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[6e] Accessing the matrix Cyberjack, Cyberdecks and Commlink

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« Reply #30 on: <09-05-19/1509:52> »
Wow.  That actually explains a lot.  Thank you.

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« Reply #31 on: <09-07-19/2234:38> »
see that's kind of the problem, it's more author by committee ... the primary reason the 6E CRB is so vague and contradictory about device limits is because I didn't include any in the first place, and I can only provide you insight on what I did write and what I intended for it to do.

Can we just have you to rewrite CRB6?

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« Reply #32 on: <10-20-19/0604:34> »
What about using a commlink's attributes for attack and sleaze? The book says this is a thing, but the way decks, jacks and links are written this seems wrong.

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« Reply #33 on: <10-20-19/0858:17> »
What about using a commlink's attributes for attack and sleaze? The book says this is a thing, but the way decks, jacks and links are written this seems wrong.

The intent is that you can only swap A and S back and forth, or only D and F back and forth.
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« Reply #34 on: <10-20-19/1054:34> »
What about using a commlink's attributes for attack and sleaze? The book says this is a thing, but the way decks, jacks and links are written this seems wrong.

The intent is that you can only swap A and S back and forth, or only D and F back and forth.
Which isn't clear from the rules in the book, but was clarified by the author of the Matrix chapter; he goes by Banshee here on the forums, and he's got lots of great insights posted in various threads.

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« Reply #35 on: <10-20-19/1211:28> »
The intent is that you can only swap A and S back and forth, or only D and F back and forth.
Not even if you have both a cyberjack and a cyberdeck?

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« Reply #36 on: <10-20-19/1228:50> »
The intent is that you can only swap A and S back and forth, or only D and F back and forth.
Not even if you have both a cyberjack and a cyberdeck?

Correct.
RPG mechanics exist to give structure and consistency to the game world, true, but at the end of the day, you’re fighting dragons with algebra and random number generators.

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« Reply #37 on: <10-20-19/1455:22> »
Actually, iirc, Banshee noted he INTENDED for it to be A<->S and D<->F but he lamented that CRB currently suggests it's free game between all four attributes. I do expect that to be either errataed or houseruled out, though, so I wouldn't depend on that for a build.
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« Reply #38 on: <10-20-19/1553:06> »
Actually, iirc, Banshee noted he INTENDED for it to be A<->S and D<->F but he lamented that CRB currently suggests it's free game between all four attributes. I do expect that to be either errataed or houseruled out, though, so I wouldn't depend on that for a build.
Note also that it’s definitely neither an error or an oversight in the rules. It’s not “suggested“ - the rules explicitly state that stats can be freely exchanged in more than one place. So it’s equally possible it won’t get officially changed, as that’s a definite decision someone made that presumably overruled Banshee’s take. 

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« Reply #39 on: <10-20-19/2044:24> »
Actually, iirc, Banshee noted he INTENDED for it to be A<->S and D<->F but he lamented that CRB currently suggests it's free game between all four attributes. I do expect that to be either errataed or houseruled out, though, so I wouldn't depend on that for a build.
Note also that it’s definitely neither an error or an oversight in the rules. It’s not “suggested“ - the rules explicitly state that stats can be freely exchanged in more than one place. So it’s equally possible it won’t get officially changed, as that’s a definite decision someone made that presumably overruled Banshee’s take. 

Not necessarily, I thought the intent of the wording might have been swap A for S and swap D for F, presumably others did too. What the book lacks is clarity, and that may be unintentional. Especially since, if it is free reign, i don't see why you 'need' a deck at all...

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« Reply #40 on: <10-20-19/2045:39> »
Actually, iirc, Banshee noted he INTENDED for it to be A<->S and D<->F but he lamented that CRB currently suggests it's free game between all four attributes. I do expect that to be either errataed or houseruled out, though, so I wouldn't depend on that for a build.
Note also that it’s definitely neither an error or an oversight in the rules. It’s not “suggested“ - the rules explicitly state that stats can be freely exchanged in more than one place. So it’s equally possible it won’t get officially changed, as that’s a definite decision someone made that presumably overruled Banshee’s take. 

Not necessarily, I thought the intent of the wording might have been swap A for S and swap D for F, presumably others did too. What the book lacks is clarity, and that may be unintentional. Especially since, if it is free reign, i don't see why you 'need' a deck at all...

Yeah. Just get two used Cyberjacks, and you'd be a decker on the really cheap.
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« Reply #41 on: <10-20-19/2107:24> »
Or a commlink and be a really crappy decker on the really really cheap

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« Reply #42 on: <10-21-19/0035:41> »
Yeah. Just get two used Cyberjacks, and you'd be a decker on the really cheap.
Or four commlinks for a 3/3/3/3 array.
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« Reply #43 on: <10-21-19/0052:33> »
And while the rules CAN be read that way, I don't think anyone actually believes the intent is that you should be able to hack by juggling 4 commlinks :D
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« Reply #44 on: <10-21-19/0104:32> »
Eh, if a player has good enough athletics to literally juggle them... :P
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