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Shadowrun Fifth Edition - 22 May 2013 :D
http://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-Fifth-Edition/dp/1936876515/ref=sr_1_15?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366771910&sr=1-15&keywords=shadowrun (http://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-Fifth-Edition/dp/1936876515/ref=sr_1_15?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366771910&sr=1-15&keywords=shadowrun)
Looks like quite a few SR5 books are in the pipeline:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_sabc?url=search-alias%3Daps&pageMinusResults=1&suo=1366771806389#/ref=sr_st?keywords=shadowrun&qid=1366771810&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ashadowrun&sort=daterank (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_sabc?url=search-alias%3Daps&pageMinusResults=1&suo=1366771806389#/ref=sr_st?keywords=shadowrun&qid=1366771810&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ashadowrun&sort=daterank)
So hopefully the pre-orders at the Battleshop will be going up soon.
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Shadowrun Fifth Edition - 22 May 2013 :D
http://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-Fifth-Edition/dp/1936876515/ref=sr_1_15?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366771910&sr=1-15&keywords=shadowrun (http://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-Fifth-Edition/dp/1936876515/ref=sr_1_15?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366771910&sr=1-15&keywords=shadowrun)
Looks like quite a few SR5 books are in the pipeline:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_sabc?url=search-alias%3Daps&pageMinusResults=1&suo=1366771806389#/ref=sr_st?keywords=shadowrun&qid=1366771810&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ashadowrun&sort=daterank (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_sabc?url=search-alias%3Daps&pageMinusResults=1&suo=1366771806389#/ref=sr_st?keywords=shadowrun&qid=1366771810&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ashadowrun&sort=daterank)
So hopefully the pre-orders at the Battleshop will be going up soon.
I wouldn't advise making use of the Amazon pre-order yet. The last pre-order I did with them, they at least had a cover image to show (that was the Magic Item Compendium for D&D 3.5).
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
(And no, I'm not certain what SR5's release date will be, I just know better than to ever trust Amazon for Shadowrun information :))
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
(And no, I'm not certain what SR5's release date will be, I just know better than to ever trust Amazon for Shadowrun information :) )
They always use the lowest bidding Deckers for Datasteals. ;D
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
:'( And there I was, hoping to have the PDF before the end of May.
I will be waiting for the SR5 LE bundle from the Battleshop anyway. So hopefully the pre-orders for that aren't too far away.
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
(And no, I'm not certain what SR5's release date will be, I just know better than to ever trust Amazon for Shadowrun information :) )
They always use the lowest bidding Deckers for Datasteals. ;D
Chumps. Sometimes you shouldn't skip on quality.
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My FLGS (Games & Stuff in Glen Burnie, MD) has been taking pre-orders for a few weeks now. They aren't promising a specific date yet beyond what's been publicly announced (at or just before Origins in June, subject to change). I'm down for two copies and a starter kit.
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
:'( And there I was, hoping to have the PDF before the end of May.
I will be waiting for the SR5 LE bundle from the Battleshop anyway. So hopefully the pre-orders for that aren't too far away.
I wouldn't wait on the LE....I would get a regular 5th Edition book to hold you over the year+ wait for the LE that I am expecting
based on the SR4A LE wait...
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I'll probably get the PDFs as soon as they're out, and grab hard copies down the road.
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
(And no, I'm not certain what SR5's release date will be, I just know better than to ever trust Amazon for Shadowrun information :) )
They always use the lowest bidding Deckers for Datasteals. ;D
Chumps. Sometimes you shouldn't skip on quality.
You get what you pay for...
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Don't trust Amazon. I don't believe Catalyst distributes directly through them, so they cull their release data from secondary sources, some of which are guesses and just made up.
Catalyst definately does not distribute directly to Amazon.
(And no, I'm not certain what SR5's release date will be, I just know better than to ever trust Amazon for Shadowrun information :))
Based on what Jason posted as his "gift" to Loren, all the chapters should be in layout by the end of the day. We're getting closer!
