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« Reply #285 on: <08-04-20/1948:54> »
The Krime Katalog came out, that's something for 5e and 6e!
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« Reply #286 on: <08-04-20/2157:23> »
The Krime Katalog came out, that's something for 5e and 6e!

Bought it day one, along with the troll variant book. Pretty sure I have every 6e dual stat and 6e only book so far. Really chomping at bit for magic book. Crossing fingers that Ally Spirits are still a thing.

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« Reply #287 on: <08-05-20/0223:25> »
The Krime Katalog came out, that's something for 5e and 6e!
KRIME! is the reason I want to create an awesome Ork Heavy Weapons specialist and commission art of her.
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« Reply #288 on: <08-06-20/1623:59> »
Yeah, I was a little iffy at first on the price point vs length for a PDF, but the Katalog was everything I needed and more...

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« Reply #289 on: <08-15-20/2341:40> »

I got the Krime Katalog, but it didn't  didn't really speak to me.  However two guys in my adult group loved it.  Michael, one being an Ork Heavy Weapons guys (Ex Pro Brawl Baller). 

Like ConRay, I have everything released for 6th thus far, and I really liked Firing Squad.  However, my engineering and professional back ground, I have firearms mfg experience so I am probably bias.

Most of my group is okay with 6th.  Granted my experienced players (and me) are having issues with assumptions based on previous editions (been playing since 1st).  However in the end, to me (as GM) it's about telling a story.  That still seems to be working, I do look forward to the new magic book hinted around on the forums.  I am curious on when a rigging/drone book is expected.

Sending this from a remote device, please forgive any grammar/spelling issues.

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« Reply #290 on: <08-19-20/1543:04> »
I'm new so please bear with me if I this is the nth time this is asked.

I saw mention that Firing Squad armor modifications helped to make characters more survivable.  Can someone please tell me which modification does that?  Is it the ToughWeave which would increase likelihood of generating edge on defense as well as adding wild dice to the roll?

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« Reply #291 on: <08-19-20/1606:57> »
There's stuff adding soak hits too, but with downsides and Illegal.
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« Reply #292 on: <08-19-20/1642:20> »
Thank you!  Can you please tell me the name of the modification that adds to soak rolls?

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« Reply #293 on: <08-19-20/1731:01> »
Reactive Armor (p53-p54), Tough Weave (note that TW only adds the wild die, not multiple), and of course there's the classics Mil-Spec Armor and Security Armor.
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« Reply #294 on: <08-19-20/1739:43> »
Toughweave will add a Wild Die to soak rolls, but I don't think anything in firing line will apply a modifier to the soak roll itself.

Toughweave, GelWeave, and Reactive Armor Plates give the equivalent of automatic hits- basically, they decrease the total damage before you roll soak, but don't affect how many dice you roll for soak.

Let's say I roll 6 dice to soak, and I am facing 5p damage. If I have a rating 2 reactive armor plate, then I can subtract 2 from the damage and break the plate. Now, I am facing 3p damage, but I still roll 6 dice to soak.

Without the plate, I would be taking about 3p damage on average in this situation. With the plate, I am now taking 1p damage on average in this situation. On average, the rating 2 reactive armor plate is worth about as much as a +6 modifier to my soak roll. "Average" is the key word here- the reactive plate will always subtract 2, whereas you could theoretically get between 0-6 hits out of 6 dice.

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« Reply #295 on: <08-19-20/1946:52> »
Thanks guys!  Your responses really helped me.  I was getting confused between Attack Rating (AR) and Damage Value (DV).  Seems like those armor enhancements are a very nice upgrade.  :D

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« Reply #296 on: <08-21-20/1031:11> »
Not as direct as the other items, but I think they still have a place

I would also suggest Securetech Invisi-Shield p51 or Securetech Armor (AAS) p 49.  They let you increase your DV with other items (Armored Underwear).  Thus providing you with a 25% (or higher) chance of gaining an edge or stopping an edge to the person attacking you.

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« Reply #297 on: <08-21-20/1256:17> »
Not as direct as the other items, but I think they still have a place

I would also suggest Securetech Invisi-Shield p51 or Securetech Armor (AAS) p 49.  They let you increase your DV with other items (Armored Underwear).  Thus providing you with a 25% (or higher) chance of gaining an edge or stopping an edge to the person attacking you.

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DR not DV. Dang them for their choice of phrasing

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« Reply #298 on: <08-22-20/1502:40> »
Maybe a bit more on-topic, but almost one year later and Shadowrun 6e CRB is at the "Platinum" level on DTRPG. That's one tier below SR Anarchy, which had a similar reception, and two tiers below 5e CRB and 4e 20A CRB.

For comparison, Anarchy was also at Platinum one year after release.

5e was at Platinum two years after release (I couldn't find an earlier archive). Same with 4e, six years after it was put on DTRPG.

