments, I guess I'm in the minority of those liking setting books...for me, they help fill out the setting/world...one of the things I really like about SR vs other games/settings.

AJC 
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <01-29-12/0102:22>
Pretty much. There is a vocal minority, and they're on the message boards. You guys reads damn near everything, and wants to know more. But unlike me, there are just a lot more people who want toys and crunch (I am a "toolbox" guy, if you recall DeNiro's line from Ronin). At least crunch needs subject-matter context. Also, everyone in a group is more likely to have their own copy of Arsenal, Augmentation, and a couple will have Street Magic or Unwired. Location books tend to be bought by GMs, so right there you're already targeting a 20% (if you're lucky) segment of the market. Shadowrun sells well compared to everything that isn't WoD or D&D, but not that well.

That's the funny thing. There are a lot of Shadowrun products, and a lot in development at any given time, and a lot of books everyone wants to write or see. There were 26 products released last year alone. So it's almost a matter of "wait, and it'll come out eventually." After all, my first proposal submission was for DeeCee—in 2007. I was emailing Mike Mulvihill about a war/military book in 1998, and my material in Spy Games was based on a product idea from 2004.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-29-12/0141:03>
I want world peace and an Uncle Dunkie Doll.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <01-29-12/0202:55>
I want world peace and an Uncle Dunkie Doll.

I could go for a Plushy Dunkie to go next to my Plushy Cthulu, yeah.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-29-12/0833:29>
Damnit! Now I want a plush Dunkelzhan doll too!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <01-29-12/1025:55>
So I guess bringing up Tickle-Me-Dunkie is a bad idea, then?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-29-12/1046:41>
So I guess bringing up Tickle-Me-Dunkie is a bad idea, then?
I'd rather the Elect-Me-Dunkie.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <01-29-12/1104:46>
Thanks again James...guess we'll just have to wait and see what else is coming down the pipeline.  ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <01-29-12/1131:35>
add one more for the "elect-me-dunkie" list
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <01-29-12/1205:15>
Bull, you wanna fill them in on Tickle-Me-Dunkie's backstory...? You tell this so much better than I do.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <01-29-12/1227:25>
All kidding aside, I would drop some scratch to snatch up a Dunkie Plushie.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-29-12/1229:59>
Yeah, I'd make it and a large sized Cthulhu doll a special order at my FLGS.  ;D

Unless it's, ugh, a Con-Only item.   :'(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Bull on <01-29-12/1346:05>
Tickle-Me-Dunkie was THE Hot item for Christmas 2055.  It was impossible to find for the holiday season, and a large number of shadowruns were organized to steal truckloads of them for the black market.

Several years later after his death, Dunkie, the Interactive Dragon toy became another huge smash hit toy.

(It was a running gag on the SRN Mailing List for years, after Tickle Me Elmo and then the Furbies caused such an uproar.)

Here's a short piece of fiction I did up for the second one:

+++++ Load file dunkycomm.fsa

"Tales from the Shadows will be back after these messages..."

[Snappy music and a happy blue cartoon dragon appear on screen. The dragon dances around the screen happily as a deep, clear voice speaks.]

"Dunkelzahn was a lovable, wonderful, magical dragon who changed so many lives and made the world a better place for everyone! While it's sad that now deceased, Dunkelzahn and his spirit live on!"

[Cartoon dissolves to a picture of a 3 year old ork holding a stuffed blue dragon.]

"Now, you can bring the magic home to your children this holiday season with Dunky, the Interactive Dragon! Using state of the art technology, Dunky sings, laughs and responds to your child, teaching them the message of love, hope, and peace that our beloved former president brought to everyone."

"Get your Dunky at all fine Toy Stores, Department Stores, Magic Shops, and Grocery Stores everywhere!"

[Closing happy song with the cartoon Dunkelzahn flyinga round, then a final still shot of a smiling 4 year old elf girl hugging her Dunky doll]

[Fade to black]

+++++ End dunkycomm.fsa

>>>>>[Anyone else feel like vomiting after seeing this piece of trash?]<<<<<
-- Who Me?

>>>>>[Yeah, but all I know is I'm putting a team together to hit the local toy store the night these fraggers come in. My kids have been on my case for months to find one. ANyone else want in? Payment is all the Dunky's you can carry.]<<<<<
-- Bull

>>>>>[Hell that's payment enough, Those things are worth a mint.]<<<<<
-- Mom on the Run

>>>>>[But they're so cute! My kids just adore the 4 I bought!]<<<<<
-- Mall Lemming

>>>>>[Bah. Biggest piece of propganda drek I've ever seen. Who the hell came up with this crap, anyways?]<<<<<
-- Sinnical

>>>>>[Apparently someone who slipped a licensing agreement past the Dunkelzahn Foundation without getting it checked out thoroughly. I wouldn't want to be that toy maker when Nadia Davier catches up with them.]<<<<<
-- LaBlue

>>>>>[Ya know, I woulda thought they'd have learned their lesson after that "Tickle-Me-Dunky" thing a couple years ago.]<<<<<
-- Justin Case

>>>>>[Hell, I'd have thought I'D have learned after that Tickle Me Dunky thing a couple years ago.]<<<<<
-- Bull
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <01-29-12/1617:28>
You realize this just became THE hot item for Christmas 2012 amongst Shadowrunner Fanbois/grrls, right?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-29-12/1633:55>
CATALYST MUST MAKE THIS NOW!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <01-30-12/0229:00>
CATALYST MUST MAKE THIS NOW!

Agreed!

I'd love even more if they made a matched set of all the big names in the Great Dragon world. Dunkie and Lofwyr are at the top of my list, though.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-30-12/0315:15>
I'd add Hestaby and the Sea Dragon to that list, too. And Ghostwalker, of course.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Black on <01-30-12/0424:13>
Ok, I'm down with this.  Where do I put my pre-order in? 
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Jake on <01-30-12/1930:40>
I'd add Hestaby and the Sea Dragon to that list, too. And Ghostwalker, of course.

