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I'm looking for some more detailed maps of Seattle, speciffically road maps. The maps in the Seattle 2072 sourcebook aren't detailed enough for what I need, and I don't want to rely on a modern map. Does anyone know of one published in a sourcebook I am unaware of or has anyone been working on one?
Later
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Modern maps are almost certainly your best bet...
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Oi Chums,
An official street by street map of the Seattle Metroplex would be AWESOME, but hard to make no doubt. And if it did not mesh with your vision of what certain areas of the city looked like well then you would be making it up any way. It is likeley that if we ever did get a street by street of Seatte thats all we would get and I run games that cover the Globe.
Personaly, I use Google Earth. You can take an adddress from a sourcebook, like Seattle 2072, and search for it. Plop down a marker add what fluff and crunch you want for that locale and whammo. Then use the street Cam Veiw to give you more detail. We even use the ruler tool to help with distances in combat scenes. You can create overlays to mark out Gang territory, create borders to map out city sectors and you have every city in the world at your fingertips. On game day I set up in the living room connecting my laptop to my Big Screen and show the players what I want on the screen. I can hide stuff I don't want them to see exposing it as they do their legwork across the city. Is a great tool. Check it out.
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I have a few maps. I feel really awful that I can't recall who made them and give them credit where credit is due, but I'm fairly certain since these were posted on DS freely that they are not copyrighted or protected intellectual property.
http://img573.imageshack.us/i/srweltseattlestadtteile.gif/ (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/srweltseattlestadtteile.gif/)
http://img808.imageshack.us/i/redmondmap.jpg/ (http://img808.imageshack.us/i/redmondmap.jpg/)
If anyone else remembers these and can recall who made them please let me know. They deserve recognition.
And Seattle 2072 has a few maps as well, very good sourcebook for Seattle based adventures.
And I just noticed ImageShack resized them a bit smaller. Well, if you want larger ones you can PM me and I'll email them to you or something.
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I found this link usefull in all things seattle, http://shadowrun.chinagreenelvis.com/map/index.html it even has all the spots marked on the map :) cheers and I hope it helps.
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Long-time lurker, new-time poster...
I took some time and mapped all the sites from Seattle 2072 into Google Maps. Listed below are the links to it (broken up by district because Google Maps has a limitation on KML file sizes). Please note that going through the book and looking at the map, there are some obvious discrepancies (and I realize that in 60+ years, there would be at least a few changes to the exact road layout of Seattle, but since Google Maps won't reflect that, I've had to make some minor corrections)
Please enjoy, comment, etc...
Seattle 2072 Goggle Maps
Everett (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=21&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4c84c4a6ddb7053)
Snohomish (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=23&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4c9e1fa587b4a19)
Redmond (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=25&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4db0d9ec66f0652)
Bellevue (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=15&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4d7878baf34a983)
Council Island (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=19&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4cf75d2ebdf3fdc)
Downtown (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4d9e1da20b35ece)
Renton (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=13&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac750b4dc42581d18)
Tacoma (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=10&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4dc9612a7c58e85)
Auburn (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=6&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4dbab09165ba24c)
Fort Lewis (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4dd20b606c109f9)
Puyallup (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=4&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4de00644201bc86)
Outremer (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?vps=17&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212951523829166963716.0004ac4de522cabe91f82)
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In the Seattle Book, I was reading about a whole bunch of places I knew or had heard about. So a modern map shouldn't be that far off though when you take into account that they might have multiple level's of roads by now.... <.< not quite sure how build up the city would be by now.
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It was mostly that some of the sites either didn't belong in the districts that they were listed in or the street addresses didn't exist in Seattle 2011 (as opposed to Seattle 2072)
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It was mostly that some of the sites either didn't belong in the districts that they were listed in or the street addresses didn't exist in Seattle 2011 (as opposed to Seattle 2072)
Yeah I'll give you that, the locations are kind of funky, and Tacoma.... well some of the outer boundries you can go street by street and sometimes it will have a small batch of lakewood in it. <.< Happens here in Washington.
It's kind of changed the territories a bit. Though from what I was reading I think where I live got slagged from the eruption. Puyallup that is... i'm actually close to that "Shadowrunner mall" or whatever it was. I could walk there in less than 10 minutes most likely. xD
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You mean the Crime Mall... that's hilarious
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You mean the Crime Mall... that's hilarious
Yeah exactly. Ironically a little north about a block or two, and west is an actuall South Hill Mall which takes about 15 or so minutes to get to from my house. xD
I like the fact that it's in the area. (shadowrun that is) so i can use my knowledge of the actual places nearby. :D
We have a game store called the Game Matrix in tacoma figured wow that's a pefect shadowrun name for a shop.... :D
(it's actually the type of store that would sell Dungeons and Dragons, and Shadowrun books. The nerd gathering store. XD But I use it in my campaign as a local virtual reality surf the web or play virtual video games store. :D Great for Mr. Johnson who doesn't want to meet in person i thinks!