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Based on what Jason posted as his "gift" to Loren, all the chapters should be in layout by the end of the day. We're getting closer!
Poor layout gods! But...this will be awesome when they get it done!
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I'll probably get the PDFs as soon as they're out, and grab hard copies down the road.
Same here since the new edition won't really be playable for a few months (maybe a year depending on release schedule) until there are more sources out.
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I'll probably get the PDFs as soon as they're out, and grab hard copies down the road.
Same here since the new edition won't really be playable for a few months (maybe a year depending on release schedule) until there are more sources out.
The core book's looking pretty robust, to me, honestly. I plan on starting off a campaign as soon as my local gamers can get their paws on it. We might do some retroactive adjustments after the fact (to include more advanced/specific options from splatbooks), but, honestly, I think you'll find the core book is enough to at least get a game started.
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I'll probably get the PDFs as soon as they're out, and grab hard copies down the road.
Same here since the new edition won't really be playable for a few months (maybe a year depending on release schedule) until there are more sources out.
The core book's looking pretty robust, to me, honestly. I plan on starting off a campaign as soon as my local gamers can get their paws on it. We might do some retroactive adjustments after the fact (to include more advanced/specific options from splatbooks), but, honestly, I think you'll find the core book is enough to at least get a game started.
That's something that gets said about every game, and it doesn't work out that way. The more sources are available for a game, the more fun it is.
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Our gaming club is currently looking into whether we'd want to try to host official Shadowrun sessions. Unfortunately we got a board crisis right now, so it's a bit of an iffy subject, but I really hope we'll be able to set something up. And the Missions only start with Core so no problem there. Sure, the finer details aren't available but it's a very good start.
As for my own campaign, the lack of extra fun toys means I'm sticking to 4e and simply intend to steal the occasional 5e rule, such as dodging and Initiative.
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I'll probably get the PDFs as soon as they're out, and grab hard copies down the road.
Same here since the new edition won't really be playable for a few months (maybe a year depending on release schedule) until there are more sources out.
The core book's looking pretty robust, to me, honestly. I plan on starting off a campaign as soon as my local gamers can get their paws on it. We might do some retroactive adjustments after the fact (to include more advanced/specific options from splatbooks), but, honestly, I think you'll find the core book is enough to at least get a game started.
That's something that gets said about every game, and it doesn't work out that way. The more sources are available for a game, the more fun it is.
Well, that may be true once the edition is established, but I believe keeping things simple is best to people who are new to an edition/game until they learn the ropes. And if they put out a conversion guide from 4A to 5, then you can transfer over your material anyways.
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I'll probably get the PDFs as soon as they're out, and grab hard copies down the road.
Same here since the new edition won't really be playable for a few months (maybe a year depending on release schedule) until there are more sources out.
The core book's looking pretty robust, to me, honestly. I plan on starting off a campaign as soon as my local gamers can get their paws on it. We might do some retroactive adjustments after the fact (to include more advanced/specific options from splatbooks), but, honestly, I think you'll find the core book is enough to at least get a game started.
That's something that gets said about every game, and it doesn't work out that way. The more sources are available for a game, the more fun it is.
Well, that may be true once the edition is established, but I believe keeping things simple is best to people who are new to an edition/game until they learn the ropes. And if they put out a conversion guide from 4A to 5, then you can transfer over your material anyways.
Assuming the conversion is complete enough to convert gear and vehicles.
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That's something that gets said about every game, and it doesn't work out that way.
In your opinion.
The more sources are available for a game, the more fun it is.
Very much in your opinion.
The latter part, in particular, is something that's quite strongly a matter of personal taste. Some people really enjoy the simplicity, almost the purity, of running games without much but the core book (for all sorts of games, not just SR).
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Pretty much everything stated on these forums (or any forum) is an opinion.
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But you state them as fact. This is what a lot of us object to.