I personally would like a Lofwyr plush toy but somehow, I don't see him approving...

- J.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <01-30-12/1953:18>
lucky for us , lofwyr and all the rest haven't actually woken up yet to complain about the misappropriation of their images.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Black on <01-30-12/2037:07>
lucky for us , lofwyr and all the rest haven't actually woken up yet to complain about the misappropriation of their images.

Which means we need to act now before they do wake up! 

Don't worry, they would never be so bitter to retroactively seek vegence for events that occured before they woke...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <01-30-12/2041:03>
oh good, that's a relief.

* starts planning hideout for IF the dragons wake*
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <01-30-12/2300:30>
Unless we added Sirrurg to the list.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: redwolf on <01-31-12/0638:05>
or hlamies or what ever way you spell his name( alamis,alhmish) you know who i mean
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <02-01-12/0931:08>
Wolf, that'd be Alamais.

And I don't know if its been mentioned before, but a new Threats book would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <02-01-12/1047:53>
Most wanted

The same format as, i.e. 10 Jackpointers. soéme of them may be runners, some of them maybe no. Well Ive seen Archangelsk Bounty Board lately and it looks quite empty...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <03-15-12/0647:57>
2 things:

1) Cost and availability of metahuman biodrones
2) More anthroform drones, preferably somewhere in between the useless drek like the Manservant and the outrageously expensive like the Otomo. Leaving out the cyborg adaptation might help drop the price to reasonable levels.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-15-12/0731:07>
Maybe again ill ask for: Shadow of Moscow...maybe with some deeper insight into EVO corporation politics, since this was also one of those...almost frendly ones...like Horizon
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <03-15-12/0840:10>
2) More anthroform drones, preferably somewhere in between the useless drek like the Manservant and the outrageously expensive like the Otomo. Leaving out the cyborg adaptation might help drop the price to reasonable levels.

Oh agreed. SO agreed.

Maybe one specialized for Metasapient AIs instead of Cyborgs?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <03-15-12/0856:08>
I do want to remind you all that the last Shadows of book was published in 2005, and jokes about War! aside the last setting-exclusive book was Feral Cities.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-15-12/0905:09>
And that was truly awesome. Love that book.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <03-15-12/1617:20>
That makes one of us.


I've gone on the record in the past about what I think of Africa. And I consulted NAGNA and Bug City more for my Chicago adventure in AU than I did Feral Cities, and ... Yeah. That's all I can or will say about that.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <03-15-12/1636:22>
Be praised. Whole Lagos was happy and Area boys celebrated that day
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: chinlamp on <04-11-12/2235:49>
I personally want to see a bunch of new books.  In no particular order:

1. Setting books.  Pretty much anywhere OTHER than North America.  I know the stereotype is that all Americans think that America is the entire world, but a lot of SR4 seems to be trying to prove that true  :P

2. GM books.  There are a lot of books that players use, but hardly any JUST for GM's.  Would it really be so hard to give us a book of spirits, or a book or corp-only tech?  Heck, just give us a book with the guidelines Catalyst uses to make the things that get printed in other books so we have a way to make our own, and a baseline to make new stuff.

3. An adventure line based on something OTHER than the current main threats (AAA corps, Dragons, Horrors, etc.), possibly done adventure hook style ala Ghost Cartels.  Examples off the top of my head include using the book to flesh out some of the lesser known AA corps, working for DocWagon, being double agents in the shadows for law enforcement, etc.  You could use this to make adventure hooks while also answering calls to answer questions and fill in details about a host of things in the Shadowrun universe.

4. A book dealing with Spirits.  Just spirits.  No magic or other things like in Street Magic, just have Man of Many Names do a 'thread' all about spirits and have other magically inclined users chime in where needed.  This could also tie in with 2, as you could include a lot of GM tools here.

5. A new vehicles book, hell, an Arsenal 2 would be even more helpful.  I know that there's only so much you can do, but there really needs to be a larger selection of weapons and vehicles on the market.  I'd especially like to see more watercraft, aircraft and space craft, as those seem to be the most lacking imo.

That's all I've got in my head, and that was with only a couple minutes thought.  I know it is probably a lot harder to execute these things than it is to think them up, but if any of these hadn't been brought up before, they're there now.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <04-11-12/2344:07>
A book on spirits would be nice to have. A combination of consolidated rules and maybe profiles on legendary spirits and their agendas.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <04-12-12/0023:11>
i would love to have "GM Guide" style book, all the rules with only a tiny bit of fluff. anything that is related but in other books (variations of an item mentioned in one book, but all the stats are in another) all together in one section. compile all of the rules on each topic together and iron out any wrinkles, complications, or contradictions. and include the exhaustive list of where the hell can you find this info in the original books (possibly showing where it was introduced in earlier generations too).

that and i still want an updated/upgraded DMZ game.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-13-12/0935:53>
I would also like to add a vote for a "GM Book".  I really like what was done with the Toolkit but think there is great opportunity to expand on that work.

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-13-12/1012:45>
I want a pony.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: FastJack on <04-13-12/1139:52>
I want a pony.
Per United Nations resolution #A2375-c; Canadians have not been allowed to own ponies, citing the case of MacKenzie vs. MacKenzie.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-13-12/1332:18>
I want more Harlequin. Fun things always happen when he's around.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <04-13-12/1437:08>
For certain values of "fun," yes....
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <04-13-12/1525:32>
When God wants to punish us, He answers our prayers.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-13-12/1552:59>
Well, it would be nice to find out if Deus is still around... I always thought it was a very sympathetic villain, once you understood the reasons why it did what it did.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-13-12/1556:35>
I want a pony.
Per United Nations resolution #A2375-c; Canadians have not been allowed to own ponies, citing the case of MacKenzie vs. MacKenzie.
You forgot the Roughriders Vs. Roughriders provision.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-15-12/0935:10>
I want a pony.