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What is the public transit like? subway, light rail, bus. Can you get anywhere in the city or only in the district your in?
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Reliability is proportional to the money of the district. Downtown 'plex, where there's a lot of commerce and cash flow makes it pretty reliable in those areas. Head out to the barrens, and you'll be lucky to find a cab that isn't part of the Ghoul "Meals-on-Wheels" program.
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As of 2011, Seattle does not have an underground subway system. It is mostly buses with a few monorails that are above ground. If you get a chance, look at Seattle through Google Earth and have the terrain feature turned on. You'll notice that Seattle is a very hilly, almost mountainous area (which makes sense, given the proximity to Mt. Rainier and other mountains). Given that the Ork Underground is underneath the majority of Downtown, which is the remains of real-life Seattle buildings that were lost in the early 1900's and that Seattle is near an active volcano, I doubt that anyone would be able to build an underground subway system and the terrain outside of Downtown is not really suitable for monorails (which don't like steep inclines).
I would imagine in 2072 that there are a few monorails making a Downtown circuit but still mostly buses to the areas safe enough to handle them. And don't forget the ferrys... Seattle is and would likely still be famous for them.
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Reliability is proportional to the money of the district. Downtown 'plex, where there's a lot of commerce and cash flow makes it pretty reliable in those areas. Head out to the barrens, and you'll be lucky to find a cab that isn't part of the Ghoul "Meals-on-Wheels" program.
I gave my group two choices for cabs that went into the Barrens...
Ghoul Cap and Dragon Taxi. They tried Dragon Taxi first, and got a Dragon wearing a Turban on AR. They immediately hung up and have used Ghoul Cab ever since.
Too bad I lost my notebook full of introductions as those were golden!
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Reliability is proportional to the money of the district. Downtown 'plex, where there's a lot of commerce and cash flow makes it pretty reliable in those areas. Head out to the barrens, and you'll be lucky to find a cab that isn't part of the Ghoul "Meals-on-Wheels" program.
You, sir, are epic! I will remember that!
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As of 2011, Seattle does not have an underground subway system. It is mostly buses with a few monorails that are above ground. If you get a chance, look at Seattle through Google Earth and have the terrain feature turned on. You'll notice that Seattle is a very hilly, almost mountainous area (which makes sense, given the proximity to Mt. Rainier and other mountains). Given that the Ork Underground is underneath the majority of Downtown, which is the remains of real-life Seattle buildings that were lost in the early 1900's and that Seattle is near an active volcano, I doubt that anyone would be able to build an underground subway system and the terrain outside of Downtown is not really suitable for monorails (which don't like steep inclines).
I would imagine in 2072 that there are a few monorails making a Downtown circuit but still mostly buses to the areas safe enough to handle them. And don't forget the ferrys... Seattle is and would likely still be famous for them.
This is correct, and there are ALOT of busses. Also about Seattle being hilly. OMG 2 blocks walking straight uphill left me out of breath it is sometimes that much of a climb. There's supposed to be "7 hills" in seattle the city. Never been to them all myself but figured i'd relay some information. If I remember correctly the lost underground of Seattle is supposed to be haunted and it is literally built on top of the old city beneath it. You can go on tours current day, and there are places where you can look up through the ceiling and see parts of seattle above. (because there's like glassy ceiling tiles you can see through, if i'm remembering correctly.)
This may be common knowledge but, finding parking in seattle is a pain in the ass and you have to pay to park. (coming from Puyallup where there are parking lots and the sort and more of a town then a city this is a little strange to me so I often don't incorperate that into my game. *shrugs* now that I think about it a parking garage might be an interesting place for a meeting with a johnson. xD
though I sort of imagine that in seattle the buildings would be build up and there would be multiple layers of 'streets'. Not sure how to describe how I imagine it, but if you've seen Star Wars Coruscant. that's kinda of I imagine Seattle evolving into. Maybe it hasn't and it's just base streets but who knows? :P
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I've described a number of elevated highways (At least three high in some places!) in the city with my group, none have complained or called me on it in any way. Considering how tight and congested Seattle is due to having no room to grow, it makes sense to have them to facilitate traffic patterns.
Downtown Seattle has a Monorail (You see it in the SNES Shadowrun game, actually, it's a nice way of piecing the city off, actually), and it was a minor part of the Archology Shutdown (Well, major to the people who were stuck on the last train into the Arc!).
My group has never taken the bus, but constantly take cabs (Ghoul Cab being their choice when going from/into the Barrens.).
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I'm wondering if bus' would be cheaper... o.O'
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Think about the buses in Shadowrun. (http://canray.deviantart.com/art/A-Night-To-Never-Remember-4-83053138) (Or read the link. ;D )
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The funny thing is I have never been to Seattle. I just do a lot of research for my games in general. I do have a friend that lives in Redmond (who often refers to Mt. Rainier as Mt. Doom) to helps with not-so obvious stuff (like the terrain shift).