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Personally, my opinion is the game gets a LOT less fun the more books there are for it. The game and the players get more and more "fiddly" and it starts to become more and more about the gear and whacky new rules than it does about the, well, game. The roleplay and the characters.
I'm very much looking forward to Missions being "stripped bare" for a while, honestly.
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Personally, my opinion is the game gets a LOT less fun the more books there are for it. The game and the players get more and more "fiddly" and it starts to become more and more about the gear and whacky new rules than it does about the, well, game. The roleplay and the characters.
I'm very much looking forward to Missions being "stripped bare" for a while, honestly.
There are other games out there for those who think that the toys supposedly--though it is highly doubtful--"get in the way". The Unisystem games come to mind.
One of the best parts of this game IS the goodies.
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Why chase people away because they prefer to play with less rules? I like the goodies, but it's still Shadowrun if you run with Core rather than Extended Core, just like it's still Shadowrun if you add War, Black Book and Black Book '74 and start toting Battle Rifles and Sheriffs in Seattle. It's an entirely different flavour of playstyle, but it's still Shadowrun.
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We have and in theory use all the books... But how much of them do we use? Not much actually.
Arsenal - martial art rules and vehicle mods. Poison/drug rules. This is the book we use the most, but we don't really use the guns, armor, drones, new vehicles very much.
Street magic - initiation, ally spirits. As the gm, I use it extensively for bad guys material.
Unwired - only to make fake sins... And that's it.
Augmentation. - the guys don't use this at all. I have dabbled with the cyberware suites for npc enemies, that's it.
Runners companion - karma generation rules. That's it. We did dabble in the alt character types... But found them unbalanced so at the request of the players, have banned them for player use for now.
Could we live without the additional books? Sure. Would we miss them? Maybe a little, specially street magic and arsenal.
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But you state them as fact.
This is a bit of a stretch. I don't see A4BG saying: "...and that's a fact." Is some variation "In my opinion..." needed every time he posts something that's pretty obviously an opinion?
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So if you dont trust amazon, where can we pre-order the book then? IS it even a good idea to do so at the moment?
Also do we know if a Campaign/fluff book will come out at the same time as SR5 rules?
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Personally, my opinion is the game gets a LOT less fun the more books there are for it. The game and the players get more and more "fiddly" and it starts to become more and more about the gear and whacky new rules than it does about the, well, game. The roleplay and the characters.
I'm very much looking forward to Missions being "stripped bare" for a while, honestly.
There are other games out there for those who think that the toys supposedly--though it is highly doubtful--"get in the way". The Unisystem games come to mind.
For the record, the following reply is extremely sarcastic, and a little rude, but I feel ranty and need to say it. I have put it behind a Spoiler tag, and if the mods want to take it down or tell me to take it down, I won't object.
[spoiler]Or...and I know this is a weird concept...they could play Shadowrun the way they want to play it.
Now hear me out here before angry rabble show up at my door with pitchforks: I know that the right way to play the game is to use every rule in every published book exactly as written, but no OPTIONAL rules of course, and optimize every possible aspect of every character so that they are built correctly. I'm not arguing that your way of playing isn't the one and only true gospel of HOW TO PLAY SHADOWRUNtm.
Some people, however, do prefer to play without a whole bunch of incredibly important additional books, but these deviant scum still want to play Shadowrun without access to the full catalog of holy "toys". It is understandable that you might suggest another game system, like the heretical Unisystem, but I doubt that is going to satisfy these blasphemers. They are going to continue playing Shadowrun wrong, and while I certainly know that the fact that there are individuals playing the game differently from you (and daring to even ENJOY doing it that way!) is ruining the sanctity of your game and slowly destroying the whole system of Role Playing, there is nothing we can do to stop them. [/spoiler]
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So if you dont trust amazon, where can we pre-order the book then?
I would go with the pre-order option at the BattleShop when it goes live.
http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=28
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The mention of Unisystem was just an example of one where gear isn't a necessary part of character creation and advancement.