Huh. I thought you'd rather have had a game to play in. Tsk. Too late now!

(http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/8f05d9a6ba704d9932cf9dafc7a6bf3b/88047%20-%20artist%3Afoxinshadow%20cyberpunk%20vinyl_scratch.png)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-15-12/0948:55>
 :o Wrong on sooooo many levels...  ;)

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-15-12/1007:23>
I want a pony.
Huh. I thought you'd rather have had a game to play in. Tsk. Too late now!
I'm cursed.  I might as well just get used to it.   :'(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <04-15-12/1014:56>
Must not let my daughter see that; she'll want the fig....
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-16-12/0004:42>
Don't think I won't bring the pony, Patrick old bean.

I have a whole stable over here.

Rarity is best pony
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Starglyte on <04-18-12/2219:53>
As odd as it sounds, I would love to see a e-book with updated stats for all the archetypes from the previous editions core and supplement books.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <04-18-12/2253:31>
hmm,, or maybe have a pdf of various "levels" of archetypes, truly new to the shadows all the way to "should have retired a dozen runs back, for health reasons"
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-18-12/2339:53>
Must not let my daughter see that; she'll want the fig....
Oh, and if we showed her these?

(http://www.deviantart.com/download/75614249/My_Little_Binky_by_NocturnalEquine.jpg)
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/281389736/my_little_binky_by_acutecat-d4nj5pk.jpg)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-19-12/0745:09>
"My Little Pony" meets "Soul Eater"...awesome!!  ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <04-19-12/0824:21>
"My Little Pony" meets "Soul Eater"...awesome!!  ;D

AJC

Dude, it's Binky! You know, like BINKY. The Pale Horse. The bearer of the Ultimate Reality. The Steed of Death.

Please tell me you've read your Discworld.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <04-19-12/1228:47>
Yeah, she'd probably want that, too. Which is why I never read forums with Bronies in them while she's around.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-19-12/1231:00>
Yeah, she'd probably want that, too. Which is why I never read forums with Bronies in them while she's around.
Bronie my hoop.  That's a Discworld reference!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-19-12/1319:04>
"My Little Pony" meets "Soul Eater"...awesome!!  ;D

AJC

I'll just ... leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH9QRWckeUU
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-19-12/1401:58>

Dude, it's Binky! You know, like BINKY. The Pale Horse. The bearer of the Ultimate Reality. The Steed of Death.

Please tell me you've read your Discworld.

Sorry, no... :(

Just finished watching the Soul Eater anime series with my girls...amazing how close some of the imagery seems to be.

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-19-12/1409:14>
Dude, it's Binky! You know, like BINKY. The Pale Horse. The bearer of the Ultimate Reality. The Steed of Death.

Please tell me you've read your Discworld.
Sorry, no... :(

Just finished watching the Soul Eater anime series with my girls...amazing how close some of the imagery seems to be.

AJC
Well, Death's Granddaughter (From his adopted daughter) got a "My Little Binky" for one of her birthdays.

Susan "Death" is one of the people of the Discworld that you just do not mess with.  And we're talking a flat planet on the back of four elephants who stand on a giant turtle that is just FILLED with bad ass characters!

Death takes picking a fight and threatening his family personally.  And it takes a lot to actually legitimately be a threat to Susan!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <04-19-12/1535:50>
Just finished watching the Soul Eater anime series with my girls...amazing how close some of the imagery seems to be.

Huh... odd.

Just checked, though, and Soul Music (the book that makes the My Little Binky reference) was published way back in '94 while Soul Eater started in '03, so it's probably a coincidence
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <04-19-12/1633:26>
Yeah, she'd probably want that, too. Which is why I never read forums with Bronies in them while she's around.
Bronie my hoop.  That's a Discworld reference!
Is it a pony? Does it have a tattoo on its ass? I don't care where the reference comes from.... ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-19-12/1727:56>
Is it a pony? Does it have a tattoo on its ass? I don't care where the reference comes from.... ;)

Point of order, Mr Goodman: Cutie Marks are derived from a pony's innate magical nature, illustrating once they've found their special talent, what that talent will be. While those who do not find their talent remain 'Blank Flanks', possibly for their entire lives, most manage it when still colts or fillies. A tatoo is a far more primitive technology and not magical in the least!

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/096/6/c/twilight_sparkle_wall_by_evilarticfox-d3dd6dv.jpg

(Need a proper 'the more you know' pony. Hmm...)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-19-12/1749:30>
The fact that you know all that disturbs me, Wakshaani.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <04-19-12/1751:09>
Brontë's probably told me this on more than one occasion. It's mostly blown by me. I'm a horrible father sometimes....
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <04-19-12/1838:07>
Brontë's probably told me this on more than one occasion. It's mostly blown by me. I'm a horrible father sometimes....

... and yet, just by that post, one of the coolest ever.  Literary props to the man.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-19-12/2011:06>
The fact that you know all that disturbs me, Wakshaani.

Tis but the tiniest fraction of what madness lurks in this cranium, my dear Mirikon.

You should see me roll people in SmurfOffs. :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-19-12/2356:44>
Is it a pony? Does it have a tattoo on its ass? I don't care where the reference comes from.... ;)
It comes from Sir Terry Pratchett.  Thus it is made of awesome.

This is the man who got knighted, and despite being physically handicapped, went out and mined his own iron ore to have his own damned sword made!  And got a bit of Thunderbolt Iron for the mix as well!

And is now slightly upset that he can't carry the damned thing due to the UK's Knife Laws.   :-\

Respect the reference in this case!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-20-12/0719:08>
To that, CanRay, I can only say, "Meh." I've tried to read Pratchet's work a couple times, and it just didn't interest me.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-20-12/0719:45>
Huh... odd.