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The funny thing is I have never been to Seattle. I just do a lot of research for my games in general. I do have a friend that lives in Redmond (who often refers to Mt. Rainier as Mt. Doom) to helps with not-so obvious stuff (like the terrain shift).
If for some reason you need Tacoma help, you can call on me. Puyallup as well. Mason could help as well if you ask him really nicely.
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Thanks Arc...
If you get the chance, take a look through my Google Maps and see if there's anything grossly out of place. I noticed going through the Seattle 2072 book that a few of the places listed either didn't exist (according to Seattle 2011 street maps) or were not in the district that they were listed in (like stuff just on the border of Renton and Puyallup.
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The borders of Seattle 2072 are incorrect/changed in some instances. When in doubt, use the Seattle sourcebook, since it is canon for Shadowrun.
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Thanks Arc...
If you get the chance, take a look through my Google Maps and see if there's anything grossly out of place. I noticed going through the Seattle 2072 book that a few of the places listed either didn't exist (according to Seattle 2011 street maps) or were not in the district that they were listed in (like stuff just on the border of Renton and Puyallup.
I have my own problems with Seattle 2070. One thing I do like doing is finding addresses IRL for sbadowrun places. The Cathode Glow, in game, is on the corner of Proctor and 6th Ave South. IRL there is a Computer Repair shop there now. I just really feel Left out because the Hospital I work at wasn't included in the book.
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Thanks Arc...
If you get the chance, take a look through my Google Maps and see if there's anything grossly out of place. I noticed going through the Seattle 2072 book that a few of the places listed either didn't exist (according to Seattle 2011 street maps) or were not in the district that they were listed in (like stuff just on the border of Renton and Puyallup.
I have my own problems with Seattle 2070. One thing I do like doing is finding addresses IRL for sbadowrun places. The Cathode Glow, in game, is on the corner of Proctor and 6th Ave South. IRL there is a Computer Repair shop there now. I just really feel Left out because the Hospital I work at wasn't included in the book.
Don't feel bad St. Clair is where I work and I do believe that one wasn't included. That's in lakewood area however. :P
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Yeah, they list Mary Bridge in there, but they keep calling it "Bridge Hospital". WTF? i have never heard someone refer to Mary Bridge as "Bridge Hospital". Then they leave out St. Joe's, one of Tacoma's best hospitals, in favor of Tacoma General.
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Yeah, they list Mary Bridge in there, but they keep calling it "Bridge Hospital". WTF? i have never heard someone refer to Mary Bridge as "Bridge Hospital". Then they leave out St. Joe's, one of Tacoma's best hospitals, in favor of Tacoma General.
Heh, maybe it's mostly written by people who don't live in washington? It wouldn't surprise me much. Curious did you ever read anything about the Puyallup Fair grounds? I'm thinking an abbandoned fairground in the wastes would make an awesome place for a shadowrun mission.
At least they got the "Tacoma Auroma right" ugh... somedays man.
>.> I'm thinking spanaway lake hasn't changed much. (being toxic and gross that is. Happens when you have so many ducks in one lake. XD)
So i'm guessing you guys play a game in tacoma area? Curious are you and ARC in the same game and would you mind perhaps someday in the future a stranger showing up? :P I'm still new to the game so i'm trying to get a good feel for it DMing wise. xD Helps when you play as the PC however and experience the game. xD
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uhm...we have like 8 people right now...maybe? It's at Arc's house, so it is up to him and his wife.
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uhm...we have like 8 people right now...maybe? It's at Arc's house, so it is up to him and his wife.
hah, i see. Well then might be a bit crowded then. I don't want to over crowd you if you feel uncomfortable with it.
I currently have anywhere from 4-12 people playing Dnd. Good news is it's been a long time since we've been able to get every single person to show up so it ends up being around 6-10 people. Big groups are hectic however.
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uhm...we have like 8 people right now...maybe? It's at Arc's house, so it is up to him and his wife.
I have no problem with it, it's my wife and my wallet that do.
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uhm...we have like 8 people right now...maybe? It's at Arc's house, so it is up to him and his wife.
I have no problem with it, it's my wife and my wallet that do.
Ha! I know exactly what you mean! My house being the host and all.... a lot of money goes to food it seems. (we've cut it down by limiting the "game day" to just saturday but we used to have it Friday AND Saturday.)
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People can always contribute more of their own stuff to the game, so the cash flow issue can be lessened.
The biggest problem is SPACE. We are pretty full with 8 people in a small apartment, and a large group like that is kind of unwieldy...I don't know about Arc, but I fear my own GMing skills would be stretched to their limit with another player.
So...sorry man.
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I've done groups as large as 13. Yeah it was crazy but there are tricks. As for space, yeah it is a bit cramped. I am still playing with an idea for a Shadowrun Convention at the Tacoma Convention Center. I think it would be awesome.
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I've done groups as large as 13. Yeah it was crazy but there are tricks. As for space, yeah it is a bit cramped. I am still playing with an idea for a Shadowrun Convention at the Tacoma Convention Center. I think it would be awesome.
