Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: Razhul on <04-26-13/1318:02>
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Hey there,
My hacker character is borderline paranoid about leaving his hideout and does not want to subject himself to any harm. If you feel like it, could you help me design a mobile "safe place" he could be operating out of? I understand that sometimes he will need to be on-site physically (despite using bug drones and repeaters usually when wireless is unavailable).
I was thinking about using a Horseman, armor it, put on sensors etc. However, I've never modified a vehicle or drone in SR so I am quite unsure about how to go about it and what are good modifications for what I'm looking for. For example, Chameleon coating looks useful to avoid detection but I am not sure you can turn it off and it might be weird on the street?
Plx help? /puppy eyes
BTW: I have 68k nuyen available but would obviously like to not spend it all.
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I would actually suggest keeping it simple:
Daihatsu-Caterpillar Horseman (12000) with Advanced Cargo Module (5000) (Avail 8)
Rigger Cocoon (1500, Avail 8, 6/Kit)
Walker Mode (3000, Avail 4, 10/shop)
This means it has arms and legs so it can go anywhere a troll can go. The reason not to slap on more mods is:
1) As is, it is perfectly legal. Putting on R or F stuff breaks that.
2) Rigger Cocoon is plenty of defense, and extra armor will attract more attention than it's worth.
http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=5197.msg82044#msg82044 is how you upgrade sensors if you want to.
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Daihatsu-Caterpillar Horseman (12000) with Advanced Cargo Module (5000) (Avail 8)
+ It has a smiley Availability :D
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I attached a picture of how I built it out and would love some feedback. It does not come with arms, as far as I can tell.
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Minor note: SR4a was updated to that Audio Enhancements cost 1 Capacity per Rating point. Chummer apparently won't implement that though. Similarly, Ultrasound costs 2 Capacity slots.
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Oh good to know.
The armor of the vehicle (12) gets overwritten by the 20 I put on, right? And then I can stack that with the 20 from the Rigger cocoon? Is that allowed?
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Hm. Bad news: The Horseman can't go beyond 8Armor. At a Body of 4, its maximum allowed Armor as drone is 2x its Body, so 8. It also only can have 4 modslots, while you're using more than that.
As fori the stacking of armor, I don't know if any sourcebook has rules on shooting through multiple barriers but stacking seems fair, though I'm not sure how its barrier-piercing ability would work, whether its DV would be decreased by the first barrier before it decides whether it pierces the second.
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Spoke with the GM and did some research: The Drone Horseman has body 6 so can have 12 armor. That armor rolls separately and if damage goes through, that then hits the Rigger Cocoon armor.
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Ah, I see. It has 6 Body when you buy one of its special versions. Seems like HeroLab doesn't really support it.
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I would actually recommend against armoring the Horseman.
1. It is Restricted. This means walking around in it is as legal as walking around brandishing an assault rifle (with a license, mind you). It's not subtle, and you can't take it to some places, which defeats much of the point.
2. Rigger Cocoon is already plenty of armor.
3. If you really do want armor - get Concealed Armor.
The way armor stacking for this works is slightly goofy yet still one of the least bizarre aspects of the barrier rules.
a. Check if the weapon's modified DV (including AP and net hits) exceeds the first barrier's armor. If no stop, if yes it pierces.
b. Check if the weapon's modified DV (including AP and net hits) exceeds the sum of the first and second barrier's armor. If no stop, if yes it pierces.
Repeat until you get to the target.
The target gets bonus armor equal to the sum of all the barriers that it passed through.
Also, the Advanced Cargo Module is what gives the Horseman arms.
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That sounds rather weird, Umaro. I'd expect a separate roll for each barrier that decreases the DV for the next to face.
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The Evil GMTM in me wants to throw EMP 'nades.
Is that wrong?
-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist
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That's why the player should pay extra for Hardening, which pretty much makes EMP worthless.
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That sounds rather weird, Umaro. I'd expect a separate roll for each barrier that decreases the DV for the next to face.
Think of it as quick-and-dirty Hard Armor.
Your handling a complex situation with a comparison that is going to do away with most rolls, and reduces the whole operation to a single roll if a roll is actually required.
I still have flashbacks to full-auto resolution in CP2020, when the target was behind cover and wearing several layers of armor. Hit location, damage roll, barrier degradation, armor degradation (recursive for each layer), rinse, n=n+1, repeat.
-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist
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That's why the player should pay extra for Hardening, which pretty much makes EMP worthless.
I don't have extra slots left! :(
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I would actually recommend against armoring the Horseman.
1. It is Restricted. This means walking around in it is as legal as walking around brandishing an assault rifle (with a license, mind you). It's not subtle, and you can't take it to some places, which defeats much of the point.
This will NOT be my public vehicle. I will only use it for dangerous runs when being seen (armor or not) is a BAD thing.
3. If you really do want armor - get Concealed Armor.
Takes 2 slots instead of the 1 and also only goes to 10 total instead of 12.
Also, the Advanced Cargo Module is what gives the Horseman arms.
Hm, did not know that. I wanted to bring my drone army with me, though, hence why I took the Drone module. Oh the choices! :S
Arms allow me to interact with keypads etc. (the only time I need to get out of my PMV otherwise).
The small landing platform would have allowed me to bring my drones (2 microtap, 2 repeater, 2 flyspys for recon, 1-2 dragonflies for anti-drone or sensor-kill task).
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You'd have to ask your GM about it, but Hardening exists both slotless and as costing slots. I imagine the second version is just for small things, where with a vehicle it wouldn't matter. Then again, I imagine it'd also cost more.
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If that's what you want to do with it, you want less PMV and more mecha. I recommend instead using the vehicle the Info Savant in the first link of my sig has:
Dodge Guardian (14000)
Morphing License Plate (1000)
Spoof chip (500)
Armor 16 (3200)
Chameleon Coating (8000)
Personal Armor 10 (5000)
Rigger Cocoon (1500)
Walker Mode (4000)
AVC 7.62 (2800), Firing Selection Change: Full Auto mod (300), High Velocity Mod (5600), Extended Clip (Drum) (1000), External Smartgun (400)
x61 Ex-explosive Battle Rifle Rounds (610)
x30 Stick-n-Shock Battle Rifle Rounds (240)
Camera 6 (600)
Vision Enhancement 3 (300)
Low-light Vision (100)
Smartlink (500)
Camera 6 (600)
Thermographic (100)
Vision Magnification (100)
Microphone 6 (300)
Spatial Recognizer (100)
Audio Enhancement 3 (300)
Laser Rangefinder (100)
Motion Sensor (50)
The Dodge Guardian is a good base for this, because it is 8 Body but still relatively small and has a built-in weapon mount despite being only Restricted. If you suck at Gunnery, you can substitute a cheaper gun.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you need Rigger Adaptation if you plan on controling a vehicle Cybernetically?
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You need it to jump in, yes. But you can drive it by remote without the rigger adaptation.