Just checked, though, and Soul Music (the book that makes the My Little Binky reference) was published way back in '94 while Soul Eater started in '03, so it's probably a coincidence

I would think so - didn't mean to imply otherwise.

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-26-12/0704:45>
A Sperethiel-English/English-Sperethiel dictionary/phrasebook, including common names in Sperethiel.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: beowulf_of_wa on <04-26-12/0835:24>
i'd actually buy the language book, though i'm not sure if i want spere or orzet more.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <04-26-12/0908:45>
i'd actually buy the language book, though i'm not sure if i want spere or orzet more.

Anyone can buy or download Tolkiens dictionary and consider it Sperethiel. Well...I havent seen anything like Orzet anywhere...and god damn Id love to...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: raggedhalo on <04-26-12/0941:20>
It comes from Sir Terry Pratchett.  Thus it is made of awesome.

I once skipped school to go to a talk he was giving in our town.  At the end, when I was getting my copy of Reaper Man signed, I explained that my mum had asked for me to get the time off, but the school had said no.  His response?

"Sometimes school gets in the way of education."

I went off his work around Hogfather or Jingo and never got back into it, but I've always respected him for that line.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-26-12/1449:30>
"Sometimes school gets in the way of education."
Damn good line, and I'm living proof of that.

One time I had my copy of Moby Dick stolen from me (Literally stolen, it was a copy I bought.), and the school curriculum "My Darling, My Hamburger" thrust into my hands.  The teacher refused to believe that I had finished it the night before on the grounds that "Everyone else is still struggling on chapter two."
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-26-12/1530:32>
In their defense, Moby Dick is a terrible waste of your reading time. I drug mine back out last year for the first time in decades and, good lord, did it eat my brain. It's before we'd figured out how novels work, so is a weird comination travelogue and encyclopedia that, oh yeah, has something happen near the end. Nice sermons, and to a modern reader, Ishmael and Queequeg cuddling in bed together is FAR less innocent than I remembered, but, Noble Savage Template and all that.

Then again, I followed it up with Utopia, after which I longer for the pulse-pounding action of Moby.

(Going through the classics, as it's been decades, I find all kinds of things I missed before. Heck, I'd totally forgotten that there are several chapters in Robinson Curosoe after he leaves the island. And a set-up for a sequel!)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-26-12/1904:04>
And reading "My Darling, My Hamburger" is a piece of high culture and mental thought?

Not to mention having to do it again, and again, and again, and again, otherwise I'd fall asleep in class and FAIL?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-26-12/2015:14>
Sorry, CanRay, but that book has nothing on "Madame Bovary". Otherwise known as the book so fragging boring that the instructor didn't bother reading it, and went straight to Cliff's Notes.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <04-27-12/0143:39>
And reading "My Darling, My Hamburger" is a piece of high culture and mental thought?

Not to mention having to do it again, and again, and again, and again, otherwise I'd fall asleep in class and FAIL?

Heh. You should try some russians.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-27-12/0728:05>
Hey, since there's a Shadowrun 2050 book coming out, any chance we'll see conversions of classic modules? Harlequin, Harlequin's Back, Queen Euphoria, Mercurial... Be nice to have some classics reborn.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mason on <04-27-12/1223:57>
And reading "My Darling, My Hamburger" is a piece of high culture and mental thought?

Not to mention having to do it again, and again, and again, and again, otherwise I'd fall asleep in class and FAIL?

I want to slap your teacher. What, did your school not have advanced learning classes? You know, the 'smart people' classes?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-27-12/1356:32>
I want to slap your teacher. What, did your school not have advanced learning classes? You know, the 'smart people' classes?
No.

It was a Welfare School.  Right behind the track, rent-controlled, government-run housing.  "Why bother teaching them?  They're just going to be like their parents." I heard more than once.

I went to an advanced sciences High School, but it was little better.  Canada's own version of "No Kid Left Behind" sort of thing I think.  College I finally got challenged, but damage done...  :(
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-27-12/1618:36>
Hey, since there's a Shadowrun 2050 book coming out, any chance we'll see conversions of classic modules? Harlequin, Harlequin's Back, Queen Euphoria, Mercurial... Be nice to have some classics reborn.

This would be very nice... ;)

On a separate note, would very much like to see this book in full color.

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-27-12/1704:58>
I heard (From the voices in my head) that they were going to photocopy each version that was printed out by dot-matrix printer and sell them in three-ring binders like the original data pirates in the '80s!  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Black on <04-28-12/0042:47>
I heard (From the voices in my head) that they were going to photocopy each version that was printed out by dot-matrix printer and sell them in three-ring binders like the original data pirates in the '80s!  ;D

YEAH!!...um... wait a sec.. no... no thats a terrible idea....  thats an evil joke which play upon my blind need to buy and all Shadowrun products... The sad fact is, I would still buy it and love it... actually the binder idea would make it easy to remove the sheets as needed... hmmm...

I am still hoping for the hard cover, full colour style.  Something nice and solid and pretty and useful for knocking beligerent players out or at least blocking their knife thrusts... tricky, tricky players... 8)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-28-12/0829:58>
I heard (From the voices in my head) that they were going to photocopy each version that was printed out by dot-matrix printer and sell them in three-ring binders like the original data pirates in the '80s!  ;D

Where do you come up with this stuff... :)

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <04-28-12/1053:16>
While some of these kinds of things have been touched on in Conspiracy Theories and other books, a new Threats book would be awesome. Just so we know who some of the big bads out there are.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <04-28-12/1141:54>
I think that the bigbads are more scattered out in stuff, currently. Dragons in this book, corporate people in that book, and so on.