Yeah, again I have the SAME situation here. The usual cliche is there is NO ONE in your area to play. Well it's the opposite here with both DnD and Shadowrun it seems.
We are in an 3 bedroom appartment 2 bathrooms, a living room and a kitchen. We play in the living room/kitchen. The hardest DM/GM problem i'm having is the TV my mom is watching off to the side distracts players a lot but we don't have anywhere else to play. The rooms are barely big enough as is. Seat space is sometimes an issue. Then the pet peeve of having a cell, laptop(unless it's the DM looking up things on his computer for the game), or other electronic devices. I'm afraid not everyone in my group has the focus to maintain the game running smoothly. (that and sometimes I have to think what's coming next :P)
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I've done groups as large as 13. Yeah it was crazy but there are tricks. As for space, yeah it is a bit cramped. I am still playing with an idea for a Shadowrun Convention at the Tacoma Convention Center. I think it would be awesome.
Yeah, again I have the SAME situation here. The usual cliche is there is NO ONE in your area to play. Well it's the opposite here with both DnD and Shadowrun it seems.
We are in an 3 bedroom appartment 2 bathrooms, a living room and a kitchen. We play in the living room/kitchen. The hardest DM/GM problem i'm having is the TV my mom is watching off to the side distracts players a lot but we don't have anywhere else to play. The rooms are barely big enough as is. Seat space is sometimes an issue. Then the pet peeve of having a cell, laptop(unless it's the DM looking up things on his computer for the game), or other electronic devices. I'm afraid not everyone in my group has the focus to maintain the game running smoothly. (that and sometimes I have to think what's coming next :P)
I know how that is. It used to be that I would have a core of like 4 or 5 people to play every weekend. Since coming to Washington, my core group has gone to 8 total, with no transients. It's insane.
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Well back on topic, I think it's generally a good idea to pick a place your familiar with so you can work the general layout into your games. I've only been to seattle a few times but I know Puyallup Area(wastelands now but eh), and Spanaway (which i don't think is included in shadowrun at all) pretty well.
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Spanaway is included as "Puyallup" in SR IIRC. I live there now, but I'd have to check the Seattle books to be sure. If it is, then Kong-Wal-Mart is just down the street!
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Spanaway is included as "Puyallup" in SR IIRC. I live there now, but I'd have to check the Seattle books to be sure. If it is, then Kong-Wal-Mart is just down the street!
Lol if so I know exactly where that one is I bet. Used to be close to where I went to school around the Bethel. Went to Shining mountain elementary, and if I remember right the Walmart was down the road through a light, and a little bit more up the road accross from a Gamestop. :D Though o.O spanaway being included in Puyallup area eh.... I'll have to take a look at that.
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I just finished my seattle maps. It's Seattle in the 2050s but I think you can also use them for the 2070s.
Pacific Northwest:
http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Pacific_Northwest_(lowres).pdf (http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Pacific_Northwest_(lowres).pdf) (Format: DIN A3, ca. 6 MB)
Seattle Districts:
http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Districts_(lowres).pdf (http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Districts_(lowres).pdf)(Format: DIN A1, ca. 19 MB)
Seattle Downtown:
http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Downtown_(lowres).pdf (http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Downtown_(lowres).pdf) (Format: DIN A3, ca. 1 MB)
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@fexes...
+1 for the whole official cartographer looking maps... Bravo
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yeah, my whole stomping ground is either ft lewis or kitsap peninsula (so another bloody country)
as for the ferries, i seriously doubt they would be running the same routes, as most non-amerind people were booted from everywhere. they might have a ferry running from downtown to everett and to tacoma, but not much more than that.
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@fexes...
+1 for the whole official cartographer looking maps... Bravo
I'll second this. Great maps there. Gonna use 'em next time I run a game.
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Here's my Google Earth kmz pak (www.fizzygoo.com/Sr/Support/SR4_North_America.kmz (http://www.fizzygoo.com/Sr/Support/SR4_North_America.kmz)) for the unfinished project. But, North America is done. Note in opening the sub folders there is a Denver folder, unchecked (checking it will display the sectors of Denver, but you should uncheck "Denver" in the nations boxes. The opposite runs true for Seattle; the Seattle folder (with the sectors, and two major buildings) is checked, but the National level outline of Seattle is unchecked.
Best used if the Google Earth default Borders & Labels are turned off, as well as everything else that is included in Google Earth save roads and 3D buildings.
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I just finished my seattle maps. It's Seattle in the 2050s but I think you can also use them for the 2070s.
Pacific Northwest:
http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Pacific_Northwest_(lowres).pdf (http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Pacific_Northwest_(lowres).pdf) (Format: DIN A3, ca. 6 MB)
Seattle Districts:
http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Districts_(lowres).pdf (http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Districts_(lowres).pdf)(Format: DIN A1, ca. 19 MB)
Seattle Downtown:
http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Downtown_(lowres).pdf (http://www.fexes.de/downloads/SR2050_Seattle_Downtown_(lowres).pdf) (Format: DIN A3, ca. 1 MB)
I love you whoever you are. xD Plutonically of course. xD
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printed posters:
(http://www.fexes.de/downloads/IMG_8047.jpg)
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Oooooh!!!!
