[Lacynth40]

Right, looking through a stack of books and PDFs here, and trying to run some stuff involving the Tir, and I can't seem to find the book that has the new Tir regime explained in it. Am I going insane, because I swear I saw some mention of Surehand getting the boot, but not much about the next devil in line that replaced the old system. Someone care to point me towards the sourcebooks that explain what's going on behind the Double-Fence O' Death?

[Critias]

There isn't one.

System Failure had mention of the coup's effects in the Tir (and you're right, Surehand and most of the other old Princes got booted).  Most of the old guard are exiled and some are actively hunted, Larry Zincan (the ork) is the new High Prince, and the Tir's border paranoia and xenophobia has...softened, somewhat.  It's a kinder, gentler, less-awesome (IMO) Tir, in summary.  There aren't many details, though.

Sadly, none of it's all been spelled out in one book.  Uhm, yet.  I'm desperately trying to find the time to actually sit my ass down and write up a Land of Promise e-book proposal and send it in to the Powers That Be, though...and I like to tell myself it'll only be a matter of time before I'm able to scratch this itch (not only for all the other Tir fans out there, but for myself, a rather rabid one).

In the meantime, take solace in the new, now canon, Portland Paladins Urban Brawl team!  Something positive came from their nasty old anti-elven coup, in the end. 

[Lacynth40]

Buh... What am I supposed to do in the mean-time? Just make stuff up?! Heh hee heh...

[Shinobi Killfist]

Cover your ears and eyes and pretend it never happened.  That Tir Tairngire book from 1993 is still cannon if you don't see or hear any mention of the new stuff.  It was all a bad dream, Nigel Findley's take is still the reality. 

[Critias]

Buh... What am I supposed to do in the mean-time? Just make stuff up?! Heh hee heh...

Just be vague.  Is your game set in the Tir, or elsewhere?  If elsewhere, just play up the occasional Tir exile (lots of refugees, legal and otherwise, split during the regime change), bulk up the rosters of the Ancients and the Laesa syndicate, highlight their easier time with smuggling runs and that sort of thing...mention Larry Zincan's the new High Prince, and voila.  That's all there really is to say.

If your game is set IN the Tir?  Well, yeah, you're kind of out of luck.  Stick with the old Tir Tairngire sourcebook for now, and just call it a day.  Pretend none of this ever happened until we manage to get a book out the door that gives more details;  the old Tir book is awesome, anyways, so just revel in its glory instead of worrying about half-detailed coups and stuff.

[Lacynth40]

I can actually set the Tir stuff off for a LONG time, so the background fuzz will work quite well. And if the group gets uppity, I can let them try a run into the Tir. They'll have a harder time getting ahold of their usual contacts, since everything is still in a state of getting shaken up. This could actually work well in my favor... *begin evil laugh*

[Critias]

And remember that a political shake-up doesn't necessarily change a whole lot to the dude on the street.  Sure, the old Immortal Elf High Prince Muckety-Mucks have gotten the boot...but so what?  That doesn't mean pro-alven racists that have lived and bred and raised kids in the Tir for decades are going to suddenly be all nice to humans and orks and stuff, does it?  If anything, there's room for backlash.  The more racist of the "old school" Tir citizens are probably grouchier than ever about an ork being their High Prince, looking wistfully back at the "good old days" when elves ruled over elves, and blah blah blah...making them more likely to be dicks to some visiting human shadowrunner, in my opinion.

It sucks that the details aren't out and canon yet, but there's still plenty of room in Tir Tairngire's shadows for a GM that wants to have some fun there.  Hell, I've  been faking it (even just in my fanfics) since the changes happened six, seven, years ago real-time. 

[Longshot23]

Seems to me that there would be an element of desperation in the Tir racism vs. non-elves in the post-shakeup Land of Promise. I mean, all the Paladins, ex-Paladins, wannabe-Paladins and Great Hunt types aren't getting their blessings from on high anymore.

It's closer to a mirror of the Humanis brain-dead than it was.

[shrike]

*sigh*

[TheWanderingJewels]

Well since the state of the Tir is in a slow collapse in SR, it going to be interesting to see how ti all shakes out. The Pro-Elven racialist faction hooking up with some of the more conservative factions from the Japanese empire should yeild interesting results

[Angelone]

Tir Na Nog is in need of an update as well. Maybe do a two in one Tir book?

[Mirikon]

Those two areas are a bit large for one book. You could do them both as ebooks, since there seems to be a bias against setting books in dead tree format.

With Hestaby stepping down as a Prince, that's going to make for a major power vacuum.

[Critias]

There is a thing, and it is in the works.  I can't give many more details than that, or Bull will wad up NDAs and throw them at me really hard.  It is, sadly, a bit behind schedule because it involves adventures and not just a setting update...but it's being worked on.  Diligently.

[shrike]

SWEET!!!

[Patrick Goodman]

I can't give many more details than that, or Bull will wad up NDAs and throw them at me really hard.

Like he needs an excuse to do that....