As to the rest, why the hell shouldn't someone actually defend using multiple source books? Especially when there's <censored> types who go around making wild claims that every new piece of gear "destroys all balance in all games" and tries to force people into the view that the "Core Book Only" is the only way to play?
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Playing defense isn't the same as playing offense though. There's nothing wrong with using multiple books. There's also nothing wrong with using Core alone. Still has plenty of goodies.
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The best defense is a good offense. :P
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The best defense is a good offense.
Especially when using 2nd edition wired reflexes rules.
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Any word on if Hero Lab is going to release a version for the new edition?
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Last they posted about it, they said they will support Shadowrun 5.
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But you state them as fact.
This is a bit of a stretch. I don't see A4BG saying: "...and that's a fact." Is some variation "In my opinion..." needed every time he posts something that's pretty obviously an opinion?
When he (and a lot of other people; he's not the only guilty party, just the one I responded to) stop stating their opinion as gospel and stops telling other people that they're wrong with his statement of his opinion, I'll back down. Until then, I don't think it's a stretch at all. YMMV, but he (and many others) do this a lot, in a lot of threads, and it irritates the hell out of me most of the time. Most of the time I keep quiet, but today I'm cranky.
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Truth be told, it feels really unnerving when someone puts down their opinion as the only way things can be and that is not the opinion you have. An opinion you can talk about, but when it's presented as if it were a fact, it feels rather unfriendly and is basically my cue to stop participating in the discussion, since I don't get the impression I'm seen as an equal but as inferior because my opinion's not 'correct'. He doesn't need to write it's his opinion, but merely stating "I think" is already a really big start.
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*hands Patrick a Snickers bar*
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Truth be told, it feels really unnerving when someone puts down their opinion as the only way things can be and that is not the opinion you have. An opinion you can talk about, but when it's presented as if it were a fact, it feels rather unfriendly and is basically my cue to stop participating in the discussion, since I don't get the impression I'm seen as an equal but as inferior because my opinion's not 'correct'. He doesn't need to write it's his opinion, but merely stating "I think" is already a really big start.
I'll admit I do that somethimes - usually because I think what I'm saying IS true, or at least that there is an actual truth of the matter, and if prompted I'll geberally have an argument to back it. That said, if you disagree with a presented-as-fact opinion, just start off a response with something along the lines of "I don't think that's true".
Honestly, I find "that's just your opinion" to be such an unproductive phrase - it says nothing about the validity of said opinion.
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It depends on the tone of the message, though. Your tone tends to not be that bad, it's not personal criticism.
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I'll be picking it up, but probably sticking with 4A for a while. I prefer the more fleshed-out setup of an edition that's been around for a bit, but given the trend in Matrix rules between editions, I'll be grabbing 5E and seeing what there is that I want to poach. Once the equivalent of Augmentation, Arsenal, Street Magic, Unwired and RC are out, it'll be time to jump. Not waiting for Rigger 5 though. ;D
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*hands Patrick a Snickers bar*
See what happens when someone eats all of his Twinkies?
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*hands Patrick a Snickers bar*
See what happens when someone eats all of his Twinkies?
Twinkies? WHERE!?!?!
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*hands Patrick a Snickers bar*
See what happens when someone eats all of his Twinkies?
Twinkies? WHERE!?!?!
Twinkies here!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/08/twinkies-are-coming-back-the-metropoulous-brothers-on-the-brand.html
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What is a valid opinion? One you agree with? Last I checked, someone is entitled to have the opinion that purple is a waste of a color without needing to justify it to anyone, and that doesn't make their opinion any more or less valid.
There is no arbiter of opinions, and if you place yourself in that made-up position anyway, in some attempt to make your own opinion "more valid"? Then you're a douchebag.
[Edit : Moderated to rhyme less with punt.]
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Looks like several people need a reminder about rule 1 (http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=12.msg87#msg87). That'll get sorted out.
Meanwhile, the thread's locked, it'll be re-opened when Warning(s) have been handed out.