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Shiny! I want a set!!! ;D
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So cool. Would love to have a set.
A friend of mine has just been in Seattle and he brought home a stack of maps and a turist guide as a suvenir for me. Nive fella ;D
(I live in Denmark so personal area knowledge of Seattle is lagging a bit).
Rasmus
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It's not much better if you live in Northern Ontario or Southern Manitoba, Canada. ;D
Yeah, I think some of the folks on the boards in Seattle might be able to help out a number of folks with road maps. A lot better than trying to rely on MapQuest/Google Maps unless you have a fairly large tablet PC for the table. Or a Poster-Sized Printer.
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It's not much better if you live in Northern Ontario or Southern Manitoba, Canada. ;D
At least it is the same continent :P
Rasmus
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So, what's Rome like? :P
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So, what's Rome like? :P
I Have been in Rome several times ;)
Rasmus
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And Paris? Dunkirk? Dieppe? Berlin (before and after The Wall)?
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And Paris? Dunkirk? Dieppe? Berlin (before and after The Wall)?
And after the second wall. :D
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And Paris? Dunkirk? Dieppe? Berlin (before and after The Wall)?
Paris yes, but have only made that one trip to France.
Berlin after the wall - I'm not that old...
And London, Manchester, Nothingham, Prag, Budapest, Athens, Istanbul, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Düseldorf, Wiena, Napels, Pisa, Amsterdam and a lot of other places. Years ago I used a summer to backpack through Europe and the rest a from more regular vacations and business trips ;D
Rasmus
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And Paris? Dunkirk? Dieppe? Berlin (before and after The Wall)?
Paris yes, but have only made that one trip to France.
Berlin after the wall - I'm not that old...
And London, Manchester, Nothingham, Prag, Budapest, Athens, Istanbul, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Düseldorf, Wiena, Napels, Pisa, Amsterdam and a lot of other places. Years ago I used a summer to backpack through Europe and the rest a from more regular vacations and business trips ;D
Rasmus
Sounds awesome, :D kind of wish to do that but I think i'm a little scared to be in the unknown, especially if i get to parts where i don't speak the language!!! xD I'll stick to Washington for now.
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Sounds awesome, :D kind of wish to do that but I think i'm a little scared to be in the unknown, especially if i get to parts where i don't speak the language!!! xD I'll stick to Washington for now.
I walk five blocks and I'm somewhere that I don't speak the language. :P
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Sounds awesome, :D kind of wish to do that but I think i'm a little scared to be in the unknown, especially if i get to parts where i don't speak the language!!! xD I'll stick to Washington for now.
I walk five blocks and I'm somewhere that I don't speak the language. :P
Guess I wouldn't be leaving my house then! XD
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Sounds awesome, :D kind of wish to do that but I think i'm a little scared to be in the unknown, especially if i get to parts where i don't speak the language!!! xD I'll stick to Washington for now.
Yes it is always cool to travel. A lot of people speak english (or german in central Europe) and generally almost everywhere people are curious and like to talk to strangers - even if talking is sign language. I have discussed soccer in Turkey with a local guy and a man from Holland. Great fun. Nobody understood each other (the guy from Holland I could talk both english and german with but in the passionate discussion he switched to dutch and I don't think nobody understand that ;)) but we communicated none the less.
Maybe expect border guards in Bulgaria. They actually carry AK-47's and they are not very friendly (at least 20 years ago). Bad combination but bribery work wonders.
Rasmus
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There's friendly border guards?
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There are always friendly border guards. You just have to know how much they cost.
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There are always friendly border guards. You just have to know how much they cost.
Took the words right out of my mouth, there.
Of course, a deft application of Mob Mind and/or Alter Memory can make check points much easier as well. Just zonk them and make them all think they've already inspected you.
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Sounds awesome, :D kind of wish to do that but I think i'm a little scared to be in the unknown, especially if i get to parts where i don't speak the language!!! xD I'll stick to Washington for now.
Yes it is always cool to travel. A lot of people speak english (or german in central Europe) and generally almost everywhere people are curious and like to talk to strangers - even if talking is sign language. I have discussed soccer in Turkey with a local guy and a man from Holland. Great fun. Nobody understood each other (the guy from Holland I could talk both english and german with but in the passionate discussion he switched to dutch and I don't think nobody understand that ;)) but we communicated none the less.
Maybe expect border guards in Bulgaria. They actually carry AK-47's and they are not very friendly (at least 20 years ago). Bad combination but bribery work wonders.
Rasmus
O.o sounds like it was fun no?
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Yes, it was fun. Maybe not in the moment but later it is a cool experience.