Still, a new Threats book always sets out some plots for people, and that's always keen.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-28-12/1301:56>
I heard (From the voices in my head) that they were going to photocopy each version that was printed out by dot-matrix printer and sell them in three-ring binders like the original data pirates in the '80s!  ;D
Where do you come up with this stuff... :)

AJC
I just told you.  The voices in my head.  ;D
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-28-12/1359:38>
Oh, and here's my wish list. (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/wishlist_public.php?public_id=40397&buying_for=r_a_c_%40hotmail.com)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-28-12/1617:34>
I heard (From the voices in my head) that they were going to photocopy each version that was printed out by dot-matrix printer and sell them in three-ring binders like the original data pirates in the '80s!  ;D
Where do you come up with this stuff... :)

AJC
I just told you.  The voices in my head.  ;D

Let me rephrase...where do they come up with it?  ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-28-12/1743:01>
Let me rephrase...where do they come up with it?  ;D

AJC
You'd have to ask them.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Angelone on <04-28-12/2257:34>
*points* "You on the left with the handlebar mustache where do you come up with this stuff?"
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <04-29-12/1208:55>
*Guy looks around confused*  "It's a walrus mustache.  So you can't be talking about me."
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: AJCarrington on <04-29-12/1410:58>
 ;D

OK, I give up...  ;)

AJC
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <04-30-12/0108:10>
Oh, and here's my wish list. (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/wishlist_public.php?public_id=40397&buying_for=r_a_c_%40hotmail.com)
It has Lock and Load on it.  Yay!!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Frankie the Fomori on <05-09-12/0049:21>
Was just thinking it would be cool to see somthing like a small PDF Street Legends supplemental detailing the Smoker’s Club from Runners Anatomy.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: loganthevi on <10-12-12/1108:42>
As much as I love Philly, I'd have to say it's probably not the most populous city in the UCAS. Seattle is probably #1, but Philly's definitely in the top 5, if not top #2.

Seattle is at, what, 3 million in 2072? That's five times the population of today, but understandable since much of the Northwest flocked there and then it became a boomtown.

The top five of today are, in order, NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Philly.

New York went through the quake and lost Manhattan. LA was California Free State but now makes up about half of the PPC population. Chicago flatlined. Houston's in the CAS. Philly's the only one that hasn't had a disaster.

(The next five, again in order, are Pheonix Arizona, San Antonio, San Deigo, Dallas, and San Jose. Indianapolis is the third largest USA city still in the UCAS.)

(Oh, Toronto crops up above Indy once you add in Canadian cities.)

I boosted Philly from the current 1.5 million to around 6 million, drawing on refugees from New York and, later, from Boston, but, Rotten Apple didn't exist at the time and that could change things on my end.

So, the top four in 2072, but NOT in order, are New York City (Which, minus Manhattan, you almost expect them to fracture into four normal-sized cities, but that goes against the Metroplex idea), Philly, Seattle, and Toronto. Indy may well be #5.

...

Not that this exactly means anything, but hey. :)
Actually, I have to differ with you on city ranking today. You're right if you use the incorporated area. For a number of reasons I think MSA ranking is better. That is, what's generally called the Greater Metropolitan (city of choice).

The top five  today in the US are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia. The next five are Houston, DC, Miami, Atlanta, Boston. Seattle is fifteenth on the list. If we add Canada, Toronto would fit between Miami and Atlanta while Montreal is almost exactly the size of Seattle.

Old topic I know, but I'm a stickler for details and a proud Torontonian. The Greater Toronto Area is larger than Miami, only 30000 less than Houston at 6050000 roughly, MSA is an American thing, so naturally we do not use it in Canada, Toronto is really only the city with the one mayor, going by that standard it would be twice the size of Dallas, nearly three times. The GTA includes a few closely tied cities that still have their own Mayors, like York Region and Mississauga. Lots of people in these cities work and visit Toronto regularly, the bus routes overlap and there are ways you can only pay a single bus fare to get across the entire area. York University is actually in Toronto (south of Steeles Avenue, the border) and the subway is getting extended up into York Region, Mississauga also has a University of Toronto Campus as does Scarborough (which is now incorporated into the city proper).
Also, with the NAN popping up I can see Toronto getting a large population boost, les Anglais from Quebec (which has happened before, when the Seperation movement was associated with terrorism and vandalism) and Anglos from Athabaskan, Algonquin and Salish. That puts Toronto as the second largest city in the UCAS probably, figure 10 million easy.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <10-12-12/1823:50>
So, the top four in 2072, but NOT in order, are New York City (Which, minus Manhattan, you almost expect them to fracture into four normal-sized cities, but that goes against the Metroplex idea)
The boroughs did fracture into separate counties back in 2029.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-12-12/2326:47>
Did they come back together, or is New York no longer a single city but five smaller ones?

I have a PDF to grab, don't I?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <10-13-12/0046:41>
As far as I know, they're a lot more than five cities still by the description in NAGNA.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-13-12/0123:52>
The Manhattan PDF talks about the rotten apple as if it's just a city unto itself, rather than one part of NYC.

Hrm. 6WA has the remaining four chunks standing as "New York City", and trying to be seen as an equal to the corporate entity of Manhattan. That's ... actually kind of neat.

Weird to find things buried you never thought to go reading about. :)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <10-13-12/1405:33>
Hmm. I guess they took another crack at the Quad Counties post-NAGNA.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: raggedhalo on <10-14-12/0313:47>
Was just thinking it would be cool to see somthing like a small PDF Street Legends supplemental detailing the Smoker’s Club from Runners Anatomy.

