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« Reply #45 on: <09-23-15/0102:52> »
Uh...no. Making armor, such as casual dresses, fire resistant and making them plasma resistant are two different animals entirely.  If you wanna show off how smart you are, at least do a minimal amount of research. Plasma is hotter than fire by literal orders of magnitude. Wyrm is right, those aren't arbitrary house rules he was suggesting. They're common sense.
You also forgot the 1-3e descriptions of the various types of armor - ballistic being primarily types of ballistic cloth, like Kevlar, while impact being mainly the plastic/metal plates and such.  While each assisted the other, pure 'plated' items (such as forearm guards or the hard hat) added only to your impact rating, while most 'pure cloth' items (shirts and the 'Venetian' and 'Ancien' evening gown lines) possessed only ballistic ratings.  But of course, that's pure nonsense, you could dikote an evening gown or a shirt, despite The Smiling Bandit's statements.

I mean, it isn't like The Smiling Bandit is one of the most scientifically-knowledgeable of all of the Shadowland / JackPoint posters, is he.
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« Reply #46 on: <09-23-15/0318:22> »
Arrowheads,Shuriken, Combatknifes or the Tip of Nails thats what I /my Chars dikote.
Everything else is too expensive ,/not effective enough !

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« Reply #47 on: <09-23-15/0348:15> »
with an economical Cheap Dance
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Fixed that for you. ;)


Just teasing ;D

But yeah, it makes good sense to dikote the weapon heads/smaller weapons like that for the added punch.
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« Reply #48 on: <09-23-15/0442:17> »
Still a minimum 1000¥ per batch.  :P
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« Reply #49 on: <09-23-15/0523:48> »
Still a minimum 1000¥ per batch.  :P
but You can coat 100 Nailtips (each with 1 CM°2 )

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« Reply #50 on: <09-23-15/0545:07> »
See above re: coating the whole thing.  I'd guess 25-50, but hey ...
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« Reply #51 on: <09-23-15/1720:40> »
Uh...no. Making armor, such as casual dresses, fire resistant and making them plasma resistant are two different animals entirely.  If you wanna show off how smart you are, at least do a minimal amount of research. Plasma is hotter than fire by literal orders of magnitude. Wyrm is right, those aren't arbitrary house rules he was suggesting. They're common sense.
You also forgot the 1-3e descriptions of the various types of armor - ballistic being primarily types of ballistic cloth, like Kevlar, while impact being mainly the plastic/metal plates and such.  While each assisted the other, pure 'plated' items (such as forearm guards or the hard hat) added only to your impact rating, while most 'pure cloth' items (shirts and the 'Venetian' and 'Ancien' evening gown lines) possessed only ballistic ratings.  But of course, that's pure nonsense, you could dikote an evening gown or a shirt, despite The Smiling Bandit's statements.

I mean, it isn't like The Smiling Bandit is one of the most scientifically-knowledgeable of all of the Shadowland / JackPoint posters, is he.


Sure thing mate, and yet the rules section in 1E Rulebook for Dikote EXPLICETELY talks about Dikote-treated Jackets, Suits and Long coats and Dikote giving both Ballistic and impact armor boni, making your claims invalid
Quoting a ficitional person as a source for scientific facts is a joke in itself, but not one i'll plan on partaking in.

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Plasma is hotter than fire by literal orders of magnitude.

"Plasma" is a state of matter you well educated guy.
This word holds as much information about specific temperatures as "liquid" or "solid", though thats not the relevant part.

Joke is on (both of) you.
Something similiar to the idea behind the Dikoting process exists in RL, its called low pressure plasma treatment.
The relevant point of this technology is that the temperature of gas that interacts with the material itself can be kept near room temperature, so you can even treat stuff that is quite sensitive to heat.

Here, have one of (many many) informational pages on that matter:

http://www.mddionline.com/article/surface-modification-using-low-pressure-plasma-technology


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One such process is low-pressure plasma technology—an environmentally friendly and cost-efficient way to modify material surfaces on a microscopic level without manual operations or the use of chemical products. With this technique, it is possible in a well-controlled and reproducible way to clean, activate, etch, or otherwise modify the surface of plastic, metal, or ceramic materials to improve their bonding capabilities or achieve totally new surface properties

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A high-frequency generator— (...) or microwave range—is then used to ionize the gas into a plasma,
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The formed reactive particles react in a direct way with the surface without damaging the bulk properties of the treated part.
Something sounding similiar here?