Most border guards in the civilized world are polite and nice.
The civilized world being Western Europe 8)
Rasmus
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Yes, it was fun. Maybe not in the moment but later it is a cool experience.
Most border guards in the civilized world are polite and nice.
The civilized world being Western Europe 8)
Rasmus
:P better not come here then.... xD Since USA isn't located in west europe.
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Hey, Tir Tairngir's border guards are very friendly. They catch you, kindly relieve you of the possessions that you were burdened with, and give you a hit of Laes to help you forget your troubles for a while before they kindly drop you on the other side of the border.
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Yes, it was fun. Maybe not in the moment but later it is a cool experience.
Most border guards in the civilized world are polite and nice.
The civilized world being Western Europe 8)
Rasmus
:P better not come here then.... xD Since USA isn't located in west europe.
I know - I have been to the states once :P
Rasmus
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Yes, it was fun. Maybe not in the moment but later it is a cool experience.
Most border guards in the civilized world are polite and nice.
The civilized world being Western Europe 8)
Rasmus
:P better not come here then.... xD Since USA isn't located in west europe.
I know - I have been to the states once :P
Rasmus
I'm sorry you found us uncivilizes. :P
Though if you came to washington with all it's god damn trees and I hadn't been somewhere like here i might think the same. (Everywhere you look there's 50 trees! xD)
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I was fairly happy with how relatively civilized the USA was from what I expected. Then I walked into a bar and ordered a beer. *Shakes Head*
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I was fairly happy with how relatively civilized the USA was from what I expected. Then I walked into a bar and ordered a beer. *Shakes Head*
Wouldn't know what your talking about CanRay. Might be that I just turned 21 on halloween and I've still yet to go to a bar. :P
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Wouldn't know what your talking about CanRay. Might be that I just turned 21 on halloween and I've still yet to go to a bar. :P
Exactly my point! Barbarians! Not letting a grown man drink!
Not that I'd call what they served "Drinks", mind you. Pour them back in the horse and make the world a better place, really.
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Wouldn't know what your talking about CanRay. Might be that I just turned 21 on halloween and I've still yet to go to a bar. :P
Exactly my point! Barbarians! Not letting a grown man drink!
Not that I'd call what they served "Drinks", mind you. Pour them back in the horse and make the world a better place, really.
Ah the laws being different, were you under 21 then? :P
Heard some places(other than the USA) you can drink if your taller than the bar, don't know if it's true but i've heard that.
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No, I was 23. But still, the idea.
I've seen "Must be 21 or able to beat up the bouncer to drink here" signs. :P
EDIT: There's a long tradition, in my hometown at least, can't say about other places, that if you're old enough to be in the military (Militia counts), you're old enough to drink. Show your military ID, and, unless the Inspectors are being dicks that week, you're in.
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Heh, well you can't win em all. XD
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You can't win, you can't break even, you can't get out of the game. :(
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In Denmark you can buy alcohol in stores when you are 16 and in bars when you are 18. It isn't difficult to get into a bar before that age though because the bouncers and the bartenders almost never check Id's.
Oh and we have real beer - ones that taste like beer and has percentages over 4 ;D
I visited Washington and NY. It was a great trip and people where very friendly but as a country you are really strange comparred to home :o
When we visited the holocaust museum there where like 30 armed guards (and 10 guests) and they stoped just short of taking on the latex gloves in their inspection. I had to drink from my bottled water to prove it wasn't flameable. Thats just plain strange ???. When I visist a museum here there is a smiling young woman that sells me the ticket and thats it.
Or when we visited a mall and wanted a group picture taken I asked a guy if he would help us and gave my camera to him. He looked at me very questionable but took the picture. Later I asked one of our american friends what has been the issue and he just laughed at me and said it was because I was white and I had asked a black man for help.
And it is funny when you call a building from the 1850's old and historic. Old is when you visit the stone markers from the first danish kings that dates back more than 1000 years :P
Rasmus
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Well, please forgive a few young nations their views of "historic" please. We don't have 1000-years of history when it comes to buildings in North America for the most part. :P
Union Station here in Winnipeg will be celebrating it's Centennial Anniversary next year. My house just celebrated its. (Still windproof. Good bones, this house.).
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In Denmark you can buy alcohol in stores when you are 16 and in bars when you are 18. It isn't difficult to get into a bar before that age though because the bouncers and the bartenders almost never check Id's.
Oh and we have real beer - ones that taste like beer and has percentages over 4 ;D
I visited Washington and NY. It was a great trip and people where very friendly but as a country you are really strange comparred to home :o
When we visited the holocaust museum there where like 30 armed guards (and 10 guests) and they stoped just short of taking on the latex gloves in their inspection. I had to drink from my bottled water to prove it wasn't flameable. Thats just plain strange ???. When I visist a museum here there is a smiling young woman that sells me the ticket and thats it.