Check out Loose Alliances. Old info, but still...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Frankie the Fomori on <10-14-12/2320:50>
There is the general info about them in Loose Alliances but I was talking about a full write up of the members used in the Anatomy similar to the stat + write up of street Legends. So when a new player/vet reads Anatomy they would have there Stat write ups available to see Dice pool's, ATT levels and kind of see how a PC/NPC stat's respond in a Fiction format.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-15-12/0008:40>
More Legends PDFs in general would be awesome. Still plenty of Jackpointers and other important NPCs who haven't gotten the treatment. And there is a part of me that would just love to see Puck doing a writeup on someone like Dodger, or Frosty doing a writeup on Ehran the Scribe (possibly from Ehran's point of view, given their circumstances).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <10-15-12/1409:31>
Dirk's still around, hopefully.  And apparently Argent hasn't gone to the old 'runner's home yet...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-15-12/1426:48>
Dirk is around. He wrote a piece on Naheka, fittingly enough, for Clutch of Dragons.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-17-12/0136:49>
Oh, I'll just add something in here. Combat drones designed for melee and close quarters combat. Sure, the flying drone with the sniper rifle is nice, but especially in urban and jungle environments, having a drone capable of fighting in melee would be useful. Hell, Deus showed how effective melee drones could be with the Spiders and Medusas, as well as the bumblebee with its nanobot sting. I can't imagine that the tech has gone completely.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <10-17-12/1214:19>
Why would you need such a thing?  Just have a swarm of small drones that spray various concoctions/nanites and/or armed with a machine pistol loaded with S&S that wide burst everything in an area.  CQB taken care of.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <10-17-12/1233:26>
Oh, I'll just add something in here. Combat drones designed for melee and close quarters combat. Sure, the flying drone with the sniper rifle is nice, but especially in urban and jungle environments, having a drone capable of fighting in melee would be useful. Hell, Deus showed how effective melee drones could be with the Spiders and Medusas, as well as the bumblebee with its nanobot sting. I can't imagine that the tech has gone completely.

I really agree with you on this. It is possible to build something like that with Arsenal options IMO, but something official would be nice. Because not all of us like it old way. And because something like mechatronic scoripo (that FNV, Giant Radscorpio version I have on my mind) scares the shit out of players everytime
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-17-12/1450:42>
Can always take an Otomo and have it punch its way out. Real Steel!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-17-12/1854:31>
Why would you need such a thing?  Just have a swarm of small drones that spray various concoctions/nanites and/or armed with a machine pistol loaded with S&S that wide burst everything in an area.  CQB taken care of.
The Medusas were kangaroo cat drones that were fast, armored, capable of jumping, had razor sharp claws, tails that could let them hang from things, and the ability to deal taser strikes by touching you. And then Deus built a powered-up version of them. If you can't see how that would be useful in a close-quarters situation, you're not thinking clearly, or you've become over-reliant on firearms. Melee weapons never run out of ammo, and they are quiet. In buildings or the jungle, they make for an excellent choice for stealth operations.

Can always take an Otomo and have it punch its way out. Real Steel!
Yes, but it would be nice to have ones that don't cost ungodly amounts of nuyen. All the combat-capable anthromorphic or melee-capable drones currently are cyborg suits or milspec, with the exception of the TAN-DEM from MilSpecTech 2, which still isn't much good in melee.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <10-18-12/0038:09>
Can always take an Otomo and have it punch its way out. Real Steel!
Yes, but it would be nice to have ones that don't cost ungodly amounts of nuyen. All the combat-capable anthromorphic or melee-capable drones currently are cyborg suits or milspec, with the exception of the TAN-DEM from MilSpecTech 2, which still isn't much good in melee.

Well, I was briefly thinking of writing up rules where you could make a Drone out of a full set of Cyberlimbs, plus Cybereyes, Cyberears, and an 'implanted' commlink to run a Pilot program (or host a resident AI).

It still costs a bit over 100K for the basic 4-limbs + Skull + Torso + Eyes + Ears package. Expensive, but still only 2/3rds the price of an Otomo, and you get way only having to take Restricted Gear once, for the Cyberskull. A nice GM might even let you take it once and let you get up to Availability 20 for everything on the Drone.

You also get way more Capacity to work with... especially since a Drone doesn't really have a Natural Maximum, so you don't have to waste Capacity on Enhancements.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <10-18-12/1147:00>

The Medusas were kangaroo cat drones that were fast, armored, capable of jumping, had razor sharp claws, tails that could let them hang from things, and the ability to deal taser strikes by touching you. And then Deus built a powered-up version of them. If you can't see how that would be useful in a close-quarters situation, you're not thinking clearly, or you've become over-reliant on firearms. Melee weapons never run out of ammo, and they are quiet. In buildings or the jungle, they make for an excellent choice for stealth operations.

If you are worrying about running out of ammo, then you are not doing a shadowrun, you are occupying the building.

People are too impressed by melee combat ability.  Sure, it's useful when you run into the guy you didn't see just around the corner, but if you have a few dozen cyber/drone wasps in a cloud around your team, then you know where everything and everyone is in the immediate area.

Short answer, if something needs to hurt someone buy running up to them and touching them, that is tons of time wasted not pulling a trigger.  Better to be hard to hit than to be hit at all.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-18-12/1520:55>
You should always worry about running out of ammo. Always. That's why the second line of that street proverb is "Conserve ammo." Even if you have five spare clips for your Predator, and five more for your Assault rifle, you still should worry about running out of ammo. Why? Because sometimes things get out of control. And sometimes you need to do things like lay down suppressive fire, which eats ammo like mad. Sure, you shouldn't go through more than a clip or two in a single fight, but who says there's going to be only one fight? Moreover, once the gunfire starts, it tends to build from there.

I'm not saying that guns are useless, but in stealth and close-quarters situations, melee is a damn good thing to have. It is even better when you're in the unlikely situation of "Oh crap, someone decided to go Romero on us!" Be prepared for situations like that, and you won't find yourself running empty, and wishing you had some melee skills to fall back on.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-18-12/2006:57>
I have to say, I always give respect for any character who "action heroes" hisway through guns. Shoot it until it runs out, toss it aside, grabone off a dead guy, use it for a scene, then when the scene's done, toss it somewhere off camera and leave.