And in regard to plasma-treated clothing:

http://www.ep.liu.se/wcc/002/065/wcc12002065.pdf


But yeah, treating non-ceramics or non-hard materials with plasma-based works is totally not possible and literally contradicts common sense  ::)

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« Reply #52 on: <09-23-15/1831:59> »
Those are some interesting links, thanks for that.

Now I am thinking of just two words.

Dik(ote) Tape :P



Yes we know it would most likely break, but the concept is still funny.

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« Reply #53 on: <09-23-15/2036:28> »
Yadda yadda yadda
... again, 'okay'.  My question for you is whether or not you're deliberately trying to goad someone into a confrontation.
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« Reply #54 on: <09-23-15/2142:44> »
Uh...no. Making armor, such as casual dresses, fire resistant and making them plasma resistant are two different animals entirely.  If you wanna show off how smart you are, at least do a minimal amount of research. Plasma is hotter than fire by literal orders of magnitude. Wyrm is right, those aren't arbitrary house rules he was suggesting. They're common sense.
You also forgot the 1-3e descriptions of the various types of armor - ballistic being primarily types of ballistic cloth, like Kevlar, while impact being mainly the plastic/metal plates and such.  While each assisted the other, pure 'plated' items (such as forearm guards or the hard hat) added only to your impact rating, while most 'pure cloth' items (shirts and the 'Venetian' and 'Ancien' evening gown lines) possessed only ballistic ratings.  But of course, that's pure nonsense, you could dikote an evening gown or a shirt, despite The Smiling Bandit's statements.

I mean, it isn't like The Smiling Bandit is one of the most scientifically-knowledgeable of all of the Shadowland / JackPoint posters, is he.


Sure thing mate, and yet the rules section in 1E Rulebook for Dikote EXPLICETELY talks about Dikote-treated Jackets, Suits and Long coats and Dikote giving both Ballistic and impact armor boni, making your claims invalid
Quoting a ficitional person as a source for scientific facts is a joke in itself, but not one i'll plan on partaking in.

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Plasma is hotter than fire by literal orders of magnitude.

"Plasma" is a state of matter you well educated guy.
This word holds as much information about specific temperatures as "liquid" or "solid", though thats not the relevant part.

Joke is on (both of) you.
Something similiar to the idea behind the Dikoting process exists in RL, its called low pressure plasma treatment.
The relevant point of this technology is that the temperature of gas that interacts with the material itself can be kept near room temperature, so you can even treat stuff that is quite sensitive to heat.

Here, have one of (many many) informational pages on that matter:

http://www.mddionline.com/article/surface-modification-using-low-pressure-plasma-technology


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One such process is low-pressure plasma technology—an environmentally friendly and cost-efficient way to modify material surfaces on a microscopic level without manual operations or the use of chemical products. With this technique, it is possible in a well-controlled and reproducible way to clean, activate, etch, or otherwise modify the surface of plastic, metal, or ceramic materials to improve their bonding capabilities or achieve totally new surface properties

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A high-frequency generator— (...) or microwave range—is then used to ionize the gas into a plasma,
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The formed reactive particles react in a direct way with the surface without damaging the bulk properties of the treated part.
Something sounding similiar here?

And in regard to plasma-treated clothing:

http://www.ep.liu.se/wcc/002/065/wcc12002065.pdf


But yeah, treating non-ceramics or non-hard materials with plasma-based works is totally not possible and literally contradicts common sense  ::)

Well, no, again.  It's not a state of matter. It has been called a phase of matter, distinct from solid, liquid, or gas states.  In this specific treatment, it's described as an ionized super heated gas, used to basically liquify diamond and spread it as a film over materials that are sturdy enough to resist the heat. It's specifically spelled out as such, and yet you're linking us to pages that talk about using a similar (but not identical) process to decrease permeability to alcohol/vapors and medically sterilize surfaces without using chemicals. Bravo for using Google this time, but it's still not really relevant to the subject at hand. So, yes, when the fictional character who is established in the setting as being extremely knowledgeable in things such as science and technology says something, then you can take it to the bank.

So the facts are there, plain as day. I'm also not really sure what you're trying to achieve here, other than provoking an argument.
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« Reply #55 on: <09-25-15/0230:02> »
Cleaning and sterlizing are not the same as increasing the material strength of an object by a factor, which is what Dikote does.
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