Or when we visited a mall and wanted a group picture taken I asked a guy if he would help us and gave my camera to him. He looked at me very questionable but took the picture. Later I asked one of our american friends what has been the issue and he just laughed at me and said it was because I was white and I had asked a black man for help.
And it is funny when you call a building from the 1850's old and historic. Old is when you visit the stone markers from the first danish kings that dates back more than 1000 years :P
Rasmus
Heh, well old for us isn't very old. If you remember we are actually a very young country, just over 200 years or so. Also yeah, we have different groups around. It wouldn't surprise me if you got some odd looks for taking a picture, if you had asked me I would have been surprised at first and then agreed to take the picture because it's not like it's harming me or anything. Done it for a few strangers actually. xD (You might take note it was in the past 100 years that African Americans were concidered equal. I really don't see why they shouldn't have in the first place but that's how history goes. There are still people who remember those days still alive though, so I dare say we still have racism)
The Museum part is pretty funny, I haven't been to the East coast side of USA but i know some of our more important ones would have security like that. If you came to one say in Washington state however, you'd get about the general same effect of someone selling you a ticket and you going on your way.
What I found curious is that I've been told numerous times if I'm visiting Euro to say i'm from Canada.... o.O' We hated that much? I know playing on Xbox live sometimes people from Europe can be outspoke about "Stupid Americans." Hope that's not the world view of us. T.T
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What I found curious is that I've been told numerous times if I'm visiting Euro to say i'm from Canada.... o.O' We hated that much? I know playing on Xbox live sometimes people from Europe can be outspoke about "Stupid Americans." Hope that's not the world view of us. T.T
Hey, get your own reputation! ;D
US Politics have not exactly been, shall we say, the most polite in a lot of ways. Also, consider that most people from the US that travel abroad are Tourists ("Hey, where the hell is the snow? I wanted to go skiing!" "It's JUNE. Keep driving North until you hit the Frost Line. If the roads don't run out first." - True. Fragging. Story.) who are not the best ambassadors.
There's also the reputation of the US being "Rich", which means that prices can get jacked up in certain places (Including bribes). For some reason, Canadians don't have that same reputation, so things are easier that way.
Finally, Holland. Just don't ruin it for us there, OK?
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Ha, rich. I guess compared to some countries. XD I particularly don't feel rich but your told ever since elementary to be thankful you were born in the USA because your better off than a lot of other people. I'm thankful, but there's always things to be improved. :D
I'll be sure to steal your reputation xD.
As for tourist in canada wanting to go skiing... <.< there's enough snow in washington for that.... WDF!
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Easier to drive North to Ontario, I guess.
But back to Seattle. Where if it isn't raining, you still aren't seeing the sun!
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Easier to drive North to Ontario, I guess.
But back to Seattle. Where if it isn't raining, you still aren't seeing the sun!
You've obviously never heard of "Washington Sunshine."
(That's our nickname for rain in case anyone wants to use that in their games and is not from the washington area. Not sure it's been mentioned in the fluff..... damn rain.... Always raining. :P)
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I'm working on Google Map placements myself.
Some important notes:
1. Thomas Vinters has a typo. The NE location is the middle of downtown with NO place to put the vineyards under domes. Considering that it has supposedly been around for a hundred years, this can't be. Instead, assume SE and you'll see on google maps, very close to Woodridge Park and Sunset Hills Memorial Park. The secret to the wine, and reason that they get support to not get bought out, is that the vineyards are growing on top of a cemetery. Thomas Wines is PEOPLE! :o
2. Community Hospital in Auburn district isn't in Auburn/Algona it is in Enumclaw. There's an existing one there at the address listed.
3. The downtown locations map seems to have some addresses shifted over a couple blocks. The prison and library are both slightly off. The Library is labeled as Dante's Inferno and The actual prison is labeled as Stoufers-Madison Hotel. And a weird stretch of highway is labeled as the Metroplex Prison.
4. Although the specific address is not listed, Shiawase Atomics is noted to have built their nuke plant within sight of the rusting hulk of the old Trojan-Satsop plant that melted down and formed Glow city. If you find the Glow City area, then find Soaring Eagle Regional Park to the north of that, you'll find a little chunk taken out of the west side. In Satellite view, it looks a bit like two cooling towers. Now switch back to terrain mode. In my version, the original Trojan-Satsop plant was a little further south, on the same mountain. When it melted down, the radiation, due to winds and rain, ran downhill to the south and west into a shallow valley, then drained into Beaver Lake to the south. Those two 'cooling towers' are for the new (2028) Shiawase plant (it is also a fission plant, unlike the Olympia Fusion plant). There's a small community adjacent which I've claimed as the plant proper.
5. North of the Shiawase Atomics facility, there's a bit of a canyon or pass into a larger canyon that runs from Fall City to Redmond proper. Check it out in Terrain mode. I'm calling this the Abyss and it is used by gangers to fight wars as well as by smugglers to bring goods in from SSC under the radar. Squatters of course know this and it isn't above them to take pot shots at T-birds in order to claim the valuable goods.
