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Title: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: AJCarrington on <02-22-15/0855:35>
The third adventure in the Boardroom Backstabs series is now up on BattleCorps (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Battle+Manhattan&x=0&y=0) (PDF and dead tree) and DTRPG (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/144938/Shadowrun-Battle-of-Manhattan-Boardroom-Backstabs). The book is dual statted for 4A and 5e.

Nice little surprise to finish off the weekend ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Maverick on <02-23-15/0016:08>
So, am I missing it, or are the vehicles in the book which are stated to have both SR4a and SR5 stats only statted for SR4a?  Because the Handling, Acceleration, and Speed stats have changed significantly between editions, but the only ones listed in the book seem to apply to SR4a.

Also, can anyone tell me what the first two Boardroom Backstabs books were, and whether or not they were statted for both editions or just SR4a?
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-23-15/0100:04>
The other two Backstabs are for Sr4a only.

And you are right. It does seem that the vehicle stats are only for SR4 despite the legend says otherwise.

My personal confusion goes to the library map (no external doors or internal stairways nor elevators) and the stats on Wheels do not include his cyberlimbs ... Unless I'm blind that is.
I can't find 4 on the library map either.

A price tag on the vehicles and drones would have been lovely in case the players want to acquire us in the future.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Sterling on <02-23-15/1658:20>
Just finished a second read through and I'm stumped as to the final payment. As far as I can see there are no actual amounts listed.
is it just me or is this something else that slipped through?
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-23-15/1702:27>
From what I gather Wuxing's payment is no retribution while the other's is sanctuary and a ticket to home. Although cash is promised it never says how much as the book assumes the players would value their own safety above nuyen
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Bull on <02-23-15/1708:15>
Nobodies ever happy with the nuyen amounts we offer in official products anyway, so maybe this was more of a "GM's can set an amount appropriate to the game they're running", which is what I do with my home games anyway.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Grinder on <02-23-15/2349:15>
Since there a payment guidelines in the SR5 BBB, each official adventure should use them.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Namikaze on <02-24-15/0046:08>
Since there a payment guidelines in the SR5 BBB, each official adventure should use them.

What's the BBB?
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-24-15/0112:35>
Big Black/Blue/Bad Book aka crb or Core Rulebook
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Sterling on <02-24-15/0238:29>
From what I gather Wuxing's payment is no retribution while the other's is sanctuary and a ticket to home. Although cash is promised it never says how much as the book assumes the players would value their own safety above nuyen

Safety is good.  Safety with a pile of cash is even better!  ;D

Nobodies ever happy with the nuyen amounts we offer in official products anyway, so maybe this was more of a "GM's can set an amount appropriate to the game they're running", which is what I do with my home games anyway.

To be honest, I'd got so used to reading the Missions adventures I forgot this was intended for home games.  With that in mind then I like this approach, and it works in relation to the actual run, i.e. guideline is that Wuxing will pay more, but leave it to the GM to ensure it doesn't unbalance the campaign.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Namikaze on <02-24-15/0307:47>
Big Black/Blue/Bad Book aka crb or Core Rulebook

That's a silly acronym.  :P

Grinder, the Missions do attempt to follow the guidelines of the core book.  They're pretty close actually.  The problem is that no one is ever satisfied.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-24-15/0322:11>
Big Black/Blue/Bad Book aka crb or Core Rulebook

That's a silly acronym.  :P

Well it's from way back when the CRB was blue (1st) or black (2nd).
We used to call it the Big Bad Book because if the Gm was reaching for it you had it coming back in 2nd
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Grinder on <02-24-15/0750:13>
Big Black/Blue/Bad Book aka crb or Core Rulebook

That's a silly acronym.  :P

Know the history of the game, shouldn't you?

Grinder, the Missions do attempt to follow the guidelines of the core book.  They're pretty close actually.  The problem is that no one is ever satisfied.

Who was talking about Missions? I do expect that every offical adventure and campaign uses the offcial payment guidelines. Not saying that they are well-done, though. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Namikaze on <02-24-15/1651:13>
Know the history of the game, shouldn't you?