Might not be smart, but it's *always* cool.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: TheBigD on <10-19-12/0654:57>
You should always worry about running out of ammo. Always. That's why the second line of that street proverb is "Conserve ammo." Even if you have five spare clips for your Predator, and five more for your Assault rifle, you still should worry about running out of ammo. Why? Because sometimes things get out of control. And sometimes you need to do things like lay down suppressive fire, which eats ammo like mad. Sure, you shouldn't go through more than a clip or two in a single fight, but who says there's going to be only one fight? Moreover, once the gunfire starts, it tends to build from there.

I'm not saying that guns are useless, but in stealth and close-quarters situations, melee is a damn good thing to have. It is even better when you're in the unlikely situation of "Oh crap, someone decided to go Romero on us!" Be prepared for situations like that, and you won't find yourself running empty, and wishing you had some melee skills to fall back on.

If the fight is really going to get out of hand, then there's already plenty of spare weaponry and ammo lying on the ground. :P
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <10-19-12/1239:17>
Ya, I think of the sargent from "We Were Soldiers:"

"If it gets to the point that I need to use a rifle, there'll be plenty of them lying around."
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-19-12/1254:04>
Assuming, of course, that whatever you're fighting is using guns that you can just pick up and go with. There are plenty of threats that don't. Like Drones, the Infected, and paracritters of all stripes. Be prepared, or be dead.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <10-20-12/1238:26>
You don't take the same gear to perform different runs.

And anyone who wants to melee a paracritter...well I would let them.  After all, I don't have to outrun the paracritter, I just have to outrun the guy feeding himself to the paracritter.  (Remember, we were talking about melee combat during a run.)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-20-12/2004:48>
Yes, and sometimes the place you need to be is on the other side of the door the paracritter is guarding. As I said, be prepared for all eventualities.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <10-21-12/0542:54>
I`d say "The Raid: Redemption" movie makes a good example of the situation where firefight quicklz deterirates to HtH combat
MOre to it...
I love the way Gun_Nut is representing combat situations. Avoiding any skills from Close combat group would save me a lot of karma for my next characters so I can have more usefull skills at hand. Thank you, you opened my eyes ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <10-21-12/0714:04>
I`d say "The Raid: Redemption" movie makes a good example of the situation where firefight quicklz deterirates to HtH combat
MOre to it...
I love the way Gun_Nut is representing combat situations. Avoiding any skills from Close combat group would save me a lot of karma for my next characters so I can have more usefull skills at hand. Thank you, you opened my eyes ;)

Take 2 ranks of Firefight, 2 ranks of Krav Maga, and Ambidextrious. That reduces the -3 Shooting in Melee penalty by 3, so you can take -0 for being in melee, get +2 for Point Blank, and alternate guns to make your ammo last longer and manage recoil better.

The other rank of Krav is so you can Ready Weapon as a free action.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-21-12/0751:38>
So... 25 BP to be able to shoot in melee without penalty, plus whatever maneuvers you take and the points for the gun skills, as opposed to 22 BP for Blades (Insert specialization here) 5(+2). Plus, melee targets impact armor, which most people tend to have less in than ballistic armor.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <10-21-12/1328:36>
And most ppl can't generate the kind of damage or penetration that firearms can.  Unless you're a souped up ork or a troll, melee output is going to be sub-optimal compared to a pair of machine pistol bursts to the face.

Don't get me wrong, I have a character that is loosely based upon Michael Weston from Burn Notice.  He has some decent HTH ability, but he sacrifices defense for pure offense (letting him double tap during a melee action).  His dice pools aren't higher than 10 or 11, but they don't need to be on the surprise round with a pair of swings coming in.  After that, it's gun time.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <10-21-12/1454:47>
...jammed...ammo malfunction...reload...wet powder...hacked smartgun...

things that never happen to your sword...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-21-12/1559:48>
And most ppl can't generate the kind of damage or penetration that firearms can.  Unless you're a souped up ork or a troll, melee output is going to be sub-optimal compared to a pair of machine pistol bursts to the face.
Or an adept. Or a mage. Or Infected. Or a sapient critter. Or rigging a drone built for melee combat, which brings me back to the point that started this whole business.

Also, when things turn to melee (and they will, at some point, if your DM has even two brain cells to rub together) you have more options for dealing with it. And yes, as Sichr says, you can't hack "axe to face", but you can hack a smartgun to engage the safety or harmlessly eject the ammo, or put the crosshairs two meters to the right of where they are.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <10-21-12/1644:25>
So... 25 BP to be able to shoot in melee without penalty, plus whatever maneuvers you take and the points for the gun skills, as opposed to 22 BP for Blades (Insert specialization here) 5(+2). Plus, melee targets impact armor, which most people tend to have less in than ballistic armor.

First off, Ambidextrous and the KM "Ready Weapon As Free Action" qualities are general utility options that would work just as well for a melee build, and I'd recommend them even for a melee build (Two Weapon Style is godlike against melee after-all), so shouldn't really be counted either way.

Now, if we're talking about just "break even" to not have a penalty to shoot at someone trying to melee you, it's only 5 BP. One "Reduce Melee Penalty by 1" quality causes the +2 Point Blank bonus and the newly-reduced -3 Shooting In Melee penalty to cancel each other out.

So, for 5BP you get no-penalty melee shooting, and 15BP (all three "Reduce Melee Penalty by 1" Advantages) gets you +2 dice for shooting in melee (+2 Point Blank, -0 Shooting In Melee).

And, as for hacking your smart-guns... that's why you use Skinlink. Always. On every gun, every time. Kinda like birth control.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <10-21-12/1652:55>
This has diverged very far from the thread topic, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: JustADude on <10-21-12/1658:28>
This has diverged very far from the thread topic, gentlemen.

Whoops... so it has.

Not sure if it's worth splitting off into its own thread for further discussion, or if this side-rail has run its course. I'll leave that up to FastJack.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Twitchy D on <10-21-12/1709:43>
This has diverged very far from the thread topic, gentlemen.