6. Renraku is noted in the flavor text to be a big influence in Auburn and Bellevue, but it doesn't have any specific sites listed. Algona Community Hospital (Auburn) is noted to have Renraku Biotech buy up space around it. The Flavor text also states that Renraku has built the largest computer manufacturing plant of its kind in 'Auburn' district. I've combined those making the industrial district east of Algona the Renraku Commercial Park. Furthermore, its subsidiary, Architectural Dynamics is the owner of almost every mall you've been in. So, I've claimed from Route 18 down to Stewart Rd/8th St SE and from the bluffs west of 167 over to the railroad tracks at C St/East Valley Hwy as Renraku controlled turf. The Renraku subsidiary, Najima Securities, has subcontracted the police work in Algona/Pacific, which means the whole area is guarded by what appears to be 'Mall Cops'. Of course, what you don't see is the bribes to the Mafia and Yakuza to stay out as well as funding of gangers to act as supplemental security and everybody in Algona/Pacific is RFid tagged and constantly monitored. The whole area is Big Brother/Stepford Wives on steroids. Now, this was of course before the Arcology shutdown. So this little Garden of Eden may have gotten some snakes in there since 2059.
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3. The downtown locations map seems to have some addresses shifted over a couple blocks. The prison and library are both slightly off. The Library is labeled as Dante's Inferno and The actual prison is labeled as Stoufers-Madison Hotel. And a weird stretch of highway is labeled as the Metroplex Prison.
Was this directed at my google maps? If so, could you provide screenshots?
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Probably. It isn't that you labeled them wrong, they are labeled wrong in the source books.
Check your map at Dante's Inferno, then zoom in with labels on. You can see that location is clearly the library.
The Stoufers-Madison/Prison thing takes a little more research since it isn't labeled, but if you do a google map search of prisons near Seattle, you'll see it get marked.
You can assume that the old FASA editors were perfect and had no errors, in which case they tore down the old library and built it next door, or you can assume, as I do, that it was a typo from the beginning and nobody has caught it, because really, how many times have your runners gone to the library?
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Ah... I figured some amount of construction would have occurred in the next 70 years or so
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And the Prison in the middle of I-5? ???
Do a street view of the existing library and tell me they just tore that down and moved it over a block. That is a gorgeous building.
Should I point out the 40 minute and 15 minute ferry rides between downtown and Tacoma/Everett?
All I'm saying is that I find it easier to believe that an RPG company would rush a book to publication rather than double checking all the facts, than to have had buildings torn down and rebuilt a block away in 50 years (the library was there in 2050).
That being said, A LOT has changed. The night of rage in 2039 wiped out many buildings, but mostly along the docks in Tacoma. Cougar Mountain was leveled. Much of Bellevue was deforested. Both the Arcology and Aztechnology's pyramid were built. I can see corporate change all over the place, but the library is a municipal thing so it would be hard pressed to pay for another building.
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Oops, I was referring to Frankie's linked map. Yours doesn't have a special marker on the library.
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You can find the exact border of Stuck here: http://www.auburnwa.gov/Assets/IS/AuburnWA/Docs/Zoning+Atlas.pdf
That is a zoning map for Auburn. Stuck is that little area of Potential Annexation Area south of 29th street and east of A street.
And here's a pic of my take on Renraku Biotech compound in Algona
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And here's an altered Google map of the area showing the Renraku Corporate park and Algona Community Hospital/Renraku Biocomp. Stuck is visible to the east of the railroad tracks but is unlabelled.
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Here's where I'm suggesting Community General Hospital, Auburn District should be located.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=210655734479281783450.0004b45140cc0604cd844
That location better matches the flavor text about taking in emergency cases from the Puyallup Barrens.
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As of 2011, Seattle does not have an underground subway system.
Seattle does canonically have the Ork Underground. Seattle does have roads and trains going through tunnels. See I 90 between Downtown and Bellevue. I believe there is a rail tunnel on the west side of Tacoma that dumps over into the docks area. I think there is another tunnel going under 405 in Bellevue, adjacent to the Cavilard research center. I-5 goes under the Convention Center downtown. The Arcology, and Aztechnology pyramid both have deep basements and parking lots.
If you're looking for a 'Subway Platform' set piece, they are available.
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Does anyone know there the Puyallup neighborhood of The Neon Killing is?
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Seattle Underground today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground). So, erm, yeah, as of 2012 there's a proto-Ork Underground. Mostly just missing the orks.
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Seattle Underground today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground). So, erm, yeah, as of 2012 there's a proto-Ork Underground. Mostly just missing the orks.
Yeah used to be the bottom street level of seattle back when it was first becoming a city, but it was eventually built on top of, and i'm pretty sure it doesn't run the whole underground of seattle, especially since seattle got bigger to swallow up all the other nearby cities/towns.
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Seattle Underground today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground). So, erm, yeah, as of 2012 there's a proto-Ork Underground. Mostly just missing the orks.
We're only a few years away. ;)