I've been playing the game for 20+ years, and I've never heard anyone refer to the book as "Big X Book."  It's always been "the rulebook."  Getting all snarky with me because I asked you what the acronym was, and then joking that it's a silly acronym...  that's a pretty elitist attitude to have.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Backgammon on <02-24-15/1739:22>
Big Black/Blue/Bad Book aka crb or Core Rulebook

That's a silly acronym.  :P

Know the history of the game, shouldn't you?

Grinder, the Missions do attempt to follow the guidelines of the core book.  They're pretty close actually.  The problem is that no one is ever satisfied.

Who was talking about Missions? I do expect that every offical adventure and campaign uses the offcial payment guidelines. Not saying that they are well-done, though. ;)

They did. Because they are GUIDELINES the writer looked at the suggested total and said "nah". Because they are GUiDELINES they were actually followed to the letter and SR is consistent with itself and the universe can continue to exist.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Mystic on <02-24-15/2057:32>
Nobodies ever happy with the nuyen amounts we offer in official products anyway, so maybe this was more of a "GM's can set an amount appropriate to the game they're running", which is what I do with my home games anyway.

That and sometimes, things get so fragged that getting out with your skin intact is payment enough.  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Kincaid on <02-24-15/2103:31>
Your payment will be escaping this deathtrap with your life!

But yeah, payment levels seems to be the most protean part of Shadowrun.  Missions, which very specifically has set out to have a certain power level, bases its payment scheme on what's appropriate for its goals.  Different tables will have, I'm sure, different goals.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Namikaze on <02-24-15/2118:59>
I had a game recently where my players were to recover some Black Ivory Coffee - this is, to some degree or another, the most expensive coffee in the world,  They were to recover 4 kilos of the coffee, which I put a value of 100,000 nuyen on.  There were two opportunities to grab the coffee they needed, but the shipments were very close to each other.  I figured this meant they wouldn't try to do both, but lo and behold of course they tried.  So on top of their normal payday, they got a lot more than I intended for them to get.  Yet another example of players taking everything that isn't nailed down.  :P
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: PiXeL01 on <02-24-15/2321:04>
To go back on topic - other than the before mentioned issues I have with the book I was pretty satisfied and surprised by the book. It is a very open compilation in the sense that it does very little railroading but then requires a lot more preparation for the GM. The storyline is good. So all in all a 4 out of 5 from me ^^

Editing out slight dyslexia
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Mystic on <02-25-15/0301:17>
To go back on topic - other than the before mentioned issued I have with the book I was pretty satisfied and surprised by the book. It is a very open compilation in the sense that it goes very little railroading but then requires a lot more preparation for the GM. The storyline is good. So all in all a 4 out of 5 from me ^^

Thanks! I'm just glad to see it finally published.
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: AJCarrington on <02-27-15/1223:29>
Finally got the chance to download this...something to read on the plane home tonight and the plane out on Sunday.  ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Ayslyn on <03-01-15/1050:25>
Yet another example of players taking everything that isn't nailed down.  :P
So lacking in creativity....   two words for you...Claw Hammer....    ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Namikaze on <03-01-15/1104:44>
Yet another example of players taking everything that isn't nailed down.  :P
So lacking in creativity....   two words for you...Claw Hammer....    ;)

Case in point!  Yesterday my players found a Valkyrie Module that was attached to a shipping container.  They asked if they could just kind of "throw it in the trunk" of their Ford Americar.  And when they went against vampires, they pulled all the fangs out of the dead vamps, and decided to "harvest" them for any potentially valuable talismonger components.  >.<
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Sendaz on <03-01-15/1236:27>
If they still got the hearts from the vamps, I may know a guy who might be interested in taking them off their hands. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Manhattan
Post by: Namikaze on <03-01-15/2228:18>
If they still got the hearts from the vamps, I may know a guy who might be interested in taking them off their hands. ;)

Only one heart remained intact.  One of the vamps got a shotgun round to the face, and a few to the chest (that were regenerated), but the other vamp got done in with a rather well-coordinated attack from three players, including an acid stream to the chest.  So one set of fangs, one heart, and one "gallbladder."  I put that in quotation marks because honestly, he's not sure what he pulled out of there.