However, at the time, DTRPG only marked products as high as platinum, so it's hard to say if this is a good comparison to the platinum level of 6e and Anarchy. We know that the minimum is the same since Love and Sex in the Ninth World was a Platinum at the time, and is still Platinum. DTRPG was also smaller at the time, so it's hard to say if they had as high of a percentage of sales as they do now.

I wouldn't speculate on what the exact ratio of DTRPG sales is to total sales, but I think it's fair to say that the ratio will be approximately the same among all these books. If anything, I'd say more people are choosing digital books over physical books than they were 10-20 years ago. But again, it's impossible to say for sure.

I'm not going to underestimate the power of the "long tail" when it comes to sales, especially with long-lived things like TTRPGs. But given the tiers for DTRPG, we can say that right now, 6e has about half the sales of Anarchy, and about a fifth of the sales for 5e CRB and 4e CRB (At most, it has 40% of the sales that 5e and 4e have- assuming that 6e is one sale away from the next tier, and 5e/4e are just barely making the cut for Adamantine).

The rigger and magic books were also delayed, and I anticipate they'll have a similar reception to Firing Squad (Released 3 months ago, sitting at Electrum.) Run & Gun is at Mithral, but was released 6 years ago. However, Run & Gun was already at platinum 3 months after its release. Late late edit: Can't believe nobody else noticed I was a year off. Whoops!

We can compare 30 Nights and Cutting Black to some of 5e's campaign books as well. 30 Nights is at electrum, 5 months after release. Cutting Black is also at electrum, 7 months after release. Today, Stolen Souls is at platinum, Lockdown is at gold, Bloody Business is at gold, Hard Targets is at platinum, Market Panic is at gold, Cutting Aces is at platinum, Dark Terrors is at platinum, and Better than Bad is at platinum.

I looked at these on archive 6 months after release to get the comparable details (Some I had to go out later or earlier, due to lack of archived pages).

Basically:

BookDTRPG Sales Today_DTRPG Sales at X time After Release_Current Rating# of Ratings
6e CRB1000 - 19991000 - 1999, 1 year after release2.651
5e CRB5000+1000+, 2 years after release4.1158
4e20A CRB5000+1000+, 6 years after release4.672
Anarchy2000 - 49991000 - 1999, 1 year after release3.656
Run & Gun2000 - 49991000 - 1999, 3 months after release4.238
Firing Squad250 - 499250 - 499, 12 months after release (Late edit again...)3.08
Cutting Black250 - 499250 - 499, 7 months after release3.69
30 Nights250 - 499250 - 499, 5 months after release[/b]3.33
Stolen Souls1000 - 1999500 - 999, 12 months after release3.416
Lockdown500 - 999250 - 499, 5 months after release4.02
Bloody Business_500 - 999250 - 499, 6 months after release3.54
Hard Targets1000 - 1999500 - 999, 6 months after release4.19
Market Panic500 - 999250 - 499, 6 months after release3.52
Cutting Aces1000 - 1999500 - 999, 6 months after release3.54
Dark Terrors1000 - 1999500 - 999, 6 months after release4.67
Better than Bad1000 - 19991000 - 1999, 12 months after release4.513


(Late edit- editing the table broke it a bit... sorry)

It's hard to tell what effect the CRB sales have, since DTRPG was not as big when the older books were released.

The campaign books are on-par with the 5e campaign books that did not do so well. We can expect them to move from Electrum to Gold over the next few years, but I don't think they'll go farther than that.

However, comparing Run & Gun with Firing Squad is very telling: 3 months after release, the 6e book has between 12.5% and 50% of the sales that the 5e book did. After the core books, the addition rule books make the most sales, followed then by campaign books, missions, etc.

The other 5e rulebooks are a little bit sketchier to compare than the campaign books, since there might be a different number of people interested in Rigger 6 versus Firing Squad.

Still, Rigger 5 was at Platinum, Chrome Flesh was at Gold, and Data Trails was at Gold. I couldn't find an archived page of Run Faster or Steet Grimoire closer than 1-3 years, so I didn't include them here.

As far as I can tell, Firing Squad is performing significantly worse than any of the other core rulebooks. I think this is more telling about the state of 6e than the campaign books, since some people just get the campaign books to read them, not to use them with a certain edition. However, people will typically only go for these kinds of books if they intend to use the rules in them with a particular edition. Whereas the 6e campaign books are performing on par with the worst of the 5e campaign books, Firing Squad is performing a tier below the worst of the 5e rules books.

Again, it's impossible to extrapolate "total sales" from DTRPG sales. However, I highly doubt that the proportion of people buying physical books compared to digital is significantly higher than it was 5 years ago. If anything, more people are buying digitally, but I don't think that will have a strong effect on this data.
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« Reply #299 on: <08-22-20/1600:46> »
I find it a bit sick that in a time like this, where so many people and companies have gone through hardship, you still insist on comparing sale numbers. :-\
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