For what it's worth now, I wouldn't mind seeing some more info on Hawaii. Jamaica would be pretty fun too, cause that way I could start out a run with phrases like, "SOMEWHERE ON THE ISLAND OF NEO-JAMAICA!" or "RASTAFARIAN CYBERZOMBIE PIRATES ATTACK YOUR SHIP!".

Failing that, a legendary FastJack redtext moment...

Whoops... so it has.

Not sure if it's worth splitting off into its own thread for further discussion, or if this side-rail has run its course. I'll leave that up to FastJack.

...phooie, i never get to see anything like that...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <10-21-12/1738:41>
There's information in The Clutch of Dragons about Naheka and his activities in Hawai'i. There's also an entry for Hawai'i in Sixth World Almanac.

Jamaica is one of the more interesting nations in the Caribbean League, but I'm not sure what to do with it.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Mirikon on <10-21-12/1835:08>
Another wish list item: incorporating skimmer disk tech into personal vehicles, such as a hoverboard.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Black on <10-21-12/1841:47>
Another wish list item: incorporating skimmer disk tech into personal vehicles, such as a hoverboard.

Nice!
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Twitchy D on <10-21-12/1947:22>
There's information in The Clutch of Dragons about Naheka and his activities in Hawai'i. There's also an entry for Hawai'i in Sixth World Almanac.

Jamaica is one of the more interesting nations in the Caribbean League, but I'm not sure what to do with it.

Well, that's one of three down. Now for saving up the cash to buy both of those books...
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Crimsondude on <10-21-12/2126:43>
There's a paragraph or two in the Caribbean League profile in 6WA, too.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-22-12/0044:01>
The 6WA is a darn handy touchstone for a bunch of stuff.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Sichr on <10-22-12/1230:59>
There's a paragraph or two in the Caribbean League profile in 6WA, too.

IMO Cyberpirates, as one of my most favourite sourcebook, would help to understand the area. Still, as powerfull pirate clans had been in direct conflict with aztllan ever since, some upgrade would be nice...at least on La presidenta and Vibora relations ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Aelavel on <10-23-12/0556:16>
Maps & Minis would be nice, as well as maps FOR minis too ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <10-23-12/1529:13>
Maps & Minis would be nice, as well as maps FOR minis too ;)
I doubt this'll happen.  I found out once - back in the mid-90's - on a tour of Ral Partha just how much of an investment minis of any quality typically are.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-23-12/2131:27>
IIRC, Ironwind Metals has the rights to produce Shadowrun miniatures at this time. Given my druthers, I'd suggest teaming up with Reaper to make some 28mm scale Shadowrun minis, to fill in the gaps, rather than trying to produce them in house. Lets the professionals due their thing on eachend, right?
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Black on <10-23-12/2148:31>
IIRC, Ironwind Metals has the rights to produce Shadowrun miniatures at this time. Given my druthers, I'd suggest teaming up with Reaper to make some 28mm scale Shadowrun minis, to fill in the gaps, rather than trying to produce them in house. Lets the professionals due their thing on eachend, right?

Reaper are making some good mini's that can be used for Shadowrun.  Also, they are backing a Hell on Earth Miniture kickstarter, which should produce usable minis for shadowrun as well..
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <10-23-12/2207:11>
IMO, Topps should acquire HeroScape from Milton Bradley / Hasbro, continue with it (albeit needing to drop the D&D thing), and add Shadowrun figures to its lineup.  ;)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: carmachu on <10-29-12/1714:31>
  Also, they are backing a Hell on Earth Miniture kickstarter, which should produce usable minis for shadowrun as well..

Not so sure teh HoE minis will be good for shadowrun. Its post apocolptic with a western bent.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: CanRay on <10-29-12/1948:03>
  Also, they are backing a Hell on Earth Miniture kickstarter, which should produce usable minis for shadowrun as well..
Not so sure teh HoE minis will be good for shadowrun. Its post apocolptic with a western bent.
And Shadowrun started as Dystopian Cyberpunk with a Western Bent.

I already see a few stretch goal minis that'd work.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: WellsIDidIt on <10-30-12/0738:17>
Well, next year the Reaper Miniatures Bones Line will explode and they'll have some of their chronoscape line that will work well available for cheap.

I know the Nova Troopers will make good corporate thugs (and will be pretty cheap in plastic). Likewise, the whole IMEF line is being Bonesified, so there's a strike team/opposing runner team, and of course who doesn't need a chaingun wielding ape, they're like standard issue these days right?

Seriously though, here's some of what will be available in bones next year:
Security Guards (http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Nova)
Strike Team (http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/IMEF)
Cyber-Ape (http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/ape/sku-down/65069)
Steampunk Runner (http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Chronoscope/sku-down/50178)
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: Wakshaani on <10-30-12/0838:45>
Chronoscope... so good.

http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/50276_p_1_mj.jpg
http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/50264_p_1_mj.jpg
http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/IG_2007_1.jpg
http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/50228_w_1.jpg
http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/IG_1490_1.jpg

And so on and so forth.

Needs to get more cyber out there, and some deckers, and we're mostly good.

Finding metahumans, however, is a huge challenge.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: WellsIDidIt on <10-30-12/0901:04>
Effigy (http://www.effigyminis.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1) has some second skin wearing gals out. One of them is playing around with a wrist computer.

I agree, metas are the hardest to find without going to the old Ral Parth (Iron Wind Metals) sculpts, and I never cared for most of them (although I still drool over the assault trike).
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: WSN0W on <10-30-12/1214:07>
Infinity Mini game has some that would work too. Most can be more on the 'Sci-Fi' side but could work.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <10-31-12/1412:20>
There's plenty of room in SR for those.  Corp or military opponents come to mind.
Title: Re: Wish List.
Post by: carmachu on <11-07-12/1004:20>
Some of those drones look really nice in infinity.